Norma 270 Bullets
Violette Taps
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I have contacted TrueShot & Norma informing them of the safety risk of the ammo, as well as Springfield on recommendations on what to do with the gun. The gun is inoperable; brass shrapnel and completely locked up (from excess carbon/gunpowder?)
Has anyone else had something similar happen? Recommendations or expectations I should have from the companies? My expectation right now is Norma to at a minimum replace the two lots of ammo I have from them, as well as repair/replace my EDC.
That is exactly what it looks like.
Fencersms, If you know;
How many rounds on the firearm total?
How many rounds fired that evening prior to the failure?
How many rounds since the last clean, lube, and inspection?
I've experienced it before and it was probably in a Glock as that's been the predominate autoloader I've shot since the late '90's. But I didn't have the extent of damage you experienced...just soot. But out of battery firing nonetheless.
I was just shooting some 124 gr 9mm Norma last week (got a great price on it) and noted it was "peppy" to my shooting buddies. Much the same feel as NATO spec 124, which we actually shot side by side with it.
In the " old days " we used to shoot hot loads out of the old Gubt model Colt 38 supers using heavy bullets ( .140 grain 357s I think ) intentionally set over the max OAL so the bullets would rest on the barrel lands when chambered. That " hillside engineering " fixed the headspace problem with the old supers.
As I mentioned, I primarily shoot handloads and as a general rule Hate Norma 9mm brass related to it's incredibly small primer flash hole. But I recently purchased 500 rounds with a 2023 lot# and consider it much akin to Blazer aluminum as far as the brass goes. I just toss that brass. The price was too good to pass on and figured it'd save my primers for loading my .38's & .32's.
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The TipStrike performs as a polymer tipped spitzer should, and I like the flat base design, as it helps keep the tapering jacket and core together. The expansion is rapid up front, and slows as the jacket thickens toward the base. I can see the TipStrike being the perfect deer bullet, as Brezny and Sundra both found out; they each took wonderful deer at Champion, with a one shot each.
Ron had much the same experience with his .308 and the EcoStrike ammo, when he took both a fantastic chocolate-colored fallow buck and a Corsican ram, each with one shot. The EcoStrike is perfect for those areas where the use of lead core ammunition is prohibited, and like so many monometals, their weight retention is very high. Expansion is reliable, even at longer ranges when velocities slow down. For those who embrace the monometal bullets, the EcoStrike is a dependable design, with the consistency that is associated with the Norma name.
Norma's bullets feature the same accuracy and quality as their premium ammunition and brass. Their massive selection of bullets offers an option for virtually any application, from hunting, to competition, to tactical purposes.
This is why the 300Norma Mag can be called a 1 mile cartridge. During our weekend training shoot for Extreme Shot One Mile Italia competition (1st edition) held on 22-26 Sept. 2021, we ran 5 shots at 1 mile with the 300 Norma Mag running 230 Bergers at 3020ft/s with 14-16 MOA of Full value wind. Look at the MOA reticle on the spotter to understand how much wind we have dialed on the Nightforce ATACR scope. Rob ran out of windage at 15MOA so we kept 14 MOA dialed and I asked him to hold 2 MOA when the gust increased or hold on various segments of the plate to adjust ahead of the wind. I was doing the wind calls on a wide open valley with no wind flags. This is not Bisley ranges with 15 flags spread out. To my left descending into the valley was an olive grove with some mature trees spread out over 200 yards of width or so. They provide a good indicator of the wind that is coming into the valley pushing the bullet off the target to the mile. The difference between 14MOA hold and 16 MOA hold was the way the leaves rustled. Discerning it is the difference between a hit and a miss.
Here you can see the 300Norma and 215 berger Vs the 284Win case and 180 VLD together with a string I shot with the 284Win in the morning at 1000yards on the Fclass target and 5 inch Vbull. If you want to read more about the smaller 284Win, checkout this article about the only 7mm you may ever need.
