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RE: =Jimas scholer's golden letter
Tuesday, 20 January, 2009 8:03 PM
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His father suhaib hasan has not said anything because he is misguided
himself. He is from those mute shayateen who do not command good and
forbid the evil of society. The messenger of allah (saw) said the one
who does not speak the truth is a mute shaytan.
I hope people see that those who do not reject the taghuti kufr
system, but instead they uphold it by calling muslims to become
judges,mp's,policemen to vote for kufr parties to legislate kufr laws
etc cannot be trusted or followed. Ie. the talafi ikhwani's suhaib
hasan,yasir qadhi,salman, safar and their ilk.
Allahu mustaan
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Date: Tue, 20 Jan 2009 16:53:37 +0000
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Subject: RE: =Jimas scholer's golden letter
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His Father should clearly stop this individual Usama Hassan, he has
driven people away from Islam instead of calling them to it! He
himself is a self-promoting photo opportunist who needs to step down
as Imam; there are people who no longer wish to listen to his Khutbahs
and refuse to pray behind him. Please see also
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--- On Wed, 14/1/09, Mohammed Shamsuddin
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Date: Wednesday, 14 January, 2009, 2:10 PM
He who believes and acts upon that which is cited below..is one of
two, 1. Has NO Imaan to begin with or 2. Imaan has left him, i.e. is
an apostate!!!!
The following email was sent by Usama Hasan to a Salafi list composed
of prominent Salafi duat and superstar, self-styled-mashaykh. Not a
single Talafi wrote back in criticism - AS USUAL.
From: Usama Hasan
Date: 2009/1/11
Subject: [al-Abjadiyyah] Should the Muslim world recognise Israel?
To: Hasans List , Ahmads List , CC Projects , GCRG Group , Abjad
Hawwaz
Cc: Usama Hasan
Dear all,
as-salamu 'alaykum.
Some thoughts - please provide feedback.
I didn't know anything about the Saudi peace plan of 2002 until this
morning, but am pleasantly surprised by the details here:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Saudi_peace_plan
This seems to me to be a fantastic proposal to solve the problem, but
hasn't had the publicity. Perhaps we can become ambassadors for a
peace plan/process along these lines, drumming up support for it at
grassroots level? Eventually, the powers that be will have to listen,
insha'Allah. Note the comments from Brown, Miliband and Friedman in
the above article, I think they're particularly pertinent.
Further promising developments, apologies if you've seen these
already:
78 prominent British Jews call for sanctions against Israel:
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2009...etters-gaza-uk
Brian Klug - Not in My Name (note that he uses the phrase, "[Israeli]
state terror")
http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisf...palestine-gaza
Naomi Klein: Enough. It's time for a Boycott.
http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisf...boycott-israel
Now some of my thoughts (feedback, please):
1. We need to unequivocally condemn both suicide bombings or rocket
attacks against civilians (vigilante terrorism of Al-Qaeda, Hamas,
Hezbollah, Tamil Tigers, etc.) as well as all the state-terrorism
against civilian populations unfortunately perpetrated and supported
by the governments and militaries of many countries around the world
over the last century and more, including Muslim ones (the US, UK,
Israel, Egypt, Pakistan, India, Australia, South Africa, Algeria,
Indonesia, Iran, Iraq, Turkey, France, Syria, Sri Lanka, Russia, Sudan
and other states spring to mind, inc. in Africa and Central & South
America. The list is very long!)
2. No ifs, no buts - the fatwas legitimising vigilante suicidal
terrorism and/or state terrorism are juristically and theologically
flawed and immoral. The jurists and pseudo-jurists who issued them
must recant.
3. The Muslim world has to recognise Israel, as in the Saudi peace
plan, 1967 borders, roughly. It is a bitter pill to swallow for many
Palestinians and Muslims, but bitter pills often cure us, and there is
no use crying over spilt milk after 40 and 60 years. Jerusalem should
be a city of peace for all three Abrahamic faiths to worship at their
respective sites. There is plenty of precedence for this:
a- During the Crusades, the Muslims often made peace with Christians
on inferior terms when the latter were stronger. Saladin-liberated
Jerusalem was even handed back to the Crusaders after negotiation for
a while a few decades after the famous liberation of 1187, a little-
known irony of history. Pragmatic politics: no Messianic-Armageddon
false hopes or self-fulfilling prophecies of mutual destruction.
b- In response to the anticipated defiance of "we can't give up an
inch of Muslim land," that would mean that we start talking about
Occupied Spain & Portugal, Occupied Greece & Eastern Europe, Occupied
India etc. and cling to the false dream of "liberating" all such
lands. Clearly, such madness is untenable.
4. The fundamentalists and extremists who oppose 1-3 must be
marginalised and defeated or won over, rather than be allowed to pose
as the mainstream. Hardline attitudes across the Muslim world on 1-3
have been partly responsible for the recurring catastrophes, of which
the Gaza massacre is only the latest.
5. Anti-semitic rhetoric and violence must end now. Anti-Israeli
rhetoric must end once peace is achieved. We must honour our
neighbours, once all sides cease being neighbours from hell.
6. Muslims must support the Movement for the Abolition of War (http://
www.abolishwar..
org.uk/). Perhaps the one of the greatest Jihads of
our times is to campaign for the end of war and military jihad, since
the nature of modern warfare makes it nigh-impossible to observe the
exalted ethics of the latter.
Any thoughts?
was-salam,
Usama