Air quality issues

[Andy Schoenberg]

Hello: 

I could not agree more with the Salt Lake Tribune's editorial quote from departed Molly Ivins about not digging deeper when your in the hole.  I believe that reduction in Industries' emissions (11%) is important.  However reducing the 57% of emissions from cars and trucks may be more important and may lead to significant improvement in our air quality.  That is why I was seriously disturbed by other news published in the Sunday edition:  1.  The article in the Utah section on the proposal by Rep. Dunnigan to increase the speed limits even in urban areas to 70 or 75 is unbelievable.  Particularly his statement that increased speed will not decrease gas mileage is either ignorant or an outright lie.  A brief Goggle search about speed vs. mpg clearly shows that above 55 mph there is a significant increase in mpg.  I have attached a summary of a few articles from the search "gas mileage vs. speed". I believe a 55 mph speed limit needs to be imposed on bad air days. 

2.  The 20 page insert of "Utah Rides.com" invites the consumer to the International Auto Show in Sandy.  If we can find our way there through the expected smog next weekend,  consumers will apparently not find any electric cars or hybrids that get better than 50 mpg.  Not even the Prius is advertised in those 20 pages.  Instead we are urged to buy our usual gas guzzling SUVs,  trucks an overpowered  luxury cars.  Are those nine handsome 2014 New Car Dealers of Utah Board not aware that their  advertising is digging the dirty air hole deeper? If they do not want to advertise the below listed electrics and hybrids that get up to 120 mpg, then I urge the SL Tribune to at least publish the information about these better choices and urge car buyers to consider them.  Let me know how you plan to inform us about getting us out of the dirty air hole.   Andy Schoenberg, Manager Sunzeecar LLC developer of Ecotrike (340 MPGe)

The table is copied from  www.fueleconomy.gov  of the US Department of Energy

2014 Most Fuel Efficient Cars (including electric vehicles)
EPA Class	Vehicle Description	Fuel Economy
		Combined
Two-Seaters	smart fortwo electric drive Convertible" A-1, 55kw DCPM, Electric Vehicle	107*
	smart fortwo electric drive coupe A-1, 55kw DCPM, Electric Vehicle	107*
Minicompacts	Fiat 500e A-1, 82 kW AC Induction, Electric Vehicle	116*
Subcompacts	Chevrolet Spark EV A-1, 104 kW ACPM, Electric Vehicle<	119*
Compacts	Ford Focus Electric Automatic (CVT), 107 kW AC Induction, Electric Vehicle	105*
Midsize	Ford Fusion Energi Plug-in Hybrid 4 cyl, 2.0 L, Automatic (CVT), 68 kW DCPM, PHEV	58*
	Toyota Prius Plug-in Hybrid 4 cyl, 1.8 L, Automatic (CVT), 18 kW DCPM, PHEV	58*
Large	Chevrolet Impala eAssist 4 cyl, 2.4 L, Automatic (S6), HEV, Regular	29
Small Station Wagons	Honda Fit EV A-1, 92 kW DCPM, Electric Vehicle	118*
Midsize Station Wagons	Toyota Prius v 4 cyl, 1.8 L, Automatic (CVT), HEV, Regular	42

[Ahrhee Van]

Hi Andy

 

You may remember what the causes and who was involved in California that fought the electric car and it's demise of the EV-1 from General Motors. Not sure if you saw the movie "Who Killed the Electric Car" but it pointed out to all who were against or didn't try to promote selling the EV-1 in particular. The California CARB changed its mind. Car manufacturers didn't want to be held to the 2 percent of the cars to be sold in California had to be Electric (Zero Emissions), Oil companies of course were totally against the Electric Car and others.

Then and now as well there is too much money to be made in the Oil Industry, literally trillions of dollars still to be made by them. Goverment doesn't really want to get involve and they get loads of cash from the Oil Industry. Just look at the CNA cars, they too have to fight to get stations built by Questar who seems to be lacking to do more than necessary. It's no wonder that a politician seems to be the "Expert" and all knowlegeable when it discusses speed limits that will, so called, reduce emissions by going Faster. I wonder who gave him all of those statistics?

On another note, a VW International car has a motor that will do more that 70MPG in Europe but the U.S. will not let them import them here, go figure. (just Google VW for facts).

 

Harry van Soolen

Past President Utah E.A.A.

