A&M/tu and the constitution?
Donald L. Nash
<ckgo...@mail.utexas.edu> wrote:
>kco...@tam2000.tamu.edu (Wade Eric Bynum) wrote:
>> Finnally, does anyone know of
>> any place on the internet that I can get the reconstruction constitution?
>
>http://www.window.texas.gov/txgovinf/txconst.html
That's the current constitution. I think Wade wants a copy of the
constitution that was in effect during Reconstruction (Wade?).
++Don Nash
Internet: D.N...@utexas.edu The University of Texas System
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Jonathan Jones
-> Howdy,
-> Lately I have saw a lot of tea-sips posting about the Texas Constitution.
-> They are very fond of pointing out how the 1876 constitution says, "The
-> Agricultural and Mechanical College of Texas, established by an Act of the
-> Legislature passed April 17th, 1871, located in the county of Brazos, is
-> hereby made, and constituted a Branch of the University of Texas,..." My
-> question is: Did the reconstruction legislature make A&M a "seperate"
-> college. By the wording of the 1876 constitution, which clearly states
-> that tu was formed at that time, I am led to believe this.
Well, for what it's worth, the Constitution does refer to Texas A&M
University and The Texas A&M University System several times. That
passage is just out-of-date. Let the 'sips keep arguing about
irrelevant[tm][(c) 1995 Jonathan Jones] things, and we'll just keep
whipping their butts on the football field.
-> So would this
-> make A&M the first college in Texas? Were there any private institutions
-> in 1871?
No, I know there was at least Baylor (which had its 150th birthday recently).
-> Also, why does the A&M seal say 1876? I figure it is because that
-> A&M did not phisically exist until 1876. Finnally, does anyone know of
-> any place on the internet that I can get the reconstruction constitution?
-> Thanks.
-> Ps. I am cross-posting this so any knowledgable tea-sip can give some input.
"Knowledgeable tea-sip"? Contradiction in terms.
;)
Jon J.
A&M '97
Wade Eric Bynum
Lately I have saw a lot of tea-sips posting about the Texas Constitution.
make A&M the first college in Texas? Were there any private institutions
A&M did not phisically exist until 1876. Finnally, does anyone know of
Ps. I am cross-posting this so any knowledgable tea-sip can give some input.
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Craig K. Gowens
> They are very fond of pointing out how the 1876 constitution says, "The
> Agricultural and Mechanical College of Texas, established by an Act of the
> Legislature passed April 17th, 1871, located in the county of Brazos, is
> hereby made, and constituted a Branch of the University of Texas,..." My
> question is: Did the reconstruction legislature make A&M a "seperate"
> college. By the wording of the 1876 constitution, which clearly states
a&m was "psuedo-established" in 1871, but under the 1876 constitution, it
was made as a part of the University of Texas. a&m was separate, but the
board of regents of the UT system could, and still can technically, make
policy on a&m. It is a constituent institution of UT.
> So would this
> make a&m the first college in Texas? Were there any private institutions
> in 1871?
Public? Yes. Baylor was formed in the 1840's I believe and is the oldest
university in the state.
> Also, why does the a&m seal say 1876? I figure it is because that
> A&M did not phisically exist until 1876.
You are correct here. Before 1876, a&m existed only in the letter of the
law and not as a physical institution.
> Finnally, does anyone know of
> any place on the internet that I can get the reconstruction constitution?
http://www.window.texas.gov/txgovinf/txconst.html
> Ps. I am cross-posting this so any knowledgable [Longhorn] can give some input.
Once again, Longhorns having to inform aggies of the way it is.
Craig K. Gowens
Hook'em Horns
Texas Baseball page:
http://www.utexas.edu/students/mohill/baseball/baseball.html
Benjamin J. Sloan
>university in the state.
Baylor was formed in 1845 at Independence in Washington County. It
remains the largest Baptist university in the world. (This information
courtesy of the Texas Historical Commission, who posted a plaque
in front of the Baylor Main Building, which I read Sunday, after
checking out the live blackbears penned in the middle of that
otherwise pretty campus.)
