QUESTION ABOUT FRAUD
wha...@aol.com
wrote:
> Supermarkets sell $200. hockeysticks?
Don't tell me it's those one piece Synergy sticks. Apparently a lot
of people were doing the peel and save on these sticks. You know put
a $20 tag on a $200 stick. So I guess they wanted to take it out on
someone.
Cloaked
Sounds like they brought all this on themselves.
Stephen
> ok my friend was charged with fraud
> here is what happen...
Don't you folks recognize a frustrated penthouse forum writer when you see
one? This is not even a good troll.
wha...@aol.com
wrote:
>I agree....these should be sold in specialty sporting goods stores.At
>$200.00 I can't see them selling a whole lote of them.
Apparently they did...at $20 :). One of my friends works there and
she said they didn't catch on for a long time. Most of the cashiers
didn't know that they were selling sticks that expensive. So they let
it through without checking..
bill
Why would a Hockey stick worth 2 bills be sitting with other $20? Wouldn't
they be locked away, only to be shown by the sales person?
Another onus falls on your friend did he knowingly took the more exp one, or
he had no knowledge of the stick's price?
Is there any special marking to show the true value?
In the old days U can be charged with tampering the price label, but being
all computer now there is only Bar code on the stick.
"Some Other Guy" <baby_i...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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> ok my friend was charged with fraud
> here is what happen
> he bought a hockey stick at a supermarket
> but when he asked the cashier how much it cost she tried to scan it in but
> it didnt work
> after getting another one it still wouldnt scan
> so the lady said just get any stick because they are all the same price
> so he gets one
> it turns out the stick was 200$ and not 20$
> so after leaving the store the manager ask him how much he got the sticks
> for
> so he shows him the reciept
> and he ask him to come up stairs
> so he politely goes upstairs and they say hes charged for fraud
> saying he knew the stick was 200$ but he didnt know
> so then after waiting for 4 hours the police dont come and let him off
with
> a warning and a ban from the store
> he then gets a letter a few weeks later saying that he has to pay 300$ for
> all the stores trouble and has a certain time period to do it in or they
> will go to court
> should my friend pay it or seek legal assistant?
>
>
J. Y.
dabuckto
Why would the store managers be asking your buddy how much he paid for the
sticks after he left the store, unless he suspected that something was wrong
in the first place. And if he thought that something was wrong in the first
place, why didn't the manager stop the transaction at the cashier?
More likely story would be that your buddy damaged the bar codes on all the
sticks so that they couldn't be scanned properly (the manager probably
witnessed this) and then told the cashier that the price was $20. I think
that would qualify as fraud.
--
Dab
Cut off: yourhead to respond
Some Other Guy
so now they are charging him 325 as a civil action instead of a crimanal
"dabuckto" <yourhead...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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Some Other Guy
Brad
store progresses to charge
If they want to be cute and act tough about they will go to court mention :
- If they want to charge fraud claiming that he "knew" it was a more
expensive, then they have to prove that.... and its his word against
theirs.
- Their employee will be subpoenaed to talk about her saying to grab any
stick cause they are all priced the same
- And today you can practically sue for being looked at weird so im sure
theres some sort of counter-suit to make their day cost them. Im sure that 4
hour detention could bring up some sort of mental trauma suit or something
similar
Hell, if they are pricks about it, why not tell them that you'll tell the
courts that you were "assaulted in the store by security during the 4 hours,
to confess"
No one
William
Your fried was not found guilty of any offence in a court of law.
Therefore he did not do anything wrong. Tell your friend to go pickup
a red VOID stamp for a few $$ Make a copy of the letter Stamp Void
on the origional, and send it back using registered mail.
He needs to be found guilty by a court of law before he becomes
liable and only then, a judge is the only one who can order him to pay.
I would send them a bill for the same amount or more for having to
to do all this paper work etc...
William.
William
without his consent, screaming and kicking telling them to leave him
alone. But, since he agreed to cooperate and follow them upstairs, he was
never detained unlawfully.
