ANIME-X-PRESS
Andy Kim
Hey guys. I was wondering if you are producing another issue of
Anime-X-Press? I missed it in the last term :(
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Caroline Kierstead
In article <Pine.SUN.3.95q.98031...@cayley.uwaterloo.ca>,
Andy Kim <a2...@cayley.uwaterloo.ca> wrote:
>Hey guys. I was wondering if you are producing another issue of
>Anime-X-Press? I missed it in the last term :(
Probably not, though I'd love to be proven wrong. Funny how
not having (almost) any submissions tends to kill a newsletter,
especially when last term's editor loses what few submissions
there were (no, I'm not bitter Chuck, not hardly).
Charles Lim
In article <Epq2L...@undergrad.math.uwaterloo.ca>, ctki...@undergrad.math.uwaterloo.ca (Caroline Kierstead) writes:
> Probably not, though I'd love to be proven wrong. Funny how
> not having (almost) any submissions tends to kill a newsletter,
> especially when last term's editor loses what few submissions
> there were (no, I'm not bitter Chuck, not hardly).
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...submissions are not in any way responsiblity of the ex-editors...
Kinda makes you wonder where this came from, eh?
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Caroline Kierstead
In article <88979968...@globe.uwaterloo.ca>,
the material. When you passed on the job, you should have passed on
the material as well. Don't try and shift the blame now.
Ian Kim
There will probably be no AX this term...wait, the show it today...make
that, there IS not AX this term. ^_^ I could have saved it by submitting
my manga, but I've recently discovered that I don't have a high resolution
version of the second page...and I do not have the time to recolour the
scan. If that didn't make any sence, don't worry about it. ^_^
L8R
P.S. everyone please keep their sarcastic wit to themselves during the
show. Thanks! ^_^
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> P.S. everyone please keep their sarcastic wit to themselves during the
> show. Thanks! ^_^
I'd like the second that motion...
Quang Lai
In article <Pine.SUN.3.95q.98032...@cayley.uwaterloo.ca>,
Andy Kim <a2...@cayley.uwaterloo.ca> wrote:
>> P.S. everyone please keep their sarcastic wit to themselves during the
>> show. Thanks! ^_^
>
>I'd like the second that motion...
I don't think the yappers read the newsgroup - I complained about this a
few terms ago and am not surprised that it's still going on (the yapping
that is). The sad thing is that you can't seem to shake these people -
don't they have co-op?, or take the summer off?, maybe it's a conspiracy
and they are rotating amongst themselves. :)
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Annamae Lang
Andy Kim wrote:
>
> > P.S. everyone please keep their sarcastic wit to themselves during the
> > show. Thanks! ^_^
>
> I'd like the second that motion...
I guess a lot of us feel this way.
There were a lot of moans and comments during parts of BlackJack, as if
they were trying to say it isn't believable.
I really liked the two episodes of BlackJack I have seen this term at
CTRL-A, and I would like to see more! I would like to remind those who
made the comments that there are lots of TV shows today which have
unbelievable plots and climaxes. The first show that comes to mind that
no doubt many of them watch, is The X-Files.
As far as I'm concerned, the last BlackJack episode seemed more
believable than about half of the X-Files episodes I've seen.
Anyway, those of us who do read the newsgroups at least know to keep the
comments to ourselves, but I suppose without formally standing at the
front and saying, "Please don't say rude comments, etc..." before the
show, then I guess we'll have to put up with it.
....
There is one other tactic, but we're all too sophisticated to try it, I
think. Someone could just yell at them when it happens.
Annamae Lang
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In article <351FD2...@undergrad.math.uwaterloo.ca>,
Annamae Lang <akl...@undergrad.math.uwaterloo.ca> wrote:
>I guess a lot of us feel this way.
>
>There were a lot of moans and comments during parts of BlackJack, as if
>they were trying to say it isn't believable.
Well, when you finally find out the story of the little girl Blackjack
takes care of, you'll say it too. At least the medical terms seem well
researched.
>I really liked the two episodes of BlackJack I have seen this term at
>CTRL-A, and I would like to see more! I would like to remind those who
>made the comments that there are lots of TV shows today which have
>unbelievable plots and climaxes. The first show that comes to mind that
>no doubt many of them watch, is The X-Files.
I was thinking Psi Factor. (Go Dan!)
