Temperature inside the food pantry.

[robin caracciolo]

Betsy Wood (Food Pantry Co-Director) has suggested that we keep the
door opened a crack in the food pantry as the freezer is throwing a
lot of heat, and the room is overly hot. We left it ajar after the
distribution last Saturday. I had to go in today to take care of
emergency food for someone...and the door was closed, and the room has
unbearable hot. I left a note on the door to please keep it open
I think there was talk some time ago about getting the door vented.
Does anyone know the status of that or if someone could get that job
done for us??

Thanks!
Robin

--
Robin Caracciolo
Youth Program Coordinator
UU Church 90 Holden St.
Worcester, Ma
508-853-1942
508-868-7088 cell

[robin caracciolo]

This is from Bart...can we say yes to his offer?

---------- Forwarded message ----------
From: Mr Bartlett Hill <bhi...@verizon.net>
Date: Thu, Jul 22, 2010 at 4:45 PM
Subject: Re: Temperature inside the food pantry.
To: robin.ca...@gmail.com

Howdy Robin,

   It would be real easy to put in a vent. It is the type of thing
that I do. I remember there was talk awhile ago but I never saw a
conclusion. I would be more then willing to put a vent in the door
like the ones  you see at the ends of sheds. They are not very
expensive and are SO EASY to install.
    Let me know,      Bart  :)
----- Original Message ----- From: "robin caracciolo"
<robin.ca...@gmail.com>
To: "Aaron Payson" <arpa...@charter.net>; "Betsy Wood"
<betsy....@gmail.com>; "greenteam UUCW"
<uucwgr...@googlegroups.com>
Sent: Thursday, July 22, 2010 4:33 PM
Subject: Temperature inside the food pantry.

[Kim McCoy]

Yes, thank you. Also I checked Lance's kwhr meter on the freezer and found we used 48.6 kwhr/wk during hot weather (July 4 - 20), compared to 31 kwhr/wk from 4/18 - 5/23, and 46.7 kwhr/wk from 5/23 - 7/4. This is much more of an increase than Dana had projected. Letting hot air out a vent should be good for the food, volunteers, the freezer, and our energy consumption. I would guess the pantry has been 10 degrees warmer than the rest of the church when I've checked, not unbearable, but unnecessary.

 

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From: robin caracciolo <robin.ca...@gmail.com>
To: Betsy Wood <betsy....@gmail.com>; Aaron Payson <arpa...@charter.net>; greenteam UUCW <uucwgr...@googlegroups.com>
Sent: Thu, July 22, 2010 5:03:55 PM
Subject: Fwd: Temperature inside the food pantry.

[robin caracciolo]

Bart,

We have the approval to do this and we have money in the Food Pantry
budget to pay for materials and if you want to volunteer labor that's
awesome...but we also have funds to pay for that as well. So,
whenever you choose to...we would love for you to do it. Just save
receipts for materials.

Thanks so much for your kind offer!
Robin

On Thu, Jul 22, 2010 at 4:45 PM, Mr Bartlett Hill <bhi...@verizon.net> wrote:
> Also I will pay for it....    :)

> ----- Original Message ----- From: "robin caracciolo"
> <robin.ca...@gmail.com>
> To: "Aaron Payson" <arpa...@charter.net>; "Betsy Wood"
> <betsy....@gmail.com>; "greenteam UUCW" <uucwgr...@googlegroups.com>
> Sent: Thursday, July 22, 2010 4:33 PM
> Subject: Temperature inside the food pantry.
>
>

[Deb Selkow]

Thank you!  Thank you, Bart!

Deb

--
Deborah Selkow
Director of Religious Education
Unitarian Universalist Church of Worcester

[Lance McKee]

Thanks from me, too, Bart.

... I guess I could say, "On behalf of the UUCW Green Team..."

Lance

Begin forwarded message:

[robin caracciolo]

THANKS BART! You're the best! (and wow, that was fast!!)
~Robin

On Sun, Jul 25, 2010 at 7:01 AM, Mr Bartlett Hill <bhi...@verizon.net> wrote:
> Howdy,
>
>      Vents are in at the top and bottom so nature can take it's coarse......
>
>      An arm and a leg and board for college for four years will due for my
>
>      labor.....
>
>      Stay C~O~O~L,
>                                       Bart  : )

[Denise Darrigrand]

Bart - Your generosity continues to amaze me - thank you!