Also, FWIW, Texas President Lamar set aside land for state
universities in 1839. This probably represents the earliest
concrete foundations, so to speak, of Texas universities.
>Once again, Longhorns having to inform aggies of the way it is.
Or at least do the research that Aggies can't be bothered to do
themselves. ;-)
Ben
UT'95
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b...@utig.ig.utexas.edu Just say "NO! Get your own!"
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
Gary W. Smith
JEALOUS are YOU.
UTexas is known as the Texas A&M of the Hill Country.
btw Craig, with UTexas eliminated from post-season baseball play,
has Gus apologized yet for turning the program into an SWC also-ran?
Are the orange-bloods calling for his head?
- goober (just wondering) smith
Wade Eric Bynum
Gary W. Smith <goo...@tam2000.tamu.edu> wrote:
>
>btw Craig, with UTexas eliminated from post-season baseball play,
>has Gus apologized yet for turning the program into an SWC also-ran?
>Are the orange-bloods calling for his head?
>
>- goober (just wondering) smith
>
Not to sound like a tea-sip or anything, but how has tu been eliminated
from post-season baseball play?
Craig K. Gowens
> >
> >btw Craig, with UTexas eliminated from post-season baseball play,
> >has Gus apologized yet for turning the program into an SWC also-ran?
> >Are the orange-bloods calling for his head?
>
> from post-season baseball play?
UT has not been eliminated. You see, Wade, goob has this unique problem
that causes him to recognize UT as TCU and vice versa. Texas needs only
one win or a TCU loss to be assured a spot in the conference tourney.
Goob shoots himself in the foot on this one. For UT to be eliminated
a&m would have to win all three games this weekend, and then next weekend
lose all three games to TCU. Boy goob, I didn't know you'd cheer against
a&m.
Wade Eric Bynum
>policy on a&m. It is a constituent institution of UT.
>
I seriously doubt this. The constitution list the components of the
tu system and A&M is not listed. A&M is seperate with its own system
of component institutions.
>> Finnally, does anyone know of
>> any place on the internet that I can get the reconstruction constitution?
>
>http://www.window.texas.gov/txgovinf/txconst.html
>
>Once again, Longhorns having to inform aggies of the way it is.
>
Criag, while I do appreciate your response, you need to be informed before
you start informing us Aggies. The www page you gave above is for the
post reconstruction constitution. I specifically ask for the reconstruction
constitution.
In the Nose
In a thought-provoking work of outstanding literary achievement, Wade Eric
Bynum (kco...@tam2000.tamu.edu) wrote:
> Lately I have saw a lot of tea-sips posting about the Texas Constitution.
^^^
seen
>They are very fond of pointing out how the 1876 constitution says, "The
^^^^
Constitution
>Agricultural and Mechanical College of Texas, established by an Act of the
>Legislature passed April 17th, 1871, located in the county of Brazos, is
>hereby made, and constituted a Branch of the University of Texas,..." My
>question is: Did the reconstruction legislature make A&M a "seperate"
^^^ ^^^^
did "separate"
>college. By the wording of the 1876 constitution, which clearly states
^^^ ^^^
college ? Constitution
>that tu was formed at that time, I am led to believe this. So would this
^^
UT
>make A&M the first college in Texas? Were there any private institutions
>in 1871? Also, why does the A&M seal say 1876? I figure it is because that
^^^^
(delete)
>A&M did not phisically exist until 1876. Finnally, does anyone know of
^^^^ ^^^^
physically Finally
>any place on the internet that I can get the reconstruction constitution?
>Thanks.
>
>Ps. I am cross-posting this so any knowledgable tea-sip can give some input.
^^
P.S.
Let me guess, you had to take the TOEFL?
