A&M/tu and the constitution?
Donald L. Nash
<ckgo...@mail.utexas.edu> wrote:
>kco...@tam2000.tamu.edu (Wade Eric Bynum) wrote:
>> Finnally, does anyone know of
>> any place on the internet that I can get the reconstruction constitution?
>
>http://www.window.texas.gov/txgovinf/txconst.html
That's the current constitution. I think Wade wants a copy of the
constitution that was in effect during Reconstruction (Wade?).
++Don Nash
Internet: D.N...@utexas.edu The University of Texas System
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Jonathan Jones
-> Howdy,
-> Lately I have saw a lot of tea-sips posting about the Texas Constitution.
-> They are very fond of pointing out how the 1876 constitution says, "The
-> Agricultural and Mechanical College of Texas, established by an Act of the
-> Legislature passed April 17th, 1871, located in the county of Brazos, is
-> hereby made, and constituted a Branch of the University of Texas,..." My
-> question is: Did the reconstruction legislature make A&M a "seperate"
-> college. By the wording of the 1876 constitution, which clearly states
-> that tu was formed at that time, I am led to believe this.
Well, for what it's worth, the Constitution does refer to Texas A&M
University and The Texas A&M University System several times. That
passage is just out-of-date. Let the 'sips keep arguing about
irrelevant[tm][(c) 1995 Jonathan Jones] things, and we'll just keep
whipping their butts on the football field.
-> So would this
-> make A&M the first college in Texas? Were there any private institutions
-> in 1871?
No, I know there was at least Baylor (which had its 150th birthday recently).
-> Also, why does the A&M seal say 1876? I figure it is because that
-> A&M did not phisically exist until 1876. Finnally, does anyone know of
-> any place on the internet that I can get the reconstruction constitution?
-> Thanks.
-> Ps. I am cross-posting this so any knowledgable tea-sip can give some input.
"Knowledgeable tea-sip"? Contradiction in terms.
;)
Jon J.
A&M '97
Wade Eric Bynum
Lately I have saw a lot of tea-sips posting about the Texas Constitution.
make A&M the first college in Texas? Were there any private institutions
A&M did not phisically exist until 1876. Finnally, does anyone know of
Ps. I am cross-posting this so any knowledgable tea-sip can give some input.
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Craig K. Gowens
> They are very fond of pointing out how the 1876 constitution says, "The
> Agricultural and Mechanical College of Texas, established by an Act of the
> Legislature passed April 17th, 1871, located in the county of Brazos, is
> hereby made, and constituted a Branch of the University of Texas,..." My
> question is: Did the reconstruction legislature make A&M a "seperate"
> college. By the wording of the 1876 constitution, which clearly states
a&m was "psuedo-established" in 1871, but under the 1876 constitution, it
was made as a part of the University of Texas. a&m was separate, but the
board of regents of the UT system could, and still can technically, make
policy on a&m. It is a constituent institution of UT.
> So would this
> make a&m the first college in Texas? Were there any private institutions
> in 1871?
Public? Yes. Baylor was formed in the 1840's I believe and is the oldest
university in the state.
> Also, why does the a&m seal say 1876? I figure it is because that
> A&M did not phisically exist until 1876.
You are correct here. Before 1876, a&m existed only in the letter of the
law and not as a physical institution.
> Finnally, does anyone know of
> any place on the internet that I can get the reconstruction constitution?
http://www.window.texas.gov/txgovinf/txconst.html
> Ps. I am cross-posting this so any knowledgable [Longhorn] can give some input.
Once again, Longhorns having to inform aggies of the way it is.
Craig K. Gowens
Hook'em Horns
Texas Baseball page:
http://www.utexas.edu/students/mohill/baseball/baseball.html
Benjamin J. Sloan
>university in the state.
Baylor was formed in 1845 at Independence in Washington County. It
remains the largest Baptist university in the world. (This information
courtesy of the Texas Historical Commission, who posted a plaque
in front of the Baylor Main Building, which I read Sunday, after
checking out the live blackbears penned in the middle of that
otherwise pretty campus.)
Also, FWIW, Texas President Lamar set aside land for state
universities in 1839. This probably represents the earliest
concrete foundations, so to speak, of Texas universities.
>Once again, Longhorns having to inform aggies of the way it is.
