Are the Egg and Milk Non-Vegetarian?

[Vedha3Yogi]

Dear All,

Vallalar says, the Gnana Mooligai's should be consumed only by
Vegetarian Persons. Why is it?

I heard that Vallalar Said "NO" to Milk also.
But during the night time, after we consume the Karisalai Lekkiyam, we
should drink milk.

Could you please clarify if the Milk and Egg are Veg or Non-Veg?

If Milk is Veg, then Egg should also be Veg. is this a correct
sentence?

If Egg is Non-Veg, then Milk is also Non-Veg. is this a correct
sentence?

Please provide me the scientific reasons if available.

Thank you so much.
Yogeshwar V

[MC Saravanan]

Dear Yogeswar,

As far to my understand EGG can be classify as (karu muttai) as well waste of (karu muttai) like menus which human have.

All the eggs are not getting to chicks. 

So, this is to understand as well to ding your doubt to egg.

Coming to milk, once the milk not extracted from the cow (pasu) there is a chance of stagnantation (kattikollum). Either we feed it to baby cow.

Cow type of animals having 4 layers of digestive system & easily they can manage it. Another cause is chances of getting cold if consumed in night.

All the above points, are welcome for more explanation.

Best Regards,

Saravanan 

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[Ashoken. N.P.]

Dear Yogeshwar,

We cannot listent to, all the time, what science says. It is a matter
of ones mature mind. If you can see that the egg has life inside it,
avoid it and same is for the milk. Vallalar saw life forms in
everything and eventually He stopped eating rice also after sometime I
believe. Listen to your lovely Heart.

Thanks,

Ashoken

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Ashoken. N.P.

[Thinking Hearts]

Hi All

This is the first time i am writing to this group and all the while i have been silently reading and learning from you all. Before i proceed i want to thank you all for the very nice interactions. I want to share few thoughts on non-vegetarian food and about the egg:

There is a highly evolved spiritual school of thought which states: 

Killing animals for eating is not a moral issue and therefore it is morally not wrong in killing animals. For what you think you are killing (jivatman) cannot be killed (since atman is only one and it cannot be created or killed). That remains forever. What you think you are killing (the body of an animal) would die even if you don't kill it. Then is it right to kill animals and eat it? Obviously not. The reasons for not killing are as follows:

1. Every food is recommended or prohibited based on its guna and its effect on us (both and not just one). As we all know each food can be classified as Satvic, Rajasic and Tamasic. So in our scriptures eating non-veg is not prohibited for Kshatriyas and Vaisyas because they need qualities that are rajasic. Let me explain this with an example.

2. Milk is generally accepted as good for all of us. We even pray cows as Komaatha because of milk and other good products that is offered. Cow's ghee is offered in yagas. Lord krishna and Hanuman are always offered butter (vennai). Then too many of the saints including vallalar has prohibited us from drinking milk. Why?

If you want saatvic qualities, meditating and interested in increasing your spiritual power then we need increase the internal heat in the body... ஊனை உருக்கி, உள்ளொளி பெருக்கி. one of the most important physical attribute of a spiritually evolved person is how thin he is. உடம்பு வத்த வேண்டும். I hope you have seen Kanchi periyavar pictures who was so frail and yet a very evolved and revered saint.

Milk's nature is Kapha / Kabham which reduces the heat in the body and hence many saints including vallalar has prohibited us from drinking milk. But if you are in normal worldly life or a kid milk is very much essential. The moral is one person's medicine is other person's poison. Same way egg though it can add lot of protein and fat to our body its essential quality if tamasic. After eating egg for breakfast we would surely feel very sleepy and lethargic. 

So in my opinion instead of attributing a moralistic approach, we need to look at it scientifically (not western science which is very gross but as per our சித்த விஞ்ஞானம். The other aspect which we need to be very clear about is mercy or compassion aspect. When we kill an animal for our hunger or to satisfy our taste buds it is cruel. Mercy, compassion and cruelty are lower emotions which are seated in our nabhi chakra (solar plexus). This energy creates congestion in that chakra.

When kundalini has to rise to the head then it needs a clear path. Sexual thinking / lust is in the swadisthana chakra, lower emotions are in the solar plexus both prevent the energy to rise about. Most of us live our lives in the lower 3 chakras and the awareness does not reach beyond it. That is why most of the sage recommend 2 things:

1. Have compassion and mercy and forgiveness which is an higher emotion seated in the heart. When this feeling manifests then lower emotions are cleaned off and there is no congestion.

2. Sing loudly.... so that the emotions are vented out. காதலாகி கசிந்து கண்ணீர் மல்கி ஓதுவார்.... you have sing loudly or recite slokas loudly. Remember any one cannot start with manthra japas. First it has to be disciplines (Yama and niyama) and then asanas, pranayama to clean the congestions. In bakthi marga it is satsang, bajans to clean the emotions.

