Friends,What great Mr. Kukrati jee is trying to push through this "DONGH" the vast population of Uttarakhand in particular and also the other people visiting this site.Is all these ritual can be of any use to remove the illiteracy,poverty,backwardness,illness,disease and misery of our people.Dear friends raise your voice for such misuse of the well read site.Thanks.Devendra Bist.
From: Anita Dubey <anita...@yahoo.com>
To: PauriG...@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Mon, May 23, 2011 11:18:03 AM
Subject: Re: [PGGroup] Naked Woman in Ngajat Tantrik Performance ??? नगजाड़ तंत्र पूजा में औरत को नंगा हो कर ही क्यों पूजा करवानी पडती है ?
How can one justify idiotic actions as a means of realization of self or God?These activities named as rituals are nothing but wickedness of a perverted mind. Tantrik performance is outrageously backward.Anita Dubey
From: bhishma kukreti <bcku...@gmail.com>
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Sent: Thu, May 19, 2011 7:19:02 PM
Subject: [PGGroup] Naked Woman in Ngajat Tantrik Performance ??? नगजाड़ तंत्र पूजा में औरत को नंगा हो कर ही क्यों पूजा करवानी पडती है ?
Mystical Knowledge of Kumaun and Garhwal
Why is Necessary a Woman Performing Nakedly in Najjad Tantrik Performance
नगजाड़ तंत्र पूजा में औरत को नंगा हो कर ही क्यों पूजा करवानी पडती है ?( Mantra Tantra in Garhwal, Mantra Tantra of Kumaun, Himalayan Tantra and Mantra )Bhishma Kukretiनगजाड छाया पूजने कि एक तांत्रिक विधि है . छाया औरतों को ही लगती है और उन्हें ही छाया पुजवानी पडती हैछाया पूजने का एक हठयोग या बामयोगीय पूजन है जिसे गढवाली में नगजाड कहते हैं और यह तभी किया जाता है जब सामान्य छाया पूजन प्रभावकारी नहीं होते हैंनगजाड अधिकतर गाड गदन के किनारे सबकी नजर से दूर करवाया जाता है जिसमे मान्त्रिक मंत्रावली, दडियावली आदि के मंत्र पढ़ता है और मान्त्रिक कई तांत्रिक अभिषेक भी करवाता है /करता है . इसमें एक विशेष बात है कि औरत को नंगा होकर पूजा करवानी पडती है और पुराने कपड़े वहीं छोड़ आने पड़ते हैंदेखा जाय तो यह अजीव लगता है क़ि एक औरत को गैर मर्द के सामने अकेले में नंगा होकर पूजा करवानी पडती है किन्तु इस तांत्रिक अभियोजन के पीछे विज्ञानं भैरव का निम्न सूत्र या मूल सिधांत निहित हैस्वदेहे जगतो वापी सूक्ष्मसुक्ष्मतराणि चतत्वानी यानि निलयम ध्यात्वान्ते व्यज्यते परा (विज्ञानं भैरव , ५४ )
If one mediates on the subtle and subletest elements in one's own body or of the world as if they are merging one after another , then in the end the Supremes revealed ( (Vigyan Bhairav 54 )
यह सूत्र मनुष्य को अपने ही शरीर को केन्द्रित कर उस पर ध्यानमग्न होने की सलाह देता है . इसे हम स्नानगृह में बिलकुल नंगे होकर अपने शरीर को लगातार देखने से भी अनुभव कर सकते हैं हमे अपने शरीर को लगातार देखने से// सम्पूर्ण रूप से अपने शरीर पर ध्यान केन्द्रित करते हुए आनन्द आने लगता है और हम वर्तमान स्तिथि में आने लगते हैं (ना भूतकाल की शरम और ना ही भविष्य की कोई चिंता )विज्ञान भैरव में शरीर से सम्बन्धित योग क्रियायों के १२३ सूत्र का बेजोड़ ग्रन्थ है . नगजाड तांत्रिक प्रक्रिया में विज्ञानं भैरव का यही सिधांत काम करता दीखता हैCopyright@ Bhishma Kukreti, bcku...@gmail.com
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I think the whole of Uttarakhand and in particular the dev bhoomi part i.e. Garhwal is full of this 'nautanki' prophesied by Shri Kukrati jee. Other than this there is no culture,religion,ritual and spirituality left in Mr Kukreti's mind and in this geographical region. No one in this Pauri Garhwal group is serious about this.I think this group has nothing more than this to tell us.It is enough Mr Kukreti please stop this do some thing genuine and real which can help poor uttarakhandi. Do some thing for education,medical care and the most for the fragile environment and the 'Nasha bandi'.Hope good sense will prevail.Thanks and regards to all who read this.Devendra Bist.
