Accessible applications

[David Hoff Jr]

Gparted was always accessible in Vinux. I believe it is also accessible
in Slint. But in Debian it is not. Did those who helped develop Vinux
and Slint make coding changes to Gparded to make it accessible, or is
there an accessible version available out there to use in Debian 10?

And, if coding changes were made, what tools were used to make the
changes?
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[Jude DaShiell]

parted is accessible.
On Mon, 15 Jul 2019, David Hoff Jr wrote:

> Date: Mon, 15 Jul 2019 13:53:39
> From: David Hoff Jr <dhof...@gmail.com>
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> Subject: VINUX-SUPPORT: Accessible applications

[Cindy Sue Causey]

And they're not totally based on each other, but they ARE intertwined
to some point because.... of a reason I've since forgotten.

BUT I do remember that I've had to install parted after the fact on my
Debian debootstrap copies. The partial reason is that something in
Gparted had to have parted installed to function.

I just peeked, and I think it's about creating the partition table,
something at the very most bottom basic level of setting up a
partition. Most of Gparted works well without parted installed,
otherwise.

You know, I"ve wondered about Gparted's accessibility for visual
impairments AND also just how does one manipulate through parted
without destroying a system. Parted is "frightening" for me because of
its power accomplished all through text. It would be so easy to blow
something apart by accidentally typing in the wrong partition
identifier.

My disability is cognitive-based. I have a hard time grasping all that
parted is doing, and I can visually see it. I consciously applaud
anyone with visual impairments that is able to successfully use it as
is.

Am always thinking about these things. Products have improved over
time, but there's still a very long way to go before it's truly an
equal playing field for ALL.

Cindy :)
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Cindy-Sue Causey
Talking Rock, Pickens County, Georgia, USA
* runs with birdseed *

[David Hoff Jr]

I have Debian 10.0 32 bit installed to a Acer netbook and Gparted is not
accessible in my case. I can tab and cursor freely within the
application, but nothing is spoken including the application menus.
However, if I press the Alt and spacebar which brings up a menu to
minimize, maximize etc, all these menu items are spoken with out delay.
I've tried tabbing out and back again without any change. It speaks
what I am doing but does not speak anything within Gparded.

I installed it from a net install iso which I downloaded about a week
ago.
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[Rob]

Better bring this up on the Orca list, see what they say. Also the debian accessibility list, maybe.

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[Cindy Sue Causey]

Are you trying to improve the accessibility yourself, or were you
thinking about doing something like approaching Samuel over there at
Debian?

What I was thinking is... If you were trying to share examples with
Samuel to help him shortcut the process, what about suggesting that
old copies of Vinux have an accessible Gparted?

Samuel could use that to see how it works when it works, maybe. I was
just on OSDisc the other day, and they still had a Vinux copy
available there, at least on that day. It's on my to-do list in the
form of in my shopping cart that still needs paid, along with about
four different older releases of Puppy Linux. *woof!* :)

Cindy :)
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[Jude DaShiell]

In parted, first thing to do once you start it with something like:
parted -a optimal /dev/sdb is to type unit command and if you have a
disk with more than a gig on it you want unit gib and hit enter.
Next type print and hit enter.
That command shows you what you have.
a command like rm 3 <enter> would remove the 3rd partition if it exists.
A command like:
mkpart primary 2050 -1
would make a primary partition from 2050 to the end of the drive space.
The quit command exits.
It's all command line in there and no simulate or dry-run command is
available.
Whatever you do, don't use the mklabel command in parted if you run help
mklabel in parted you'll find out why.
Sometimes it's necessary to use mklabel but that's usually for operating
system testers needing clear disk space in a hurry.

15 Jul 2019, Cindy Sue Causey wrote:

> Date: Mon, 15 Jul 2019 14:44:44
> From: Cindy Sue Causey <butterf...@gmail.com>
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> Subject: Re: VINUX-SUPPORT: Accessible applications
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[Didier Spaier]

Debian ships gparted 0.32 in Debian Buster according to this query:
https://packages.debian.org/search?keywords=gparted

To have gparted more accessible I think that you'd need version 1.0
instead, which is the one shipped in Slint64-14.2.1.2 since 19 June 2019.
If I am not mislead-ed this could be linked to the port to gtkmm3 but
am not sure about that.

Thus I am a bit puzzled to hear that gparted is accessible in Vinux.
It's very possible that I miss something, though.

Orca can't do anything, Samuel (in CC) can't either directly (I think)
but maybe he can contact the package maintainer to request an upgrade
that could be back-ported to Buster.

Best,

Didier

[David Hoff Jr]

I first of all was wondering what was involved in making an application
such as Gparded accessible. Then I was wondering if applications such as
Gparded are distro and version specific and not interchangeable.

I am not much of a GUI user but when it comes to Gparded I lean toward
the safety of the GUI version and was looking for it to be accessible in
Debian 10, just as it was in Vinux.
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[D.J.J. Ring, Jr.]

It is parted which is accessible as gparted is inaccessible.

Regards,

That's p a r t e d is accessible and g p a r t e d is inaccessible.

Regards,

David

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[David Hoff Jr]

Good clarification. Thanks.

Now, back to my original question. Vinux 3.2 had a version of Gparted
(GUI)which was accessible, as well as I believe versions 4 and 5. Did
the developers of Vinux do the needed coding to make Gparded accessible,
or is there a version out there somewhere which is available to other
distros? And, if the developers of Vinux did the coding work, what was
involved in doing so?
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[Jude DaShiell]

It's possible one or more versions of gparted were compiled with
libraries that make them inaccessible. This would need research to
discover. This could have been developer optional compile not
necessarily required but that's something else to research for each
version. If a developer uses a specific screen write function in a
specific library and that function does inaccessible screen writing, the
compile becomes mandatory for that version of gparted not optional.
Knowledge of which libraries have inaccessible screen write functions
could be compiled into accessibility guidelines for Linux requesting
developers interested in making accessible packages to avoid using
specific functions in libraries or avoid using those libraries.

On Mon, 15 Jul 2019, David Hoff Jr wrote:

> Date: Mon, 15 Jul 2019 17:30:49

> From: David Hoff Jr <dhof...@gmail.com>

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> Cc: Samuel Thibault <sthi...@debian.org>

> Subject: Re: VINUX-SUPPORT: Accessible applications
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