Gary W. Smith
->> Gary W. Smith <goo...@tam2000.tamu.edu> wrote:
->> >
->> >btw Craig, with UTexas eliminated from post-season baseball play,
->> >has Gus apologized yet for turning the program into an SWC also-ran?
->> >Are the orange-bloods calling for his head?
->>
->> Not to sound like a tea-sip or anything, but how has tu been eliminated
->> from post-season baseball play?
->
->UT has not been eliminated. You see, Wade, goob has this unique problem
->that causes him to recognize UT as TCU and vice versa. Texas needs only
->one win or a TCU loss to be assured a spot in the conference tourney.
->Goob shoots himself in the foot on this one. For UT to be eliminated
->a&m would have to win all three games this weekend, and then next weekend
->lose all three games to TCU. Boy goob, I didn't know you'd cheer against
->a&m.
Oops, my bad. I keep confusing UTexas and TCU. Sorry about that.
- goober (deepest apologies) smith
Bradley Dale Glover
Andrew Hackard
>
>JEALOUS are YOU.
>UTexas is known as the Texas A&M of the Hill Country.
Hmph. And in Austin, Texas A&M is known as the only state-funded
community college, so I guess it balances.
Truthfully, though I am a proud Texas Ex, both schools are excellent in
their own way and in their own fields. A classicist or astronomer would
be as out of place at A&M as a pre-vet or civil engineer would at UT.
Frankly, this rivalry is siphoning important energy away from other, more
important things...like making sure the Sooners never enjoy a trip south
again.
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Thomas A. Gunter
(in response to a GSP flame by In the Nose <sim...@info.works.org> in
which Mr. Nose made some mistakes of his own) wrote:
>(perhaps indicative of the quality of education available
>at the University of Texas? Nah, that'd be a stupid
>generalization with such a limited basis)
It would be an bad generalization, since we don't know if Mr. Nose
ever attended our fine school. Or your fine school. Or any school,
for that matter.
If you gopher to info.works.org (which seems to be part of the
Eden Matrix), you'll see that he's the "Construction supervisor"
for the "InfoWorks Gopher" for the "Texas Alliance for Human Needs."
I guess grammar/spelling/punctuation flames are higher on his list
of human needs than they are on ours. When I have a human need for
them, I jump over to alt.flame.spelling, which is where they belong.
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Keith Baird
> make A&M the first college in Texas? Were there any private institutions
> in 1871?
The oldest institution of higher learning in Texas is Southwestern
University, located in Georgetown. To cite their catalog:
The forerunner of [Southwestern] University, Ruttersville College,
was chartered by the Republic of Texas in 1840, making it the
first college in what was to become the State of Texas. The
three other colleges founded by pioneer Methodists and united in
one central college in Georgetown in 1873 were Wesleyan College,
chartered in 1844; McKenzie College, 1848; and Soule University,
1856. When the five Methodist Conferences of Texas located the
central institution in Georgetown it was known as Texas University
[!]. In 1875, that name was ceded to the State of Texas and the
present name, Southwestern University, adopted.
This, apparently, is the source of the general Aggie confusion over the
proper abbreviation for the State's flagship institution of learning
("TU" versus the more elegant & appropriate "UT"). They never got the
news about Southwestern's name change in 1875.
--/<eith
David Boucher
jej...@tamu.edu (Jonathan Jones) writes:
> whipping their butts on the football field.
Shame you can't do it without cheating.
david
David Boucher
Department of Petroleum & Geosystems Engineering
University of Texas at Austin
Austin, Texas 78712
Jonathan Jones
=> Once again, Longhorns having to inform aggies of the way it is.
Benjamin J. Sloan wrote:
-> Or at least do the research that Aggies can't be bothered to do
-> themselves. ;-)
Well, if our library had any books, we might be more inclined to bother.
Jon J.
A&M '97
Jonathan Jones
-> UT has not been eliminated. You see, Wade, goob has this unique problem
-> that causes him to recognize UT as TCU and vice versa. Texas needs only
-> one win or a TCU loss to be assured a spot in the conference tourney.
