my next question : What is the primary purpose of doing all these sadhana (spiritual practice) ?

[Karthikeyan J]

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From: Raja B. Kumara Guru Samy
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Subject: my next question
To: Karthikeyan J <karthikey...@googlemail.com>

Hi karthik anna,

 

            Thanks for the answers to my questions. It was really happy to see answers from our group members. Thanks to everyone.

 

            Here is my another question.

 

            What is the primary purpose of doing all these sadhana (spiritual practice) ?

 

            In other words

 

Why we should do these type of spiritual practice (like praying, reading thiruvasagam, meditating, eating veg food and so on..)? What is the thing that we are going to attain?

 

If there is any wrong in my question, please apologize.. I am a spiritual illiterate who is seeking for true knowledge.

 

 

Thanks & Regards,

Raja.B

அருட்பெருஞ்ஜோதி அருட்பெருஞ்ஜோதி
தனிப்பெருங்கருணை அருட்பெருஞ்ஜோதி

[senthil kumar]

Hi Raja,

 

Why we should do these type of spiritual practice (like praying, reading thiruvasagam, meditating, eating veg food and so on..)? What is the thing that we are going to attain?

 

 

My thought on your question is....

 

First forget about what we are going to attain??? If you think that by doing meditation you will get this and that then you will not be able to feel even what is meditation is???? It is to experience. It is to feel. 

 

(like praying, reading thiruvasagam, meditating, eating veg food and so on..) -- Dont doubt these great things. Simply Trust...Have a trust dont ever doubt.....With wholehearted if you have practiced these things you would have not asked this question.

 

Practice it,,,very soon you come to know, your questions will be cleared/answered by your own experience on Meditation.Existence will clear all your doubts then and then.

 

Thanks,

 

Senthil Kumar Packirisamy

[G.kal...@airtel.in]

அருட்பெருஞ்ஜோதி அருட்பெருஞ்ஜோதி
தனிப்பெருங்கருணை அருட்பெருஞ்ஜோதி

Wow!! Fantastic answer Mr.senthil kumar.

 i want share to u all which i felf

 Even same question  arrised to me few months bk also i thought of asking this to u and forgot  to ask .just believe me i just continued to  reading thiruvasagam, meditating, eating veg food and  poor feeding daily so on, i didnot get these kind of thinking after that  by அருட்பெருஞ்ஜோதி  Andavar ..if u belive அருட்பெருஞ்ஜோதி  Andavar truly, he will give the all the answer by U MR.RAJA. THATS HIS POWER  and i am really very happy to give this info to u all that அருட்பெருஞ்ஜோதி  Andavar given me such a wonderful chance to asking this question by mr.raja..answered  by Mr.senthil kumar. this is exmpl.,of his power. as mr.sentil said

                                                                                                    "Dont doubt these great things. Simply Trust"

அருட்பெருஞ்ஜோதி அருட்பெருஞ்ஜோதி
தனிப்பெருங்கருணை அருட்பெருஞ்ஜோதி

எல்லா உயிர்களும் இன்புற்று வாழ்க


With Warm Regards,
      KALAI

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Hi karthik anna,

 

 

            In other words

 

 

 

Thanks & Regards,

Raja.B

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[Sukumar S]

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Happy to have seen Anbar Senthil's reply. Yes. In Gnana margam we have to tread the path shown by the greatest saint Vallalar who has no parallel in showering Anbu and Dhayavu on all living beings. True, one has to practise the tenets of Vallalar and in course of time the God within us will guide us to the path of Gnanam. As he says we have to practise sincerely and the Truth will unfold gradually. In these days of degenerated socities and materialistic values ,we have to keep ourselves away from the maddenning crowd and practise what Vallalar has very kindly taught us with motherly love. I am sure many devotees of Vallalar initiated newly will have such nagging questions in their mind. I would request experienced Sanmargees to guide them.

Willing to send replies

Anbudan

S.Sukumar

2008/9/23 senthil kumar <senthil...@gmail.com>

[Karthikeyan J]

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Hi senthil ,

                I have few doubts with your answer.

 

"First forget about what we are going to attain"

 

People say this statement because of two reasons.

1.       They really don't know what they are going to attain. In other words we don't know what is truth.

2.        And one more reason is there is nothing there to attain. Everything is there with you and within you. You need to find  it.

 

(like praying, reading thiruvasagam, meditating, eating veg food and so on..)

