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by Thomas Dalton
Mid-summer, Warsaw. Partly sunny, mild—a nice day to visit a death
camp. I had just finished with an academic conference in the suburbs
of Warsaw, and had one free day (a Tuesday) before moving on to my
next European engagement. This was very fortunate, as I knew that the
Treblinka concentration camp was only some 100 km away, and I was very
much hoping for a chance to see it in person. My local Polish contacts
were supportive, if slightly puzzled why an American professor of
humanities would bother visiting a place “with nothing there to see.”
But I insisted, and so they complied. A Polish colleague, Lech, agreed
to travel with me. He had no car, so we booked a taxi—reasonably
priced, considering the distance—and by 9:30 am we were on our way to
Treblinka.
We would not be arriving as mere tourists. Another colleague
previously contacted the camp and spoke with museum director Edward
Kopowka. He agreed to meet with us, show us the small museum, and then
walk the camp grounds with us for two full hours. Good luck for us,
though perhaps not for him.
We made good time, arriving in Malkinia before 10:30 am, and only some
10 km from the camp. But then a problem: the bridge over the Bug River
was out of service. We would have to go down to the next crossing at
Leg Nurski, about 20 km away, and then work our way back to the camp.
This little detour threw our Warsaw-based cabbie for a loop, and with
signage virtually nonexistent, I knew we were in a bit of a fix. So we
crossed the river, worked our way down to Kosow Lacki, stopped two or
three times for directions, drove up past Wolka Okraglik, and on to
the entrance of the camp—after 45 extra minutes. But we were there. We
drove right in—no gate, no guard, no entrance fee—and parked. Only two
other cars in the lot, a relief; no Auschwitz-style Disneyland here.
Lech and I walked over to the small museum (Photo 1). Edward was in
his office, ready to see us. He was a clean-cut fellow, probably in
his late 40s, and seemed happy to have us. Lech introduced us (in
Polish), and I immediately learned that Edward “spoke no English.”
Lech would have to translate back and forth—a bit of an inconvenience,
I thought, and strange for someone whose job it is to interact with
many visitors. But here I was the foreigner, so I couldn’t much
complain.
Inside the museum we viewed a large wall map, showing both the labor
portion of the camp (Treblinka I), and the “extermination” zone,
Treblinka II—see Photo 2. We were presently located at the far right,
near the parking “P”, with the museum marked “M”.
Edward then introduced to us—with Lech patiently translating—a large
scale model of the extermination camp (Photo 3). Edward explained the
standard extermination process: the arriving train cars, the
separation by sexes, the “tube” pathway to the gas chambers, and then
the gassing itself—with diesel engine exhaust. Not being your typical
ignorant tourist, I asked if diesel exhaust had enough carbon monoxide
to efficiently kill masses of people. Edward’s answer: the Germans
used “dirty fuel”! This was a new one for me; I am unaware of any
witness or perpetrator describing the deliberate use of contaminated
diesel fuel in order to increase CO content, nor do I know if it would
even work. But it was an interesting response. Evidently he knew that
ordinary diesel exhaust cannot kill masses of people, so the story had
to be modified. But who am I to challenge the director of the
Treblinka museum himself?
Edward then explained that a total of 912,000 people were killed over
the brief, 11-month lifetime of the camp. In fact this is precisely
the figure offered by Manfred Burba in his 1995 German book,
Treblinka. Why Edward preferred this number over the other “expert”
estimates—including van Pelt’s 750,000, Hilberg’s 800,000, Arad’s
870,000, or Benz’s 974,000—he did not say.
Of the 912,000, the first 700,000 were initially buried in mass
graves, he said, and then later exhumed for cremation on open-air
pyres—the usual story, but rife with problems. He pointedly did not
discuss the timeframe, so I asked (knowing already) if all 700,000
were buried first, prior to exhumation. He hesitated, but finally
answered ‘yes.’ So I asked: where exactly were these 700,000 bodies
buried? He pointed to a few areas marked “mass grave” on the model.
And how much space did they require? A lot, he said. How deep were the
graves?, I asked. Eight meters—some 26 feet, a very impressive hole.
Isn’t there a ground water problem here, I asked, being a flat
landscape so close to the Bug river? Not a concern, Edward replied;
the water table is some 10 meters deep. No problems here!
We then proceeded to walk to the extermination camp. One quickly
notices that many things about the camp are “symbolic”: symbolic camp
entrance (Photo 4), symbolic fence (Photo 5), symbolic railroad tracks
(Photo 6). Necessary, Edward says, because the Nazis obliterated every
trace of the original camp. How convenient, I thought to myself.
Along the way we passed a large map of the camp area (Photo 7).
Unfortunately it bore little resemblance to the present memorial
layout, and it was nearly impossible to locate the various “symbolic”
markers that we had seen. But perhaps it was just as well—fewer
difficult questions to answer this way.
Soon enough we arrived at the pathway (the symbolic “tube”) that led
to the famous central monument: a toadstool-like monolith located at
the very spot of the alleged gas chambers (Photo 8). Here we were, at
the heart of Treblinka, the site of the most horrendous kill rate of
the entire Holocaust: of the 912,000 victims, 837,000 were killed in
just six months of 1942, according to the camp’s (and Burba’s)
“official” tally. (The remaining 75,000 died in 1943.) This works out
to nearly 140,000 per month, 35,000 per week, or 5,000 per day, every
day, rain or shine, for six months. Not even Auschwitz during the
alleged Hungarian massacre could match this rate.