>Anyway, those of us who do read the newsgroups at least know to keep the
>comments to ourselves, but I suppose without formally standing at the
>front and saying, "Please don't say rude comments, etc..." before the
>show, then I guess we'll have to put up with it.
>
>....
>
>There is one other tactic, but we're all too sophisticated to try it, I
>think. Someone could just yell at them when it happens.
Sophisticated techiniques only work when your opposite is capable of
understanding. Personally I'd like to stage a formal "Soap - your
neglected friend" session with some of our members.
J.
Ian Kim
On Mon, 30 Mar 1998, Annamae Lang wrote:
> Andy Kim wrote:
> >
> > > P.S. everyone please keep their sarcastic wit to themselves during the
> > > show. Thanks! ^_^
> >
> > I'd like the second that motion...
>
>
> I guess a lot of us feel this way.
Well, I'm thankful to J.P for tell people to keep it down at the beginning
of the show...else I would have had to get nasty. ^_^ All in all, the
noise level at this show as an improvement over the previous two. ^_^
> There were a lot of moans and comments during parts of BlackJack, as if
> they were trying to say it isn't believable.
I think the moans were not because it was unbelievable, but because it was
a little cliche..? I don't think anything was really cliche (heck, I
didn't know what was causing her to get sick ^_^;;), but it's a bit
unbelievable she didn't tell them she was bitten by a rat! Geez, has she
never heard of rabis?! ^_^;;
I liked that episode overall, and I'm getting
use to the dubbing (though I still prefer the deep japanese voice
for Blackjack). ^_^ Anyone notice the woman VA was the same VA for Myung
in Macross Plus? ^_^ The added twist of this rival doctor was also great,
though I which he played a bigger part in the plot...there really was
never any danger of the girl killing herself since she was out of dough.
:P
Hmm..as for the other shows...
Well, Patlabor first season isn't as funny as the second season, but I
liked it nonetheless. The crowd didn't seem overly pleased with the
episodes shown, but I liked it! ^_^ Sometimes one needs a break from
comedy, and settle down for some political drama and suspense. The brief
comedic bits (like Ohta chewing up the highway only to carve a path to his
own destruction without harming a single rebel) were enough to prevent the
anime from getting _too_ dreary. ^_^
Captain Tylor is an idiot. ^_^ Very funny...interesting how the rough and
tough marine with a mohawk has a pink mecha! ^o^ And for those that don't
know any better, the flag is a planet and a star, NOT a tomato! ^^ I get
this feeling however that a few more episodes down the road I'll start
hating Captain Tylor like I hate Bugs bunny...he just gets away with
everything!
I didn't like Final Fantasy at first, but I found the conclusion to be
very satisfying. The ending lagged a little (how many times must he
die?!) but it was worth it just to see the good ol 'chop-chop-pose' (a la
Voltron) scene. That punk kid has a lot of guts, and one _huge_ sword!
Now when is Square (Hawaii) going to release the Final Fantasy VII movie?
^_^
Evangelion was good, as usual...the second of the two we watched was a
little choppy, but it was a summary so that's okay. ^_^ The first episode
was tence and very well done. The music that accompanied the "battle of
computers" added nicely to the overall effect. I'm not really sure I want
to see the rest..I kinda know what happens at the very end, and boy is it
depressing. ^^;;
Key..I didn't find it as interesting as the previous episodes, but that
producer man who wants to manage Key is one sick little puppy. ^^;; The
trip to Key's house was eerie and well done. Thankfully, I didn't find
the ending of episode 11 too suspenseful (else I'd be thinking about it
right now! ^^;;). Actually, I can't even remember how episode 11 ended.
^^;;
Was that it? Okay, good job gang! Next term I'm gonna win first prize!
<eg>
Joseph C. Chen
Ian Kim wrote:
> Key..I didn't find it as interesting as the previous episodes, but that
> producer man who wants to manage Key is one sick little puppy. ^^;; The
> trip to Key's house was eerie and well done. Thankfully, I didn't find
> the ending of episode 11 too suspenseful (else I'd be thinking about it
> right now! ^^;;). Actually, I can't even remember how episode 11 ended.
> ^^;;
Key had just walked into the door at the video store where Sakura works, at the
end of episode 11.Actually, we played eps. 12 during the weekend.
> Was that it? Okay, good job gang! Next term I'm gonna win first prize!
> <eg>
Ganbare!