Or at least do the research that Aggies can't be bothered to do
themselves. ;-)
Ben
UT'95
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Benjamin Sloan
b...@utig.ig.utexas.edu Just say "NO! Get your own!"
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
Gary W. Smith
JEALOUS are YOU.
UTexas is known as the Texas A&M of the Hill Country.
btw Craig, with UTexas eliminated from post-season baseball play,
has Gus apologized yet for turning the program into an SWC also-ran?
Are the orange-bloods calling for his head?
- goober (just wondering) smith
Wade Eric Bynum
Gary W. Smith <goo...@tam2000.tamu.edu> wrote:
>
>btw Craig, with UTexas eliminated from post-season baseball play,
>has Gus apologized yet for turning the program into an SWC also-ran?
>Are the orange-bloods calling for his head?
>
>- goober (just wondering) smith
>
Not to sound like a tea-sip or anything, but how has tu been eliminated
from post-season baseball play?
Craig K. Gowens
> >
> >btw Craig, with UTexas eliminated from post-season baseball play,
> >has Gus apologized yet for turning the program into an SWC also-ran?
> >Are the orange-bloods calling for his head?
>
> from post-season baseball play?
UT has not been eliminated. You see, Wade, goob has this unique problem
that causes him to recognize UT as TCU and vice versa. Texas needs only
one win or a TCU loss to be assured a spot in the conference tourney.
Goob shoots himself in the foot on this one. For UT to be eliminated
a&m would have to win all three games this weekend, and then next weekend
lose all three games to TCU. Boy goob, I didn't know you'd cheer against
a&m.
Wade Eric Bynum
>policy on a&m. It is a constituent institution of UT.
>
I seriously doubt this. The constitution list the components of the
tu system and A&M is not listed. A&M is seperate with its own system
of component institutions.
>> Finnally, does anyone know of
>> any place on the internet that I can get the reconstruction constitution?
>
>http://www.window.texas.gov/txgovinf/txconst.html
>
>Once again, Longhorns having to inform aggies of the way it is.
>
Criag, while I do appreciate your response, you need to be informed before
you start informing us Aggies. The www page you gave above is for the
post reconstruction constitution. I specifically ask for the reconstruction
constitution.
In the Nose
In a thought-provoking work of outstanding literary achievement, Wade Eric
Bynum (kco...@tam2000.tamu.edu) wrote:
> Lately I have saw a lot of tea-sips posting about the Texas Constitution.
^^^
seen
>They are very fond of pointing out how the 1876 constitution says, "The
^^^^
Constitution
>Agricultural and Mechanical College of Texas, established by an Act of the
>Legislature passed April 17th, 1871, located in the county of Brazos, is
>hereby made, and constituted a Branch of the University of Texas,..." My
>question is: Did the reconstruction legislature make A&M a "seperate"
^^^ ^^^^
did "separate"
>college. By the wording of the 1876 constitution, which clearly states
^^^ ^^^
college ? Constitution
>that tu was formed at that time, I am led to believe this. So would this
^^
UT
>make A&M the first college in Texas? Were there any private institutions
>in 1871? Also, why does the A&M seal say 1876? I figure it is because that
^^^^
(delete)
>A&M did not phisically exist until 1876. Finnally, does anyone know of
^^^^ ^^^^
physically Finally
>any place on the internet that I can get the reconstruction constitution?
>Thanks.
>
>Ps. I am cross-posting this so any knowledgable tea-sip can give some input.
^^
P.S.
Let me guess, you had to take the TOEFL?
Gary W. Smith
->> Gary W. Smith <goo...@tam2000.tamu.edu> wrote:
->> >
->> >btw Craig, with UTexas eliminated from post-season baseball play,
->> >has Gus apologized yet for turning the program into an SWC also-ran?
->> >Are the orange-bloods calling for his head?
->>
->> Not to sound like a tea-sip or anything, but how has tu been eliminated
->> from post-season baseball play?
->
->UT has not been eliminated. You see, Wade, goob has this unique problem
->that causes him to recognize UT as TCU and vice versa. Texas needs only
->one win or a TCU loss to be assured a spot in the conference tourney.
->Goob shoots himself in the foot on this one. For UT to be eliminated
->a&m would have to win all three games this weekend, and then next weekend
->lose all three games to TCU. Boy goob, I didn't know you'd cheer against
->a&m.