IIV
requires a peace officer and crown counsel. Your friend is not obligated to
pay the store anything and, if the story you related is as you say it,
sounds like the store is resorting to extortion. One thing I would
definitely do is get the name of the cashier who was witness to this. She
could be the person who can most support your friend's story. The letter the
store sent your friend could possibly be excellent evidence in a suit
against the store.
As a former store detective I can tell you that the fact that your friend
received a letter asking for money is a VERY unusual scenario, regardless of
his intent to switch different value sticks or not. Your friend should take
the letter and his story to a lawyer. Many lawyers do a first-time
consultation for no charge. Check out BC Legal Aid at this site
http://www.lss.bc.ca/legal_aid/whatis.asp for help on this.
"Some Other Guy" <baby_i...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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Popeye Jones
No mention has been made about that.
William
You will not be able to file a law suit, a lawyer would just look it over
and tell you that they have no grounds to send you that bill and no legal
grounds to continue.
Anyone can send anyone a bill and threaten legal action if you do not pay
up. This is used mainly by creditors, and it seems that this store is just
full of idiots who think that they know where they are doing.
Your friend was never found at fault and never admited fault. Therefore he
is NOT at fault. In the eyes of the legal system, this matter is over. If
anyone from the store or a third party contacts you again about this
matter, it could be considered harasment. I would call the police officer
who attended and explain to him/her what is happening. Tell him that you
feel that you are being harased. Every time you recieve a letter, phone
call, or visit from anyone reguarding this matter call the police and file
another complaint. They will contact the store manager and bitch him out.
Be sure to call the police EVERY time you hear from them. They will work
on your side as long as they need to.
William.
L@@K
"Popeye Jones" <ab...@nospam.com> wrote in message
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Sheldon
>
>As a former store detective I can tell you that the fact that your friend
>received a letter asking for money is a VERY unusual scenario,
No, it's becoming standard policy for stores to do this. I've seen it on the news a
few times. The first time was a few years ago.
This isn't a criminal case, this is a civil case; different rules apply.
I do agree that it is a form of harassment, but shoplifting is a real cost and the
stores are doing what they can to reduce it.
If the person has any intent on suing, he had better call a lawyer immediately.
Some Other Guy
ok he saw a price for 200$
but considering all the sticks were 20$ he thought it was mislabeled
so he asked the cashier how much is it
doesnt scan so she makes him get him a new one
then that doesnt scan so she tells him to get anyone because they are all
20$
so he gets it
as he walks out the store manaager ask him how much it is
shows the receipt
securty comes and brings him upstairs and detains him for 4 hours
they make him stay in a stupid lil room and keeping on accusing him of
"Playing hockey" and he should automitically assume that these hockey sticks
are these prices
at first he was force to sign a letter giving his rights
they let him go after the store closes with a 20$ hockey stick instead
and he gets a letter mailed on the aug 26 whichc doesnt come to him til sept
9 saying he has to pay by sept 15 which is almsot impossible to send it by
that date
hellrazor
Please tell us what store this is.. wouldn't want to deal with fucking
jackasses that go around extortioning the public with that kind of shit.
Some Other Guy
"hellrazor" <jo...@another-world.com> wrote in message
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Gordon Scott
being held four hours is a crime, I'd sue them.
Gordon
Gordon Scott
send them a bill for the 4 hrs detention.
IIV
"policies" over the years.
It's unfortunate your friend signed the form but no matter which way you
look at it, asking sombody to pay $300 under threat of being prosecuted is
extortion in our society, and extortion is not legal -- except by the
government, of course. Last time I checked, Superstore were not the
government and could not issue "fines".
Also, before your friend could be taken upstairs by security they would have
had to explain his legal rights to him. If they did not, then that is
another matter which they should be taken to task for.
"Some Other Guy" <baby_i...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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Larry
Agreed, if this story is true he'd either win a bundle or settle for a bundle.
AL
not to pay this amout. As well, if I were him I would counter sue for
damages.
"Some Other Guy" <baby_i...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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Brad
> > REAL CANADIAN SUPERSTORE @ MARINE DRIVE
> Ahh, those pricks. I have heard numerous complaints about their security
> "policies" over the years.