-> Goob shoots himself in the foot on this one. For UT to be eliminated
-> a&m would have to win all three games this weekend, and then next weekend
-> lose all three games to TCU. Boy goob, I didn't know you'd cheer against
-> a&m.
Cool!!! Y'mean that's all we have to do? If we sweep the series, I'll be
sure and let the team know about the TCU thing.
Jon J.
A&M '97
Jonathan Jones
grammar/spelling/punctuation flame here. Unfortunately
(perhaps indicative of the quality of education available
at the University of Texas? Nah, that'd be a stupid
few errors yourself, which, stickler that you are, I'm
sure you'll want to know about:
In the Nose wrote:
-> >question is: Did the reconstruction legislature make A&M a "seperate"
-> ^^^ ^^^^
-> did "separate"
^
Capitalization is quite optional here.
-> >college. By the wording of the 1876 constitution, which clearly states
-> ^^^ ^^^
-> college ? Constitution
^ (extra space not needed) OOPS!
-> >Ps. I am cross-posting this so any knowledgable tea-sip can give some input.
-> ^^
-> P.S.
^^^^
P.S.:
-> Let me guess, you had to take the TOEFL?
^
^ .
(run-on sentence) Let me guess: you...
I hope I've helped. I know you're on the look out for
those nasty glitches. Maybe this will help you in
your efforts to rid Usenet of such sloppiness as arises
when users make insignificant typos, take liberties
aiming toward emulating spoken English, or just don't
give a damn, as long as they get their messages across.
Sincerely,
Jon J.
A&M '97
Bradley Dale Glover
>Truthfully, though I am a proud Texas Ex, both schools are excellent in
>their own way and in their own fields. A classicist or astronomer would
>be as out of place at A&M as a pre-vet or civil engineer would at UT.
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
UT's civil engineering program is one of the best in the country. It
ranks higher (nationally) than any of the other UT engineering disciplines.
TEXAS PROUD
bonfahr[try "agricultural" engineer]bradley
University of Texas '95
Dudley R. Snyder
<3nmgo9$5...@freeside.fc.net>, said...
>Truthfully, though I am a proud Texas Ex, both schools are excellent in
>their own way and in their own fields. A classicist or astronomer would
>be as out of place at A&M as a pre-vet or civil engineer would at UT.
>
What the hell are you talking about? UT has the 4th best ranked civil
engineering department in the country, right behind MIT, Cal Berkely and
Illinois (US News & World Report, March 20, 1995) and the 8th best engineering
school compared to A&M's 17.
---------------------------------
Dudley R. Snyder
dudley...@mail.utexas.edu
---------------------------------
Bradley Dale Glover
>David Boucher (bou...@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu) replied to a thread xposted
>to tamu.general and utexas.general, after first clipping the tamu.general
>part off:
>=> jej...@tamu.edu (Jonathan Jones) writes:
>=> > whipping their butts on the football field.
>=> Shame you can't do it without cheating.
>Shame you don't have the balls to post outside of your newsgroup.
Which means you read utexas.general? Texas envy. It's sweeping the nation.
-bdg-
Jason E Pierce
to tamu.general and utexas.general, after first clipping the tamu.general
part off:
=> jej...@tamu.edu (Jonathan Jones) writes:
=> > whipping their butts on the football field.
=> Shame you can't do it without cheating.
=> david
Shame you don't have the balls to post outside of your newsgroup.
--
Danny Woodfill
>This, apparently, is the source of the general Aggie confusion over the
>proper abbreviation for the State's flagship institution of learning
>("TU" versus the more elegant & appropriate "UT"). They never got the
>news about Southwestern's name change in 1875.
>--/<eith
No.....we got the name change thats why we call the other state school in
Austin, t.u. That way no unfortunate tee-sips would get confused.
Sorry that it didn't work in your case.....even The Best Engineers in
the world can account for all the things a tee-sip might do.