Oops, my bad. I keep confusing UTexas and TCU. Sorry about that.
- goober (deepest apologies) smith
Bradley Dale Glover
Andrew Hackard
>
>JEALOUS are YOU.
>UTexas is known as the Texas A&M of the Hill Country.
Hmph. And in Austin, Texas A&M is known as the only state-funded
community college, so I guess it balances.
Truthfully, though I am a proud Texas Ex, both schools are excellent in
their own way and in their own fields. A classicist or astronomer would
be as out of place at A&M as a pre-vet or civil engineer would at UT.
Frankly, this rivalry is siphoning important energy away from other, more
important things...like making sure the Sooners never enjoy a trip south
again.
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Thomas A. Gunter
(in response to a GSP flame by In the Nose <sim...@info.works.org> in
which Mr. Nose made some mistakes of his own) wrote:
>(perhaps indicative of the quality of education available
>at the University of Texas? Nah, that'd be a stupid
>generalization with such a limited basis)
It would be an bad generalization, since we don't know if Mr. Nose
ever attended our fine school. Or your fine school. Or any school,
for that matter.
If you gopher to info.works.org (which seems to be part of the
Eden Matrix), you'll see that he's the "Construction supervisor"
for the "InfoWorks Gopher" for the "Texas Alliance for Human Needs."
I guess grammar/spelling/punctuation flames are higher on his list
of human needs than they are on ours. When I have a human need for
them, I jump over to alt.flame.spelling, which is where they belong.
tom
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Keith Baird
> make A&M the first college in Texas? Were there any private institutions
> in 1871?
The oldest institution of higher learning in Texas is Southwestern
University, located in Georgetown. To cite their catalog:
The forerunner of [Southwestern] University, Ruttersville College,
was chartered by the Republic of Texas in 1840, making it the
first college in what was to become the State of Texas. The
three other colleges founded by pioneer Methodists and united in
one central college in Georgetown in 1873 were Wesleyan College,
chartered in 1844; McKenzie College, 1848; and Soule University,
1856. When the five Methodist Conferences of Texas located the
central institution in Georgetown it was known as Texas University
[!]. In 1875, that name was ceded to the State of Texas and the
present name, Southwestern University, adopted.
This, apparently, is the source of the general Aggie confusion over the
proper abbreviation for the State's flagship institution of learning
("TU" versus the more elegant & appropriate "UT"). They never got the
news about Southwestern's name change in 1875.
--/<eith
David Boucher
jej...@tamu.edu (Jonathan Jones) writes:
> whipping their butts on the football field.
Shame you can't do it without cheating.
david
David Boucher
Department of Petroleum & Geosystems Engineering
University of Texas at Austin
Austin, Texas 78712
Jonathan Jones
=> Once again, Longhorns having to inform aggies of the way it is.
Benjamin J. Sloan wrote:
-> Or at least do the research that Aggies can't be bothered to do
-> themselves. ;-)
Well, if our library had any books, we might be more inclined to bother.
Jon J.
A&M '97
Jonathan Jones
-> UT has not been eliminated. You see, Wade, goob has this unique problem
-> that causes him to recognize UT as TCU and vice versa. Texas needs only
-> one win or a TCU loss to be assured a spot in the conference tourney.
-> Goob shoots himself in the foot on this one. For UT to be eliminated
-> a&m would have to win all three games this weekend, and then next weekend
-> lose all three games to TCU. Boy goob, I didn't know you'd cheer against
-> a&m.
Cool!!! Y'mean that's all we have to do? If we sweep the series, I'll be
sure and let the team know about the TCU thing.
Jon J.
A&M '97
Jonathan Jones
grammar/spelling/punctuation flame here. Unfortunately
(perhaps indicative of the quality of education available
at the University of Texas? Nah, that'd be a stupid
few errors yourself, which, stickler that you are, I'm
sure you'll want to know about:
In the Nose wrote:
-> >question is: Did the reconstruction legislature make A&M a "seperate"
-> ^^^ ^^^^
-> did "separate"
^
Capitalization is quite optional here.
-> >college. By the wording of the 1876 constitution, which clearly states
-> ^^^ ^^^
-> college ? Constitution
^ (extra space not needed) OOPS!