Surprisingly, gassing that many people per day was no problem, on the
traditional view. Treblinka had, for most of its existence, 10
chambers with a combined capacity of nearly 40,000 gassings per day;
5,000 would have been a walk in the park. Corpse disposal, on the
other hand, would have been a nightmare. Burying the first 700,000
victims would have required astoundingly huge graves. If we accept
Arad’s claim of four such graves, each would have had to be something
like 15 x 120 meters in area, and 8 meters deep (as Edward claimed),
to hold all those bodies. Combined, this is an area equivalent to 1.4
times as large as a professional American football field, and 26 feet
deep. (And where did they put all that dirt, by the way?) Upon dumping
the bodies for nine months, the Germans then, allegedly, covered the
whole mess up—just in time to change their minds and decide to burn
them all.
So they uncovered the graves, dredged up 700,000 rotting, decaying
corpses, and dragged them over to…a fire pit. To burn them all. Down
to pure ash, down to nothing. In the open air. Using wood logs. I
asked Edward where this miracle happened. He walked us over to the
“symbolic” pit where the Germans had constructed grills of elevated
railway rails, on which they could stack the corpses—see Photos 9 and
10. Wood was placed underneath, ignited, and the bodies all but
vaporized. And not only did they have the 700,000 exhumed corpses, but
they also had to contend with the ongoing supply of 212,000 “fresh”
bodies that were still being gassed—at a rate of 5,000 per day. All
912,000 bodies, reduced to ash, in the very spot we were standing. And
they did this in just 16 weeks, according to the experts—more than
8,000 per day, every day. Those Germans were brilliant indeed, and
efficient.
Where is the ash?, I asked. It’s still in the ground, said Edward. He
reached down, scraped around in the dirt with his hand, and said,
“Here is some.” He handed me 5 or 6 bits of something that certainly
looked like ash: two were black (wood ash?), one was grey, and two
white—bone fragments, perhaps? I was quite impressed: here in my hand
were the likely remains of actual Treblinka victims. I stuffed the
bits of ash in my pocket. I have them still.
During our discussion the question of excavations arose. On the
traditional view, the ash was reburied in the graves that held the
bodies; even today, there would be literally tons of it remaining. But
as we know, there have been no attempts to unearth evidence of mass
graves, or to measure or quantify ashes or human remains—not one
single attempt, in nearly 70 years. It is almost as if the powers that
be did not want to confirm the truth. Perhaps they suspected, in the
back of their minds, that the conventional storyline would not hold
up. So, I was quite surprised to hear that a team from Birmingham
University (UK) was preparing to conduct a non-invasive study of the
mass graves, using a ground-penetrating radar. I made a note to myself
to follow the progress of this very interesting development.
Our time about up, we walked on back to the museum. Along the way we
stopped at a little gift-shop kiosk and purchased two small books: a
photo album titled Treblinka: The Stones Are Silent (2007) and a
historical overview, Treblinka II – The Death Camp (2007). The latter
reiterated that “around 900,000” Jews were killed there, but it
included a surprising statistic: “one third of the deportees were dead
or on the verge of death when they reached [the camp]” (p. 9). This
was a shock: something like 200,000 or 250,000 of the Treblinka
victims were dead on arrival? I am unaware of this estimate in any
conventional academic work; it would significantly alter the whole
story.
The book also mentions the 10 gas chambers, each of 16 square meters
in area, which could collectively gas “up to 5000 victims at a time”
(p. 13). So: 500 victims per room, which works out to 31 persons per
square meter of area. Evidently the authors count on the reader being
incapable of basic math—otherwise they wouldn’t put forth this obvious
nonsense.
Such was my day in Treblinka. Back in the parking lot, our cabbie was
waiting—arising from a little nap. His time might have been better
spent. Heading back to Warsaw we took “the direct route,” meaning, we
got lost three more times. Finally, two hungry hours later, we arrived
back at our hotel. Quite a day. I wouldn’t have missed it for the
world.
Postscript: For a long time after my visit, I heard nothing at all
about any Birmingham study of the camp using ground-penetrating radar.
I was disappointed, but not surprised. Then to my astonishment, just
one week ago, came a blazing headline in the British paper The Daily
Mail: “British archaeologist destroys Holocaust deniers’ argument with
mass grave find at Treblinka” (18 January 2012). The short article
reads, in part:
A British forensic archaeologist has unearthed fresh evidence to prove
the existence of mass graves at the Nazi death camp
Treblinka—scuppering the claims of Holocaust deniers who say it was
merely a transit camp. … Forensic archaeologist Caroline Sturdy Colls
has now undertaken the first coordinated scientific attempt to locate
the graves.
Ms. Colls is quoted as follows: “I’ve identified a number of buried
pits using geophysical techniques. These are considerable in size, and
very deep, one in particular is 26 by 17 meters.” This is the full
extent of the details that we are offered—a very strong sign that Ms.
Colls did not, in fact, “destroy” the revisionists’ arguments. The
presumably largest grave is 26 by 17 meters, or 442 square meters in
area. Recall above where I noted that the orthodox story requires a
total grave area of roughly 7200 square meters. So Ms. Colls’s one
large grave is about 6% of the necessary area. She claims to have
found “a number” of graves, but unless this was something like 30 or
40, she is far short of the mark. More likely, of course, the “number”
was quite small, or we would surely have been given specifics.
