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Col Madan Sharma (Veteran)
Jan 12, 2012, 7:58:59 PM1/12/12
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Dear All, I had it checked up with Maj Navdeep who is quoted to have contested the case in courts on exemption of toll tax. He has intimated that the said letter is fake. The exemption is available only to the serving Defence pers Col Madan Sharma
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Omprakash Saxena <opsa...@gmail.com> Jan 12 11:51AM +0530
*Dear Sir,*
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*Could someone take up a case regarding restoration of exemption of charges
for Demand Draft by the banks especially SBI? *
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*Earlier the BANKS never used to charge for DD from the ESM and the serving
defence personnels.*
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Regards,
OP Saxena
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avtar singh <avta...@hotmail.com> Jan 12 02:03PM +0530
Dear All,
It is high time that ESM stop childish act
Refusing to vote is not the right approach to the problem
Regards
Avtar Singh
Lt Cdr
12-12-2012
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Date: Wed, 11 Jan 2012 20:35:05 +0000
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Not to vote any body in Pb: ESM decide [2 Updates]
Digest for vetera...@googlegroups.com - 2 Messages in 1 Topic [4 Updates]
Exempting armed forces from toll tax [1 Update]
Not to vote any body in Pb: ESM decide
gyan misra <misr...@gmail.com> Jan 10 06:44PM -0800
By not voting you are helping indirectly the parties against whom you
have grievances. It is very common for the political parties to make
tall promises before elections and forget them thereafter. It is
strange that you are ready to vote for a party, which promises to work
for welfare of ESM , being aware of their past record..I think it will
be better to support a promising independent candidate, with a clear
understanding of what you expect from him in return for your support.
In the coalition era prevalent today, independents and small parties
can have a say in policy matters and cannot be ignored. Here in
Uttarakhand Lt Gen T P S Rawat, after hobnobbing with both, the
Congress and the BJP, has formed Uttarakhand Raksha Morcha, which is
fielding candidates for 60 out of 70 seats. They include many retirees
from defence forces and civil services.Even if they get a few seats,
they will be in a position to put up the views of service class of
people effectively to whichever party forms the govt.
G Misra
anand ranjit <anand...@yahoo.com> Jan 11 11:01PM +0530
Dear Sir,
Good Day!
It is not advisable to boycott elections for ESM in Punjab Assembly
Elections. The ESM Veterans can speak up their grievances to captain Amrinder
Singh and decide on voting the Congress party.
otherwise , it shall be just wastage of their right to Vote. It is not
going to help in any way by not exercising your right to vote.Please take you
decision back and contact captain Amrinder Singh on the said grievances.
And advise the ESM to vote for Congress and remove SAD/BJP Govt. from
the scene. Please do not waste your vote.
Thanks
With Best regards
(R.S.Anand)
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From: ss sohi <sadh...@gmail.com>
To: vinod jaiswal <vjais...@yahoo.co.in>
Sent: Sunday, 8 January 2012 6:29 PM
Subject: Re: Not to vote any body in Pb: ESM decide
Sir, thanx, we are obliged. Rgds. Col Sohi.9815107744.
On Sun, Jan 8, 2012 at 5:56 PM, vinod jaiswal <vjais...@yahoo.co.in> wrote:
Dear Sir,
>>PRESS RELEASE
>>Ex-Servicemen decided
Not to vote any body
>>Dear Sir/
Veterans,
>>1. An ESM meeting was held at Jallandhar (Rama Mandi) on 7 Jan 12, which was
attended by (16 NGOs/ ESM Organisations from
all over Pb to decide to whom to vote to. It was Org by Sqn Ldr YS Nijjar to foster overall unity &
solidarity amongst various ESM outfits with a common purpose. Because, the decision
makers understand the language of
Vote bank only. We (about 8 lakh ESM voters) are the biggest sufferer
& neglected community due to corruption & misgovernance. The main
issues & aspects which were discussed at length were as under:-
>>2. SAD/BJP
Govt in Pb.
>>a. Gun Licenses to ESM are stopped, which use to help ESM job for security
Guards. Shortage of working staff & Sainik Sadan took last priority in Pb,
when Centre is paying 50% of its cost.
>>b. 67000 tubewell connections released recently, have gone to SAD suppoters
basically. ESM quota is ignored. ESM/ Widows property is not safe from
encroachers/ grabbers.
>>c. War Widows (138 approx) are still waiting for their 10 Acres promissed Land/
cash in lieu for each Widow. ESM/ Widow’s welfare activities/ Funds &
scheme are on the decrease.