 

These basic purpose of praying, reading and meditating it to make a man thoughtless. But when you do this you can't be thoughtless rather you will get the thought of divine. Its like "There is a wall in which several posters are being pasted, in order to avoid it they will put a board 'stick no bills'. This 'stick no bills' itself an advertisement which helps us to stop other advertisement. " Like that in order to stop our worldy thoughts, people made us to read books and asked as to pray.

 

And regarding food, there is a fact 'you are what you eat'. Your food affects your character. So people are made to eat satvic food. If you eat any meat, you will be affected by the thoughts of that meat. In order to get rid of this, people are made to eat veg food.

It is impossible for human to blindly trust on anything. We should use the power of discrimination. Then only we will get maturity which comes by means of right understanding. At the same time, when you read and imitate as what is said in books, you are losing your individuality, your uniqueness. Everything is unique, vallalar is unique, ramana maharishi is unique and every one…

 

This is my opinion, I am sorry if I am wrong.

Thanks,

Raja.B

With KindRegards,
Karthikeyan.J

[sivaraman duraivelu]

Sir,

The very purpose of human birth  is to reach the next stage in the  evolution cycle. i.e. as was mentioned in St. Manikkavasagar's " Sivapuranam"    our birth stages are as follows: Grass, worm, tree, bird, snake, stone, human being, spirit, ganagalai, val asuraraagi, saint and devar.  (Please read Sivapuranam for exact wordings)

we came across all the above mentioned births and  reached this human birth,  from human being we have to reach god.  This is also symbolically mentioned in Mahabaratha as Dasa Avatharam of Lord Vishnu which is nothing but evolution theory. 

Purpose of human birth is to come out of  this birth and death cycle of our soul according to our good and bad deeds and  reach god but, for this purpose we have to do sadhana like St. Vallalar told in his scriptures chanting the Lords name, meditating, etc.,

Note:  We all of us reached this human shape after crossing various living beings, in millions of years, so we should not waste this birth, we have to utilise this rare human birth to reach the next stage of evolution. This is what our saints Practised, preached and attained.

With regards

sivaraman
chennai








 

2008/9/26 Karthikeyan J <karthikey...@googlemail.com>

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sivaraman

[Saravanan MC]

Hello Mr.Sivaraman,

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Clearly understood the concept, If possible can you clear my doubt ?

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It's about, human beings like us everybody wishes are not common, but some wishes to go into knowledge

way (Gnana Margam, Aanmiga Margam). For example if a human being (male / female) wishes to get

the deathless body (Maranamilla PerumVazhvu).

 

He/She is following the way which Vallalar says, the steps/ path way to deathless body. For Vallalar dhayavu takes

12 years to attain the stage.

 

During the practising period, if suppose death causes to he/she ? What will happen ? What stage they will be ?

Whether he/she will birth again? If so happen mean which birth will occur (grass, tree, human, etc. . .) ?

 

I wrong please correct me !

 

 

Thanks & Regards,

Saravanan MC
+91-0-9840922085
saravanan.mc@gmail.com

2008/9/26 sivaraman duraivelu <shi...@gmail.com>

[sivaraman duraivelu]

Respected Thiru Saravanan,

We have got this rare human birth according to our good and bad deeds in our previous birth,  as u said  if a person die  while practicing " dayavu " within that 12 years period, he will again born and continue his work in the next birth in what ever form he takes.
 If all of us who r following St.Vallalar in this birth it is because of our devotion to St. Vallalar and practising dayavu in our previous birth which we continue in this birth,  and another reason, is like St. Manickavasagar quoted in " Sivapuranam"  " Avan Arulale Avan thaal Vanagi "  only if we have God's will we will be able worship him with devotion.  Otherwise we will be engaged and addicted in some other worldly work. 
So like Sri Aurobindo quoted we have to offer all our work to God.  with full faith and devotion. and follow truth under all cirumstances.

With regards

Sivaraman

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sivaraman

[Lokam samastham sukhinobhavanthu Master C.V.V. Namaskaram]

Why we should do these type of spiritual practice (like praying, reading thiruvasagam, meditating, eating veg food and so on..)? What is the thing that we are going to attain?

I am presenting my openion here below with reference to my experience......................

