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Ikhide:
For me, if there is logic and an ingenious device in sending Nuhu Ribadu to Kuru despite his legally-protected four-year tenure as EFCC Director, then the same logic should be used to send Maurice Iwu of INEC to Kuru and save us from his impunity at election-management.
Yes, Nuhu has a mixed record, but Iwu has a thoroughly un-mixed disastrous record from the April 2007 elections. Yes, they are individuals each of who head certain institutions, but their records show that while a particular institution (EFCC) can still be looked at with some small level of respect even by its detractors, the other (INEC) is spat on with ridicule even by its friends and beneficiaries - the prime one of who is Yar'Adua himself who declared the elections - ostensibly including his own, to the chagrin of his own defense lawyers - "flawed."
There I stand.
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----- Original Message -----From: Moses Ebe OchonuSent: Sunday, December 30, 2007 2:58 PMSubject: USA Africa Dialogue Series - Re: Exit Ribadu ? A Commentary by WOLE SOYINKA
“ I pray that all of those who have helped shape Nigeria today get theirs in the long run. Every one of them. We should probably start a list. So our children may not forget those that hurt them so.
- Ikhide”
And for whom are you speaking then, when you invoke “We should probably start a list…?” Whose “”children?
Moses Ochonu in his presentation would appear to hold views diametrically opposed to yours for example – and he is definitely not an isolated [position.
Therefore, who is “We” – if I may ask?
And my second question:
Could you please name one or two people who have ruled in Nigeria - military or civil - that you would consider being close to your idea/ideal of “model leadership”?
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Moses,
I had waited for Ayo’s response to yours.
She did good, but I’d like to add some comments to the following query paragraph from yours.
Your allegations against Buhari-Idiagbon's war against corruption are very serious. This is the first
time I have heard them. Do you have any proof that Buhari was an NPN supporter? I'd appreciate it
if you would provide such evidence. How exactly was Buhari's war against corruption selective
along a North/South contour? I ask this because politicians from all sections of the country were
sent to jail and subjected to the military tribunal justice of the regime (Rimi, Kangiwa, Akinloye, Okilo, Nwobodo, Mbakwe, Aku, and others). Please provide proof of your weighty allegations or
I'd simply regard them as your own jaundiced anti-Buhari-Idiagbon bias, which is not an indictment against you since most Nigerian intellectuals harbor that same bias.
Ayo was right in her original assertion regarding the North-South sentiments that the Buhari-Idiagbon provoked during their own fire-and-brimstone era in office.
It is true that they clamped politicians from across the country in jail in their quick-fix program for the country.
However, many senior politicians from the North were not arrested at all let alone detained and of those detained, many were released months earlier than those from the South who spent eternity in prisons.
I don’t remember specific names anymore, but for example, I think Shagari was merely held under house arrest in his Sokoto residence while Ekueme was held in a gaol somewhere in the Middle Belt where he spent several months before release.
Many million Nigerians actually liked the “no-nonsense” attitudes that characterized the Buhari-Idiagbon regime.
Indeed, many more wanted all those good-for-nothing profligate NPN money bags thrown in the Niger River, as opposed to merely being detained, for their crimes against the Nigerian state.
However, the shoddy way in which the Buhari-Idiagbon handled the Northern politicians betrayed Buhari’s innate sentimentality to the North.
To make matters worse, Tunde Idiagbon claimed Fulani extraction from Ilorin in those days.
That their “commission of inquiry” declared Shagari innocent of all the election rigging, economic bankruptcy fallen standard of education in the country during the NPN republic, was the first straw that broke the last camel’s back with the people on Buhari-Idiagbon.
This issue mainly contributed to their falling out of favor with the public (at least the South) very fast.
So nobody shed tears for the duo when odious Babangida came shooting his way into his evil regime.
I believe, this period in time is still dogging Buhari in the South till today over his repeated interests to rule the country.
If you need more specific names and details, check the newspapers of the time plus including some books that were written on their regime.
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Moses…Moses…
Your language was unfriendly and downright rude.