>>d. ESM Reserve Job quota 13% is fulfilled with less than 1.5% ESM, only.
>>e. CSD Canteen taxes in Pb are the highest, ie Rum Rs 10-12/- & Whiskey Rs
45-50/- is costing more than other states around. Our appeals have made no
effect on Govt.
>>f. Ration depots are released secretly w/o publicity to Govt’s own men and ESM
are ignored. Similarly, jungle Raj cases with ESM/ Families by ruling elements are
on the increase a n d so on.
>>3. Cong
Govt & their Dept of ESM Welfare (DOEW).
>>a. Promised & accepted, OROP issue hanging on, inspite of Court’s Orders.
Most grievances & demands are not being redressed to. DOEW is occupied by
Civilians & bureaucrats, who are arrogant, unapproachable & anti ESM
community by nature & design.
>>b. Unreasonable gaps & anomalies in the Pensions of Naik to Sub Major, in Honorary
Ranks, Capt/ Majors and Maj Generals, are being neglected, even after regular
appeals.
>>c. MOD/ DOEW opposes all Court cases blindly, which are favouring ESM
community.
>>d. DOEW/
MOD has taken over all ESM Welfare Funds & CSD Canteen services control
from the Army HQ and also stopped Sale of Cars. MOD refuses most legitimate
dues/ Justice to ESM community even in small/ petty cases, like double family
Pension to deserving Widows.
>>e. Family Pension of Widows & War widows is increased but to the bottom
line of post 1/1/06 retirees. Rank & service length is ignored blindly
& with anomalies.
>>f. Welfare grants/ Fin Asst at State & Centre level for ESM/ Widows are
drying up gradually a n d so on...
>>4. It is
painfully experienced that Cong Govt & its ministers have been assuring for
OROP & other ESM Welfare measures by proper redressal system, but very
little have been done practically. Same way other Political parties also assure
& say a lot in their manifestoes, but do very little in Parliament or
States, when time comes. Therefore, after prolonged & divergent views
coming up from various Heads of Districts & NGO, most ESM were of the
opinion to support candidates as under:-
>>a. Decision: After weighing
pros & cons of all political parties & Govt, it was unanimously decided by the Veterans Not to vote to any
body, to express their anguish & desperation over State &
Centre Govts attitudes.
>>5. The main
participants/ Heads of ESM NGOs in meeting were Brig HS Toor, Col Hk Singh
& Maj SS Aulakh (Ludhiana) Col KS Grewal (Patiala), Lt Col SS Sohi
(Mohali), Capt BS Bhatti (Bathinda), Hav DC Kataria (Phillour) Wrt Offr SS
Saini (Adampur) N/Sub ML Mandia (Faridkot) Hav Bhola Singh (Maur mandi) Hav
Bhagat Singh (Fazilka) Sub Balbir Singh (Garhshanker) Hav Prem Singh (Ferozpur)
Hav Gian Singh (Tarn Taran) Sub Major Anup Singh (Hoshiarpur) Sub Darshan Singh,
Sub Maj MS Padda Sgt Gobind Singh (Jallandhar) and many more.
>>Released by:Lt Col SS
Sohi. 9815107744. Dt 07 Jan 12.
>>President
ESM Grievances Cell (Regd) Mohali.
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Rakesh Prasad Chaturvedi <rpchat...@gmail.com> Jan 11 09:39AM +0530
The extraordinary judgemental interest in the media against the Chief's DOB
arouses suspicion.
Your query is understandable consequence of the Media Blitz, obviously
motivated.
Having said that, let me clarify that the Chief would have been eligible
for entry to NDA even with 1951, the correct DOB. That time the age limit
was 14.5- 16 or 15-16.5 or something similar. I am a couple of courses
senior to Gen VK Singh, and had joined NDA with 15 yrs 4 months age. There
were some younger, with just 15 and 3 months.
The entry gained to NDA is not based on just your say so on the form. That
just remains 'provisional' till a PROOF of DOB is submitted, ie the School
Leaving Certificate in this case. That having been done, the AGs branch
seems to have corrected the records, while the MS branch has not.
The Book Keeping is done by AGs branch,which everyone else, including MS
branch needs to synchronize with. Apparently in this case, like some
others, this has not been done.
The matter really is simple. Its a reconciliation, with the MS requiring to
correct records. However, for reasons not known in public domain,but
speculated, the establishment- politico bureaucratic combine, is keen to
push the unauthentic date to correct the verified correct one.
This is not a simple case. Gen VK Singh is a victim, not a villain as is
being made out.
