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Not unless you are willing to spend some money. Check this link:
http://www.adobe.com/products/server/readerextensions/main.html

Doug Horn
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Question regarding the ability to fill out forms and save data.....

Can users who only have Reader complete Acrobat Forms and save the form with
data? Does it matter what version of Reader they have?

Thanks.

Lori Schulze
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I am the production Director for a 200 page bi-monthly business to business
magazine. Currently I take all of our files from advertisers and designers
and make them into PDF files for our printer. What I want to now is turn
those PDF files into an digital magazine with links from the table of
contents to articles and links from all web addresses to web pages, etc. I
know you can do this easily in acrobat, I am curious what tools there are
out there to help me, and how to make this easy and as automated as
possible.

As I see it I need to:
1. Combine all my individual pages into one file
2. Size the PDFs down to a manageable size for the web
3. Create all the links

If anyone has any ideas or suggestions I would greatly appreciate it.
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Production Director/Designer
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Leonard Rosenthol

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At 12:17 PM 9/29/2004, Kenton Smith wrote:
>I am the production Director for a 200 page bi-monthly business to business
>magazine. Currently I take all of our files from advertisers and designers
>and make them into PDF files for our printer. What I want to now is turn
>those PDF files into an digital magazine with links from the table of
>contents to articles and links from all web addresses to web pages, etc. I
>know you can do this easily in acrobat, I am curious what tools there are
>out there to help me, and how to make this easy and as automated as
>possible.

We have a number of customers of PDF Enhancer
(http://www.pdfenhancer.com) that use it for this purpose (preparation of
electronic publications). I think you'll find it suits your needs quite well.


Leonard

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Adam Parez

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Kenton,

I am unsure of any automated ways of doing this, other than the
inserting the pages manually and adding the links and such manually.
One thing you might want to consider is using bookmarks. In Acro 6, you
can just go to a page or place in the file, highlight the text, right
click and select "add bookmark". The text is automatically turned into
a bookmark, and a bookmark is added to the bookmark window.

As for sizing the PDF for the Web, the best thing to do is combine all
your files, and then go to Advanced --> PDF Optimizer and set up your
specifications for the web (downsizing images, etc.).

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I am the production Director for a 200 page bi-monthly business to


business
magazine. Currently I take all of our files from advertisers and
designers
and make them into PDF files for our printer. What I want to now is
turn
those PDF files into an digital magazine with links from the table of
contents to articles and links from all web addresses to web pages,
etc. I
know you can do this easily in acrobat, I am curious what tools there
are
out there to help me, and how to make this easy and as automated as
possible.

As I see it I need to:


1. Combine all my individual pages into one file
2. Size the PDFs down to a manageable size for the web
3. Create all the links

If anyone has any ideas or suggestions I would greatly appreciate it.
--
Kenton Smith
Production Director/Designer
Scrapbook Retailer Magazine
ken...@scrapbookretailermagazine.com

Matt Beals

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You could use an AppleScript to combine the PDFs into one, then use your
Pitstop Server to optimize the PDF for web use. You could also use Acrobat
to optimize. I think that PDF Enhancer would do both of these functions. But
since you have a Mac and Pitstop Server I'd go that route first. The links
and bookmarks might be a different story.

Depending on how your native files are, you may be able to setup bookmarks
and such in Quark or InDesign and export to PDF all at once using a book
function of some sort. I'm not sure how to do that in Quack or InDesign
though...


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Adam Parez

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Did you do a "save as"? Just saving any of your changes will increase
the file size. "Save as" reduces it. You must do "save as" and rename
the file to keep the file size down.

>>> ken...@scrapbookretailermagazine.com 9/29/2004 5:17:02 PM >>>

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I downloaded the demo of PDF enhancer. I like it a lot. I think I will
have
to get that for this project. I have question for you. Is it normal for
a
PDF to grow a lot from adding links to it? I added about 25 links and
the
file size jumped by 4 megs. Or did acrobat do something to the file
when
saving?


