Production Fly Tying Book came

[chuckal...@hughes.net]

Folks; i received my copy of Production Tying by AK Best today. Seems to be an awesome book. Can't wait to read it. The forward tells about how AK ties to sell over 3,000 DOZEN flies per YEAR. I can't even imagine that, Chuck

 

 

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[Jimmy D. Moore]

Wow, that's 36,000 flies a year! He tie them all himself?  If so, at my tying average speed of 2 minutes per fly, that translates into 2 X 36,000 = 72,000 minutes % 60 minutes / hr = 1,200 hours at the bench.  1,200 % 24 (hours in a day) = 50 days, if I tied 24 hours a day.  Now, considering that I "run out of gas" after about 4 hours at the bench, this would mean that it'd take me 1,200 hours % 4 hours = 300 days to tie the 36,000.   DUH!  Ain't gonna happen !! :-P :-( :-D

JIMMY D

[Michael Bliss]

The average work year for a person is 2080 hours.  So he is a part time worker ;>)

Mike

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[Mark Romero]

funny how production tyers always wanna boast bout how many flies they tye a year...........wass up with that??????? does anybody really care...............? lmao................thass like some guy on an assembly line talkin' **** bout how many tires he makes a year...............lmao.............or cookies..........or stuffed animals.................who gives a flyin' crap? lmao..........
 

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Date: Sat, 14 Nov 2009 09:29:28 -1000
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[Reuven Segal]

Hoy Matk:

Don't get jealous that he is an expert. Anyone who ties that many flies
must be good....or extremely bored, or living in Nigeria.
How about we get one of those Nigerians who tie 10,000 flies a year to
writ a book.......or to atleast offer to share with us a US$72 billion
inheritance from his great- uncle if we just deposit US$2000 for the
paperwork to go through.

Mark Romero wrote:
> funny how production tyers always wanna boast bout how many flies they
> tye a year...........wass up with that??????? does anybody really
> care...............? lmao................thass like some guy on an
> assembly line talkin' **** bout how many tires he makes a
> year...............lmao.............or cookies..........or stuffed
> animals.................who gives a flyin' crap? lmao..........
>

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> Date: Sat, 14 Nov 2009 09:29:28 -1000
> Subject: [VFB] Re: Production Fly Tying Book came
> From: flyfi...@gmail.com
> To: vfb-...@googlegroups.com
>
> The average work year for a person is 2080 hours. So he is a part
> time worker ;>)
>
> Mike
>
> On Sat, Nov 14, 2009 at 7:00 AM, Jimmy D. Moore <ray...@earthlink.net
> <mailto:ray...@earthlink.net>> wrote:
>
> Wow, that's 36,000 flies a year! He tie them all himself? If so,
> at my tying average speed of 2 minutes per fly, that translates
> into 2 X 36,000 = 72,000 minutes % 60 minutes / hr = 1,200 hours
> at the bench. 1,200 % 24 (hours in a day) = 50 days, if I tied 24
> hours a day. Now, considering that I "run out of gas" after about
> 4 hours at the bench, this would mean that it'd take me 1,200
> hours % 4 hours = 300 days to tie the 36,000. DUH! Ain't gonna
> happen !! :-P :-( :-D
>
> JIMMY D
>

[Mark Romero]

save me somma what you drinkin'.....
 
> Date: Sun, 15 Nov 2009 10:09:14 +1100
> From: reuven...@iprimus.com.au
> To: vfb-...@googlegroups.com

[Don Ordes]

Jimmy,

I tied commercially - in the loooong ago past- for a short time. Very Major YUK! 

 

For a professional tier, tying time is only a portion of the time invested.  It depends on how efficient you are, how well planned your set-up time is, your tying facilities, etc.  If you can be efficient in all these things, the %age of overhead services will be smaller.  There's accounting, book-keeping, account payable, accounts receeivable, bill collecting, sales, purchasing & problems with supplies/suppliers, materials handling and control, shipping, etc.  One thing commercial tiers had was a huge box of waste necks with unuseable feathers. 

 

Take all the hats any business owner wears and the professional tier has to wear them at some time.  I estimated with all of the time invested besides tying, the actual realistic production time (tying) was about 50% getting started, and once the bugs got worked out, about 70%.  If you don't pay attention to the support functions, it will fail.  If you pay for the services, it comes right off the top.

 

Competition from overseas tying has make commercial tying here either starvation wages or hobby only.

So factor these things in with your calculations.

 

DonO

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[chuckal...@hughes.net]

I couldn't believe it either.  I couldn't wrap that many hook in thread per year, much less tie that many flies LOL.. I have several of his DVD's, but I wish I had one where he was tying at "full speed". His hands would be a blur LOL, Chuck

 

 

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[chuckal...@hughes.net]

Well, when the book was written, it said that he was putting THREE daughters through college by tying that many flies, so i guess it mattered to them LOL, Chuck

 

 

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[Jeff Frye]

He must have sold a boatload of books because that tying revenue wouldn't go very far. Even if he got paid a buck a fly, there would be loads of overhead.

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[Anthony Spezio]

Don, You hit the nail on the head, I tied for shops and resorts for four years, It can be a hassle. You have to be a person willing to spend the time at the vise and be able to live with it. Personally I burned out to the point that I really don't do a lot of tying now. My best time was a dozen wollybuggers in 45 minuets if I had everything set up beforehand. Tony --- On Sat, 11/14/09, Don Ordes <f...@tribcsp.com> wrote:

[Mark Romero]

Tony, and Don.....both you guys got to much "personality" to be commercial tyers. With very few exceptions, (A.K. being one), i've found that most all the commercial tyers i've met.....just somewho ended up the fly tyin' assembly line......but it may have been in any "factory" where they ended up. They just got those kinna personalities, where they can do the same thing over and over and over and over...........you get the picture. Frickin' BBBOOORRRIIINNNGGG!!!!!!! Some people can hack it......and seems most of them also know how to live on nothin'..................cause that's what a commercial fly tyers makes, NOTHIN"!
i did a little bit of it, and at $9 a dozen, (which is pretty much the standard rate payed), you don't make SQUAT! Nothin' wrong with side income................but you aint gonna do nothin' but spend it right back in the fly shop, LMAO!
 

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Date: Sun, 15 Nov 2009 04:45:53 -0800
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[Mark Romero]

lmao..... "just somewho ended up the fly tyin'=just somehow ended up ON the fly tyin'..........
sorry bout that.....been up all night tyin' again.........
 

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