From: Vishwa - Dehradun <vis...@cybertalents-india.com>
To: devend...@yahoo.com
Sent: Mon, May 23, 2011 5:04:04 PM
Subject: FW: [PGGroup] Naked Woman in Ngajad Tantrik Performance ??? नगजाड़ तंत्र पूजा में औरत को नंगा हो कर ही क्यों पूजा करवानी पडती है ?
I think Mr Kukreti should create a separate Tantrik forum and carry on from there!
From: Vishwa - Dehradun [mailto:vis...@cybertalents-india.com]
Sent: 23 May 2011 15:55
To: 'Anita Dubey'
Subject: RE: [PGGroup] Naked Woman in Ngajad Tantrik Performance ??? नगजाड़ तंत्र पूजा में औरत को नंगा हो कर ही क्यों पूजा करवानी पडती है ?
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Dear Anitaji,
I am beginning to get fed up of this forum, I think all this tantric stuff is pure bullshit, is it all going to help Garhwali people in any way? When I try to post serious and perfectly polite message regarding burning social issues, I am being censored out. While shri Kukreti is given full freedom regarding naked women and skulls in smashan bhoomis. There is also a heavy political slant, you will note that rampant corruption in UK is never addressed. Please try to pass on my views to people yoyu may know. I have no voice apparently because I am not Garhwali.
Best wishes
Vishwa
From: PauriG...@yahoogroups.com [mailto:PauriG...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Anita Dubey
Sent: 23 May 2011 11:18
To: PauriG...@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [PGGroup] Naked Woman in Ngajad Tantrik Performance ??? नगजाड़ तंत्र पूजा में औरत को नंगा हो कर ही क्यों पूजा करवानी पडती है ?
How can one justify idiotic actions as a means of realization of self or God?
These activities named as rituals are nothing but wickedness of a perverted mind. Tantrik performance is outrageously backward.
Anita Dubey
From: bhishma kukreti <bcku...@gmail.com>
To: Pauri Garhwal <PauriG...@yahoogroups.com>; arju <uttranchal...@googlegroups.com>; uttarancha...@yahoogroups.com; kumaoni garhwali <kumaoni-...@yahoogroups.com>; younguttaranchal mygroup <youngutt...@yahoogroups.com>; Youth United <burans.yo...@gmail.com>; mumbaiuttarakhandi <mumbaiutt...@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Thu, May 19, 2011 7:19:02 PM
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Dear Kukretiji,Although, I didnt think it was sensible enough to reply to you to your last email to me where you told me the same points and emphasizing on "Aswal's and Garhwal". But I can also see I am not the only "idiotic" guy out here. To reason with a guy in front, he needs to also think in in your so called "unbiased" ways. Don't tell me that being an "Aswal", and criticizing your emails makes me any less Proud Garhwali than you are. Regarding your question about being back home. We both are in Mumbai and Pune and I make trips every month back home. ... I am well aware of my family history... Guess that makes me more of an "Aswal" than you think... Right...?? So, with all due respect, I would appreciate f you would not include any caste related opinions while replying to emails...Just being an administrator does not give you trhe right to tell everyone what or what not to criticize...I read all your 10 points you mentions and although I appreciate them had your writting had any sense in them, but apprantly they do not apply to nonsense. Take it personally or not, I do not care because this is not my culture anymore. This is not Garhwali Culture anymore.You remimded me of a very well said phrase "I seldom argue, but when I do I am not questioning your intelligence, I am assuming you have none".I know it is a very strong statement and I am well aware of the sensible issue syou have brought to board here, but whether you agree or not, no on is interested in this nonsense. I am not sure who asked you to post these on board, but it will be definitely appreciated if you can reply to them personally as well... Or rather make a Bootiya Garhwali Group...Again to reply to all of your points about logical reasoning and getting it from a writters point of view, I have only one answer to that. "You can only reason and criticize something logical". As far as your bias criticizm theory stands... Maybe you should also look your work from another readers point of view. Just because you are good at writting something does not means that others are fools to read something and give there views about it. And what logical explaination do you want me to tell you that stop giving the perverted views of tantriks on a naked women.Not sure who moderates this group, but I do want this email to go to each and every menber of the group to give my strong.. And in your words biased opinion to see how of them agree with me and how many of them agree with you...You want to have an open discussion about it, so let it be...Members : PLease provide honest opinions of the recent series of articles and whether these add any value to your life or for Garhwal as well....--Warm RegardsMayank Singh Aswal2011/5/24 bhishma kukreti <bcku...@gmail.com>