The whole creation is started from a single origin, which we can call as Adi Brahman.
The state of origin is Awyaktha  or Non-expressive.
From that state the whole of creation is done.
That clearly indicates that the creation as different , Galaxies , stars , planets, elements and life can be defined as siblings.
Mind is developed in human beings through which we started thinking about our origin.
First of all we noticed that we are different from the creator, even though there is no difference between these.
With that thought several methods were tried to find the origin both spiritually and scientifically.
For scientific search certain technical back ground is necessary to identify and prove the truth.
Where as spiritual growth does not need any of such back grounds.
A simple belief is enough to lead one to move forward.
In this Bhakthi yoga, prayers, Gnana yoga, Dhyan yoga are different methods to achieve the goal, in which people started feeling peace.
When started doing meditation, realized that one can travel in ( Antar mukh ) so that many embedded truths are revealed to human conscious and realized that even outter travel or Bhaya mukh is also possible with meditation.
With these two methods one realized that The whole physical body is a representative of the whole creation and every thing is with in this body it self.
Then the practicner realized that we are energy bodies enclosed in physical bodies.
Many energy centres are invloved in proper functioning of all the bodies and some external source is flowing into our bodies and it is controlling every thing.
Further realized that one can do astral travel, or visualize many past, present and future incidents, while pracicing meditation.
So by this method one can realize the origin or the prime crator.
All animals are also like human beings which have conscious , mind  and every hing and they were also created from the same source.
Hence eating and killing animals , disturb their natural progress process which make us to carry bad karma.
Bad karma cause some pain and unhappy ness.
If being an vegetarian one can avoid such negative energies into our bodies sothat can lead peaceful life before achiveing the final goal.
Thank you all,
Ganesh B V

2008/9/23 Karthikeyan J <karthikey...@googlemail.com>

[Saravanan MC]

Hello Mr.Sivaraman,

 

Thanks for the understanding.

 

Let me roll understanding, as you said if death happens while pracitising for "Dhayavu", again we will get birth and continue the last thing. My doubt is exactly *(while pracising "Dhayavu")* the death happening for that human body, the Aathma belongs to the human body, which birth will take ? Whether it will decide by the Good & Bad karma according to the last births ! What will be the exact happeing ?

 

Sorry, If I am asking silly. Bcoz, most of the great aathama's told in their experience words, all the birth of aathamas (means taking the physical body) deciding by the aathama only. God (The Paramporul) it is truth just an evidence for all the happenings in and around.

 

Where is the judgement ??? Karma's (both Bad & Good) or Aathama ????????? Who is the decider !!!

 

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Regards,

Saravanan MC
+91-0-9840922085
saravanan.mc@gmail.com

2008/10/3 sivaraman duraivelu <shi...@gmail.com>

[Saravanan MC]

Hello Mr.Sivaraman,

 

Thanks for the understanding.

 

Let me roll understanding, as you said if death happens while pracitising for "Dhayavu", again we will get birth and continue the last thing. My doubt is exactly *(while pracising "Dhayavu")* the death happening for that human body, the Aathma belongs to the human body, which birth will take ? Whether it will decide by the Good & Bad karma according to the last births ! What will be the exact happeing ?

 

Sorry, If I am asking silly. Bcoz, most of the great aathama's told in their experience words, all the birth of aathamas (means taking the physical body) deciding by the aathama only. God (The Paramporul) it is truth just an evidence for all the happenings in and around.

 

Where is the judgement ??? Karma's (both Bad & Good) or Aathama ????????? Who is the decider !!!

 

--

Regards,

Saravanan MC
+91-0-9840922085
saravanan.mc@gmail.com

2008/10/3 sivaraman duraivelu <shi...@gmail.com>

[sivaraman duraivelu]

Thiru Saravanan

If we start practising " Dhayavu"  our ' athmaa' automatically progress towards great ' athmaa'.  So if we die we will definitely get human shape in the next birth and continue the process of ' dhayavu' .
Persons who are practising 'dayavu'  will never do bad deeds. 
  So there is no question of him getting some other birth other than human.   
Because " Dhayavu " is in itself a greatest of great penance that was done by our siddhars, and saints.  which was made  easily to us by St. Vallalar.   Since penance is difficult in the present day for us.  That's y Vallalar gave us an easy ' Dhayavu'  which can be practised by all irrespective of religion, caste, gender, age etc., and attain God. 

But unfortunately as St. Vallalar quoted in tamil "  KADAI  VIRITHEN  KOLVAAR ILLAI "  no body wish to follow it  as per St. Vallalar's teaching in FULL FAITH AND DEVOTION. 


With regards

sivaraman

2008/10/6 Saravanan MC <saravanan.mc@gmail.com>

Hello Mr.Sivaraman,

 

Thanks for the understanding.

 

    Persons who are practising 'dayavu'  will never do bad deeds. 
    So there is no question of him getting some other birth other than human.  

--
sivaraman