Google Groups no longer supports new Usenet posts or subscriptions. Historical content remains viewable.
Dismiss

RCMP Warn People To Shred Their Financial Documents That's Not Enough

32 views
Skip to first unread message

Ninth Commandment

unread,
Nov 21, 2004, 1:40:53 PM11/21/04
to
Even after you shred your financial papers they can still be put
together just like the Iranians did to shredded American intelligence
papers after they took over the Tehran embassy. Flush the remains or
burn them.

Shred your financial papers, police warn



By Dan Ferguson
Staff Reporter

The existence of a major fraud ring that paws through people's trash
to get valuable information has prompted Surrey RCMP to issue a
warning Wednesday to local residents and business owners - make sure
your credit card receipts are unreadable before you throw them out.
"Once the garbage hits the curb, it's no longer your personal
property," said Surrey RCMP Const. Marina Wilks. "Anyone can go
through it."
Wilks recommends merchants and consumers should use paper shredders to
make sure their credit information isn't misused.
Police estimate a ring of dumpster-diving fraud artists has defrauded
businesses of several hundred thousand dollars worth of merchandise
using credit card numbers, most of them gleaned from business trash
bins.
The investigation of the Surrey-based fraud ring began in August after
investigators and an RCMP crime analyst found links between more than
50 separate similar incidents that had consistent Surrey connections.
National and international companies have been victimized by the
scheme, which saw the criminals use legitimate credit card numbers
obtained by fraudulent means to place phone or Internet orders with
businesses from as far away as New Jersey and Mississippi.
The merchandise ranged from plasma television sets to paint ball guns,
clothes, auto parts, movie tickets and more, all delivered to Lower
Mainland addresses.
n Anyone with information is asked to contact Const. Greg Meszaros at
604-599-0502 Ext. 7654, or call Crime Stoppers at 1-800-222-TIPS.
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
www.surreyleader.com


us...@127.0.0.1

unread,
Nov 21, 2004, 4:51:27 PM11/21/04
to
Credit Card companies should just make it a policy that anything
ordered using a credit card will be shipped to the credit card owners
address ONLY. No third party shipping allowed. The Home Shopping
Network used to operate that way. They would only ship their products
to the Credit card owners address.

Ninth Commandment

unread,
Nov 21, 2004, 5:57:47 PM11/21/04
to
Excellent idea but they just want to pass the costs of theft on to the
merchants and customers. I was told that to get my picture put on my
Citibank card as a security measure I would be charged $10.

www.rentAroom.ca

unread,
Nov 21, 2004, 11:07:37 PM11/21/04
to
I would think that $10 to reduce your card from being used by a third party
would be worth it.

However,it doesn't solve the thieves who use the numbers, not the actual
card!

With kind regards,
Admin
www.rentAroom.ca
Landlords use code EFC411 and post for free.


"Ninth Commandment" <ninthcom...@yahoo.ca> wrote in message
news:8872q0tg06qb8r3jb...@4ax.com...

Message has been deleted
Message has been deleted
Message has been deleted

gap...@vcn.bc.ca

unread,
Nov 22, 2004, 8:11:53 AM11/22/04
to
Ninth Commandment <ninthcom...@yahoo.ca> wrote:
> Excellent idea but they just want to pass the costs of theft on to the
> merchants and customers. I was told that to get my picture put on my
> Citibank card as a security measure I would be charged $10.

King TV did an expose on that Citibank credit card -- they had people with
vastly non-matched pictures (eg. young white girl with an old black man's
picture on the card, or vice-versa) and NOT ONE merchant denied the sale!

Your friend,

<+]::-{(} ("Cyberpope," the Bishop of ROM!)
(MSN chat available)

(Please quote with "gapope wrote...")
-=-
In essentials, unity;
In non-essentials, liberty;
in all things, charity. -- Baxter quoting Augustine
-=-

PS This post specially encoded for verification purposes
--
.
from gapope(at)vcn(dot)bc(dot)ca << Official Reply Address for Usenet Post
.

Message has been deleted

us...@127.0.0.1

unread,
Nov 22, 2004, 5:40:52 PM11/22/04
to
On Mon, 22 Nov 2004 07:15:29 GMT, gu...@nospam.org (Karl Pollak)
wrote:

>x-no-archive: yes


>us...@127.0.0.1 wrote:
>
>>Credit Card companies should just make it a policy that anything
>>ordered using a credit card will be shipped to the credit card owners
>>address ONLY. No third party shipping allowed. The Home Shopping
>>Network used to operate that way. They would only ship their products
>>to the Credit card owners address.
>

>Sorry, that will not work.
>It is not the credit card company who ships the product. The merchant has
>no idea what your home or billing address is and has no way of finding out
>other than asking you.

It was working with the Canadian Home shopping network.


>Also, it is not the credit card company who is losing money in the deal.
>If somebody uses your credit card number, you complain to the cardco, they
>take the item off your bill and charge it back to the merchant. Of course
>by that time the merchant has already shipped the goods so now he's out of
>goods and money.
>
>The credit card company is NOT allowed to disclose your billing address
>(which can easily be different from your home address) to anyone.
>
>It is rather hilarious to see that a company in the US would accept a
>telephone or internet credit card order, but if you had showed up at their
>store in person and wanted to buy something with a personal cheque, they
>would laugh you out of the store.
>
>So the risk is with the merchant. And for my money, if the asshole is so
>gready that he will accept a credit card payment without actually seeing
>the credit card and without comparing the signature, he's getting what he
>deserves. A guy like that is literally begging to be ripped off. Little
>wonder if he is.

