Animal Rights vs Animal Welfare

[Jacob Edward]

I've been looking around for an old debate I heard a while back on go vegan radio, I'm not sure of the persons name but he was arguing for the effectiveness of targeting eggs, something about the pennies of difference per egg has this quantified effect and blablabla... If I ever find that debate again I will post the link...

This debate is by Gary and Wayne, I believe Wayne defends celebrities who say backyard eggs are ok (unnecessary, out of alignment) and he goes after the label Vegan because theres a consumerist element (necessary, in alignment)...

Part 1

Part 2

The categories seem to be

Welfarist

New Welfarist (Steps to Abolition)

Abolitionist (100% Vegan Advocacy)

Undecided

HSUS, PETA, MfA, etc are all Welfarist or New Welfarist btw
This is an old screenshot, the link as of today still names these guys as endorsers

This is the other forum post the admins mangled without my permission