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Kenton Smith
Production Director/Designer
Scrapbook Retailer Magazine
ken...@scrapbookretailermagazine.com


On 9/29/04 12:43 PM, "Leonard Rosenthol" <leon...@pdfsages.com>
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> At 12:17 PM 9/29/2004, Kenton Smith wrote:

>> I am the production Director for a 200 page bi-monthly business to
business
>> magazine. Currently I take all of our files from advertisers and
designers
>> and make them into PDF files for our printer. What I want to now is
turn
>> those PDF files into an digital magazine with links from the table
of
>> contents to articles and links from all web addresses to web pages,
etc. I
>> know you can do this easily in acrobat, I am curious what tools
there are
>> out there to help me, and how to make this easy and as automated as
>> possible.
>

> We have a number of customers of PDF Enhancer
> (http://www.pdfenhancer.com) that use it for this purpose
(preparation of
> electronic publications). I think you'll find it suits your needs
quite
> well.
>
>
> Leonard
>
>
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>

Charles Malimban

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You can use MSWord then convert it to PDF using the PDF Convert icon in
Word. It preserves the bookmarks and links in the table of contents.

Regards,
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Leonard Rosenthol

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At 05:17 PM 9/29/2004, Kenton Smith wrote:
>I downloaded the demo of PDF enhancer. I like it a lot. I think I will have
>to get that for this project. I have question for you. Is it normal for a
>PDF to grow a lot from adding links to it? I added about 25 links and the
>file size jumped by 4 megs. Or did acrobat do something to the file when
>saving?

It can indeed grow, though 4Megs for 25 links is a lot. Are these
links inside the PDF, to web sites, what??


Leonard

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Sommers, Rob RBI-US RCD

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Do you have to rename the file? Couldn't you just replace the existing file?
That's what I used to do in the ol' PageMaker days. :-)

--Rob

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Did you do a "save as"? Just saving any of your changes will increase


the file size. "Save as" reduces it. You must do "save as" and rename
the file to keep the file size down.

>>> ken...@scrapbookretailermagazine.com 9/29/2004 5:17:02 PM >>>

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I downloaded the demo of PDF enhancer. I like it a lot. I think I will


have
to get that for this project. I have question for you. Is it normal for
a
PDF to grow a lot from adding links to it? I added about 25 links and
the
file size jumped by 4 megs. Or did acrobat do something to the file
when
saving?

--
Kenton Smith
Production Director/Designer
Scrapbook Retailer Magazine
ken...@scrapbookretailermagazine.com

On 9/29/04 12:43 PM, "Leonard Rosenthol" <leon...@pdfsages.com>
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> At 12:17 PM 9/29/2004, Kenton Smith wrote:
>> I am the production Director for a 200 page bi-monthly business to
business
>> magazine. Currently I take all of our files from advertisers and
designers
>> and make them into PDF files for our printer. What I want to now is
turn
>> those PDF files into an digital magazine with links from the table
of
>> contents to articles and links from all web addresses to web pages,
etc. I
>> know you can do this easily in acrobat, I am curious what tools
there are
>> out there to help me, and how to make this easy and as automated as
>> possible.
>

> We have a number of customers of PDF Enhancer
> (http://www.pdfenhancer.com) that use it for this purpose
(preparation of
> electronic publications). I think you'll find it suits your needs
quite
> well.
>
>

dsh...@mail.volusia.k12.fl.us

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It is not required to rename the file, but until you are 100% sure that the
changes you made are really what everyone else wants, it's always good to
have previous versions around in case you need to revert to an earlier
version.

Doug Horn


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On 30/09/2004, at 7:55 AM, Adam Parez wrote:

> You must do "save as" and rename
> the file to keep the file size down.


Yes Save as discards the redundant data and re-optimises the file for
byteserving, but I have never found it necessary to rename, just save
over top .... with a Shift+F5 to confirm ;-)

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OK, so I did a little test: When I did a save as and wrote over the file
in 5, the size went up. Doing a save as and renaming in 5 made it go
down. In 6, the file size went up when I did a save as... go figure.
The mysteries of Acrobat.

In the end, I just play it safe and save as and rename.

>>> rsom...@reedbusiness.com 9/30/2004 7:40:06 AM >>>

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Do you have to rename the file? Couldn't you just replace the existing


file?
That's what I used to do in the ol' PageMaker days. :-)

--Rob

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Did you do a "save as"? Just saving any of your changes will increase
the file size. "Save as" reduces it. You must do "save as" and


rename
the file to keep the file size down.