-> >Ps. I am cross-posting this so any knowledgable tea-sip can give some input.
-> ^^
-> P.S.
^^^^
P.S.:
-> Let me guess, you had to take the TOEFL?
^
^ .
(run-on sentence) Let me guess: you...
I hope I've helped. I know you're on the look out for
those nasty glitches. Maybe this will help you in
your efforts to rid Usenet of such sloppiness as arises
when users make insignificant typos, take liberties
aiming toward emulating spoken English, or just don't
give a damn, as long as they get their messages across.
Sincerely,
Jon J.
A&M '97
Bradley Dale Glover
>Truthfully, though I am a proud Texas Ex, both schools are excellent in
>their own way and in their own fields. A classicist or astronomer would
>be as out of place at A&M as a pre-vet or civil engineer would at UT.
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
UT's civil engineering program is one of the best in the country. It
ranks higher (nationally) than any of the other UT engineering disciplines.
TEXAS PROUD
bonfahr[try "agricultural" engineer]bradley
University of Texas '95
Dudley R. Snyder
<3nmgo9$5...@freeside.fc.net>, said...
>Truthfully, though I am a proud Texas Ex, both schools are excellent in
>their own way and in their own fields. A classicist or astronomer would
>be as out of place at A&M as a pre-vet or civil engineer would at UT.
>
What the hell are you talking about? UT has the 4th best ranked civil
engineering department in the country, right behind MIT, Cal Berkely and
Illinois (US News & World Report, March 20, 1995) and the 8th best engineering
school compared to A&M's 17.
---------------------------------
Dudley R. Snyder
dudley...@mail.utexas.edu
---------------------------------
Bradley Dale Glover
>David Boucher (bou...@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu) replied to a thread xposted
>to tamu.general and utexas.general, after first clipping the tamu.general
>part off:
>=> jej...@tamu.edu (Jonathan Jones) writes:
>=> > whipping their butts on the football field.
>=> Shame you can't do it without cheating.
>Shame you don't have the balls to post outside of your newsgroup.
Which means you read utexas.general? Texas envy. It's sweeping the nation.
-bdg-
Jason E Pierce
to tamu.general and utexas.general, after first clipping the tamu.general
part off:
=> jej...@tamu.edu (Jonathan Jones) writes:
=> > whipping their butts on the football field.
=> Shame you can't do it without cheating.
=> david
Shame you don't have the balls to post outside of your newsgroup.
--
Danny Woodfill
>This, apparently, is the source of the general Aggie confusion over the
>proper abbreviation for the State's flagship institution of learning
>("TU" versus the more elegant & appropriate "UT"). They never got the
>news about Southwestern's name change in 1875.
>--/<eith
No.....we got the name change thats why we call the other state school in
Austin, t.u. That way no unfortunate tee-sips would get confused.
Sorry that it didn't work in your case.....even The Best Engineers in
the world can account for all the things a tee-sip might do.
-Danny
dcw...@zeus.tamu.edu
>This, apparently, is the source of the general Aggie confusion over the
>proper abbreviation for the State's flagship institution of learning
>("TU" versus the more elegant & appropriate "UT"). They never got the
>news about Southwestern's name change in 1875.
>--/<eith
No....we got the name change, thats why we call the state school,
in Austin, t.u. We try to do these things as not to confuse those
unwitting tee-sips. Sorry that it didn't work in your case. Not even
Best Engineers in the world can adjust for all the mistakes a tee-sip
will make......we'll try to explain these things slower next time...
-Danny
red Ass
class of '97
Chris W. Parker
[snip]
>Not even
>Best Engineers in the world can adjust for all the mistakes a tee-sip
>will make......we'll try to explain these things slower next time...
and maybe next time when you screw up your first article, you can kill it
before posting a corrected article...
>red Ass
yeah, i suppose you are
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Doug McLaren
Jeremy Lumpkin <dcw...@zeus.tamu.edu> wrote:
| In article <3nv9nb$p...@news.tamu.edu>, dcw...@zeus.tamu.edu says:
|
| >No....we got the name change, thats why we call the state school,
| >in Austin, t.u. We try to do these things as not to confuse those
| >will make......we'll try to explain these things slower next time...
|
|
| - I was being visited by teesips....... musta rubbed off some.......