But it is a new year, so I won’t do a like-for-like that would have robed you in colorful prose, more pungent than yours.
Besides, one of my new year resolutions is to be less reactionary to visceral rejoinders.
No, your debate with Ayo did not leave me behind.
My comments were merely add-on to her thoughts.
Which claims Ayo was able to or not support has nothing to do with which claims I can support.
Do you understand that?
Regardless of your acerbic sophistries, one social reality of the Buhari-Idiagbon era was that the duo provoked
a North-South sentiment in the country during their era and by the time they left.
It was the hard reality of the time….I wish I could help you out in some way over this, but I couldn’t.
This claim of mine has since been corroborated by another forumite….Okwy Okeke has reminded us of the issue of Igbo-free SMC composition under Buhari-Idiagbon.…health condition of Owelle, etc.
Made me wonder where you were at the time and didn’t know all this.
I didn’t say that NO Northern politicians were detained, my text read “many senior politicians from the North were not arrested…………….and of those detained, many were released months earlier than those from the South who spent eternity in prisons.”
You probably read me in a hurry and didn’t see that.
In yours below, you tossed out 4 names (Rimi, Lar, Nadama and Uba) but in your rage still failed to
prove my statement above wrong, especially in comparing the length of time in jail of those from the North with those from the South.
I gave you examples of Shagari and Ekwueme and now I am remembering more names like Jakande, Onabanjo .…… and maybe even Akinloye, Akinjide….but without necessarily their being in the UPN.
Dikko was even outside the country at the time, so no one really knew what would have been his fate in the long run beyond the initial excitement of his being crated in, if they had succeeded.
Your analysis on Shagari’s situation is a good fodder for polemics.
It is true, many people agreed that Shagari was more guilty of incompetence than corruption.
But do you think that in itself absolves him of culpability over the kind of government he presided over?
Do you remember the twelve two third red herring in favor of Shagari back in 1979?
With all the 4-year national waste, 1983 election riggings and the follow-up strife/deaths, etc, are you making the case with your pontifications that Nigerians have forgiven him in the court of public opinion?
What looked like Shagari commanding “respect’ in the country was less his “incorruption” as you have boasted, but more due to the manner of dignity with which he has conducted himself out of office.
Shagari rarely made public pronouncements since he left office more than 24 years ago.
For your information, the sad auto accident that took 2-3 of his children in a single day sometimes in the 80s got him a lot of sympathy and understanding from many a hard heart among Nigerians.
If my commentary sounded simplistic, what would you say yours made of you, naïve?
Your analysis of Buhari’s acceptability problems in the Southwest and seeming minor issue of Tunde Idiagbon’s Fulani retorts betrayed your king size ignorance in Southwest politics.
With all your arrogant language, I don’t believe you fully comprehended that the North-South political sentiment reached an anti-climax during the Buhari-Idiagbon regime.
It was Babangida who came to diffuse it with his “equal opportunity buy-out” personal style of governance until he out-dribbled himself and fell down on June 12th.
Then, Abacha came along and jacked the dichotomy back-up.
Then Abdulsalam/Babangida diffused it once again with the Obasanjo shenanigan arrangement to the
chagrin of the Southwest.
My brother, don’t quit your day-job to go work as a publicist or campaign manager for Buhari anytime soon.
Ironically, I am actually in favor of your writings more than you realize.
My last commentary to yours was in fact more of a simple addendum than a challenge to you.
So relax…cut out the fretting.
It is quite okay to disagree here and there with each others’ opinions.
Just tone it down, ok?
You know how challenging new year resolutions can be…especially when you’re still on Day 1!
Happy New Year to you and yours.
Qansy Salako
The Atta of Agbali,
Thank you, my brother, for supplying more names, facts and figures to Moses Ochonu on this thread.
Glad someone in the house has a better archive than mine.
Yours below just unhinged the dam on my memories of the era.
I was a Lecturer 2/Lecturer 1 in Unilag in those Buhari-Idiagbon days and was quite aware and involved in the goings-on.
