GREETINGS ALL,
QUESTION: IS THE NIGERIAN PRESIDENT GOING TO FIGHT IN GABON TO BRING DEMOCRACY TO THE DEAD IN SUPPORT OF NATO?
KOFI
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"GREETINGS ALL,
QUESTION: IS THE NIGERIAN PRESIDENT GOING TO FIGHT IN GABON TO BRING DEMOCRACY TO THE DEAD IN SUPPORT OF NATO?
KOFI"
Is Gabon a member of ECOWAS? Of course no.
Tinubu is doing what he is doing in Niger because that country is a member of ECOWAS and every ECOWAS member subscribed to the union's protocol against unconstitutional change of government and Tinubu happens to be the ECOWAS chair at this time.
-CAO.
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Why is it unacceptable to overthrow, via a coup, a government that tramples on various aspects of a nation's constitution? Because an agreement has been signed to preserve a corrupt and incompetent government that neglects the needs of its citizens?
It is Bongo now. I pray that these changes do not result in violence that will destroy the country. But the changes are welcome. African governments must know that 'democracy ' will not save them if they continue to convert their countries into failed states.Kwaku
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Are the bad governments running down their countries not well known?
Are those mere allegations?
What is to be done when some of these govts cannot be changed through elections?
What of when they cannot be changed through allegations, are problematic forms of govt and yet are putting in various degrees of effort to improve their nations?
Complexities
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CAO,I am one of your silent admirers. I like your interpretations of events.In this case, I beg to disagree with your response.
Some leaders of so-called advanced democracies in Europe have been known to keep mistresses. In my view, such leaders are allowing prostitutes to occupy the spaces of their wives.Yes, we divorce misbehaving wives. The people on Niger, Mali, Burkina Faso, and now Niger and a few yet to follow are in essence getting rid of their misbehaving leaders. Call it what you may, a coup is similar to a divorce without a dialogue.
I am offended whenever I hear the phrase 'civilized world' or the word primitivity. If I see what the so-called civilization is doing to the world now, destroying the environment, implementing economic models that keep the Global South in perpetual poverty, amplify inequalities, build Drones and bombs to destroy the same civilization, I'll choose primitivity, I'm sorry.If the current political situation is the best democracy can deliver African, it ought to be reimagined. What's happening in the francafrique now is a reimagining of the inherited governance architecture. It could well end badly. But at least it is a trial.The sad part is that the Anglophones still have their heads in the sand.
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Edward,Do we allow prostitutes to take over our conjugal spaces because our wives misbehave?
We correct such wives or divorce and marry other wives if the misbehaving wives refuse to mend their bad ways.
By the way, those allegations of misbehaviours are still allegations and must be proved beyond all reasonable doubts.
This is the burden civilization imposes on us, otherwise, it would be back to primitivity in which persons were burnt to death, their property distroyed on mere allegations.
-CAO.
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Why is it unacceptable to overthrow, via a coup, a government that tramples on various aspects of a nation's constitution? Because an agreement has been signed to preserve a corrupt and incompetent government that neglects the needs of its citizens?
It is Bongo now. I pray that these changes do not result in violence that will destroy the country. But the changes are welcome. African governments must know that 'democracy ' will not save them if they continue to convert their countries into failed states.Kwaku
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"GREETINGS ALL,
QUESTION: IS THE NIGERIAN PRESIDENT GOING TO FIGHT IN GABON TO BRING DEMOCRACY TO THE DEAD IN SUPPORT OF NATO?
KOFI"
Is Gabon a member of ECOWAS? Of course no.
Tinubu is doing what he is doing in Niger because that country is a member of ECOWAS and every ECOWAS member subscribed to the union's protocol against unconstitutional change of government and Tinubu happens to be the ECOWAS chair at this time.
-CAO.
On Wed, Aug 30, 2023, 9:27 PM 'Dompere, Kofi Kissi' via USA Africa Dialogue Series <usaafricadialogue@googlegroups.com> wrote:
GREETINGS ALL,
QUESTION: IS THE NIGERIAN PRESIDENT GOING TO FIGHT IN GABON TO BRING DEMOCRACY TO THE DEAD IN SUPPORT OF NATO?
KOFI
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This volume presents an analysis of the problems and solutions of the market mockery of the democratic collective decision-choice system with imperfect information structure composed of defective and deceptive structures using methods of fuzzy rationality.
The book is devoted to the political economy of rent-seeking, rent-protection and rent-harvesting to enhance profits under democratic collective decision-choice systems. The toolbox used in the monograph consists of methods of fuzzy decision, approximate reasoning, negotiation games and fuzzy mathematics. The monograph further discusses the rent-seeking phenomenon in the Schumpeterian and Marxian political economies where the rent-seeking activities transform the qualitative character of the general capitalism into oligarchic socialism and making the democratic collective decision-choice system as an ideology rather than social calculus for resolving conflicts in preferences in the collective decision-choice space without violence.
Let us not rush to judgement about these unfolding military coup d'etats. Let us be discerning. For instance, the coup that took place in Gabon a few days ago looks more like a palace coup (a new wine in the same old bottle?) than the sort of coup that occurred earlier on in the Republic of Niger. Not every coup is necessarily motivated by a desire for a transformational change, a desire for a decisive and a people-oriented, African-interest-motivated change. Notice, for instance, that in one of their opening statements, the coupists in Gabon asserted their determination to uphold international agreements. Was that an oblique reference to France's neo-colonial ties with its African colonies? Time will tell.
Another point to consider is that under normal circumstances, a military coup is not a people-oriented means of changing governments. A free people should not be governed through the barrel of the gun. Sovereignty lies with the people.
A military coup is an aberration often provoked by the rascality, the insensitivity, the greedy rabid corruption, the self-centeredness, the illegitimacy of the ruling civilian regime, the disregard of the rule of law by the ruling class, etc. Military officers are not trained to govern; they are trained to kill a designated enemy force in defense of a country’s territorial integrity.
Nigeria’s experience with military governance is a mixed bag that is nothing to write home about. History also shows that a good number of past military coups in Africa were externally sponsored by self-interested geopolitical powers.
In the final analysis, and all things being equal, an effective democracy that is based on the true will of the people, truly free and fair elections, the rule of law, institutionally-oriented governance focused upon meeting the needs of the people and advancing the social development and transformation of the nation, and guided by the fear of God, is the right way to go. And it is the ultimate key to the full development of the human potentials of African peoples.
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GREETINGS ALL
PLEASE REFLECT ON THE STATEMENT BELOW
To the Western imperial system, a new ideological framework and the corresponding strategies had to be invented to create a new socioeconomic environment of imperial controls to stop the African forward march, interest and social vision. This required dealing with the constraining power of the USSR by containing it as part of the Cold War, as well as directing the African interest and social vision into the desert zone of emptiness through indirect controls. In terms of the new imperial framework, Cheik Anta Diop summarizes it as:
The new tactic rather consists in trying to direct it, channel it towards nonsocialist forms, of the so-called Western type. If this goal were to be reached, the former colonial powers and the United States might stop worrying. Black Africa would be not Balkanized (for the political regimes of the Balkan countries are now relatively stable) but South Americanized. It would be made up of a proliferation of little dictator-ridden countries without organic ties one to another, ephemeral, affected with chronic weakness, governed by terror with the help of outsized police force, but under economic domination by foreign countries, pulling strings through the mere presence of an embassy….thus proving the emptiness of the so-called independence of such a state ] [Diop, Cheikh A., Black Africa: The Economic and Cultural Base for a Federated State, Brooklyn, New York, Lawrence Hill, 1976.P15 ] .