2017 Format

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Jan Martel

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Jun 3, 2015, 2:36:46 PM6/3/15
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We’ve discussed the possible formats for the year in which we pick two teams already. Although some people came up with some “out of the box” suggestions, I think that at least for 2017, we will be holding one USBC to pick both teams. There are two possible formats for the event. This is a request for you to vote on which format you prefer. The Technical Committee has discussed and voted on this and very strongly recommends Format 2.

Format 1 is the one we used in 2013, Format 2 is the one that is being used in the Senior USBC.

In Format 1, the losing USA1 finalist drops into the USA2 final. In order to achieve that result, it is necessary to have two USA2 matches opposite both of the USA1 semifinal and final. 

In Format 2, the losing USA1 finalist drops into the USA2 semifinal. That allows each USA2 match to be run in parallel with a USA1 match, but means that we must hold two USA2 stages after the end of USA1.

For those of you who prefer pictures, Format 1 looks like this:
2017 Format 1 picture (small).pdf
2017 FORMAT 2 PICTURE.pdf

Bruce Rogoff

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Jun 4, 2015, 1:56:53 AM6/4/15
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IMO Format 2 has two major strikes against it:  (1)  14 straight days of 60 boards is just too much.  I believe the bridge will suffer in the late stages, and the USA2 result will be somewhat randomized as a result.  (2)  A potentially 15-day trip is a lot to ask for non-professionals, which could keep some quality players on the sidelines.

So, put me down for Format 1.  However, if the matches were changed to 96 boards (3 sets of 16 per day...same as BB), you could persuade me to go with Format 2.

Bruce


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Format 2 looks like this:

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Peter Boyd

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Jun 4, 2015, 9:29:20 AM6/4/15
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Bruce,
 
Note, that choosing Format 2 (as recommended by the Technical Committee) does not commit us to a 14-day event.  If we set the match lengths to be 90 boards (1.5 days) each throughout, the event would last 11 days (assuming a 2.0 day RR to start.)  Only if we opt for 2.0 day matches throughout would the event last 14 days.
 
One positive feature of Format 2 (versus Format 1) is that the USA2 matches are the same length as the simultaneous USA1 matches.  In Format 1, they are by necessity sometimes only half the length.
 
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Bruce Rogoff

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Jun 4, 2015, 10:56:55 AM6/4/15
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Peter,

 

That’s a good point, which would suggest that the two issues (format and match length) should be voted on simultaneously (collectively?).  I would view Format 2 more favorably with 90 or 96-board matches.

 

Another issue that just occurred to me…it seems that the losing USA1 finalist is at a slight disadvantage, as they are immediately entering USA2 having just played a theoretically tougher match.  Perhaps they can pick their USA2 semifinal opponent (assuming Format 2 wins the day) as compensation?

 

Bruce

Marty Fleisher

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Jun 4, 2015, 11:05:41 AM6/4/15
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i'm coming around to Format 2, but it does seem that the USA-1 finalist is at a disadvantage. Per Bruce's idea, seems like the very least they should be able to do is pick their opponent. They could also have a match off while off while the other 3 teams play off in a 3-way, but i assume that has been rejected for many reasons.
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Peter Boyd

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Jun 4, 2015, 11:10:31 AM6/4/15
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Yes, Format 2 envisions USA1 finalist loser picking its USA2 SF opponent from the three USA2 survivors. Our Senior Trials (which uses a Format 2 type structure) will be doing it that way, too. 

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Jun 5, 2015, 9:35:22 AM6/5/15
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That all sounds fine to me:  11 days, 90 board matches, Format 2 with the losing USA1 finalist choosing their USA2 semi opponent.
 
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Frank Nickell

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Jun 5, 2015, 10:16:34 AM6/5/15
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I agree.

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