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[David Dymaxion]

The worst speed for pollution is 0 mpg -- an idling gas car is making 100% pollution for no motion benefit. Gas cars actually get more efficient (more hp is produced per pound of fuel) as you load them more heavily. That is one reason the gas mileage doesn't drop much when you go faster. For example, drive your car hard and you might get 25% worse fuel economy. Drive your electric that hard and your range can be cut in half. That is also why smaller motors get better mpg, and why typically a gas car gets its best mileage in top gear. In contrast, to maximize range in an EV you spin the motor fast in the lowest gear. Your big polluters in cars are while warming up, and while accelerating. Many cars drop out of good emissions mode briefly to accelerate. So to minimize smog, you really want the cars moving steadily, in their top gear. Here is a link that discusses going too slow in an ICE actually increases pollution: http://www.environmentalleader.com/2012/01/05/how-traffic-jams-affect-air-quality/ . Also, going slower leads to more cars on the road which leads to more traffic jams -- traffic jams are worse for smog than driving steadily.

So here are my suggestions to improve smog:

    o  Have the train, natural gas, and electric buses be free on bad air days (I have read that diesel buses actually worsen air pollution unless fairly full of passengers on average).

    o  Put in smart lights that go green for you if you aren't speeding and it is clear -- we have the technology, it is crazy we aren't doing this. Every red light is a big pollution producer by forcing cars to re-accelerate. We can afford red light cameras but not to turn them green when a car approaches and there is no one else around?

    o  Synchronize lights so you can make them all (this also discourages speeding)

    o  Promote the sale of electric cars

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Sent: Monday, January 13, 2014 1:03 PM

Subject: [UtahEVinterest] Air quality issues

Hello: 

I could not agree more with the Salt Lake Tribune's editorial quote from departed Molly Ivins about not digging deeper when your in the hole.  I believe that reduction in Industries' emissions (11%) is important.  However reducing the 57% of emissions from cars and trucks may be more important and may lead to significant improvement in our air quality.  That is why I was seriously disturbed by other news published in the Sunday edition:  1.  The article in the Utah section on the proposal by Rep. Dunnigan to increase the speed limits even in urban areas to 70 or 75 is unbelievable.  Particularly hisximi statement that increased speed will not decrease gas mileage is either ignorant or an outright lie.  A brief Goggle search about speed vs. mpg clearly shows that above 55 mph there is a significant increase in mpg.  I have attached a summary of a few articles from the search "gas mileage vs. speed". I believe a 55 mph speed limit needs to be imposed on bad air days. 

[kyled...@comcast.net]

The first thing we should do is outlaw cars that idle. The new Ford F 150 does NOT idle and everyone else should do the same.

http://www.greencarcongress.com/2014/01/20140113-f150.html

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From: "David Dymaxion" <david_d...@yahoo.com>
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Sent: Tuesday, January 14, 2014 9:24:00 PM
Subject: Re: [UtahEVinterest] Air quality issues

[Andy Schoenberg]

Anything we can do to decrease pollution is good.   Has the EV interest group ever considered having a booth at the Auto Show? The goal would be to make the public aware that EVs could greatly reduce the pollution level and all of them hardly use energy when you release the throttle.  In fact many EVs will recapture some of the kinetic energy by dynamic braking.  I believe most of the public is not informed about the advantages of electric cars and would benefit from more information.     Andy

[SLPinfo.org]

Kyle,

More and more manufacturers are doing this:

http://www.edmunds.com/fuel-economy/engine-stop-start-systems-save-fuel-at-low-cost.html

their motivation seems to be meeting the new fuel efficiency standards which is fine by me.  Anything that reduces CO2 emissions is a good thing.

- Peter Flipsen Jr

Hillsboro, OR

[Kyle Dansie]

David,

    I think you need to take the Porsche to Pikes Peak next year. 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8K6oOVET6fQ&list=PLSSPBo7OVSZtJV0nQRrogEjhc0QmV1U0_&feature=c4-overview-vl

[David Dymaxion]

Oh great, now I'm too revved up to sleep!

Here is a more modest hill climb goal: To be the first to go skiing with an electric car.

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Sent: Wednesday, January 15, 2014 6:35 PM
Subject: [UtahEVinterest] pikes peak

David,

    I think you need to take the Porsche to Pikes Peak next year. 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8K6oOVET6fQ&list=PLSSPBo7OVSZtJV0nQRrogEjhc0QmV1U0_&feature=c4-overview-vl

[Charles Turner]

David and Group: My kelly controller smoked today. Anyone have any spare controllers or idea's? I have  144VDC PACK need at least a 600amp . 

regards,

Charles

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