>>> ken...@scrapbookretailermagazine.com 9/29/2004 5:17:02 PM >>>

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I downloaded the demo of PDF enhancer. I like it a lot. I think I will


have
to get that for this project. I have question for you. Is it normal
for
a
PDF to grow a lot from adding links to it? I added about 25 links and
the
file size jumped by 4 megs. Or did acrobat do something to the file
when
saving?
--
Kenton Smith
Production Director/Designer
Scrapbook Retailer Magazine
ken...@scrapbookretailermagazine.com


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There's also PDF Optimizer under ADVANCED but someone else needs to explain
the difference between that and "save as" and "reduce file size"!

Doug Horn

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In 6, PDF Optimizer provides a variety of advanced controls for reducing
the file size (such as removing bookmarks or web links), as well as
making the file compatible with lower versions of Acrobat.

>>> dsh...@mail.volusia.k12.fl.us 9/30/2004 8:29:58 AM >>>

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At 08:29 AM 9/30/2004, dsh...@mail.volusia.k12.fl.us wrote:
>There's also PDF Optimizer under ADVANCED but someone else needs to explain
>the difference between that and "save as" and "reduce file size"!

Reduce File Size, which should (IMO) NEVER be used, is just PDF
Optimzer with a pre-defined (and unchangable) set of settings.

Adam Parez

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PDF Optimizer, in 6.0, allows you to choose the specifications of how
you want to save your file. You can set the image resolution, embed
fonts, or have bookmarks and links removed from the document. I
generally use it to save lo-res versions of documents for the web. For
example, a nice feature in Optimizer is that you can choose to have 300
dpi photos reduced to 150 dpi (instead of the typical 72), allowing for
a smaller file size while retaining some of the image quality.

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3 of the 25 were to web sites. The rest are to various places in the
magazine. This was a test to show others in the company how it could work.
They loved it, now the reality of producing it is setting in. The idea is to
use the table of contents to go to all the articles, the ad index to go to
all the ads and the ads to link to web sites. That would make a total of
about 110 links to web sites and 220 links to various places in the
magazine.


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Kenton- you need to "save as" not just "save".

Richard Holstein

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    I just did a test on Acrobat 6 pro. I opened a 160k PDF and did a save as
    and it stayed 160. I opened the original PDF again and did a save and it
    became 164. I opened the 164k PDF again, moved a letter one arrow click and
    the file grew to 544k. I opened it one more time and moved the letter back
    and it became 932k. That is really scary. In a big multi page PDF that would
    add up to a lot fast. Is there something that can be run to strip out
    whatever is building up when you save?

    >
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    > OK, so I did a little test: When I did a save as and wrote over the file
    > in 5, the size went up.  Doing a save as and renaming in 5 made it go
    > down.  In 6, the file size went up when I did a save as... go figure.
    > The mysteries of Acrobat.
    >
    > In the end, I just play it safe and save as and rename.
    >
    >>>> rsom...@reedbusiness.com 9/30/2004 7:40:06 AM >>>
    >

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    > Do you have to rename the file? Couldn't you just replace the existing
    > file?
    > That's what I used to do in the ol' PageMaker days. :-)
    >
    > --Rob
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    > Behalf Of Adam Parez
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    >
    >
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    > Did you do a "save as"?  Just saving any of your changes will increase
    > the file size.  "Save as" reduces it.  You must do "save as" and
    > rename
    > the file to keep the file size down.
    >
    >>>> ken...@scrapbookretailermagazine.com 9/29/2004 5:17:02 PM >>>
    >

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    > I downloaded the demo of PDF enhancer. I like it a lot. I think I will
    > have
    > to get that for this project. I have question for you. Is it normal
    > for
    > a
    > PDF to grow a lot from adding links to it? I added about 25 links and
    > the
    > file size jumped by 4 megs. Or did acrobat do something to the file
    > when
    > saving?

Kenton Smith

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I got the save as thing. But what about PDF that I didn’t make that people have saved. What is it in the PDF that is making it grow? Is it saving some sort of Meta Data to undo the change or something? I ran PitStops default optimize for web and it took it right back to its original size. I just have to play with the settings a bit to get it to do what I want.
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Kenton Smith wrote:
> I got the save as thing. But what about PDF that I didn’t make that
> people have saved. What is it in the PDF that is making it grow? Is it
> saving some sort of Meta Data to undo the change or something? I ran
> PitStops default optimize for web and it took it right back to its
> original size. I just have to play with the settings a bit to get it to
> do what I want.

When you do a 'save' the changes are appended to the end of the
document. When one does a 'save as' it doesn't keep a history of changes.

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