Well, at least this time your grammar is marginally better this time
... the last time I had trouble actually trying to see what you were
trying to say.
So, no need to apologize. Let's call this one a clarification of your
other article.
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Jeremy Lumpkin
>No....we got the name change, thats why we call the state school,
>in Austin, t.u. We try to do these things as not to confuse those
>unwitting tee-sips. Sorry that it didn't work in your case. Not even
>Best Engineers in the world can adjust for all the mistakes a tee-sip
>will make......we'll try to explain these things slower next time...
>
>-Danny
>red Ass
>class of '97
Craig K. Gowens
>
>No.....we got the name change thats why we call the other state school in
>Austin, t.u. That way no unfortunate tee-sips would get confused.
>Sorry that it didn't work in your case.....even The Best Engineers in
>the world can account for all the things a tee-sip might do.
Article VII, Section 12 of the Constitution of the State of Texas declares the
University of Texas to be the university of the first rate. Article VII, Section
13 designates the Argicultural and Mechanical College of Texas as a Branch and the
University of Texas. Therefore, a&m is more accurately known as The University of
Texas at college station. Your confusion is over the fact the a&m System is the
property of the University of Texas System and, not willing to admit this, a&m
attempts to diminutize their mother institution by refering to it as t.u.
Southwestern provided the diminutive since it was at one time Texas University, a
Methodist school which had no connection to the University of Texas, a state
school.
sik...@sneezy.cc.utexas.edu
: No.....we got the name change thats why we call the other state school in
: Austin, t.u. That way no unfortunate tee-sips would get confused.
: Sorry that it didn't work in your case.....even The Best Engineers in
: the world can account for all the things a tee-sip might do.
The more of this idiotic aggie babbling I see, the happier I am I decided
not to attend that hellhole.
Thomas A. Gunter
David Boucher <bou...@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu> wrote:
>Cool, I like that, The University of Texas at College Station....
Don't glorify that poor excuse for a railyard.
The University of Texas at Bryan -- now, that's more like it.
David Boucher
"Craig K. Gowens" <ckgo...@mail.utexas.edu> writes:
> Article VII, Section 12 of the Constitution of the State of Texas declares the
> University of Texas to be the university of the first rate. Article VII, Section
> 13 designates the Argicultural and Mechanical College of Texas as a Branch and the
> University of Texas. Therefore, a&m is more accurately known as The University of
> Texas at college station. Your confusion is over the fact the a&m System is the
> property of the University of Texas System and, not willing to admit this, a&m
> attempts to diminutize their mother institution by refering to it as t.u.
Cool, I like that, The University of Texas at College Station....
david
Craig K. Gowens
>David Boucher <bou...@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu> wrote:
>>Cool, I like that, The University of Texas at College Station....
>
>Don't glorify that poor excuse for a railyard.
>
>The University of Texas at Bryan -- now, that's more like it.
Hmmm, point well taken. They both are Brazos County, so UT-bryan it is.
Marty Hobratschk
friend who graduated from A&M and, poor fella, he was brainwashed into
saying "t.u." whenever he referred to my alma mater. That is, until
one day when I realized what t..u. really meant: The University. The
next time ol' Mike pulled that t.u. crap, I pointed out the obvious
meaning. He hasn't used it in my presence since.
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David Boucher
t...@uts.cc.utexas.edu (Thomas A. Gunter) writes:
> >Cool, I like that, The University of Texas at College Station....
>
> Don't glorify that poor excuse for a railyard.
>
> The University of Texas at Bryan -- now, that's more like it.
OK, well I think people will have a hard time adjusting to
Bryan when umat is in CS currently. I guess we could always
just get rid of CS.
David Boucher
ma...@bga.com (Marty Hobratschk) writes:
> Ya know, I used to let this whole t.u. thing bug me -- I have a close
> friend who graduated from A&M and, poor fella, he was brainwashed into
> saying "t.u." whenever he referred to my alma mater. That is, until
> one day when I realized what t..u. really meant: The University. The
> next time ol' Mike pulled that t.u. crap, I pointed out the obvious
> meaning. He hasn't used it in my presence since.