I would further add that, on the revisionist thesis, many thousands of
people did indeed die in the camp, of various causes. A high-volume
transit camp would have received thousands of incoming dead (recall
the “one third” statistic above), and many more would have died of
disease and, yes, execution (likely by bullet) at the camp. So it is
fully expected that mass graves exist in the camp. But the anticipated
number of victims is much smaller—perhaps 10% of those claimed. Thus
we might expect to see a total grave volume of around 10,000 to 12,000
cubic meters, rather than the 120,000 required by the conventional
account.
So what grave volume did Ms. Colls find? BBC Radio 4 ran a 30-minute
exclusive story on this event, on January 23. She spoke several times,
but offered very few additional details. She confirmed that a “number”
of graves were found, with the largest as mentioned above. But of
course, we also need to know how deep they are. The newspaper article
quoted her as saying they were “very deep.” But it turns out that her
high-tech ground-scanning system cannot record the depth! All she
knows is that the graves are “at least 4 meters deep”—evidently the
scanning limit of her system. Unbelievable. This is a case of either
blinding incompetence, or willful neglect. Any serious attempt to
understand the graves would have obviously recorded their depth, at
least to the full 8 meters claimed by Edward Kopowka. As it is, and
for all she knows, the graves may indeed be no more than 4 meters
deep—in which case, her large “26 x 17” grave is a mere 3% of the
needed size.
Colls added one further fact on the radio program: the “main area” for
graves, right behind the presumed gas chambers, showed evidence of
“five graves in a row.” And all five, presumably, are significantly
smaller than her largest. This again suggests that she has found only
a small fraction of the necessary grave area. The conventional story,
and the 700,000 buried corpses, may well have been fatally undermined
by this latest discovery. But we won’t know until we see the details
of her report—if they ever reach the light of day.
Lacking the details, it’s hard to draw firm conclusions. But all signs
point in one direction. They imply that, as at Belzec, ground surveys
provide far more support for the revisionist thesis than the
traditional one. Things are looking up; the truth is at hand.
jdyöung, Official
jdyo...@gmail.com
Mid-summer, Warsaw. Partly sunny, mild—a nice day to visit a death
camp. I had just finished with an academic conference in the suburbs
of Warsaw, and had one free day (a Tuesday) before moving on to my
next European engagement. This was very fortunate, as I knew that the
Treblinka concentration camp was only some 100 km away, and I was very
much hoping for a chance to see it in person. My local Polish contacts
were supportive, if slightly puzzled why an American professor of
humanities would bother visiting a place “with nothing there to see.”
But I insisted, and so they complied. A Polish colleague, Lech, agreed
to travel with me. He had no car, so we booked a taxi—reasonably
priced, considering the distance—and by 9:30 am we were on our way to
Treblinka.
We would not be arriving as mere tourists. Another colleague
previously contacted the camp and spoke with museum director Edward
Kopowka. He agreed to meet with us, show us the small museum, and then
walk the camp grounds with us for two full hours. Good luck for us,
though perhaps not for him.
We made good time, arriving in Malkinia before 10:30 am, and only some
10 km from the camp. But then a problem: the bridge over the Bug River
was out of service. We would have to go down to the next crossing at
Leg Nurski, about 20 km away, and then work our way back to the camp.
This little detour threw our Warsaw-based cabbie for a loop, and with
signage virtually nonexistent, I knew we were in a bit of a fix. So we
crossed the river, worked our way down to Kosow Lacki, stopped two or
three times for directions, drove up past Wolka Okraglik, and on to
the entrance of the camp—after 45 extra minutes. But we were there. We
drove right in—no gate, no guard, no entrance fee—and parked. Only two
other cars in the lot, a relief; no Auschwitz-style Disneyland here.
Lech and I walked over to the small museum (Photo 1). Edward was in
his office, ready to see us. He was a clean-cut fellow, probably in
his late 40s, and seemed happy to have us. Lech introduced us (in
Polish), and I immediately learned that Edward “spoke no English.”
Lech would have to translate back and forth—a bit of an inconvenience,
I thought, and strange for someone whose job it is to interact with
many visitors. But here I was the foreigner, so I couldn’t much
complain.
Inside the museum we viewed a large wall map, showing both the labor
portion of the camp (Treblinka I), and the “extermination” zone,
Treblinka II—see Photo 2. We were presently located at the far right,
near the parking “P”, with the museum marked “M”.
Edward then introduced to us—with Lech patiently translating—a large
scale model of the extermination camp (Photo 3). Edward explained the
standard extermination process: the arriving train cars, the
separation by sexes, the “tube” pathway to the gas chambers, and then
the gassing itself—with diesel engine exhaust. Not being your typical
ignorant tourist, I asked if diesel exhaust had enough carbon monoxide
to efficiently kill masses of people. Edward’s answer: the Germans
used “dirty fuel”! This was a new one for me; I am unaware of any
witness or perpetrator describing the deliberate use of contaminated
diesel fuel in order to increase CO content, nor do I know if it would
even work. But it was an interesting response. Evidently he knew that
ordinary diesel exhaust cannot kill masses of people, so the story had
to be modified. But who am I to challenge the director of the
Treblinka museum himself?