You’re so correct, the Dikko crate saga was more a vendetta thing with Buhari-Idiagbon than a fight for national sanity on behalf of Nigerians.
We probably would never know which actions of the duo were truly on behalf of the people.
A number of issues are a source of frustration for me with Moses.
Moses is a good analyst. Reminds me of when I had time and used to write up to 4 opinion articles a week on the Naijanet discussion group of old, specifically between 1994 and 1998. One of the lessons I learned in those days was that no matter how solid ones’ views are, no view can be all encompassing when it comes to discussing the impact of governments on peoples. Sometimes, we brandish our classroom theories too tight as tools for viewing social events on the streets. But what moves government and citizen activities are peoples’ outlooks which are often mundane compared to convoluted strings of academic jingoism.
These mundane outlooks are in fact the kind you hear in the barber shops, hairdresser salons, army officers’ mess, etc.
This is why it is unfortunate that Moses appears to dock his views rather irrevocably.
Imagine his effrontery in challenging people to produce evidence of some aspects of his subject that he was
not aware of.
And when the evidence is produced, he became enraged.
Reminds me of Obasanjo who challenged Nigerians to produce proof that Babangida was corrupt.
In a heartbeat, Nigerians submitted tomes of affidavits revealing bank account numbers, contract numbers, names, dates and addresses of deals against his beloved financier.
Obasanjo became enraged and cowardly just redirected that “anybody who had problems with Babangida” to go sort it out with IBB. Well, who wan die? No one wanted rather receive a letter from Babangida.
So the so-called national drive against corruption just died a natural death, until resurrected in the form of EFCC, etc.
Moses has a right to keep his focus on the war against indiscipline (WAI) of Buhari-Idiagbon.
Everyone loved WAI, just as we all loved the mystics of Murtala, imagining that he could show up in our local post-office or our mechanic yard anytime.
But WAI alone did not make Buhari-Idiagbon’s regime.
That’s all we are saying, and Moses should have the courage to accept that.
Take for example the Murtala issue that he, Moses, was grappling with in parallel on another thread.
Only God knew how many Biafra wars we fought on Naijanet in those days!
Almost always it was between SE and SW, the few Northern netters among us would just simply clench
their chin and watch us each time the Ore battlefield became lit up.
I am sure folks are still shooting canon fires and dropping bombs on the issue till today on Naijanet.
In one of such battles (probably 1995 or so), I was like Ochonu shooting bazookas along with others in defense of Murtala’s heroic leadership and nationalism.
Then this issue of Murtala’s Biafra war crimes came up and people were very passionate about it.
Initially, I was holding the position that war is fought to be won not lost, but soon I realized that I had to accommodate people’s passion on this aspect of Murtala’s life in my views on him.
So I wrote that he was a good post-war leader for Nigeria and that if he was forgiven of his war crimes by his Creator, there was nothing anyone could do about it.
But if he was not forgiven, then he would surely have to answer for them before his Lord.
I still remember how that simple acknowledgement calmed some frayed nerves from the other side of the debate.
That was some 12 years ago.
You can imagine how well I understand Moses’ sentiments on the two generals.
Happy New Year, Atta.
Would have called you, but my telephone bill was high last month!
Smiles.
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This angry tirade is baffling, but at least you
focused on issues. You accuse me of digressing, but
you loaded your response with so many tangential
matters that it is hard to know what to respond to
without derailing the discussion. I'll make a few
remarks.
Your point about Murtala's alleged corruption (his
acquisition of houses he returned) BEFORE he came to
power is taken. But it does NOT invalidate my
contention that there is no evidence in the public
domain that he enriched himself as head of state. That
assertion has yet to be disputed. Please dispute it if
you have the facts to do so.
The 53 suitcases belonged to the Emir of Gwandu, not
to Buhari. Their entry, we now know, was facilitated
by, of all people, Atiku, following the intervention
of Major Jokolo, Buhari's ADC. Is that evidence that
Buhari was corrupt as head of state?