On 5/25/11, Mayank Singh Aswal <mayank...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Dear Kukretiji,
>
> I guess you are not getting the point others are trying to present here.
> Lets leave the fact what valus does these practices add to the value of the
> grop. If you do are interested in publishing such articals, you first need
> to find a audience that is in fact interested in these.
>
> In todays world, I do not believe anyone is in fact interested in these
> orthodox and mundane practices. I read that you are not supporting these
> practices but by publishing them it does seems like these are being
> publicised. I never read in your statements that this needs to be stopped or
> maybe completely banned. The fact that these practices go on in our society
> is a shame and if you do not believe in this statement then you are
> promoting it. I guess you have to find an answer to this question by
> yourself.
>
> If in fact you want to increase your knowledge in Tantra Mantra, feel free
> to do it in your private space. If tomorrow you start explaining the meaning
> and practices of "SATI PRATHA" in this group will that add any value to it
> or will that give any of us some knoledge. And let me reming you it was also
> a part of our culture. But this place as a group is not the right stage to
> propogate such ... and I repeat "NONSENSE" practices.
>
> I would appreciate if you do make out a group for orthodox practices in
> Garhwal and share all this information to the audiences who join there.
>
> I do hope you can get the "logic" behind what we are saying here. Because if
> you cannot understand this fact then its useless to carry on this discussion
> per say. Because there is one thing about presenting a point and
> understanding it and another to completely iignoring everything and saying
> "I am the Boss". You decide what you are.
>
> Plain simple fact, (by your orthodox reasoning) as a member of this group I
> strongly oppose these kind of emails in our group. If anyone wants to study
> these, practice these, take it in your private space. Discuss these in some
> cult group but not here. If we still have problems, take a vote. Period. Why
> argue when you just don't want to get it.
>
> --
> Warm Regards
> Mayank.
>
> 2011/5/25 bhishma kukreti <bcku...@gmail.com>
>
>> Dear Devendra ji
>> Thanks for mail as opposition means involvement.If you dont agree with
>> me it definitely means you are involved and involvement is the best
>> part in community
>> My first concern about your words, " What Good t will do to our society"
>> I or you are not to decide what is good or bad .
>> Secondly, to know the culture by analyzing/information is part and
>> partial of life. It is on individuals to follow or not to follow
>> Thirdly, I am not a preacher and never stressed that we should follow
>> the mantra, tantra or Ynatra
>> I would like to inform all that due to our one ancestor Randev jee
>> from our village Jaspur, who was converted into Dalya Gurujee no
>> Kukreti of Jaspur practices Mantrik or Tantrik vidya . Matlab Jaspur
>> Gweel ke koi bhi kukreti mantrik/tantrik sadiyon se nahi hain . It
>> means I dont have any personal nterest in spreading Mantrik Tantrik
>> philosophy
>> Fourthly, I am just providing what is available in published or oral
>> literature with commentary
>> I am just informing waht is there and I am no authorty to tell whether
>> it is good or bad
>> I am still to get logical answer from you and others "Why the Mantra
>> Tantra Yantra culture not to be discussed on Internet if there are
>> published literature
>> I would like to inform you that Dr Pitamabar Datt Barthwal had been
>> first Doctorate ature (D Lit ) of India and he got this degree on
>> analyzing such literature .
