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Ogbuagu Anikwe

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IBK says this: "Every ethnic nationality confronts and keeps in check their own Kanus but when the Igbo pat their Kanu on the back it makes others want to release mayhem!"

That made me to pause and reflect deeply on how the minorities must have confronted and kept Adaka Boro or Ken Saro Wiwa in check, how the Yorubas confronted and kept OPC leader, Gani Adams, in check, and how the Kanuris kept JAS leader Yusuf who took up camp in their zone, in check. And so forth.

Can someone kindly develop the claim further with the facts, if they can, for the education of pacifists like us who didn't think so, who believe the contrary - that most ethnic nationalists would be more inclined to either pat on the back or look the other way when youthful energy is deployed in pursuit of an overriding group interest.
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On 24-Jun-2017 9:52 pm, <usaafric...@googlegroups.com> wrote:
Cornelius Hamelberg <cornelius...@gmail.com>: Jun 23 11:18AM -0700

Something to believe in : Brotherhood
<https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N7KvlHO-qwM>
 
This will be my last posting till the 26th of October 2017, unless I have migrated
to heaven <https://www.google.co.uk/?gws_rd=ssl#q=Jannah>by then...
 
Is the venerable Oluwatoyin Vincent Adepoju one of the "others" when he
says that "Some others argue that *Kanu has refined his stance*. Now that
he has brought his struggle to Nigeria, *his methods- both speeches and
action, have become wholly non-violent."*
 
In that case are we supposed to take the venerable Oluwatoyin Vincent
Adepoju's word as gospel about Biafra's Messiah as being "wholly
non-violent"
 
So, this was the old Kanu
<https://www.google.co.uk/?gws_rd=ssl#q=Kanu+:+If+They+Fail+To+Give+Us+Biafra,+Somalia+Will+Look+Like+A+Paradise+...>?
( The Somali civil war started in 1991)
 
Has Nnamdi Kanu become a pacifist
<https://www.google.co.uk/?gws_rd=ssl#q=pacifist> or is he still shooting
from both sides of his mouth, on the one hand " civil disobedience" and on
the other hand declaring as recently as a few days ago, that "Anybody that
says Biafra will not come, will die !
<https://www.google.co.uk/?gws_rd=ssl#q=Kanu+:+Anybody+that+says+Biafra+will+not+come,+will+die&tbm=vid>
"
 
Incendiary non-violent speeches and and non-violent actions eh? Ahimsa
<https://www.google.co.uk/?gws_rd=ssl#q=ahimsa>! Who can deny that Nnamdi
has not even hurt a fly? So Kanu does does not intend to go for a rumble in
the jungle with the security forces?
 
Biafra: Nigerian league of veteran journalists warn against hate speeches
<https://www.google.co.uk/?gws_rd=ssl#q=Biafra:+Nigerian+league+of+veteran+journalists+warn+against+hate+speeches>
 
Insurgency: DSS uncovers plot to attack Kano, Kaduna others
<https://www.google.co.uk/?gws_rd=ssl#q=Insurgency:+DSS+uncovers+plot+to+attack+Kano,+Kaduna+others>
 
Nnamdi Kanu Latest
<https://www.google.co.uk/?gws_rd=ssl#q=Nnamdi+Kanu+Latest>
 
On the last Friday of Ramadan Muslim World marks International Quds Day
<https://www.google.co.uk/?gws_rd=ssl#q=On+the+last+Friday+of+Ramadan+Muslim+World+marks+International+Quds+Day+>
 
 
 
 
 
 
On Thursday, 22 June 2017 18:23:52 UTC+2, Oluwatoyin Vincent Adepoju wrote:
Olayinka Agbetuyi <yagb...@hotmail.com>: Jun 23 04:00PM

You can say that again!
 
 
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-------- Original message --------
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Date: 23/06/2017 11:38 (GMT+00:00)
To: Cornelius Hamelberg <cornelius...@gmail.com>, USA Africa Dialogue Series <usaafricadialogue@googlegroups.com>
Subject: RE: USA Africa Dialogue Series - Re: Achuzia and Realuzation of Biafra
 
One error here! African traditional beliefs do not proselytize! There is freedom to worship whatever pleases you and helps you without fear or favor!
 
It is the Abrahamic religions of Judaism, Christianity and Islam that kill on behalf if their God and have a policy of my way or the highway!
 
Cheers.
 
IBK
 
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Subject: Re: USA Africa Dialogue Series - Re: Achuzia and Realuzation of Biafra
 
 
Baba Kadiri,
 
 
 
Isn't Thor<https://www.google.co.uk/?gws_rd=ssl#q=Thor+(+Scandinavian+mythology> the Swedish version of Yoruba's Shango<https://www.google.co.uk/?gws_rd=ssl#q=Shango+(+Yoruba+mythology>?
 