On 2.8 billion naira, it is interesting that you're
seeking to bring Buhari's name into it when all public
naratives and reportage of the scandal, including
published accounts, mention two people: OBJ and Shehu
Yar'Adua. In any case, what did Buhari do with the
loot since he is practically a pauper today? Unlike
Buhari, Shehu Yar'Adua and OBJ retired into a life of
opulence and multi-million naira investments. Being
chairman of NNPC during the scandal does not mean that
he benefitted from the loot or facilitated it, if
indeed 2.8 happened. Even Buhari's most uncharitable
critics do not reach so far as to link him with 2.8.
And, believe me, it would have been very good fodder
for his detractors and would be in the public domain
if there was any shred of evidence linking him to it.
The rest of your post raise many tangential issues
that do not really invite a response that enhances
this discussion.
For the record, I have NOT defended, rationalized, or
belittled Murtala's war crimes. All I ask is: why
single him out, and why let other criminals off the
hook?
I don't know what I wrote to launch you into this
bizarre, hateful tirade quoted below, but since you
mentioned the Makurdi massacres, and since we're now
taking stock of suffering and atrocities of the civil
war, could you please explain to me how the Biafran
airforce straffing of Benue (and now Kogi) towns and
villages along the Nigeria-Biafra border (Agila,
Orokam, Otukpa, etc) and around the Igala/Nsukka
corridor, which killed thousands of defenseless
Nigerian civilians and made many refugees in Otukpo,
Makurdi and other "safe" cities, is any less a war
crime than the massacres at Makurdi?
As you do so, let me warn you that I have participated
in debates on the civil war and they are never pretty.
I have a very strong sympathy for Biafran suffering
during the war (a fact that I strongly impressed on an
undergraduate, whose thesis on the subject i recently
supervised), but sometimes that requires me to suspend
moral judgment on Biafran atrocities in the areas I
mentioned and in the botched attempt to invade Lagos.
That's because my intellectual and academic
socialization leads me to believe that the violence
and crimes of an underdog are sometimes justified and
do not rank on the same scale of atrocities as those
of the dominant party to a conflict.
"You talk about "resentment of these men" and I ask
you which men, was Mohammed any more guilty than
your kith and kin at Makurdi that stopped every
train that was freighting an already dispossessed,
brutalized and sometimes dead people back to their
ancestral home for the final solution, or should I
assume your omission of that fact as "mere an
oversight?" Has any Benue man or woman made any
statement about the complicity of that population in
the massacre of Igbos and other
Easterners/Southerners that were headed home through
their neck of the wood? A massacre made the more
gruesome because it ran for several months, with
more people killed in that tract of land than any
single city in the country. Don't talk about what
you don't know before you are reminded of your
father's debt my people say, so once again, let's
focus on the subject - Mohammed."
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Although Professor Okeke's intervention has spurred my response, a lot
of what I have to say is directed to Buhari's critics generally than
to him in particular. This is because his critics are
seemingly--inexplicable to me--so many, and a lot of the criticism
seem to lack rigor. Buhari's critics often strain to convince
themselves that nothing good could emanate from him. One example of
this is the tendency of some to speak of the "Buhari regime" when
referencing the arbitrary detentions and draconian laws of his regime
while they speak of the "Buhari-Idiagbon regime" to refer to the
anti-corruption fight and the War Again Indiscipline (WAI) of the same
regime.
Buhari was of course the principal, but if he is to be held
responsible for his regime's arbitrariness, he should also be given
credit for whatever that regime tried to do well, again, because he
was the principal. We can either call that junta the "Buhari regime"
or the "Buhari-Idiagbo regime" and be consistent with whichever term
we chose and not to switch from one to the other that better serves
the purpose of denying or condemning Buhari.
To address some of the issues raised by Professor Okeke: Appointing
your lawyer attorney general is not in itself a corruptive act and
does not necessary suggest a disposition for corruption. If Professor
Okeke knows more than meets the eye, I beg him to please share.