Joseph
Ian Kim
On Mon, 30 Mar 1998, J.P. Brichta wrote:
> In article <351FD2...@undergrad.math.uwaterloo.ca>,
> Annamae Lang <akl...@undergrad.math.uwaterloo.ca> wrote:
> >I guess a lot of us feel this way.
> >
> >There were a lot of moans and comments during parts of BlackJack, as if
> >they were trying to say it isn't believable.
>
> Well, when you finally find out the story of the little girl Blackjack
> takes care of, you'll say it too. At least the medical terms seem well
> researched.
Did she find the fountain of youth? ^_^ Damn, she looks pretty young for
18 (unless she lied in ep. 1)
[snip]
> >There is one other tactic, but we're all too sophisticated to try it, I
> >think. Someone could just yell at them when it happens.
Deparate times call for desparate measures. ^_-
> Sophisticated techiniques only work when your opposite is capable of
> understanding. Personally I'd like to stage a formal "Soap - your
> neglected friend" session with some of our members.
"Me pissed. You shut up." I think that's simple enough to understand.
^.^ (I'm all for that soap session ^_^)
-Ian Kim
now go look at my homepage everybody! ^-^
Darwin Ouyang
In article <Pine.SOL.3.95q.98033...@picard.math.uwaterloo.ca>,
Ian Kim <ik...@picard.math.uwaterloo.ca> wrote:
>> There were a lot of moans and comments during parts of BlackJack, as if
>> they were trying to say it isn't believable.
>I think the moans were not because it was unbelievable, but because it was
>a little cliche..? I don't think anything was really cliche (heck, I
>didn't know what was causing her to get sick ^_^;;), but it's a bit
>unbelievable she didn't tell them she was bitten by a rat! Geez, has she
>never heard of rabis?! ^_^;;
I was much less impressed with this Blackjack than the last one. (I think
it was BlackJack 5?) That was a stunning episode.
Darwin Ouyang
Joseph C. Chen
Ian Kim wrote:
> > Well, when you finally find out the story of the little girl Blackjack
> > takes care of, you'll say it too. At least the medical terms seem well
> > researched.
>
> Did she find the fountain of youth? ^_^ Damn, she looks pretty young for
> 18 (unless she lied in ep. 1)
Blackjack cut her out of her sister's body, where she had lived all her life
(18-20 years), and gave her a whole body - the body of a child.
Joseph
Darcy Casselman
In article <EqnFG...@watserv3.uwaterloo.ca>,
J.P. Brichta <jpob...@sciborg.uwaterloo.ca> wrote:
>>
>>There were a lot of moans and comments during parts of BlackJack, as if
>>they were trying to say it isn't believable.
>
>takes care of, you'll say it too. At least the medical terms seem well
>researched.
Check this out. From Last week's Globe and Mail, Social Studies page:
(http://www.theglobeandmail.com/docs/news/19980325/SocialStudies/fass.html)
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Ask a journalist
My little brother is always getting into my stuff. Any sympathy?
Not really. In 1997, 15-year-old Hicham Rageb of Egypt had an operation to
remove a suspected tumour. Surgeons found that Rageb had the embryo of his
twin brother in his belly, where it had developed over 15 weeks of his
mother's pregnancy.
Sources: The Medical Post, Britain's Focus magazine.
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Cool, huh? Truth can be as unbelievable as fiction...
ttyl.
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Paul Chrysler
>Annamae Lang <akl...@undergrad.math.uwaterloo.ca> wrote:
>>I guess a lot of us feel this way.
>>
>>they were trying to say it isn't believable.
Okay, I may be one of the people you're directing this comment
at, so I'll explain myself a little.
Overall, I was very impressed with the tone and story of
Blackjack--until the last ten minutes or so, when it became so
unbelievable that I found it genuinely humourous. And, in the fashion
of humans everywhere, I laughed at something that I thought was funny.
I also groaned at something I found cheesy.
>Well, when you finally find out the story of the little girl Blackjack
>takes care of, you'll say it too. At least the medical terms seem well
>researched.
Really? I don't know many people, even in the medical
profession, who would say "systemic lupus erythmosis" instead of
"widespread red, ulcerous lesions". Both phrases use medical
terminology, but one is more obfuscated. Too stress the point further,
just which part of the limbic system is supposed to be close to the
chiasma opticum?