Here's another complaint about them then. This is one is from me
personally.
Back in the good old days when i was about 16, I was in there and me and my
friend had security come running up after us outside. The guy is saying "Hey
wait up" like hes friendly. Says hes with security, in plain clothes, and
flashes some kind of ID for about a 1/2 second and asks "Please come with
us". I look behind me to see 2 guys in plain clothes at least 250 pounds
each.
Right there is an intimidation factor of 750 pounds of muscle between the 3
of them, and myself and my friend are under 140 each... So that 'going
willingly' part that was mentioned in a previous post is expected by 2 young
kids seeing that they are worried that they may get badly jumped.
Troy
I woulden't have signed anything or even talked to them.I would have told
them if the police are not here in 15 minutes I am walking out.If the
security guys lay a hand on you you give them a $200.00 hockey stick in the
head.
As far as paying them $300.00 I would tell them to take him to court.
What happened with the store employee who brought this all on???.....what
did she say???
I had a run in with a mall security guard years ago who brought me to "the
room".I refused to sign anything and after 5 minutes told him I was
leaving,as I didn't do anything wrong.He jumped in front of me in the mall
area and pushed me back.....well.....I layed him out in front of everyone
and told him I will be sitting in the food court waiting for the cops.The
cops came and took my side.
Damn.....I should have sued that mall I had about 10 witnesses that were
backing me up and the mall manager would not even return my calls.
Store security can be such assholes.
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Marc Woons
hours of detention. Heads downt he whole time.
Troy
$200.00 I can't see them selling a whole lote of them.
Cloaked <Cloaked...@NOSAPM.yahoo.ca> wrote in message
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> Why the heck would RCSS sell a $200 Hockey stick? That is just nuts.
> Sounds like they brought all this on themselves.
>
> On Thu, 11 Sep 2003 09:02:19 GMT, wha...@aol.com wrote:
>
> >On Wed, 10 Sep 2003 16:30:04 GMT, "L@@K" <NO.SPAM...@shaw.ca>
> >wrote:
> >
> >> Supermarkets sell $200. hockeysticks?
> >
> >Don't tell me it's those one piece Synergy sticks. Apparently a lot
> >of people were doing the peel and save on these sticks. You know put
> >a $20 tag on a $200 stick. So I guess they wanted to take it out on
> >someone.
>
Dave
It is the responsibility of the merchant to price, post, train and
understand their product lines, NOT the customers. They may wish to try
and read the portions of the Consumer Act that apply.
Hence the 'civil' action, instead of the criminal action. Crown Counsel
would look and this matter and go ape shit on any police agency that
forwarded such a matter to them to consider.
If I go to a car dealership and ask a salesman the price of a car and he
says, 'I dunno', then I say,
well how much for another car?', and he says 'I dunno', then says 'well
go and grab any car they are all the same price', so I go and grab me
some sweet red Lambo, pay my $xx, and drive off, I have now committed
'fraud', and am likely to need to pay the dealer damages in civil court???
God, I don't think that would even fly in california, which NEEDS
serious Tort reform...
Get a grip.
maildm...@gmail.com
> LOL
> I woulden't have signed anything or even talked to them.I would have told
> them if the police are not here in 15 minutes I am walking out.If the
> security guys lay a hand on you you give them a $200.00 hockey stick in the
> head.
>
> As far as paying them $300.00 I would tell them to take him to court.
>
> What happened with the store employee who brought this all on???.....what
> did she say???
>
> I had a run in with a mall security guard years ago who brought me to "the
> room".I refused to sign anything and after 5 minutes told him I was
> leaving,as I didn't do anything wrong.He jumped in front of me in the mall
> area and pushed me back.....well.....I layed him out in front of everyone
> and told him I will be sitting in the food court waiting for the cops.The
> cops came and took my side.
>
> Damn.....I should have sued that mall I had about 10 witnesses that were
> backing me up and the mall manager would not even return my calls.
>
> Store security can be such assholes.