With Warm Regards,
Col RP Chaturvedi,
A-35, Sector 36,
Noida 201303.
Mob: +919891279035
E Mail ID: rpchat...@gmail.com
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Nescit Cedere
gyan misra <misr...@gmail.com> Jan 11 06:54AM -0800
A candidate for entry to the NDA had to be between 15 and 17.5 years
as on 1 Jan or 1 Jul for the term commencing in that particular month.
Maj G N Misra (Retd)
On Jan 11, 9:09 am, Rakesh Prasad Chaturvedi <rpchaturv...@gmail.com>
wrote:
Brig S S Jaswal <jasw...@yahoo.co.in> Jan 11 08:26PM +0530
VKS & self joined the NDA together in July`66, The age at entry at that time was 15 to 171/2 & min edn 10th pass. Even if result was awaited for 10th class one could still join provisionally & later produce the 10th pass certificate from the school. So he was very much within age limits if dob is 10 May`51. I recall a cadet of my school had to leave NDA after Ist term because he failed in 10th class. He joined later on passing Senior Cambridge. What is baffling is why he did not fill the NDA exam form himself as most of us did before joining & going through a number of stages before final selection to the NDA. What happened later has been `thrashed` threadbare & beautifully given in Lt Gen Vijay Oberoi`s article in the Tribune on 10 Jan`12. He should `stick to his guns` or else resign imdt & go to Court. Let the Govt `fight` over the next Chief - `Dood Ka Dood aur Pani Ka Pani Patta chal jayega` !!!
Brig SS Jaswal, Veteran Madras Sapper.
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DR BRIGADIER V RAMANAN <rhinor...@gmail.com> Jan 11 09:30PM +0530
DEAR ACHUTAN
the reviews have clearly clarified that the gen officer was a son of an
army officer and was born at a military hospital and certificates given by
m h . the a g 's records should have more weightage as against M S
. eariler more than 8 years back the M S has got a clarification from the
chief who was then a maj gen .
the government is trying . to fix him for no fault of his.
i feel the government will fall on account of this case.
blessings
dr brigadier v ramanan
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Exempting armed forces from toll tax
"Col Madan Sharma (Veteran)" <mada...@gmail.com> Jan 11 06:58AM +0530
My Dear Veteran Friends, You must Print this and keep it in your car.MM
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*I'm also attaching the NHAI letter clarifying the exemption for all
serving service personnel, **retired service personnel (yes!) and
dependents (yes! yes!!). **Keeping a copy in your car's glove compartment
should be handy.*****
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*SC upholds 105-year law exempting armed forces from toll*****
Upholding provisions of the 105-year old Indian Tolls Act, the Supreme
Court on Friday dismissed a special leave petition (SLP) seeking withdrawal
of concessions provided to Armed Forces personnel under the Act.
A Division Bench comprising Mr Justice Ashok Bhan and Mr Justice Markandey
Kadju declined to interfere in the directions issued by the Punjab and
Haryana High Court, which had dismissed a petition filed by a Chandigarh
resident, Sanjeev, in May. Sanjeev had challenged the provisions of the Act
on the ground that it was discriminatory, unconstitutional and against the
spirit of Article 14 of the Constitution of India which provided for
equality before law. He had also contended that other central government
employees and members of the para military forces are not entitled to such
concessions.
The HC Division Bench, comprising Mr Justice H S Bedi and Mr Justice Ranjit
Singh, however, ruled to the contrary and had dismissed the petitioner’s
contentions. Thereafter, he had filed a SLP in the apex court against the
HC order.
Section 3(a) of the Indian Tolls (Army & Air Force) Act, 1901, provides for
toll tax exemption on all public or private roads and bridges in India to
officers and men of the regular forces whether they are on duty or not.
Further civil vehicles and animals moving under military orders, are also
exempted from payment of toll tax. The Act also has an overriding clause,
which causes it to override all other Acts or directions by any legislature
or central or state government in India.
The controversy regarding applicability of the Act began a few years ago,
when private toll operators under the Build-Operate- Transfer (BOT) system
on various roads and bridges had started refusing toll exemption to defence
personnel and in certain cases even to defence vehicles.
The issue had then been settled after Chandigarh-based lawyer, Capt Navdeep
Singh, took up the matter with the Central Government in 2004 and
instructions were issued by government thereafter that the Act was very
much applicable to toll roads and bridges being operated under the BOT
schemes or otherwise. The instructions also clarified that the Act was
applicable even to private vehicles belonging to personnel of the regular
forces.