>>I really liked the two episodes of BlackJack I have seen this term at
>>CTRL-A, and I would like to see more! I would like to remind those who
>>made the comments that there are lots of TV shows today which have
>>unbelievable plots and climaxes. The first show that comes to mind that
>>no doubt many of them watch, is The X-Files.
Don't forget anything to do with "Star Trek"!
>>Anyway, those of us who do read the newsgroups at least know to keep the
>>comments to ourselves, but I suppose without formally standing at the
>>front and saying, "Please don't say rude comments, etc..." before the
>>show, then I guess we'll have to put up with it.
Since I don't recall any rude comments during BlackJack, I have
to assume you were referring to me and some friends who were laughing
near the end. I'm sorry if you found it disruptive, but I won't
apologize for doing it--it was a natural reaction, as much as when I
laugh during Tylor of Patlabor with the rest of the audience.
--Paul 'Prof Peril' Chrysler
--Ichiban Hino Rei no otaku!
J.P. Brichta
In article <EqpAG...@undergrad.math.uwaterloo.ca>,
Paul Chrysler <pech...@calum.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> wrote:
> Really? I don't know many people, even in the medical
>profession, who would say "systemic lupus erythmosis" instead of
>"widespread red, ulcerous lesions". Both phrases use medical
>terminology, but one is more obfuscated. Too stress the point further,
>just which part of the limbic system is supposed to be close to the
>chiasma opticum?
Ever watch Northern Exposure? It would seem (at least in as far as the
popular portrayal of knowledgable doctors) that the better the doctor is,
the more likely s/he is to begin medi-speak. Since Blackjack's comments
should be considered like journal entries i.e. to himself at a later date,
there is no particular reason why he wouldn't speak that way; he'd
certainly understand.
> Since I don't recall any rude comments during BlackJack, I have
>to assume you were referring to me and some friends who were laughing
>near the end. I'm sorry if you found it disruptive, but I won't
>apologize for doing it--it was a natural reaction, as much as when I
>laugh during Tylor of Patlabor with the rest of the audience.
Well, I think she was referring to inappropriate behaviour -- generally,
you aren't supposed to laugh during a horror movie (or dramatic thriller
in this case).
On a somewhat related issue, I still remember last term when a _great many
people_ groaned et al. during the third episode of Blackjack when one of
the characters was using a South/Central American accent. The character
is from that part of the world!! If they had wanted to be accurate, the
original Japanese dialogue would have done the same thing (they didn't).
In terms of the context it made perfect sense, but some people would just
rather hear Japanese because "it sounds better". How so? I cannot
understand this.
J.
Jackie Kwong
> Blackjack cut her out of her sister's body, where she had lived all her life
> (18-20 years), and gave her a whole body - the body of a child.
Whoa, whoa, whoa... is this in the manga or in the anime? Now this I
gotta see!
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DemonStalker_and_the_Mallet_O_Doom
Joseph C. Chen wrote:
> Ian Kim wrote:
>
> > > Well, when you finally find out the story of the little girl Blackjack
> > > takes care of, you'll say it too. At least the medical terms seem well
> > > researched.
> >
> > Did she find the fountain of youth? ^_^ Damn, she looks pretty young for
> > 18 (unless she lied in ep. 1)
>
> Blackjack cut her out of her sister's body, where she had lived all her life
> (18-20 years), and gave her a whole body - the body of a child.
Given this, I still think of it as rather... sickening when she comes on to BJ &
other men.
Just my opinion...
Dan
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In article <Eqqu8...@watserv3.uwaterloo.ca>,
J.P. Brichta <jpob...@sciborg.uwaterloo.ca> wrote:
>
>Ever watch Northern Exposure? It would seem (at least in as far as the
>popular portrayal of knowledgable doctors) that the better the doctor is,
>the more likely s/he is to begin medi-speak. Since Blackjack's comments
>should be considered like journal entries i.e. to himself at a later date,
>there is no particular reason why he wouldn't speak that way; he'd
>certainly understand.
Let's face it: they do it to sound cool. That's all. Blackjack
never aspires to realism. At least they're honest about it. :)
>Well, I think she was referring to inappropriate behaviour -- generally,
>you aren't supposed to laugh during a horror movie (or dramatic thriller
>in this case).
I just thought it was a little unfair. It wasn't that
groan-worthy. Sure, it wasn't nearly as cool as some of the other episodes
(ie, 1,2 or 5), but it wasn't *bad*. People just have no appreciation for
melodrama.