Edward then explained that a total of 912,000 people were killed over
the brief, 11-month lifetime of the camp. In fact this is precisely
the figure offered by Manfred Burba in his 1995 German book,
Treblinka. Why Edward preferred this number over the other “expert”
estimates—including van Pelt’s 750,000, Hilberg’s 800,000, Arad’s
870,000, or Benz’s 974,000—he did not say.
Of the 912,000, the first 700,000 were initially buried in mass
graves, he said, and then later exhumed for cremation on open-air
pyres—the usual story, but rife with problems. He pointedly did not
discuss the timeframe, so I asked (knowing already) if all 700,000
were buried first, prior to exhumation. He hesitated, but finally
answered ‘yes.’ So I asked: where exactly were these 700,000 bodies
buried? He pointed to a few areas marked “mass grave” on the model.
And how much space did they require? A lot, he said. How deep were the
graves?, I asked. Eight meters—some 26 feet, a very impressive hole.
Isn’t there a ground water problem here, I asked, being a flat
landscape so close to the Bug river? Not a concern, Edward replied;
the water table is some 10 meters deep. No problems here!
We then proceeded to walk to the extermination camp. One quickly
notices that many things about the camp are “symbolic”: symbolic camp
entrance (Photo 4), symbolic fence (Photo 5), symbolic railroad tracks
(Photo 6). Necessary, Edward says, because the Nazis obliterated every
trace of the original camp. How convenient, I thought to myself.
Along the way we passed a large map of the camp area (Photo 7).
Unfortunately it bore little resemblance to the present memorial
layout, and it was nearly impossible to locate the various “symbolic”
markers that we had seen. But perhaps it was just as well—fewer
difficult questions to answer this way.
Soon enough we arrived at the pathway (the symbolic “tube”) that led
to the famous central monument: a toadstool-like monolith located at
the very spot of the alleged gas chambers (Photo 8). Here we were, at
the heart of Treblinka, the site of the most horrendous kill rate of
the entire Holocaust: of the 912,000 victims, 837,000 were killed in
just six months of 1942, according to the camp’s (and Burba’s)
“official” tally. (The remaining 75,000 died in 1943.) This works out
to nearly 140,000 per month, 35,000 per week, or 5,000 per day, every
day, rain or shine, for six months. Not even Auschwitz during the
alleged Hungarian massacre could match this rate.
Surprisingly, gassing that many people per day was no problem, on the
traditional view. Treblinka had, for most of its existence, 10
chambers with a combined capacity of nearly 40,000 gassings per day;
5,000 would have been a walk in the park. Corpse disposal, on the
other hand, would have been a nightmare. Burying the first 700,000
victims would have required astoundingly huge graves. If we accept
Arad’s claim of four such graves, each would have had to be something
like 15 x 120 meters in area, and 8 meters deep (as Edward claimed),
to hold all those bodies. Combined, this is an area equivalent to 1.4
times as large as a professional American football field, and 26 feet
deep. (And where did they put all that dirt, by the way?) Upon dumping
the bodies for nine months, the Germans then, allegedly, covered the
whole mess up—just in time to change their minds and decide to burn
them all.
So they uncovered the graves, dredged up 700,000 rotting, decaying
corpses, and dragged them over to…a fire pit. To burn them all. Down
to pure ash, down to nothing. In the open air. Using wood logs. I
asked Edward where this miracle happened. He walked us over to the
“symbolic” pit where the Germans had constructed grills of elevated
railway rails, on which they could stack the corpses—see Photos 9 and
10. Wood was placed underneath, ignited, and the bodies all but
vaporized. And not only did they have the 700,000 exhumed corpses, but
they also had to contend with the ongoing supply of 212,000 “fresh”
bodies that were still being gassed—at a rate of 5,000 per day. All
912,000 bodies, reduced to ash, in the very spot we were standing. And
they did this in just 16 weeks, according to the experts—more than
8,000 per day, every day. Those Germans were brilliant indeed, and
efficient.
Where is the ash?, I asked. It’s still in the ground, said Edward. He
reached down, scraped around in the dirt with his hand, and said,
“Here is some.” He handed me 5 or 6 bits of something that certainly
looked like ash: two were black (wood ash?), one was grey, and two
white—bone fragments, perhaps? I was quite impressed: here in my hand
were the likely remains of actual Treblinka victims. I stuffed the
bits of ash in my pocket. I have them still.
During our discussion the question of excavations arose. On the
traditional view, the ash was reburied in the graves that held the
bodies; even today, there would be literally tons of it remaining. But
as we know, there have been no attempts to unearth evidence of mass
graves, or to measure or quantify ashes or human remains—not one
single attempt, in nearly 70 years. It is almost as if the powers that
be did not want to confirm the truth. Perhaps they suspected, in the
back of their minds, that the conventional storyline would not hold
up. So, I was quite surprised to hear that a team from Birmingham
University (UK) was preparing to conduct a non-invasive study of the
mass graves, using a ground-penetrating radar. I made a note to myself
to follow the progress of this very interesting development.
