Keep it simple!

[Samba (das) (Mayapur Masterplan)]

The thing that inspired me to try to take up the varnasrama mission was
Srila Prabhupadas instructions on the matter. When I read those instructions
I dont find any contradictions, at least in spirit.

We may engage in so much conjecture, but I think it would beneficial if we
simply concentrated on the instructions that Srila Prabhupada has given and
see how we can implement them 'as they are'.

As Srila Bhaktivinoda said: "Forget the past it sleeps, nor the future dream
at all, live in times that are with you and progress you shall call". Only
the acaryas can see the future with any clarity.

How much can *we* really project into the future? Prabhupada said that this
civilization would collapse within 50 years, That leaves us with about 13
years *at best*. Do we have faith in his words or not? The world situation
looks more and more like it is going to prove him right. But if it collapses
or not, attempting to move towards goodness is a good aspiration because it
will bring us closer to spiritual life. That was his mission, to bring
everyone closer to Krishna.

Whether we succeed or fail is of no importance. Simply having faith in Srila
Prabhupadas instructions and attempting to fulfill them will assure us of
advancement in Krishna Consciousness. What else is this all about?

We may be able to post statements from Srila Prabhupada that appear
contradictory, but both must be correct. Our task then would be to reconcile
those statements according to particular time place and circumstance. Rather
than spend all our time trying to imagine what might happen before doing
anything, apply the instructions with intelligence according to what Krishna
gives at any particular moment and pray to Him to reconcile any fault.

Reorganisation would be very good. Dhanesvara Prabhu when can that be
organised? Let those who want to get into far future conjecture go ahead on
another channel (we can all then benefit from the conclusions without having
to wade through the debate).

Your servant
Samba das

[Dhanesvara Das]

This is what I am trying to set up the ning thing for. Originally I
set up this forum because the Global Varnashrama Forum on pamho was so
lifeless. But this discussion being dominated by one strong voice does
not have the mood of cooperative learning that I had hoped to create.
Several devotees have written to me that they lose their enthusiasm
having to "wade through all the conjecture". This forum can go on and
everyone who wants can debate endlessly to their heart's content, but
we will have another one for some constructive work. Please give me a
few more days to organize that.

Dhanesvara Das

On Oct 12, 6:21 am, "Samba (das) (Mayapur Masterplan)"

[atmavan dasa]

very nice. exactly what we need.

if it is not done already, perhaps one could categorize srila prabhupadas
instructions on different matters concerning varnashram there, so it is easy
for everyone to get a quick understanding. i would be happy to help with
that.

ys atmavan dasa

[niscala dasi]

yes, it would be best if there is practical action, not just theory.
Most of SP's instructions on VA are not contradictory- ISKCON should
take it up, as much as possible, grow everything we need, live simply,
get training for the varnas. Thats enough to get started.

On Oct 12, 1:21 pm, "Samba (das) (Mayapur Masterplan)"