>On a somewhat related issue, I still remember last term when a _great many
>people_ groaned et al. during the third episode of Blackjack when one of
>the characters was using a South/Central American accent. The character
>is from that part of the world!! If they had wanted to be accurate, the
>original Japanese dialogue would have done the same thing (they didn't).
>In terms of the context it made perfect sense, but some people would just
>rather hear Japanese because "it sounds better". How so? I cannot
>understand this.
Well, they were very bad Central American accents.
Darcy Casselman
In article <Pine.SOL.3.96.980401...@sciborg.uwaterloo.ca>,
Jackie Kwong <j2k...@sciborg.uwaterloo.ca> wrote:
>
>> Blackjack cut her out of her sister's body, where she had lived all her life
>> (18-20 years), and gave her a whole body - the body of a child.
>
>gotta see!
It's in the manga. The anime are supposedly new stories. They
also seem to assume that you're familiar with Blackjack before you watch
the series. I don't think they're going to do the story.
Ian Kim
On Thu, 2 Apr 1998, Darcy Casselman wrote:
> In article <Pine.SOL.3.96.980401...@sciborg.uwaterloo.ca>,
> Jackie Kwong <j2k...@sciborg.uwaterloo.ca> wrote:
> >
> >> Blackjack cut her out of her sister's body, where she had lived all her life
> >> (18-20 years), and gave her a whole body - the body of a child.
> >
> >Whoa, whoa, whoa... is this in the manga or in the anime? Now this I
> >gotta see!
Blackjack's sister? O.o Hmm...what is that implying everytime she goes on
a jealous fit? ^^;;;;;
-Ian Kim
J.P. Brichta
In article <Pine.SOL.3.95q.98040...@picard.math.uwaterloo.ca>,
Ian Kim <ik...@picard.math.uwaterloo.ca> wrote:
>On Thu, 2 Apr 1998, Darcy Casselman wrote:
>
>> In article <Pine.SOL.3.96.980401...@sciborg.uwaterloo.ca>,
>> Jackie Kwong <j2k...@sciborg.uwaterloo.ca> wrote:
>> >
>> >> Blackjack cut her out of her sister's body, where she had lived all her life
>> >> (18-20 years), and gave her a whole body - the body of a child.
>> >
>> >Whoa, whoa, whoa... is this in the manga or in the anime? Now this I
>> >gotta see!
>
>Blackjack's sister? O.o Hmm...what is that implying everytime she goes on
>a jealous fit? ^^;;;;;
No, no -- not Blackjack's sister. The girl's sister was a patient of
Blackjack's.
J.P.
Quang Lai
>On a somewhat related issue, I still remember last term when a _great many
>people_ groaned et al. during the third episode of Blackjack when one of
>the characters was using a South/Central American accent. The character
>is from that part of the world!! If they had wanted to be accurate, the
>original Japanese dialogue would have done the same thing (they didn't).
>In terms of the context it made perfect sense, but some people would just
>rather hear Japanese because "it sounds better". How so? I cannot
>understand this.
Well, the accent was prettily badly done, but I groaned because of the
horrible script. The things she said was pretty damm cheesy and I
expected better (after watching BJ 1 and 2). Would I have preferred the
sub?, probably. Reading a cheesy script is not as bad as actually
_hearing_ it. :)
Which reminds me, I really should put up that BJ poster I won that night.
Kernel Mustard
// Paul Chrysler <pech...@calum.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> wrote:
// > Really? I don't know many people, even in the medical
// >profession, who would say "systemic lupus erythmosis" instead of
// >"widespread red, ulcerous lesions". Both phrases use medical
// >terminology, but one is more obfuscated. Too stress the point further,
// >just which part of the limbic system is supposed to be close to the
// >chiasma opticum?
//
// Ever watch Northern Exposure? It would seem (at least in as far as the
// popular portrayal of knowledgable doctors) that the better the doctor is,
// the more likely s/he is to begin medi-speak.
Coming from a small NWO town, I avoided Northern Exposure... I found
it quite insulting. I watched M*A*S*H very frequently, however...
and that seemed to put forth that the best doctors speak very little
"medi-speak". Daoist philosophy would seem to concur... techno-speak
would be a clear sign that the person has no idea of what they are
talking about.
// Since Blackjack's comments
// should be considered like journal entries (i.e. to himself at a later date),
// there is no particular reason why he wouldn't speak that way; he'd
// certainly understand.