Our time about up, we walked on back to the museum. Along the way we
stopped at a little gift-shop kiosk and purchased two small books: a
photo album titled Treblinka: The Stones Are Silent (2007) and a
historical overview, Treblinka II – The Death Camp (2007). The latter
reiterated that “around 900,000” Jews were killed there, but it
included a surprising statistic: “one third of the deportees were dead
or on the verge of death when they reached [the camp]” (p. 9). This
was a shock: something like 200,000 or 250,000 of the Treblinka
victims were dead on arrival? I am unaware of this estimate in any
conventional academic work; it would significantly alter the whole
story.
The book also mentions the 10 gas chambers, each of 16 square meters
in area, which could collectively gas “up to 5000 victims at a time”
(p. 13). So: 500 victims per room, which works out to 31 persons per
square meter of area. Evidently the authors count on the reader being
incapable of basic math—otherwise they wouldn’t put forth this obvious
nonsense.
Such was my day in Treblinka. Back in the parking lot, our cabbie was
waiting—arising from a little nap. His time might have been better
spent. Heading back to Warsaw we took “the direct route,” meaning, we
got lost three more times. Finally, two hungry hours later, we arrived
back at our hotel. Quite a day. I wouldn’t have missed it for the
world.
Postscript: For a long time after my visit, I heard nothing at all
about any Birmingham study of the camp using ground-penetrating radar.
I was disappointed, but not surprised. Then to my astonishment, just
one week ago, came a blazing headline in the British paper The Daily
Mail: “British archaeologist destroys Holocaust deniers’ argument with
mass grave find at Treblinka” (18 January 2012). The short article
reads, in part:
A British forensic archaeologist has unearthed fresh evidence to prove
the existence of mass graves at the Nazi death camp
Treblinka—scuppering the claims of Holocaust deniers who say it was
merely a transit camp. … Forensic archaeologist Caroline Sturdy Colls
has now undertaken the first coordinated scientific attempt to locate
the graves.
Ms. Colls is quoted as follows: “I’ve identified a number of buried
pits using geophysical techniques. These are considerable in size, and
very deep, one in particular is 26 by 17 meters.” This is the full
extent of the details that we are offered—a very strong sign that Ms.
Colls did not, in fact, “destroy” the revisionists’ arguments. The
presumably largest grave is 26 by 17 meters, or 442 square meters in
area. Recall above where I noted that the orthodox story requires a
total grave area of roughly 7200 square meters. So Ms. Colls’s one
large grave is about 6% of the necessary area. She claims to have
found “a number” of graves, but unless this was something like 30 or
40, she is far short of the mark. More likely, of course, the “number”
was quite small, or we would surely have been given specifics.
I would further add that, on the revisionist thesis, many thousands of
people did indeed die in the camp, of various causes. A high-volume
transit camp would have received thousands of incoming dead (recall
the “one third” statistic above), and many more would have died of
disease and, yes, execution (likely by bullet) at the camp. So it is
fully expected that mass graves exist in the camp. But the anticipated
number of victims is much smaller—perhaps 10% of those claimed. Thus
we might expect to see a total grave volume of around 10,000 to 12,000
cubic meters, rather than the 120,000 required by the conventional
account.
So what grave volume did Ms. Colls find? BBC Radio 4 ran a 30-minute
exclusive story on this event, on January 23. She spoke several times,
but offered very few additional details. She confirmed that a “number”
of graves were found, with the largest as mentioned above. But of
course, we also need to know how deep they are. The newspaper article
quoted her as saying they were “very deep.” But it turns out that her
high-tech ground-scanning system cannot record the depth! All she
knows is that the graves are “at least 4 meters deep”—evidently the
scanning limit of her system. Unbelievable. This is a case of either
blinding incompetence, or willful neglect. Any serious attempt to
understand the graves would have obviously recorded their depth, at
least to the full 8 meters claimed by Edward Kopowka. As it is, and
for all she knows, the graves may indeed be no more than 4 meters
deep—in which case, her large “26 x 17” grave is a mere 3% of the
needed size.
Colls added one further fact on the radio program: the “main area” for
graves, right behind the presumed gas chambers, showed evidence of
“five graves in a row.” And all five, presumably, are significantly
smaller than her largest. This again suggests that she has found only
a small fraction of the necessary grave area. The conventional story,
and the 700,000 buried corpses, may well have been fatally undermined
by this latest discovery. But we won’t know until we see the details
of her report—if they ever reach the light of day.
Lacking the details, it’s hard to draw firm conclusions. But all signs
point in one direction. They imply that, as at Belzec, ground surveys
provide far more support for the revisionist thesis than the
traditional one. Things are looking up; the truth is at hand.
jdyöung, Official
jdyo...@gmail.com
jdyöung
Aug 5, 2023, 8:31:29 PM8/5/23
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On Saturday, August 5, 2023 at 7:57:22 PM UTC-4, Nazi nutjob "Loose Cannon" forging his master jdyöung wrote:
> Lacking the details, it’s hard to draw firm conclusions.
Here's a solid conclusion, you sad little Nazi putz:
> Lacking the details, it’s hard to draw firm conclusions.
"Imitation is the sincerest form of flattery that mediocrity can pay to greatness." - Oscar Wilde.
"Loose", when are you going to get through your thick Nazi skull that no one cares about what you have to say?
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LC
Aug 6, 2023, 12:28:19 AM8/6/23
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On Saturday, August 5, 2023 at 7:57:22 PM UTC-4, nym stealing troll Eric Berg FORGING jdyöung vomited:
> On Saturday, August 5, 2023 at 3:12:53 PM UTC-4,
< BITCH SLAP >
Imitation is the sincerest form of flattery that mediocrity can pay to greatness. - Oscar Wilde.