It's possible that some of the Italians are still swearing by Mars <https://www.google.co.uk/?gws_rd=ssl#q=+Roman+god+of+War> , but didn't Jesus say<https://www.google.co.uk/?gws_rd=ssl#q=Matthew+5:+34-35> "swear not at all; neither by heaven; for it is God's throne:Nor by the earth; for it is his footstool: neither by Jerusalem; for it is the city of the great King" ?
 
On the Yoruba (Oduduwa<https://www.google.co.uk/?gws_rd=ssl#q=Oduduwa+Republic>) - Igbo (Biafra<https://www.google.co.uk/?gws_rd=ssl#q=Biafra> ) axis it could be a showdown between Olodumare<https://www.google.co.uk/?gws_rd=ssl#q=Olodumare+> and Chukwu<https://www.google.co.uk/?gws_rd=ssl#q=Chukwu+(+Supreme+Being+of+the+Igbo> (assuming that there is a difference between them) If there is a difference and both of them are jealous, what happens then?
 
You are familiar with Ola Rotimi's "The Gods are not to blame<https://www.google.co.uk/?gws_rd=ssl#q=Ola+Rotimi+:+The+Gods+are+not+to+Blame>" - so lets skip the argument about which God is responsible for the state that Nigeria is in or which God is stronger; it seems to me that if the Nigerian Gods are united at least on a national, if not a universal level, then the peoples of Nigeria could also be united under the One God and I guess that therein lies the strength in monotheism: you, Chidi and Obi all united under one God and I suppose that the good people of Zamfara would like to make a strong political plea for Allah subhanahu ta'ala <https://www.google.co.uk/?gws_rd=ssl#q=allah+subhanahu+ta%27ala> as a unifying factor. As you yourself are aware, there's no way Nigerian Muslims (some 55% of the nation) is ever going to accept any other God or Gods (shirk)<https://www.google.co.uk/?gws_rd=ssl#q=Shirk+(+Islam>. The Christians of course have issues with "qul huwa allahu ahad<https://www.google.co.uk/?gws_rd=ssl#q=qul+huwa+allahu+ahad>" even if you argue the merits of the Omnipotent's divine mathematics. The Jews of course have issues with al- Islam and with Jesus who Islam recognises as the Messiah of the Jews.
 
The question that we must examine and answer are :
 
1. Is it OK to legitimise racism and tribalism in the name of this and that religion?
 
2. Be honest now. What do you say about Biafra wanting a divorce from Nigeria? Surely they should not have to go to war to liberate themselves from an unhappy marriage?
 
It should be interesting to see how the Pro-Biafra people are going to react to whatever punishment is meted out to Nnamdi Kanu...
 
Roland Kirk<https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tiI2ZHmxPPo>
 
 
On Thursday, 22 June 2017 23:35:40 UTC+2, ogunlakaiye wrote:
 
Baby Nnamdi Hamelberg,
 
May the Gods of Sweden, Odén and Tor, and the Goddess of Sweden, Freia, deliver Nigeria from those who preach that divided we, Nigerians, stand and united, we fall. Since Swedish Gods and her Goddess are more powerful than Hebrew and Arabic Gods, I am sure that They will grant the prayer of Nigerians to remain united as brothers and sisters regardless of devilish efforts of Lucifers.
 
S. Kadiri
 
 
 
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17.30 -Stockholm, Midsummer’s Day...
 
Mazi Chidi,
 
In plain prose : I agree with you completely.
 
What's wrong with our man? There he goes, violating the terms of his release, his bail conditions<https://www.google.co.uk/?gws_rd=ssl#q=Nnamdi+Kanu%27s+bail+conditions> such as
 
the prohibition against holding rallies, granting interviews or addressing a "crowd" of more than ten people whilst awaiting his trial. As if he is unaware of those bail conditions and maybe intoxicated and getting too big for his boots, a little giddy being so much in the limelight and loving every moment of the media's glare, he has inauspiciously proclaimed himself militant "Messiah of Biafra<https://www.google.co.uk/?gws_rd=ssl#q=Messiah+of+Biafra>" - about which I say, well, there are many false prophets and false messiahs <https://www.google.co.uk/?gws_rd=ssl#q=false+messiahs> - not only of Israel - and in Rabbi Kanu's case it's maybe a prefiguration of his trial, eventual long prison sentence or crucifixion/ execution and martyrdom. All that remains is his last supper with his twelve disciples - after humbly washing their feet. Meanwhile - while he's still a free man let him continue to enjoy prancing around like a pop star, wearing his special colourful robes and Ray Charles sunglasses - delivering lengthy speeches to large crowds - in English too, so that the rest of the world that doesn't speak Igbo can hear and understand him, he has been granting interviews - to al-Jazeera among others and - without any military training or experience is still talking like a great military general like Julius Caesar or soon to be guerilla leader like Che Guevara<https://www.google.co.uk/?gws_rd=ssl#q=Che+guevara>.
 