I like that even more that the University of Texas at Brazos
County/Bryan/College Station. What will my friend's in the Neo-Nazis
for the
Shaving of Heads and Brainwashing (aka the corps) think of this :)
Gary W. Smith
->University of Texas to be the university of the first rate. Article VII, Section
->13 designates the Argicultural and Mechanical College of Texas as a Branch and the
->University of Texas. Therefore, a&m is more accurately known as The University of
->Texas at college station. Your confusion is over the fact the a&m System is the
->property of the University of Texas System and, not willing to admit this, a&m
->attempts to diminutize their mother institution by refering to it as t.u.
->Southwestern provided the diminutive since it was at one time Texas University, a
->Methodist school which had no connection to the University of Texas, a state
->school.
->
-> Craig K. Gowens
-> Hook'em Horns
Craig, you are so cute!!!!!!!!
- goober (like a little wind-up doll) smith
Joe Bezdek
A little about me: I'm a former student of A&M that's currently studying
towards my M.S. in mechanical engineering here at U.T. Yes, U.T. -- t.u.,
whatever. I am, as you will find with many Aggies (though my over-zealous
brethren in the Corps may be exceptions), not paranoid about calling
"UT-Austin" just that. Of course, I'm also not shy about loudly calling
it "t.u." when the situation warrants it (e.g. the Longhorn "faithful"
bailing out on their baseball team in the top of the fourth inning last
weekend.)
As a popular shirt says in Aggieland: "On the outside looking in, you
can't understand it; on the inside looking out, you can't explain it."
That's absolutely the truth. No matter how badly we're outscored, or how
many times you beat us out for the SWC track championship (...), none of
our faith in our alma mater will be shaken.
I don't dispute U.T.'s many virtues, but I can say unequivocally that A&M
is a much better place to attend school. This holds especially true for
undergraduates. How do I know? Because I know this: if somehow I had
taken another road and attended U.T. instead of A&M for undergrad, I would
be a lot like you -- I'd complain about the parking, curse the screwy
registration system, bemoan the long lines to validate I.D.s, and I'd
probably even have learned the "TEXAS FIGHT!" yell by the time I
graduated; however, if our positions were reversed, and you'd attended A&M
instead of U.T., we'd also have a lot in common: we'd talk about how
there's nothing to do on the weekends in College Station (yes, we admit
this amongst ourselves...), we'd shake our heads at some of the
overzealous right-wingers on campus (not all of whom are in the Corps),
and we'd gasp about the stifling humidity. But on top of that, we'd share
something else: we'd both be Aggies. If you'd come to A&M, you'd be an
Aggie. If I'd come to U.T., I'd be a U.T. student.
Therein lies the difference.
Please don't take any of this personally. I've liked every person I've
met here at U.T., but I'll never think UT-Austin is a better place to
attend school than A&M.
Gig 'em,
-- Joe
P.S. If it makes you feel any better, the whole "the University" thing
really irks me. Not because it's a terribly clever come back to the
"t.u." business, but just because it's a bit arrogant.
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Joe Bezdek, TAMU '94 Mechanical Systems & Design
jbe...@mail.utexas.edu Graduate School of Engineering
http://ccwf.cc.utexas.edu/~jbezdek/ University of Texas at Austin
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Bradley Dale Glover
>A little about me: I'm a former student of A&M that's currently studying
>towards my M.S. in mechanical engineering here at U.T. Yes, U.T. -- t.u.,
>As a popular shirt says in Aggieland: "On the outside looking in, you
>can't understand it; on the inside looking out, you can't explain it."
>I don't dispute U.T.'s many virtues, but I can say unequivocally that A&M
>is a much better place to attend school.
>If you'd come to A&M, you'd be an
>Aggie. If I'd come to U.T., I'd be a U.T. student.
Boy, the flipside to this is going to be so interesting when I enroll in
grad school at A&M next fall. From "the inside looking out", I bet I can
explain it real well.
-bdg-
Doug McLaren
Joe Bezdek <jbe...@mail.utexas.edu> wrote:
| P.S. If it makes you feel any better, the whole "the University" thing
| really irks me. Not because it's a terribly clever come back to the
| "t.u." business, but just because it's a bit arrogant.
Oh, and saying things like `We weren't beaten, we were only outscored'
isn't being a wee bit arrogant?
I know lots of Aggies, and I know lots of Longhorns, and I'd have to
say that there's a lot more arrogance (in regards to their school) in
College Station than in Austin ...