>> What Good I did by publishing this literature
>> It is not me to decide What good or bad I did I leave you all to tell me
>>
>> On 5/25/11, DEVENDRA BIST <devend...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>> > Dear Kukreti jee,
>> >
>> > Thanks for the concept for criticizing.
>> > May I request you please tell all of us in one line what good you have
>> > done by
>> > this bhoot and naked women thesis, hope you have a Doctorate in this
>> absurd
>> > mantra and tantra which is degenerating the intelligence of garhwal and
>> > Uttarakhand.
>> > Before preaching you should have thought what good it will do to our
>> > society.
>> > Writing a good vocabulary and language does not mean it is right logical
>> and
>> > the
>> > most is useful. You have very good yellow or pink literature available
>> > in
>> > the
>> > publications, it does not mean you throttle down all these in our mind
>> and
>> > thought. Think before posting such articles which have the negative
>> > value
>> > for
>> > the society.
>> > Think about society of Dev Bhoomi.
>> >
>> > Please do put my submisson to you and all..
>> > Thanks and regards.
>> >
>> > Devendra Bist.
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > ________________________________
>> > From: bhishma kukreti <bcku...@gmail.com>
>> > To: DEVENDRA BIST <devend...@yahoo.com>
>> > Cc: PauriG...@yahoogroups.com; arju
>> > <uttranchal...@googlegroups.com>;
>> > uttarancha...@yahoogroups.com; kumaoni garhwali
>> > <kumaoni-...@yahoogroups.com>; younguttaranchal mygroup
>> > <youngutt...@yahoogroups.com>; Youth United
>> > <burans.yo...@gmail.com>;
>> > mumbaiuttarakhandi <mumbaiutt...@yahoogroups.com>
>> > Sent: Tue, May 24, 2011 1:55:11 PM
>> > Subject: Re: [PGGroup] Naked Woman in Ngajad Tantrik Performance ???
>> नगजाड़
>> > तंत्र
>> > पूजा में औरत को नंगा हो कर ही क्यों पूजा करवानी पडती है ?
>> >
>> >
>> >>नगजाड़तंत्रपूजामेंऔरतकोनंगाहोकरहीक्योंपूजाकरवानीपडतीहै?
>> >> तत्वानीयानिनिलयमध्यात्वान्ते व्यज्यते परा(विज्ञानं भैरव, ५४ )
>> >> If one mediates on the subtle and subletest elements in one's own
>> body
>> >> or
>> >>of the world as if they are merging one after another , then in the end
>> the
>> >>
>> >>sSupreme is revealed ((Vigyan Bhairav 54 )
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>> >
>> > Regards
>> > B. C. Kukreti
>> > Director
>> > Factory Retail (I) Limited
>> > 3, White Hose, 154 Sher E Punjab ,
>> > Near Tolani College
>> > Andheri (East)
>> > Mumbai 40093
>> > Contact 9920066774
>> >
>>
>>
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>>
>>
>> Regards
>> *B. C. Kukreti *
>> *Director *
>> *Factory Retail (I) Limited *
>> 3, White Hose, 154 Sher E Punjab ,
>> Near Tolani College
>> Andheri (East)
>> Mumbai 40093
>> Contact 9920066774
>>
>
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Kukretiji,We are not in PAST anymore. We are in present and looking forward to future.If you want an still want an explanation as why "A naked women should dance in front of tantrik and other people" is ridiculous, than I have no more words to offer to you. In my views it is called perverted thinking. Not sure what words you have in your literature for it.Again just because you are moderator and no one screens your posts does not give you a right to impose your litrature on to the group. If this is the case, then your emails will go in trash going forward. Not sure how many of the group maembers want this trash but definitely not me.--Warm RegardsMayank
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