So in summary we should interpret everything based on siddha science (which is to know the nature of things and to understand how it affects us). the easier option is to go by what sages and saints have told us, since they knew it all. If eating non-veg is morally wrong then how do we explain a Kannappa nayanar or Gugan (Ramayana) attaining moksha?

I think it has become a long mail, apologies for the same. These are my thoughts. I am enjoying this group keep it going.

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Peace & prosperity,

rags gopalan

Passion driven, reason reigned :)

Piece of my mind @ Thinking Hearts - http://ragsgopalan.blogspot.com

[Vasan Vasu]

Dear Mr.Yogeshwar,

i welcome your interest in vallalar concepts and sanmarkam.

our concept is very clear dont eat dead bodies and make your holy body a place of dubbing dead bodies.

dont analyse too much about the nature, the milk is secreted in every mothers (human,animals,etc..)breast is to feed her child.

no one is teaching the newly born cow or a dog etc.. to drink the mother milk from the breast, its a god nature.

if u drink milk from a cow you become a child of that holy cow you should thank the cow for the milk. think in that manner and you are not at all hurting the cow for drinking the milk.

but egg is not like that there is a soul inside the egg.

muttai vaipaiyulum mulum uyir thiralgalai attamey katharul arutpermujothi..

sorry for typing in english pls refer agaval for the above sentence.

Thanks & Regards,

Vasu

[Vedha3Yogi]

Dear Thinking Heart,
and
Dear Vasan Vasu,

Explanation from you both are found logical for me.

Its really a new way of thinking, new way of explanation, and new way
of understanding.

I sincerely thank the consciousness of you both.

Regards,
Yogeshwar

On Jan 7, 2:09 pm, Vasan Vasu <mr.pva...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Dear Mr.Yogeshwar,
>
> i welcome your interest in vallalar concepts and sanmarkam.
>

> *our concept is very clear dont eat dead bodies and make your holy body a
> place of dubbing dead bodies.*

>
> dont analyse too much about the nature, the milk is secreted in every
> mothers (human,animals,etc..)breast is to feed her child.
>

> *no one is teaching the newly born cow or a dog etc.. to drink the mother
> milk from the breast, its a god nature.*

>
> if u drink milk from a cow you become a child of that holy cow you should
> thank the cow for the milk. think in that manner and you are not at all
> hurting the cow for drinking the milk.
>
> but egg is not like that there is a soul inside the egg.
>

> muttai vaipaiyulum mulum *uyir* thiralgalai attamey katharul

> arutpermujothi..
>
> sorry for typing in english pls refer agaval for the above sentence.
>
> Thanks & Regards,
>
> Vasu
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> On Thu, Jan 5, 2012 at 7:41 AM, Ashoken. N.P. <ashoke...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > Dear Yogeshwar,
>
> > We cannot listent to, all the time, what science says.  It is a matter
> > of ones mature mind.  If you can see that the egg has life inside it,
> > avoid it and same is for the milk.  Vallalar saw life forms in
> > everything and eventually He stopped eating rice also after sometime I
> > believe.  Listen to your lovely Heart.
>
> > Thanks,
>
> > Ashoken
>

> > On 1/4/12, MC Saravanan <saravanan...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > Dear Yogeswar,
>
> > > As far to my understand EGG can be classify as (karu muttai) as well
> > waste
> > > of (karu muttai) like menus which human have.
>
> > > All the eggs are not getting to chicks.
>
> > > So, this is to understand as well to ding your doubt to egg.
>
> > > Coming to milk, once the milk not extracted from the cow (pasu) there is
> > a
> > > chance of stagnantation (kattikollum). Either we feed it to baby cow.
>
> > > Cow type of animals having 4 layers of digestive system & easily they can
> > > manage it. Another cause is chances of getting cold if consumed in night.
>
> > > All the above points, are welcome for more explanation.
>
> > > Best Regards,
>
> > > Saravanan
>
> > > Mail transmitted from Apple OS for iPhone.
>

[Ashoken. N.P.]

Dear Rags Gopalan,

You shouldn't be silent. I thank you for sharing your thoughts, which
resonates with deeper understanding and maturity.

Thanks,

Ashoken NP

[sayeeganesh juttusaibabasubramanian]

DEAR ALL
         WHEN ONE CONSUMES EGG HE IS COMMITTING TWO SINS, THEY ARE KILLING A LIFE AND CONSUMING ANIMAL PROTEIN WHICH LOWERS THE MIND, AS FAR AS MILK IS CONCERNED IT IS RESTRICTED TO YOGIS NOT TO ORDINARY PEOPLE,
DAYAVUDAN
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