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> On Saturday, August 5, 2023 at 3:12:53 PM UTC-4,
< BITCH SLAP >
Imitation is the sincerest form of flattery that mediocrity can pay to greatness. - Oscar Wilde.
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LC
Aug 6, 2023, 12:28:23 AM8/6/23
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On Saturday, August 5, 2023 at 8:31:29 PM UTC-4, nym stealing troll Eric Berg FORGING jdyöung vomited:
jdy...@gmail.com
www.splc.org
> On Saturday, August 5, 2023 at 3:12:53 PM UTC-4,
< BITCH SLAP >
< BITCH SLAP >
Imitation is the sincerest form of flattery that mediocrity can pay to greatness. - Oscar Wilde.
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Peeler
Aug 6, 2023, 4:03:54 AM8/6/23
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https://extremismterms.adl.org/glossary/thomas-dalton
"Thomas Dalton, likely a pseudonym, is an author with numerous Holocaust
denial works. Like some other deniers, Dalton initially soft-peddled his
beliefs when he framed his 2009 book as a presentation of the “debate” over
the Holocaust’s historicity. Since then, however, he has emerged as an
unbridled antisemite and Holocaust denier, including by suggesting that
“Jews caused World War Two.” He refutes that there was a master plan to
murder Jews and claims only 500,000 died at the hands of the Nazis...."
--
Anti-virus firm AVG <a...@avg.com> addressing Loose Sphincter on Usenet:
"Hello from AVG.
Please stop advertising us. We don't want to be associated with neo-Nazi
scum like you and RichA, no matter whether you use our product or not.
And fix your fucking sig separator!
Sincerely, AVG."
"Thomas Dalton, likely a pseudonym, is an author with numerous Holocaust
denial works. Like some other deniers, Dalton initially soft-peddled his
beliefs when he framed his 2009 book as a presentation of the “debate” over
the Holocaust’s historicity. Since then, however, he has emerged as an
unbridled antisemite and Holocaust denier, including by suggesting that
“Jews caused World War Two.” He refutes that there was a master plan to
murder Jews and claims only 500,000 died at the hands of the Nazis...."
--
Anti-virus firm AVG <a...@avg.com> addressing Loose Sphincter on Usenet:
"Hello from AVG.
Please stop advertising us. We don't want to be associated with neo-Nazi
scum like you and RichA, no matter whether you use our product or not.
And fix your fucking sig separator!
Sincerely, AVG."
† The Revd
Aug 6, 2023, 10:32:59 AM8/6/23
to
--
The Illiterate Foreskin Peeling Grik anus admits he got
no life AT ALL outside stalking on THE Usenet!
"Frankly, if he were gone, I wouldn't know what to do here."
Message-ID: <FCOQt.107901$hp7....@fx13.fr7>
The Illiterate Foreskin Peeling Grik anus, defending his fellow
Grik sodomite the Grikboxer® and under the delusion that he's
been able to grow a pair: "You'd have to get past me first,"
Message-ID: <LOOQt.337647$Qr2....@fx08.fr7>
Yet more proof that the Illiterate Foreskin Peeling Grik anus
thinks he got a pair: "Just to let you know: ANYONE who "befriends"
the subnormal swine will have to deal with me! Get ready, bitch!"
Message-ID: <FHg6t.166438$Nl5....@newsfe07.iad>
The Illiterate Foreskin Peeling Grik anus STILL seems to think
he got a pair: "Which will NEVER happen! You'd have to get past
me first, poor psycho! LOL"
Message-ID: <MCSIu.1$c5...@fx32.fr7>
The Illiterate Foreskin Peeling Grik anus having still MORE delusions
about growing a pair: "If ANYONE dared to grab me by the neck
like that he'd get my fist in his face."
Message-ID: <qeilfu$iog$1...@gioia.aioe.org>
In spite of all the evidence, the Illiterate Foreskin Peeling Grik anus
STILL has delusions about growing a pair!
"What kind of other-worldly pussies (men?) are you all? If someone
would dare to grab me by the back of my neck like that and push me
around, my instinctive, AUTOMATIC reaction would be to knock him in
the face! NOBODY is allowed to do that to ANYONE!"
Message-ID: <qfnPE.73303$YG3....@usenetxs.com>
Best of all! From the Foreskin Peeler's doctoral dissertation in divinity,
'University' of Salonica (1992): "The jew g-d is your g-d's dad."
Peeler
Aug 6, 2023, 11:50:18 AM8/6/23
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On Sun, 06 Aug 2023 15:32:57 +0100, clinically insane, pedophilic, serbian
bitch Razovic, the resident psychopath of sci and scj and Usenet's famous
sexual cripple, making a total ass of herself as "† The Revd", farted again:
>
> Just another WWII jew theme park. No big deal.
Nope, just another idiotic neo-nazi "revisionist" of no importance!
--
Pedophilic dreckserb Razovic arguing in favour of pedophilia, again:
"Paedophiles are still a long way from being widely accepted."
MID: <rlMUE.676067$H25....@usenetxs.com>
Your kind will NEVER be accepted, in NO part of the world, you filthy old
reject and pedo swine!
bitch Razovic, the resident psychopath of sci and scj and Usenet's famous
sexual cripple, making a total ass of herself as "† The Revd", farted again:
>
> Just another WWII jew theme park. No big deal.