Denise

[Dana Dorsett]

Hi Lance, greenies,

 

I apologize for being mostly off-line the past several months (many demands on my time, combined with a new & longer commute)- I've been reading the updates, but have not been very hands-on.

 

In background I've been trying to come up with reasonable methods for major wall-insulation upgrades that won't create other moisture issues in the masonry walls, and doesn't require interior-side construction that could be messy/expensive/distruptive.  I've verified that insulating the cavity between the exterior wythe of brick and the concrete masonry block with foam beads or rock wools as is commonly done in the UK does NOT work without problems in our climate.

 

Our safest decent-performance option to use vapor-permeable injectable-foam (used primarily in commercial construction) that can be retrofitted into the hollow cores of  concrete block, but still leaves the cavity between section open, avoiding spalling & efflorescence issues.  The wall still breathes (water vapor, not air) into the cavity from either direction, and won't cause either the block or the brick wythes to load up with with moisture. 

 

The cost of a retrofit is TBD, but it would more than the R-value of the walls bringing them up from ~ R2-2.5 to ~R4-5 at a minimum- if it's low-density block it could go as high as R9-R10.  This would cut the heat loss through those surfaces by between 50 & 75%, and should have at least a 15-20% (guesstimating) reduction in the heating fuel use. (It could even be more, but it would depend on how much of a loss we're getting from air-infiltraion and glazing, etc.)  The minimum size block that is easily retrofittable is the 6" deep (we may have some 4-inchers in places) and the performance boost is significant.  See:

 

http://www.tripolymer.com/tripolymer/charts/6in%20cmu%20chart.htm

 

For 8" block it's somewhat better:

 

http://www.tripolymer.com/tripolymer/charts/8_inch_cmu_values.htm

 

Since most of the interior block isn't covered with wallboard or other finish-walls but merely painted, retrofitting from the interior would be possible without the disruption of demolition in most areas.  I suspect we have a combination of 6" & 8" block (or maybe even larger) used in much of the building (which may be verifiable on the blueprints.)  If the cores are open at the top of the wall (as is the case in at least some parts that I've inspected), the retrofit could be pretty easy. Other areas might require drilling into the block, injecting the foam, then patching & painting, but it wouldn't be a major-major followup.

 

They don't appear to have any installers in MA, but they do have one in nearby RI, one in NH, as well as a few in CT:

 

Think Green Insulation Co
179 Front St Woosocket RI 02895
Phone: 401-996-9903
Fax: 401-765-2435
Email: Franci...@live.com

 

MJW Drywall Foam Insulation LLC
19 Norton Rd Hampton NH 03842
Phone: 603-601-6283
Fax: 603-601-6284
Emai : MJWdry...@aol.com
Website: www.mjwdrywallandinsulation.co

 

Good Life Energy Savers LLC
50 Beaver Brook Rd Suite #2 Danbury CT  06810
Phone: 203-297-6337
Fax: 203-617-0674
Email: gi...@goodlifeenergysavers.com
Website: www.goodlifeenergysavers.com

Spray-Tech Foam Insulation LLC
122 Spring Street C3 Southington CT 06489
Phone: 860-621-3000
Fax: 860-620-9003
Email: spray...@cox.net
Website: www.spraytechfoaminsulation.com

Zero Draft of CT
1068 Hartford Tnpk Suite # 3 Waterford CT 06385
Phone: 860-442-3224
Fax: 860-442-3226
Email: Ta...@zerodraftct.com
Website: www.zerodraftct.com

Mayhaps we should see if any of the more-local outfits would be willling to at least give us an assessment & estimate(?)  The folks in Woonsocket or Hampton NH or Waterford CT may cover Worcester in their service area.

dana

 

 

[Kim McCoy]

I vote for just doing the blocks wherever the foam injectors could get a straight shot from accessible attic spaces all the way down to the floor. Any kind of foam is messy, somewhat toxic, and I'm skeptical that wall heat losses are really what energy auditors say, especially on south sides of intermittantly used buildings. And it's probably not in our May 2010 - April 2011 budget.

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From: Dana Dorsett <dor...@millogic.com>
To: lmc...@opengeospatial.org
Cc: greenteam UUCW <uucwgr...@googlegroups.com>
Sent: Fri, August 6, 2010 2:47:57 PM
Subject: Insulating the walls