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Carl Robinson

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Nov 25, 2009, 7:38:41 PM11/25/09
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Here in an interesting document passed along by Martin Stuart-Fox who'd received it from a Vietnam Vet with whom he's kept in touch over the years.    

I wonder if anyone would venture a guess on what proportion of our own media colleagues are still alive.   That military stat of only one-third of vets as still alive is a bit of a shocker.    Still, we have lost a lot of friends too.   May they all rest in peace.

Best, Carl



Thought you would find this list interesting.. Long time ago, and far-far away..

 


Some interesting statistics from the Vietnam War.

 

 

From the Vietnam Veterans Association:

 

In case you Vietnam Veterans haven't been payig attention these past few decades after you returned from Vietnam , the clock has been ticking.

 

The following are some statistics that are at once depressing yet, in a larger sense, should give some a sense of pride.

"Of the 2,709,918 Americans who served in Vietnam ; less than 850,000 are

estimated to be alive today, with the youngest American Vietnam veteran's

age approximated to be 54 years old."

So, if you're alive and reading this, how does it feel to be among the

last 1/3rd of all the U.S. Vets who served in Vietnam ?   Don't know about

you, but feels a little strange considering this is the kind of information we are used to reading about WWII and Korean War vets.

So the last 14 years we have been dying at a faster rate then most.  Too fast, only a few will survive by 2015...if any.

Every day, 390 Veitnam Veterans die.  So in 2190 days from today you will be lucky to be alive.

These statistics were taken from a variety of sources to include: The VFW

Magazine, the Public Information Office, and the HQ CP Forward Observer -

1st Recon, April 12, 1997.

STATISTICS FOR IN-COUNTRY VIETNAM VETERANS:

A total of 9,087,000 military personnel served on active duty during the Vietnam Era  (August 5, 1964 - May 7, 1975).

A total of 8,744,000 GIs were on active duty during the war (Aug 5, 1964-March 28,1973).

A total of 2,709,918 Americans served in Vietnam , this number represents 9.7% of their generation.

A total of 3,403,100 (Including 514,330 offshore) personnel served in the broader Southeast Asia Theater ( Vietnam , Laos , Cambodia , flight crews based in  Thailand , and sailors in adjacent South China Sea waters).

A total of 2,594,000 personnel served within the borders of South Vietnam (Jan. 1,1965 - March 28, 1973). Another 50,000 men served in Vietnam between 1960 and 1964.

Of the 2.6 million, between 1M and 1.6 M (40-60%) either fought in

combat, or provided close support or were at least fairly regularly exposed

to enemy attack.

7,484 women (6,250 or 83.5% were nurses) served in Vietnam .

Peak troop strength in Vietnam : 543,482 (April 30, 1968).

CASUALTIES:

The first man to die in Vietnam was James Davis, in 1958. He was with the

509th Radio Research Station. Davis Station in Saigon was named for him.

Hostile deaths: 47,378

Non-hostile deaths: 10,800

Total: 58,202 (Includes men formerly classified as MIA and Mayaguez

casualties). Men who have subsequntly died of wounds account for the

changing total.

8 nurses died -- 1 was KIA..

61% of the men killed were 21 or younger..11,465 of those killed were younger than 20 years old.

Of those 47,378 hostile deaths in Vietnam :

29,869 were single

17,509 were married.

Average age: 23.1 years

Enlisted Personnel: 30,274.

Officers: 6,598 28.43

Warrant Officers: ,2,724

E1(Private): 12,520.34

11B (Infantry, Rifleman) MOS: 18,465 

Five men killed in Vietnam were only 16 years old.

The oldest man killed was 62 years old.

Highest State death rate: West Virginia - 84.1% (national average 58.9%

for every 100,000 males in 1970).

Wounded: 303,704

153,329 hospitalized

150,375 injured requiring no hospital care.

Severely disabled: 75,000,

23,204: 100% disabled;

5,283 lost or severely impared limbs;

1,081 sustained multiple amputations.

Amputation or crippling wounds to the lower extremities were 300% higher

than in WWII and 70% higher than Korea . (Expanded use of land mines)

Multiple amputations occurred at the rate of 18.4% compared to 5.7% in

WWII.

AT THE END OF THE WAR

58,338 - Missing in Action

POWs: 766  (114 died in captivity)

As of January 15, 2004, there are 1,875 Americans still unaccounted for

from the Vietnam War.

DRAFTEES VS.. VOLUNTEERS:

25% (648,500) of total force in country were draftees.

66% of U.S. armed forces members were drafted during WWII

Draftees accounted for 30% (17,725) of combat deaths in Vietnam .

Reservists: 5,977

National Guard: 6,140 served: 101 died.

Total draftees (1965 - 1973): 1,728,344.

Army Draft:  1,685,711

Marine Corps Draft: 42,633

Last man drafted: June 30, 1973.

RACE AND ETHNIC BACKGROUND:

88.4% of the men who actually served in Vietnam were Caucasian

10.6% (275,000) were black

1% belonged to other races.

 

Killed in Action

86% Caucations

12% (7,241) were black;

2% Hispanic

1% belonged to other races.