The 2.8b naira that ostensibly vanished from NNPC's coffers when
Buhari was the chairman of that corporation is just another example of
the tendency unfairly to characterize Buhari. Nigerians seem to forget
that, mandated by the Senate, the Shagari administration in 1980
appointed a judicial commission of inquiry to probe Nigeria's crude
oil sales and all contracts between January 1, 1976, and December 31,
1979.
My understanding is that the tribunal, chaired by Justice Ayo Irikefe,
found the allegation to be phoney. Contrary to the rumor that gave
rise to the tribunal, no such money was found to have ever been
withdrawn from NNPC's then sole foreign account at Midland Bank,
London. Nobody came forward with evidence to substantiate the rumor
either. I understand that the Punch, which had originally published
the "scoop," actually published a retraction and an apology.
I witnessed an interesting media controversy in Nigeria sometime in
1995-96 when I was on extended visit in Nigeria. Buhari thought it
necessary to address a newspaper report about a brand new Peugeot 505
(I believe it was) found in his garage, which detractors held as
evidence of his purported corruptive indulgence at the Petroleum Trust
Fund that he then chaired. He explained that the car was a gift from
the Abacha, who gave the same model to every past head of state.
Buhari stressed that he had asked nobody for any car.
I derived a number of ethnographic lessons from that episode. Which
other past Nigerian leader would bother to address an allegation
involving an ordinary 505? I would imagine that an "ordinary 505"
would have been completely anonymous in the fleet of cars of any other
past leader--apart from perhaps Gowon--which was why nobody seemed to
notice the ones apparently delivered to Obasanjo, Gowon, and Shagari.
I should perhaps close by declaring that I have never met Muhammadu
Buhari; nor have I even been in contact with him in any way
whatsoever, but I believe that a country like ours that is so mired in
corruption, indiscipline, rabid greed, and debauchery should
acknowledge the few, like Buhari, who have made notable efforts to
rise above the mess. It could be a good way of encouraging people.
G. Ugo Nwokeji
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> wrote:
> Dear Ebe Achonu,
>
> Murtala Mohammed was a criminal, no ifs, no buts,
> and no caveats, period!
>
> The malicious mass slaughter Murtala started in
> 1966 remains an orgy in progress as his modern day
> inheritors re-enact same tragedy in our national
> lives under different guises in fulfillment of
> Trevor-Roper's prophetic words (see Hitler War
> Directives) that tardy imitator will imitate
> nihilists in mockery of their demise .
>
> Murtala should actually be singled out as the
> first
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Brothers Tony & Okwy:
Indeed it’s time to quit the debate with Moses.
The discussion has lost its color and purpose.
Issues have become recklessly tangled and Igbo, Yoruba, Tiv and Igala babies have become mixed up in the labor ward.
Moses has become refractory and impervious in sincerity over the course of this debate.
I salute you Tony for taking the troubles – you did the research required, you quoted from old newspapers and books including their titles and authors (just as I’ve recommended) - but all we have is extemporaneous rationalization after rationalization.
Yoruba: a ki tori awijare kito o gbe lenu (one doesn’t because of the need for vindication talk until one runs out of saliva).
It’s been fun.
We won’t tire of shining light on dark corridors around here.
Till another time, soldiers of truth.
Citizen Moses Ochonu:
You can handle your views.
But you can’t handle the truth.
You have not been honorable in the twin threads of debate that you started on Murtala and Buhari.
You thoroughly mishandled simple counter-facts that ought not have taken much away from your original intentions in your views on those 2 Nigerian generals.
The irony of Buhari’s unpopularity with Nigerians for another presidential service is lost on you completely, given all your laborious contentions in his defense.
Was it you who argued that peoples’ perception of a person is not more important than who s/he truly is?
You couldn’t be more wrong?
In Corporate America, you better pay attention to peoples’ perception of you otherwise you ain’t gonna get nowhere fast, if at all.
You didn’t need to keep issuing out several curious illogical contentions atop one another as responses.