--
Pedophilic dreckserb Razovic arguing in favour of pedophilia, again:
"Paedophiles are still a long way from being widely accepted."
MID: <rlMUE.676067$H25....@usenetxs.com>
Your kind will NEVER be accepted, in NO part of the world, you filthy old
reject and pedo swine!
Greg Carr
Aug 7, 2023, 9:11:36 AM8/7/23
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On Sunday, August 6, 2023 at 7:32:59 AM UTC-7, † The Revd wrote:
Just another nym for the A.U.K. award winner. Shoah or Holocaust or Final Solution was real just like the Cambodian genocide and the Armenian Genocide which emboldened Hitler and the Balkans cluster of the early 90's and the Great Leap Backwards/Red Terror of China and Rwanda six week rape/death that offed 700,000. Nuns got in the act Hotel Rwanda is a good movie about it Hotel Rwanda (2004). Dramatic feature film about Paul Rusesabagina, a Kigali hotelier, and the events around the Hôtel des Mille Collines, a sanctuary for Tutsi and moderate Hutu after its owner shut his doors against the genocide. The film was nominated for multiple Academy Awards, is on the American Film Institute's list of the 100 most inspirational films of all time, and appears on the IMDb's Top 250 highest rated movies of all time.[2]
Hotel Rwanda (2004). Dramatic feature film about Paul Rusesabagina, a Kigali hotelier, and the events around the Hôtel des Mille Collines, a sanctuary for Tutsi and moderate Hutu after its owner shut his doors against the genocide. The film was nominated for multiple Academy Awards, is on the American Film Institute's list of the 100 most inspirational films of all time, and appears on the IMDb's Top 250 highest rated movies of all time.[2] The book is good also.
East Timor genocide 500,000 dead. The NYT had to issue an apology after Noam Chomsky detailed their refusal to document it.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_genocides There is a lot more.
The Holocaust also killed Slavs, Gypsies and ppl at random, pacifists.
Just another nym for the A.U.K. award winner. Shoah or Holocaust or Final Solution was real just like the Cambodian genocide and the Armenian Genocide which emboldened Hitler and the Balkans cluster of the early 90's and the Great Leap Backwards/Red Terror of China and Rwanda six week rape/death that offed 700,000. Nuns got in the act Hotel Rwanda is a good movie about it Hotel Rwanda (2004). Dramatic feature film about Paul Rusesabagina, a Kigali hotelier, and the events around the Hôtel des Mille Collines, a sanctuary for Tutsi and moderate Hutu after its owner shut his doors against the genocide. The film was nominated for multiple Academy Awards, is on the American Film Institute's list of the 100 most inspirational films of all time, and appears on the IMDb's Top 250 highest rated movies of all time.[2]
Hotel Rwanda (2004). Dramatic feature film about Paul Rusesabagina, a Kigali hotelier, and the events around the Hôtel des Mille Collines, a sanctuary for Tutsi and moderate Hutu after its owner shut his doors against the genocide. The film was nominated for multiple Academy Awards, is on the American Film Institute's list of the 100 most inspirational films of all time, and appears on the IMDb's Top 250 highest rated movies of all time.[2] The book is good also.
East Timor genocide 500,000 dead. The NYT had to issue an apology after Noam Chomsky detailed their refusal to document it.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_genocides There is a lot more.
The Holocaust also killed Slavs, Gypsies and ppl at random, pacifists.
Loose Cannon
Aug 7, 2023, 8:25:29 PM8/7/23
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On Mon, 7 Aug 2023 06:11:34 -0700 (PDT), Greg Carr
<gregca...@gmail.com> wrote:
>On Sunday, August 6, 2023 at 7:32:59?AM UTC-7, † The Revd wrote:
>
>Just another nym for the A.U.K. award winner. Shoah or Holocaust or Final Solution was real just like the Cambodian genocide and the Armenian Genocide which emboldened Hitler and the Balkans cluster of the early 90's and the Great Leap Backwards/Red Terror of China and Rwanda six week rape/death that offed 700,000. Nuns got in the act Hotel Rwanda is a good movie about it Hotel Rwanda (2004). Dramatic feature film about Paul Rusesabagina, a Kigali hotelier, and the events around the Hôtel des Mille Collines, a sanctuary for Tutsi and moderate Hutu after its owner shut his doors against the genocide. The film was nominated for multiple Academy Awards, is on the American Film Institute's list of the 100 most inspirational films of all time, and appears on the IMDb's Top 250 highest rated movies of all time.[2]
>
>Hotel Rwanda (2004). Dramatic feature film about Paul Rusesabagina, a Kigali hotelier, and the events around the Hôtel des Mille Collines, a sanctuary for Tutsi and moderate Hutu after its owner shut his doors against the genocide. The film was nominated for multiple Academy Awards, is on the American Film Institute's list of the 100 most inspirational films of all time, and appears on the IMDb's Top 250 highest rated movies of all time.[2] The book is good also.
>
>East Timor genocide 500,000 dead. The NYT had to issue an apology after Noam Chomsky detailed their refusal to document it.
>
>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_genocides There is a lot more.
>
>The Holocaust also killed Slavs, Gypsies and ppl at random, pacifists.