70% of enlisted men killed were of North-west European descent.

14.6% (1,530) of non-combat death were among blacks.

34% of blacks who enlisted, volunteered for the combat arms.

Overall blacks suffered 12% of the deaths in Vietnam at a time when the

percentage of blacks of military age was 13.5% of the total population.

Religion of Dead:  Protastant -- 64.4%; Catholic -- 28.9%; other/none -- 

 

SOCIO-ECONOMIC STATUS:

Vietnam veterans have a lower unemployment rate than the same non-vet age groups.

Vietnam veterans' personal income exceeds that of our non-veteran age

group by more than 18 percent.

76% of the men sent to Vietnam were from the working class

75% had family incomes above the poverty level

50% were from middle income backgrounds.

Some 23% of Vietnam vets had fathers with professional, managerial or

technical occupations.

 

EDUCATION

79% of the men who served HAD a High School education or higher.

63% of Korean War vets

45% of WWII vets had completed High School

DEATH BY REGION  

South -- 31%

West --29.9%

Midwest -- 28.4%

Northeast -- 23.5%.

DRUG USAGE & CRIME:

There is no difference in drug usage between Vietnam Veterans and

non-Vietnam Veterans of the same age group. (Source: Veterans

Administration Study, 1995/National Association of Chiefs of Police)

Vietnam Veterans are far less likely to be in prison - only one-half of one

percent of Vietnam Veterans have been jailed for crimes.

85% of Vietnam Veterans made successful transitions to civilian life.

82% of veterans who saw heavy combat strongly believe the war was lost

because of lack of political will.

75% of the public agrees it was a failure of political will, not of arms.

HONORABLE SERVICE:

97% of Vietnam-era veterans were honorably discharged.

91% of actual Vietnam War veterans

90% of those who saw combat say they were proud serve their country.

74% say they would serve again, even knowing the outcome.

87% of the public now holds Vietnam veterans in high esteem..

INTERESTING CENSUS STATISTICS

 

THOSE TO CLAIM TO HAVE "Been There": (Census Figures)

1,703,823 of those who served in Vietnam were still alive as of August,1995

9,492,958 Falsely claim to to have served Vietnam   (Census Stats., 2000)

1995 Federal Census

Vietnam Veteran population estimate is: 1,002,511. This is hard to

believe, losing nearly 711,000 between '95 and '00.

 

Vietnam Veterans are dying at a rate of 390 per day.

 

During the most recent Federal Census (yr. 2000), the number of Americans falsely claiming to have served in-country is: 13,853,227. (This means that FOUR OUT OF FIVE WHO CLAIM TO BE Vietnan vets are not.)

The Department of Defense Vietnam War Service Index officially provided by The War Library originally reported that 2,709,918 U.S. military personnel as having served in-country (Corrections and confirmations to this erred index resulted in the addition of 358 U.S. military personnel confirmed to have served in Vietnam but not originally listed by the Department of Defense.  All names are currently on file and accessible day and night.)

Isolated atrocities committed by American Soldiers produced torrents of

outrage from anti-war critics and the news media while Communist

atrocities were so common that they received hardly any media mention at all. The  United States sought to minimize and prevent attacks on civilians while  North Vietnam made attacks on civilians a centerpiece of its strategy.

Americans who deliberately killed civilians received prison sentences

while Communists who did so received commendations.

From 1957 to 1973, the National Liberation Front assassinated 36,725

Vietnamese and abducted another 58,499. The death squads focused on

leaders at the villige level and on anyone who improved the lives of the peasants such as medical personnel, social workers, and school teachers.

( Nixon Presidential Papers)

 


 


Wayne Corey

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Nov 25, 2009, 8:09:45 PM11/25/09
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Carl:  The stats are interesting as well as surprising.  As a Vietnam vet myself, I can't believe so many others have already died.  Of course, we're getting on in years.  But we're not THAT old yet.
 
Whatever the statistics, I endorse your comment that may all Indochina colleagues, who have died, rest in peace.  I also wish that for all of the allied veterans who have died since they served honorably in Indochina.
 
Meanwhile, I hope all American members of the VOH group have a Happy Thanksgiving on Thursday.
 
Wayne Corey

Kenneth Englade

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Nov 25, 2009, 8:59:10 PM11/25/09
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Carl

If my memory serves, there were eight UPI staffers in Saigon when the city fell. Three of us are still alive, so that's pretty close to your one-third.

Englade

don kirk

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Nov 25, 2009, 9:03:20 PM11/25/09
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Carl (and Martin),
Thanks for those fascinating -- and saddening -- stats. Happy Thanksgiving.
Don


From: Carl Robinson <robinso...@gmail.com>
To: Vietnam Old Hacks <vietnam-...@googlegroups.com>
Sent: Wed, November 25, 2009 7:38:41 PM
Subject: Vietnam Statistics

Keith Kay

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Nov 25, 2009, 11:17:15 PM11/25/09
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I hate to fuck with statistics but there was one Keith Kay with CBS News and that makes it 100% since he is still mostly alive.
Cheers,

Keith Kay



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