Most UT students don't think of U.T. as `The University', but instead
`The University of Texas at Austin', or `UT' for short. If the aggies
would just call it by it's given name, we'd all probably get along a
whole lot better. If you walked around calling black people
`niggers', or orientals `gooks' or `chinks', or hispanics `wetbacks',
they'd probably get annoyed with you too. And yes, as much as the
aggies may try to justify the name `t.u.', it's just a derogatory term
that they've been brainwashed into using.
But, all in all, a well thought out article, Joe. Better than most of
the reconstituted aggie propaganda we get here.
Bradley Dale Glover
>I know lots of Aggies, and I know lots of Longhorns, and I'd have to
>say that there's a lot more arrogance (in regards to their school) in
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>College Station than in Austin ...
You misspelled "insecurity (in regards to themselves)".
>Most UT students don't think of U.T. as `The University', but instead
>`The University of Texas at Austin', or `UT' for short.
I think of UT as The University.
>If the aggies
>would just call it by it's given name, we'd all probably get along a
>whole lot better.
If The University was something other than the flagship institution of
the great State of Texas, then we'd all probably get along a whole lot
better. But it's not...it's The University. A University with a lot
of colleges, one of those which used to be an Agricultural and Mechanical
College that we operated in College Station. Our reign over this college
has ceased to exist, but the insecurity of its students lives on.
>And yes, as much as the
>aggies may try to justify the name `t.u.', it's just a derogatory term
>that they've been brainwashed into using.
That's just the tip of the iceberg. Have you heard their school songs?
Talk about a fixation......
>But, all in all, a well thought out article, Joe. Better than most of
>the reconstituted aggie propaganda we get here.
But aggie propaganda nonetheless...
-bdg-
David Boucher
jbe...@mail.utexas.edu (Joe Bezdek) writes:
> I don't dispute U.T.'s many virtues, but I can say unequivocally that A&M
> is a much better place to attend school. This holds especially true for
> undergraduates. How do I know? Because I know this: if somehow I had
> taken another road and attended U.T. instead of A&M for undergrad, I would
> be a lot like you -- I'd complain about the parking, curse the screwy
> registration system, bemoan the long lines to validate I.D.s, and I'd
> probably even have learned the "TEXAS FIGHT!" yell by the time I
> graduated; however, if our positions were reversed, and you'd attended A&M
> instead of U.T., we'd also have a lot in common: we'd talk about how
> there's nothing to do on the weekends in College Station (yes, we admit
> this amongst ourselves...), we'd shake our heads at some of the
> overzealous right-wingers on campus (not all of whom are in the Corps),
> and we'd gasp about the stifling humidity. But on top of that, we'd share
> something else: we'd both be Aggies. If you'd come to A&M, you'd be an
> Aggie. If I'd come to U.T., I'd be a U.T. student.
Anyone want to continue to question why I am screaming for a UT
101?!?!?!?!?!?
I am one of those people that are still trying to figure out what are
traditions are, besides the ones that Berdahl cancels in the name of
political correctness.
david
David Boucher
Department of Petroleum & Geosystems Engineering
University of Texas at Austin
Austin, Texas 78712
Craig K. Gowens
>jbe...@mail.utexas.edu (Joe Bezdek) writes:
>Anyone want to continue to question why I am screaming for a UT
>101?!?!?!?!?!?
They did that once. It was a pass/fail class on UT traditions, etc for
freshmen. The only problem is freshmen weren't allowed to take pass/fail
classes. Hmmmm, somebody didn't do their homework.
>I am one of those people that are still trying to figure out what are
>traditions are, besides the ones that Berdahl cancels in the name of
>political correctness.
If he cuts off funding for the March 2nd celebration again next year,
he should make sure that all funding for the Cinco de Mayo celebrations
is cut off, because if the Texas revoultion represents oppression of
Hispanics, then Cinco de Mayo represents oppression of the French, and
we most certainly cannot be oppressive to any one culture.
David Boucher
"Craig K. Gowens" <ckgo...@mail.utexas.edu> writes:
> They did that once. It was a pass/fail class on UT traditions, etc for
> freshmen. The only problem is freshmen weren't allowed to take pass/fail
> classes. Hmmmm, somebody didn't do their homework.
When was this??