In other words, the untermensch
<gregca...@gmail.com> wrote:
>On Sunday, August 6, 2023 at 7:32:59?AM UTC-7, † The Revd wrote:
>
>Just another nym for the A.U.K. award winner. Shoah or Holocaust or Final Solution was real just like the Cambodian genocide and the Armenian Genocide which emboldened Hitler and the Balkans cluster of the early 90's and the Great Leap Backwards/Red Terror of China and Rwanda six week rape/death that offed 700,000. Nuns got in the act Hotel Rwanda is a good movie about it Hotel Rwanda (2004). Dramatic feature film about Paul Rusesabagina, a Kigali hotelier, and the events around the Hôtel des Mille Collines, a sanctuary for Tutsi and moderate Hutu after its owner shut his doors against the genocide. The film was nominated for multiple Academy Awards, is on the American Film Institute's list of the 100 most inspirational films of all time, and appears on the IMDb's Top 250 highest rated movies of all time.[2]
>
>Hotel Rwanda (2004). Dramatic feature film about Paul Rusesabagina, a Kigali hotelier, and the events around the Hôtel des Mille Collines, a sanctuary for Tutsi and moderate Hutu after its owner shut his doors against the genocide. The film was nominated for multiple Academy Awards, is on the American Film Institute's list of the 100 most inspirational films of all time, and appears on the IMDb's Top 250 highest rated movies of all time.[2] The book is good also.
>
>East Timor genocide 500,000 dead. The NYT had to issue an apology after Noam Chomsky detailed their refusal to document it.
>
>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_genocides There is a lot more.
>
>The Holocaust also killed Slavs, Gypsies and ppl at random, pacifists.
jdyöung
Aug 7, 2023, 8:42:14 PM8/7/23
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"Lucy", when are you going to get through your thick Nazi skull that no one cares about what you have to say?
jdyoung, Official
jdy...@gmail.com
www.splc.org
Greg Carr
Aug 7, 2023, 9:08:59 PM8/7/23
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LC
Aug 7, 2023, 10:50:35 PM8/7/23
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On Monday, August 7, 2023 at 8:42:14 PM UTC-4, demented troll Eric Berg FORGING jdyöung puked:
> On Monday, August 7, 2023 at 8:25:29 PM UTC-4,
< BITCH SLAP >
jdyöung
Aug 8, 2023, 8:21:07 AM8/8/23
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On Monday, August 7, 2023 at 10:50:35 PM UTC-4, demented troll "Loose/Auric/Susan" FORGING LC wrote:
> On Monday, August 7, 2023 at 8:42:14 PM UTC-4, "LC's" complete master jdyöung declared:
<Just another lame azz copycat post; "LC" BITCH SLAPPED >
Nice avatar, Nazi boi!
jdyoung, Official
jdy...@gmail.com
www.splc.org
> On Monday, August 7, 2023 at 8:42:14 PM UTC-4, "LC's" complete master jdyöung declared:
<Just another lame azz copycat post; "LC" BITCH SLAPPED >
Nice avatar, Nazi boi!
"Imitation is the sincerest form of flattery that mediocrity can pay to greatness." - Oscar Wilde.
ROFL!
jdyoung, Official
jdy...@gmail.com
www.splc.org
LC
Aug 8, 2023, 10:45:59 PM8/8/23
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On Tuesday, August 8, 2023 at 8:21:07 AM UTC-4, Obsessed troll Eric Berg FORGING jdyöung puked:
> On Monday, August 7, 2023 at 10:50:35 PM UTC-4,
< BITCH SLAP >
jdyöung
Aug 9, 2023, 9:25:33 AM8/9/23
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On Tuesday, August 8, 2023 at 10:45:59 PM UTC-4, demented troll "Loose/Auric/Susan/D.Ray" FORGING LC wrote:
> On Tuesday, August 8, 2023 at 8:21:07 AM UTC-4, "LC's" complete master jdyöung declared:
<Just another lame azz copycat post; "LC" BITCH SLAPPED >
Nice avatar, Nazi boi!
"Imitation is the sincerest form of flattery that mediocrity can pay to greatness." - Oscar Wilde.
Too bad that your "D. Ray" sock is getting bitchslapped all over the internet.
It seems normal people despise Nazis...who knew?
ROFL!
https://groups.google.com/g/talk.politics.guns/c/S8-_K3HwLmQ
jdyoung, Official
jdy...@gmail.com
www.splc.org
> On Tuesday, August 8, 2023 at 8:21:07 AM UTC-4, "LC's" complete master jdyöung declared:
<Just another lame azz copycat post; "LC" BITCH SLAPPED >
Nice avatar, Nazi boi!
"Imitation is the sincerest form of flattery that mediocrity can pay to greatness." - Oscar Wilde.
It seems normal people despise Nazis...who knew?
ROFL!
https://groups.google.com/g/talk.politics.guns/c/S8-_K3HwLmQ
jdyoung, Official
jdy...@gmail.com
www.splc.org
LC
Aug 9, 2023, 3:40:20 PM8/9/23
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On Wednesday, August 9, 2023 at 9:25:33 AM UTC-4, Idiot troll Eric Berg FORGING jdyöung excreted:
> On Tuesday, August 8, 2023 at 10:45:59 PM UTC-4,
< BITCH SLAP >
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