Nyder

unread,
Nov 22, 2004, 7:51:55 PM11/22/04
to
Wrong,

Future Shop rejected an online order from me because I entered my work addy
as the delivery because I wouldn't be home to receive the item.

And nice try saying you don't need a CC, try renting a car, or even a video
without one.

Nyder
"Karl Pollak" <gu...@nospam.org> wrote in message
news:41a1805d...@news.pacificcoast.net...
> x-no-archive: yes


> us...@127.0.0.1 wrote:
>
>>Credit Card companies should just make it a policy that anything
>>ordered using a credit card will be shipped to the credit card owners
>>address ONLY. No third party shipping allowed. The Home Shopping
>>Network used to operate that way. They would only ship their products
>>to the Credit card owners address.
>

> Sorry, that will not work.
> It is not the credit card company who ships the product. The merchant has
> no idea what your home or billing address is and has no way of finding out
> other than asking you.
>

> Also, it is not the credit card company who is losing money in the deal.
> If somebody uses your credit card number, you complain to the cardco, they
> take the item off your bill and charge it back to the merchant. Of course
> by that time the merchant has already shipped the goods so now he's out of
> goods and money.
>
> The credit card company is NOT allowed to disclose your billing address
> (which can easily be different from your home address) to anyone.
>
> It is rather hilarious to see that a company in the US would accept a
> telephone or internet credit card order, but if you had showed up at their
> store in person and wanted to buy something with a personal cheque, they
> would laugh you out of the store.
>
> So the risk is with the merchant. And for my money, if the asshole is so
> gready that he will accept a credit card payment without actually seeing
> the credit card and without comparing the signature, he's getting what he
> deserves. A guy like that is literally begging to be ripped off. Little
> wonder if he is.
>

> --
> Greetings from Lotusland


Tom McCafferty

unread,
Nov 22, 2004, 10:05:47 PM11/22/04
to

Ninth Commandment wrote:

> Even after you shred your financial papers they can still be put
> together just like the Iranians did to shredded American intelligence
> papers after they took over the Tehran embassy. Flush the remains or
> burn them.
>
>
> Shred your financial papers, police warn
>
>
>
> By Dan Ferguson
> Staff Reporter
>
> The existence of a major fraud ring that paws through people's trash
> to get valuable information has prompted Surrey RCMP to issue a
> warning Wednesday to local residents and business owners - make sure
> your credit card receipts are unreadable before you throw them out.
> "Once the garbage hits the curb, it's no longer your personal
> property," said Surrey RCMP Const. Marina Wilks. "Anyone can go
> through it."

I thought GARBAGE CANS are private property of the owner.

Sometimes if I pass a private garbage can, I think I need permission of the own
before throwing my pocket garbage such as a candy wrapper or old used Kleenex in
it.
If nobody is looking I do it anyhow.


Ninth Commandment

unread,
Nov 22, 2004, 11:14:03 PM11/22/04
to
I've had things delivered to my place of employment no problem but of
course I have ID showing who I am. No ID no delivery seems simple to
me.

As someone in the midst of bankruptcy I can attest to the hassle of
not having a credit card but fortunatly I have wheels and download my
movies now. Petro-Canada has partnership cards now that give you 3.5
cents a liter discount when you use them and I'm sure other gas
retailers have them too and of course the points are nice.

Message has been deleted

Carter Lee

unread,
Nov 23, 2004, 9:08:45 AM11/23/04
to
Tom McCafferty wrote:

>
> Ninth Commandment wrote:
>
>
>> Even after you shred your financial papers they can still be put
>>together just like the Iranians did to shredded American intelligence
>>papers after they took over the Tehran embassy. Flush the remains or
>>burn them.
>>
>>
>>Shred your financial papers, police warn
>>
>>
>>
>>By Dan Ferguson
>>Staff Reporter
>>
>>The existence of a major fraud ring that paws through people's trash
>>to get valuable information has prompted Surrey RCMP to issue a
>>warning Wednesday to local residents and business owners - make sure
>>your credit card receipts are unreadable before you throw them out.
>>"Once the garbage hits the curb, it's no longer your personal
>>property," said Surrey RCMP Const. Marina Wilks. "Anyone can go
>>through it."
>
>
> I thought GARBAGE CANS are private property of the owner.

They are. If they are at the curb awaiting pick-up however the
contents are no longer private.

Carter

Ninth Commandment

unread,
Nov 23, 2004, 9:51:12 PM11/23/04
to
I think a legal battle settled the issue in the 60s when a fanatic fan
kept stealing all the garbage of Bob Dylan and it was ruled that once
it was put out for disposal the garbage was no longer public property.
One of my former employers insisted I call VPD anytime someone
rummagged through the dumpsters. They weren't impressed by my call and
I wasn't impressed by making it and they never bothered to send an
officer.
0 new messages