It was interesting in the sense that he doesn't bother to beat us over
the head with medical terminology at other times... it stood out as
fairly ludicrous, but it was at least forgivable. (Parens added
above for the sake of sanity).
// > Since I don't recall any rude comments during BlackJack, I have
// >to assume you were referring to me and some friends who were laughing
// >near the end. I'm sorry if you found it disruptive, but I won't
// >apologize for doing it--it was a natural reaction, as much as when I
// >laugh during Tylor of Patlabor with the rest of the audience.
//
// Well, I think she was referring to inappropriate behaviour -- generally,
// you aren't supposed to laugh during a horror movie (or dramatic thriller
// in this case).
Actually, horror movies are hilarious... we used to go just for the
laughes (Trauma Team is especially brilliant in this regard). The
humour behind clowns is also based on horror.
Part of the problem with this Blackjack was that it did maintain
a good dramatic thriller mood, and then proceded into absurd melodrama.
// On a somewhat related issue, I still remember last term when a _great many
// people_ groaned, etc., during the third episode of Blackjack when one of
// the characters was using a South/Central American accent. The character
// is from that part of the world!! If they had wanted to be accurate, the
// original Japanese dialogue would have done the same thing (they didn't).
My guess is that it would have been more accurate if the actor had
come from that part of the world. Haven't seen it so I can't comment
further.
Japanese is an atonal language. It doesn't lend itself well to the
standard European concept of accent. Regional japanese accents
are mostly idioms with things along the lines of vowel shifts, vowel
shortening, dropped syllables, and other such modifications. When
accents are used to mark non-japanese, its typically either very subtle
use of tones and polite speach... or very blunt pidgin japanese. I
doubt there was much call for either in this case.
// In terms of the context it made perfect sense, but some people would just
// rather hear Japanese because "it sounds better". How so? I cannot
// understand this.
That much is obvious.
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Kernel Mustard
In article <EqsIA...@undergrad.math.uwaterloo.ca>,
Darcy Casselman <dsca...@undergrad.math.uwaterloo.ca> wrote:
// In article <Eqqu8...@watserv3.uwaterloo.ca>,
// >popular portrayal of knowledgable doctors) that the better the doctor is,
// >should be considered like journal entries i.e. to himself at a later date,
// >there is no particular reason why he wouldn't speak that way; he'd
// >certainly understand.
// Let's face it: they do it to sound cool. That's all. Blackjack
// never aspires to realism. At least they're honest about it. :)
About as honest as ST:TNG, ST:Voyager, and the X-Files.
// >Well, I think she was referring to inappropriate behaviour -- generally,
// >you aren't supposed to laugh during a horror movie (or dramatic thriller
// >in this case).
//
// I just thought it was a little unfair. It wasn't that
// groan-worthy. Sure, it wasn't nearly as cool as some of the other episodes
// (ie, 1,2 or 5), but it wasn't *bad*. People just have no appreciation for
// melodrama.
Actually, I do appreciate melodrama. That's why when a seemingly good
medical drama suddenly turns into a cheesy melodrama, I laugh. Quite
the melodrama too, the violent shift in the last 10 or so minutes was
overwelming... I was in pain, fighting a losing battle against
increasing absurdity.
// >On a somewhat related issue, I still remember last term when a _great many
// >people_ groaned et al. during the third episode of Blackjack when one of
// >the characters was using a South/Central American accent. The character
// >is from that part of the world!! If they had wanted to be accurate, the
// >original Japanese dialogue would have done the same thing (they didn't).
// >In terms of the context it made perfect sense, but some people would just
// >rather hear Japanese because "it sounds better". How so? I cannot
// >understand this.
//
// Well, they were very bad Central American accents.
I thought that might be the case.
Michael Van Biesbrouck
In article <EqsIA...@undergrad.math.uwaterloo.ca>,
Darcy Casselman <dsca...@undergrad.math.uwaterloo.ca> wrote:
> I just thought it was a little unfair. It wasn't that
The line `Unbelievable!' was groan-worthy.
For other parts of the show, I found that the worst offender in terms of
talking was one of CTRL-A's representatives. When someone who stands at
the front selling raffle tickets talks during shows and encourages
remarks during the TV clips, I don't see how other people can be
expected to be quiet. As Sun Tzu once demonstrated, when you decapitate
the leaders, the followers stop giggling.