While the problem of illegal charging of toll tax has more or less been
settled with the instructions being circulated all over, sporadic incidents
of harassment of defence personnel continue to be reported mainly from the
Delhi-Noida- Delhi Flyway and from some areas of Himachal Pradesh.
Madan Sharma
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NHAI_LETTER.pdf<http://xa.yimg.com/kq/groups/10101883/701426069/name/NHAI_LETTER.pdf>
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*Lt Col Madan Sharma *
*Veteran Indian Infanteer
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vjs gill <vjs...@gmail.com> Jan 12 07:35PM +0530
Dear Col Sharma,
Veterans I-cards is not honoured by NHAI Toll Barriers?
Is there a ruling after 2006 on this matter
can any one clarify please
Col Vjs gill
Ajit Rana <gre...@gmail.com> Jan 12 10:17PM +0530
Dear All Veterans
As per the rule position on Tolls, only serving armed forces personnel are
exempted payment of Toll at NHAI Tolls. All ex-servicemen/veterans are not
exempted. The NHAI letter circulating on internet signed by one Puri is
fake and not authenticated by NHAI.
This is authenticated information right from NHAI office.
with regards
Col A S Rana(Veteran)
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Veterans India <vetera...@gmail.com> Jan 12 05:17AM -0800
Dear Sirs,
1. Can any body venture to enlighten and educate what is likely the
shape of things to come vis-a-vis, 17 Gorkhas Regiments serving in the
Indian Army, if debarred by the New Nepal Dispensation. Did Meneckshaw
belonged to Gorkha Regiment!
2. Great Britain has literally dumped them-differential pensions, no
permanent citizenship, etc, after squeezing them for life. UK is no
more in the business of ground military engagements. Europe is
steadily becoming a Union of treacherous trade of the 16/17/18th
Centuries of trade and gun diplomacy because they cannot afford guns
and boats and with dwindling children being born to couples where the
parents are loathed to send their wards to get killed or wounded for
some body else's wars and their Political Leaders of democracy in
being in danger. Money, technology and white skin will do for them.
3. Even the Indian Army took 7/8 years to give ECHS cover to Gorkha
Soldiers since the inception of ECHS for the Veterans in 2004. It is
usual for the MOD to split hair and allow the things to drift when the
need is not acute. They are not known to think long term. They closed
the Air Base in Tajikistan and now are trying to revive, if at all
they succeed..
4. MOD can still mend its fences. I believe there are 6 million
Nepalese Indians with dual citizenship and many come as Watchmen to
eke out their living. Not all are bad. May be our treatment lacks some
thing.
May be GOI can solve in way it is solving NRIs problems with
attractive foreign countries and proper protocols with Nepal. USA
today grants Green Card the aspirants to the aspirants who are
selected. And citizenship if not killed in war. Plus there are many
more incentives. Another likely scenario which may come that Europe to
may give permanent residency or citizenship to Indians to join their
Armies in the not distant future.
Sadly, MOD treatment of its own serving and Veterans to say the least
is degrading. GOI must be aware that not many parents are willing to
send their Child of the 1/2 Family they have were the Bureaucracy and
the Political Leadership are not even willing to talk to then even at
their annual service memorial functions. Even our very own IDSA only
sit in ivory towers and suppress gag at every opportunity and place,
the Uniform and the Veterans do not even count.
The shortage of officers in the Armed Forces is not due other reasons
that perhaps are alluded to above.
5. Where do we go!
With best regards,
Commander Prem P Batra ( Veteran)
Achuthan <ar.ac...@gmail.com> Jan 11 10:09PM -0800
Dear Veterans,
While thanking Col Madan Sharma for bringing out this NHAI letter, I
would like to caution all that let we should not be so euphoric on it.
Please check out the blogs of Maj. Navdeep Singh at the link below:
http://www.indianmilitary.info/search/label/toll%20tax
I have been getting this privilege on my road travels in the northern
part of Kerala, but I have seen many veterans express their anguish at
not getting it. If the legal luminary Maj. Navdeep Singh can be taken
as a reasonably good authority on the subject, what I am getting here
is probably due to the ignorance of the toll gate attendees....not a
privilege in its true sense. So I am not going to complain next time
when they stop me and ask me to pay up.
Regards
Achuthan
Sgt (retd)
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Dear All Veterans
As per the rule position on Tolls, only serving armed forces personnel are exempted payment of Toll at NHAI Tolls. All ex-servicemen/veterans are not exempted. The NHAI letter circulating on internet signed by one Puri is fake and not authenticated by NHAI.
This is authenticated information right from NHAI office.
with regards
Col A S Rana(Veteran)
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