My 284Win Fclass Open barrel Block rifle was built specifically for 1000 yard competition and can keep an entire string of 20 shots inside a 7 inch circle at 1000 yards with most landing in a 5inch circle. It sits on a seb joypod bipod. Built on a Nesika K action with 30 inch bartlein barrel, 1.9 twist, .312 neck turn only chamber.
Once I saw this cartridge mentioned on some serious forums like www.longrangehunting.com and www.snipershide.com, I decided to look closer. I had been following the series of wildcat cartridges and rifles that Kirby Allen produces known as the Allen Magnums so I thought this round must get this performance in a smaller package with Lapua brass readily available. Ryan Pierce, Shawn Carlock and other long-range shooting forum members mentioned this round in one configuration or another.
The numbers I saw here where very impressive. I had no interest in the standard loading format and a 26inch barrel as is mostly implemented for hunting rifles. Not that this configuration is a slouch, but we like to maximize the cartridge as long as its safe to do so. I wanted to replicate the sort of performance that a 284win achieves when setup in an Fclass format, long barrel, bullets seated further out to maximize powder capacity. Moreover I knew from FClass that the 215 berger hybrid had a very good following, it holds vertical well even when loaded from a 308 win.
RPA Range Master 300 Norma Magnum rifle with switch barrel capability to 338 Lapua with March 2.5-2542 MTR3 and Swarovski ATS 65 with Vortex 30 MOA reticle, manfrotto portable Tripod and Tierone Evolution tactical Carbon Bipod
We have also tried the 300Norma Mag on Balloon sized targets out to 1500meters and was impressed by the consistency of this cartridge when one takes the time to develop a load for it and test it at long distance to optimise for that barrel. Checkout the article.
I sat down to load for the rifle, I wanted to start out around 90% from the load I had in mind and slightly higher. I wanted to settle for around 3200ft/s with 215 berger hybrid. I printed a sheet from quickload that would give me a good indication of what charges I should start at and listed them down.
This gave me a good idea of where I would start. Quickload tends to be a little conservative in its numbers so I knew there was a good chance that the numbers would be slightly higher on actual firings.
I loaded up 1 round of each charge across the entire spectrum. I then loaded up 5 rounds of the first charge to be able to zero with and make sure we are on target at 600m before I start my ladder test. I used Redding FL bushings dies and Wilson Inline bullet seating dies with an arbor press.
One question I regularly receive from our readers is what do you use to spot for these long range shots? Most of the times, you can pick up the bullet impact through your riflescope since it takes almost 3 second flight time to 1 mile however, using some of the best glass out there enables you to see the impacts easily and in a comfortable way.
There are many ways one can load the same cartridge to repurpose it for long range shooting. One of them is to load the same cartridge with longer higher BC bullets that may at times be heavier as well. One such configuration is the 250gr hornady Atip bullet. This bullet is very sleek, long and comes with an aluminium tip. When loaded to the right spec, it can be driven around 3000ft/s from a 30 inch barrel. Hornady recommends with 1.8 twist for this bullet. At the last Extreme Shot Italia II competition in September, we saw French Shooter Francois Dreuil from Group Mike in Caylus climb to second position shooting this combination bullet (moly coated by himself)
Which leaves me to once again wonder whether this really should have been a ".358 Norma" built around a 300gr Steel Core AP load. Especially when we also factor in the better swept bore volume (likely leading to higher velocity vs the same weight .338) as well as the likely increase in barrel life that a wider bore would have offered.
Since they designed a new action length for the .338 Norma machine gun, my 'alternate history LWMMG" assumes they would have made a suitably long action for the .358 Norma to allow enough ogive space for a 300gr AP VLD.
Basically, in this alternate timeline, GD says "We want to create a new long range machine gun in between .308 and .50. We like the long range performance of the 300gr .338 Lapua/Norma, but we want an enhanced AP/Anti Material ability, so we need a 300gr AP steel core...hey, how about a .358 Norma?" And then builds that.
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