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Joseph C. Chen
Kernel Mustard wrote:
> // Ever watch Northern Exposure? It would seem (at least in as far as the
> // popular portrayal of knowledgable doctors) that the better the doctor is,
> // the more likely s/he is to begin medi-speak.
>
> Coming from a small NWO town, I avoided Northern Exposure... I found
> it quite insulting. I watched M*A*S*H very frequently, however...
Why?
> and that seemed to put forth that the best doctors speak very little
> "medi-speak". Daoist philosophy would seem to concur... techno-speak
> would be a clear sign that the person has no idea of what they are
> talking about.
Why? Terminology lends precision. The diction used in Blackjack is used to
describe precisely, not to make the audience feel dumb.
By the way, I don' believe Daoist philosophy implies what you suggest it does.
What I can see is this: Blackjack is narrating his prognosis, and treats the
narrative as a journal. He can say whatever the heck he wants. It would help him
if a) what he said were precise and accurate, and b) he would later be able to
completely recall his prognosis by reading these notes.
> It was interesting in the sense that he doesn't bother to beat us over
> the head with medical terminology at other times... it stood out as
> fairly ludicrous, but it was at least forgivable. (Parens added
> above for the sake of sanity).
He shouldn't beat us over the head with medical terminology at other times. That
would be irrelevant; he would be recording useless data.
> Part of the problem with this Blackjack was that it did maintain
> a good dramatic thriller mood, and then proceded into absurd melodrama.
The mood did change, just as you say. Personally, it was not absurd - but, of
course, this is a purely subjective topic.
> My guess is that it would have been more accurate if the actor had
> come from that part of the world. Haven't seen it so I can't comment
> further.
Hmm. So, how did you determine that this Blackjack maintained a good dramatic
thriller mood, and then proceded into absurd melodrama?
> Japanese is an atonal language. It doesn't lend itself well to the
> standard European concept of accent. Regional japanese accents
> are mostly idioms with things along the lines of vowel shifts, vowel
> shortening, dropped syllables, and other such modifications. When
> accents are used to mark non-japanese, its typically either very subtle
> use of tones and polite speach... or very blunt pidgin japanese. I
> doubt there was much call for either in this case.
What you are speaking of is dialects, not accents. Japanese dialects are just like
dialects for any other language. We are talking about accents.
> // In terms of the context it made perfect sense, but some people would just
> // rather hear Japanese because "it sounds better". How so? I cannot
> // understand this.
>
> That much is obvious.
I will presume that your comment was not meant to patronise J.P.'s clearly honest
and subjective thoughts.
Joseph
Joseph C. Chen
Michael Van Biesbrouck wrote:
> For other parts of the show, I found that the worst offender in terms of
> talking was one of CTRL-A's representatives. When someone who stands at
> the front selling raffle tickets talks during shows and encourages
> remarks during the TV clips, I don't see how other people can be
> expected to be quiet. As Sun Tzu once demonstrated, when you decapitate
> the leaders, the followers stop giggling.
Said person has been politely reminded in the past. Rest assured that
future
offenses will not be so politely accepted.
That said, let's get back to talking about anime. We will likely screen
Blackjack vol. 6 in May. This episode should remind everyone why
Blackjack is
(IMHO) such a good series.
Joseph
Kernel Mustard
In article <3526DB0F...@ece.uwaterloo.ca>,
Joseph C. Chen <jos...@ece.uwaterloo.ca> wrote:
// Kernel Mustard wrote:
//
// > // Ever watch Northern Exposure? It would seem (at least in as far as the
// > // popular portrayal of knowledgable doctors) that the better the doctor is,
// > // the more likely s/he is to begin medi-speak.
// >
// > Coming from a small NWO town, I avoided Northern Exposure... I found
// > it quite insulting. I watched M*A*S*H very frequently, however...
//
// Why?
Nothing better on, nothing better to do.
// > and that seemed to put forth that the best doctors speak very little
// > "medi-speak". Daoist philosophy would seem to concur... techno-speak
// > would be a clear sign that the person has no idea of what they are
// > talking about.
//
// Why? Terminology lends precision. The diction used in Blackjack is used to
// describe precisely, not to make the audience feel dumb.
Terminology lends only abstraction. One only has to look at recent
developments in the English language to realize that this, in no way,
implies precision. My overall opinion of this case was that it
appeared to be an easy term to look up, and it would create some
sense of Blackjack's skill. The attempt came across as cheesy... it
was forgivable compared to the silliness that followed.