Shagari was not corrupt, he just simply presided over outrageously corrupt government. NPN rigged
elections for Shagari, he had nothing to do with it, he just simply presented himself for the
swearing-in and took his mandate. Historians have found that right outcomes often result from wrong
conducts. So Shagari remains un-culpable, un-indictable and meritorious through it all, ehn? After all,
that was why Nigerians didn’t demonstrate when the nepotistic Buhari-Idiagbon duo found him innocent of running the country aground during his 4 years in office as president. What is the plight of the many citizens who died in election riots as a result of his so-called 1983 moon slide election victory (a la 2007 Kenya’s Kibaki)? So enduring good can come from bad, huh? A honest society can emanate from a dishonest people? Egalitarianism can be achieved from a society steeped in inequality and iniquity? Really, Moses Ochonu? All because you must “win” argument over two bloody army boys, who are dictators anyway? If this kind of thought makes sense to you, I don’t know what to tell you. Na una.
Your two supporters didn’t help your situation, either.
Take for example, one of them describing Buhari as “non-political?”
Somebody was a military dictator head of state of a country, then later campaigned as a civilian for the position of “President” in two democratic elections and is still being described as “non-political!”
What an inferior statement?
And then citizen Ugo Nwokeji using the story of a Peugeot 505 gift to Buhari to make a case for Buhari’s incorruptibility. He said since Buhari didn’t ask for the gift from anybody, he saw no big deal in Buhari holding a press conference to clear himself. So if Ugo was a local bank manager and he got home one December day and met a new car and a xmas goat in front of his house as gifts, he would chop these 2 gifts since he didn’t ask anyone to for them in the first place? Was it Ugo too who said there is no big deal in a president appointing his private lawyer to become the federal attorney general? What else do they call conflict of interest, people?
I tire for you people o.
Ochonu I don taya re
Nwokeji I don taya re
Me I taya for de thing den dey call…
Moses, the following are simple things you could have done in the course of this debate:
1. You could have just defined the views you have expressed on your two subjects as your own views, rather than stressing so hard to ram them down your readers’ skulls.
2. On the issues of war crimes against Murtala, you could have simply acknowledged it, then calmly restated that he really succeeded in becoming a national hero to millions of Nigerians by the time he died 6 years after the war. The issue of his being corrupt is even easier to handle because all you needed do is say that he redeemed himself and lived by example by giving all his riches away when he got to the number one leadership position. You probably didn’t know (or forgot about) this until Okwy told you. But by the time you did, it was too late. Your saying so just simply got lost in your hitherto inflexible attitude of hammering everything to a pulp, like a quarry supervisor.
3. On the ills of Buhari, all you needed do is acknowledge very simply that you know he has those problems with Nigerians, even though you like him.
4. Stop writing in absolute terms, copy my style in your writings – use a lot of “some,” “most,” “probably,” “would…” And oh, Moses, whatever you do, don’t ever dare Nigerians to produce evidence for anything you are not aware of.
In closing, Ochonu my brother, our path will cross again.
I know so because I would continue to read you because I like you.
It is most probable that I’ll see some views/statements from your writings that would make me challenge
you again.
So I have a feeling we would come this way a few rounds more.
Not to worry, we would become friends in the end.
Most likely by the time we are through the 5th round, all Tony Agbali would need do is use his fork to turn you around, you should be well-done.
Bye for now.
Qansy Salako
Your two supporters didn't help your situation, either.
Take for example, one of them describing Buhari as "non-political?"
Somebody was a military dictator head of state of a country, then later campaigned as a civilian for the position of "President" in two democratic elections and is still being described as "non-political!"
What an inferior statement?
UNUQOTE
I am that un-named "one of them" - and you know why you would not name me. But if mine is an "inferior statement", yours might be described as a dishonest comeback, first, because I actually described Buhari as a "politician" (without the quotes) but qualified him as '"non-political"' (with quotes) because he did not play the politics like traditional politicians do - with hemmings and hawings and subterfuge.
Take care.
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