> If he cuts off funding for the March 2nd celebration again next year,
> he should make sure that all funding for the Cinco de Mayo celebrations
> is cut off, because if the Texas revoultion represents oppression of
> Hispanics, then Cinco de Mayo represents oppression of the French, and
> we most certainly cannot be oppressive to any one culture.
It seems like I made this same posting back in March....
Surprising the forces of Toni Luckett and company didn't
try to incinerate my dorm door this year. (Long story
but I made a un-PC comment when I was a freshman and my
dorm door got burned down by our local Toni Luckett
supporter in Jester).
Bradley Dale Glover
>Ps. Also, none of y'all tea-sips seem to want to respond about the poster's
> comment on how the tu fans "bailed" out in the 4th inning.
That really pisses y'all off doesn't it? You want to rub it in and act like
the classless aggies that you are but it screws it all up and spoils your
fun when Horns fans leave, doesn't it?
BTW, '93 Cotton Bowl...Aggies evacuated the place in the 3rd quarter.
and, '94 Cotton Bowl...Aggies couldn't even sell it out. The COTTON
BOWL, for pete's sake.
-bdg-
Jonathan Jones
-> Anyone want to continue to question why I am screaming for a UT
-> 101?!?!?!?!?!?
-> I am one of those people that are still trying to figure out what are
-> traditions are, besides the ones that Berdahl cancels in the name of
-> political correctness.
You mean you missed out on Camp Texas (t.u.'s answer to Fish Camp)?
Jon J.
A&M '97
Wade Eric Bynum
Bradley Dale Glover <brad...@cs.utexas.edu> wrote:
>
>If The University was something other than the flagship institution of
>the great State of Texas, then we'd all probably get along a whole lot
>better. But it's not...it's The University. A University with a lot
>of colleges, one of those which used to be an Agricultural and Mechanical
>College that we operated in College Station. Our reign over this college
>has ceased to exist, but the insecurity of its students lives on.
>
The flagship university? More tu propaganda. How do you know that in the
"real world" tu is more respected than A&M?
>
>That's just the tip of the iceberg. Have you heard their school songs?
>Talk about a fixation......
>
School songs'S? Please tell us which you refer to. A&M has one song of
this kind and so does tu. Think before you respond.
Ps. Also, none of y'all tea-sips seem to want to respond about the poster's
comment on how the tu fans "bailed" out in the 4th inning.
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Jonathan Jones
-> Oh, and saying things like `We weren't beaten, we were only outscored'
-> isn't being a wee bit arrogant?
Far from it.
Aggies who say "we weren't beaten" are obviously aware that the Aggies
lost the contest in question. It's a way of pledging to still support one's
team, even after a loss. It has nothing to with pretending we're better
than the winning team, even though we lost.
On the other hand, chanting "Poooor Aggies" is plain arrogant.
-> I know lots of Aggies, and I know lots of Longhorns, and I'd have to
-> say that there's a lot more arrogance (in regards to their school) in
-> College Station than in Austin ...
Well, all I can say about that is that my experience is the exact
opposite. I obviously can't (as you haven't) show any proof.
-> Most UT students don't think of U.T. as `The University', but instead
-> `The University of Texas at Austin', or `UT' for short.
If so, then the Daily Texan is hell-bent on changing that. They refer to
UT as "the University" (notice caps) in the most awkward contexts. For
example (and this isn't something that was literally in there, but it's
analagous) "Students from Texas A&M, Baylor, and the University attended
the conference." I've also seen "Firing Line" letter-writers employing
the same usage.
-> If the aggies would just call it by it's given name, we'd all probably
-> get along a whole lot better.
I don't think that has anything to do with Aggies and Longhorns getting
along, and I don't think you think that, either.
-> If you walked around calling black people
-> `niggers', or orientals `gooks' or `chinks', or hispanics `wetbacks',
-> they'd probably get annoyed with you too.
Not comparable. 'Nigger' etc. represents insult/contempt, whereas "t.u."
represents competitive ribbing.
-> And yes, as much as the
-> aggies may try to justify the name `t.u.', it's just a derogatory term
-> that they've been brainwashed into using.
Well, of course! 'Sips aren't actually BUYING that crap about t.u.'s name
change, are they? :)
-> But, all in all, a well thought out article, Joe. Better than most of
-> the reconstituted aggie propaganda we get here.
Jon J.
A&M '97