// By the way, I don' believe Daoist philosophy implies what you suggest it does
// What I can see is this: Blackjack is narrating his prognosis, and treats the
// narrative as a journal. He can say whatever the heck he wants. It
// would help him
// if a) what he said were precise and accurate,
// and b) he would later be able to
// completely recall his prognosis by reading these notes.
In this case, I believe this shows that Blackjack does not know
that he does not know the answer. This is why I can forgive it,
I can argue that it was a very subtle point on the focus of the
episode.
// > It was interesting in the sense that he doesn't bother to beat us over
// > the head with medical terminology at other times... it stood out as
// > fairly ludicrous, but it was at least forgivable. (Parens added
// > above for the sake of sanity).
//
// He shouldn't beat us over the head with medical terminology at other
// times. That
// would be irrelevant; he would be recording useless data.
Actually, he would be using a narrative as a journal, and should
therefore be using all the medical terminology he wants in order
to maintain his precision. ^_^
// > Part of the problem with this Blackjack was that it did maintain
// > a good dramatic thriller mood, and then proceded into absurd melodrama.
//
// The mood did change, just as you say. Personally, it was not absurd -
// but, of
// course, this is a purely subjective topic.
It wandered off into the realm of new Trek science absurdity...
badly held together science with far to little support, and handled
in an overly dramatic, serendipitously cheesy fashion. It could have
been handled much better.
It probably would have come across better dubbed into Russian.
// > My guess is that it would have been more accurate if the actor had
// > come from that part of the world. Haven't seen it so I can't comment
// > further.
//
// Hmm. So, how did you determine that this Blackjack maintained a good dramatic
// thriller mood, and then proceded into absurd melodrama?
Simple. Your quote above is my opinion of Blackjack 4... my quote
above is an educated guess as to why people groaned at an accent in
Blackjack 3. I've seen 4, I haven't seen 3... but I have seen
many cases where dub actors have attempted accents and they almost
invariably come across badly. Not that its impossible to do
a good accent, I just have never heard one done in a dub.
// > Japanese is an atonal language. It doesn't lend itself well to the
// > standard European concept of accent. Regional Japanese accents
// > are mostly idioms with things along the lines of vowel shifts, vowel
// > shortening, dropped syllables, and other such modifications. When
// > accents are used to mark non-Japanese, its typically either very subtle
// > use of tones and polite speach... or very blunt pidgin Japanese. I
// > doubt there was much call for either in this case.
//
// What you are speaking of is dialects, not accents. Japanese dialects
// are just like
// dialects for any other language. We are talking about accents.
Actually, I am speaking of accents. The definitions of language,
dialect, and accent are very fuzzy in linguistics. There is no
standard definition for them. In general, accents are only the
distinguishing speach habits of a region. Idioms can be included
in that, since local word preferences are considered speach
habits... and are often idiomatic, although you might want to avoid
idioms altogether, because they can arguably be dialectical (the
problem is that some idioms have etymologies that are clearly
accentual). I'm fine with that definition, if you want... it
doesn't invalidate any of the rest.
It also has no effect on the connecting statement to Blackjack.
I doubt that either regional Japanese accent or a central american
gaijin accent would have worked, given the setting of Blackjack.
Therefore, I can see why the Japanese version probably doesn't
bother with the accent (it would be unnatural). I have a feeling
that at least some of the audience was wishing that the English
version had thought similarly... I doubt the accent was important.
// > // In terms of the context it made perfect sense, but some people would
// > // just
// > // rather hear Japanese because "it sounds better". How so? I cannot
// > // understand this.
// >
// > That much is obvious.
//
// I will presume that your comment was not meant to patronise J.P.'s
// clearly honest
// and subjective thoughts.
Mu. Its hard not to patronize with affirming response. To clarify, I
find JP's last statement to be one of somewhat enlightened objectivity
(that's a somewhat good thing).
Kernel Mustard
In article <352854CA...@ece.uwaterloo.ca>,// That said, let's get back to talking about anime. We will likely screen
// Blackjack vol. 6 in May. This episode should remind everyone why
// Blackjack is (IMHO) such a good series.
I hope so, I've enjoyed what I've seen so far... even if my enjoyment
of the last bit of Blackjack 4 was due to finding it overly cheesy...
I'd like to think that it can produce good dramatic episodes (Blackjack
5 was very good).