-Danny
dcw...@zeus.tamu.edu
>This, apparently, is the source of the general Aggie confusion over the
>proper abbreviation for the State's flagship institution of learning
>("TU" versus the more elegant & appropriate "UT"). They never got the
>news about Southwestern's name change in 1875.
>--/<eith
No....we got the name change, thats why we call the state school,
in Austin, t.u. We try to do these things as not to confuse those
unwitting tee-sips. Sorry that it didn't work in your case. Not even
Best Engineers in the world can adjust for all the mistakes a tee-sip
will make......we'll try to explain these things slower next time...
-Danny
red Ass
class of '97
Chris W. Parker
[snip]
>Not even
>Best Engineers in the world can adjust for all the mistakes a tee-sip
>will make......we'll try to explain these things slower next time...
and maybe next time when you screw up your first article, you can kill it
before posting a corrected article...
>red Ass
yeah, i suppose you are
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Jeremy Lumpkin <dcw...@zeus.tamu.edu> wrote:
| In article <3nv9nb$p...@news.tamu.edu>, dcw...@zeus.tamu.edu says:
|
| >No....we got the name change, thats why we call the state school,
| >in Austin, t.u. We try to do these things as not to confuse those
| >will make......we'll try to explain these things slower next time...
|
|
| - I was being visited by teesips....... musta rubbed off some.......
Well, at least this time your grammar is marginally better this time
... the last time I had trouble actually trying to see what you were
trying to say.
So, no need to apologize. Let's call this one a clarification of your
other article.
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Jeremy Lumpkin
>No....we got the name change, thats why we call the state school,
>in Austin, t.u. We try to do these things as not to confuse those
>unwitting tee-sips. Sorry that it didn't work in your case. Not even
>Best Engineers in the world can adjust for all the mistakes a tee-sip
>will make......we'll try to explain these things slower next time...
>
>-Danny
>red Ass
>class of '97
Craig K. Gowens
>
>No.....we got the name change thats why we call the other state school in
>Austin, t.u. That way no unfortunate tee-sips would get confused.
>Sorry that it didn't work in your case.....even The Best Engineers in
>the world can account for all the things a tee-sip might do.
Article VII, Section 12 of the Constitution of the State of Texas declares the
University of Texas to be the university of the first rate. Article VII, Section
13 designates the Argicultural and Mechanical College of Texas as a Branch and the
University of Texas. Therefore, a&m is more accurately known as The University of
Texas at college station. Your confusion is over the fact the a&m System is the
property of the University of Texas System and, not willing to admit this, a&m
attempts to diminutize their mother institution by refering to it as t.u.
Southwestern provided the diminutive since it was at one time Texas University, a
Methodist school which had no connection to the University of Texas, a state
school.
sik...@sneezy.cc.utexas.edu
: No.....we got the name change thats why we call the other state school in
: Austin, t.u. That way no unfortunate tee-sips would get confused.
: Sorry that it didn't work in your case.....even The Best Engineers in
: the world can account for all the things a tee-sip might do.
The more of this idiotic aggie babbling I see, the happier I am I decided
not to attend that hellhole.
Thomas A. Gunter
David Boucher <bou...@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu> wrote:
>Cool, I like that, The University of Texas at College Station....
Don't glorify that poor excuse for a railyard.
The University of Texas at Bryan -- now, that's more like it.
David Boucher
"Craig K. Gowens" <ckgo...@mail.utexas.edu> writes:
> Article VII, Section 12 of the Constitution of the State of Texas declares the
> University of Texas to be the university of the first rate. Article VII, Section
> 13 designates the Argicultural and Mechanical College of Texas as a Branch and the
> University of Texas. Therefore, a&m is more accurately known as The University of
> Texas at college station. Your confusion is over the fact the a&m System is the
> property of the University of Texas System and, not willing to admit this, a&m
> attempts to diminutize their mother institution by refering to it as t.u.
Cool, I like that, The University of Texas at College Station....
david