As a result of all of the above, we can see plainly see that his conviction is a foregone conclusion - what we don't yet know is the severity of the sentence that he is going to receive in order to set a statutory example to those who advocate taking up arms against the Federal Government for any reason whatsoever.
 
What do the Igbo elders say ?
 
Among the venerable Igbo elders I have in mind stalwarts like stiff upper lip Emeka Anyaoku <https://www.google.co.uk/?gws_rd=ssl#q=Emeka+Anyaoku+> and in my time in Nigeria, Shagari's second-in-command Alex Ekwueme<https://www.google.co.uk/?gws_rd=ssl#q=alex+ekwueme>. On the religious-ethical front, on the world stage we have a moral authority like Cardinal Francis Arinze<https://www.google.co.uk/?gws_rd=ssl#q=Cardinal+Francis+Arinze> who we should imagine would much prefer a non-violent revolutionary Brother Nnamdi Kanu walking in the footsteps of his Jewish Brother Jesus and reflecting the values of the Sermon on the Mount, instead of spitting fire and threatening his neighbours with death, as if he doesn't know that Igbos live all over the federation and are liable to tit-for-tat eye for eye retaliation - starting with pogroms in the North as has happened before.
 
I should like to add Biko Agozino<https://www.google.co.uk/?gws_rd=ssl#q=Biko+Agozino> to the honourable category of "Igbo elders" even though he may be too young for that. So what say ye if he is included in the category "Junior Igbo elder " - like a junior senator ? ( When I was eighteen I thought that I was certainly a grown up)
 
Ten years later , the scars of war were still visible in Aba, Umuahia and Owerri, according to other's testimonies because I myself don't know what those places looked like before the war and I guess that Igbos under the age of fifty can't remember either
 
We (Igbo, Yoruba, Hausa, Fulani Kalabari alike, including Alhaji Mujahid Asari-Dokubo) have a moral obligation to condemn Kanu's outrageous - and dangerous beating of war drums when we should be talking peaceably about the best way way to go forward and about a referendum to begin with...
 
All of the above, notwithstanding, it may be a just a blip, but Nnamdi Kanu's place in history is still assured. He has and is still fulfilling his function: amplifying the Biafra cause which in my view, especially in the world outside of Nigeria, I believe many people would support, not least of all here in Sweden , if it is all approached peacefully - starting with a referendum. (I know that an irate Baba Nnamdi Kadiri Esq probably won't hesitate in taking me to task by asking me "How do you know that "many people in Sweden" would support the Biafra cause, ? Did you conduct a referendum whereby you verified their commitment? )
 
Well, first of all, believe it or not there are the questions that we have to answer in the grave <https://www.google.co.uk/?gws_rd=ssl#q=The+questions+at+the+grave> and not before. On the Day of Judgement Nnamdi will probably be asked about his accomplishments on earth that should merit his being granted a seat near the throne of Majesty. At that point, everyone of us will have to speak for him and herself not just on behalf of making America Nigeria/ Biafra etc. "great again". I think that on the day of that trial most of us, including the Nigerian judges will be pleading for mercy -
 
Na so a see am o!
 
Yours sin-cerely,
 
Cornelius
 
We Sweden<https://www.thelocal.se/blogs/corneliushamelberg/>
 
 
 
 
 
 
On Thursday, 22 June 2017 12:55:03 UTC+2, Chidi Anthony Opara wrote:
Mazi Cornelius,
I do not waste my time with characters like Kanu. You at least know me and several other Igbos, now the question is; does it look like Kanu represents us?
 
The Kanu hate speeches is being used as a blackmail tool. Kanu tongue-lashes everyone, including those you want to call him to order. All the ethnic nationalities in Nigeria however have their own Kanu.
 
CAO.
 
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"Ibukunolu. A. Babajide" <ibk...@gmail.com>: Jun 24 12:11AM -0400

CAO,
 
Evil thrives when good men keep quiet and fail to confront it! Confront your Nnamdi Kanu before he tarnishes the image of all Igbo.
 
Every ethnic nationality confronts and keeps in check their own Kanus but when the Igbo pat their Kanu on the back it makes others want to release mayhem!
 
Cheers
 
 
IBK
 
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Oluwatoyin Vincent Adepoju <toyin....@gmail.com>: Jun 24 09:18AM +0100

May Biafra come soon.
 
May the restructuring or dissolution of Nigeria in the name of true
progress come soon.
 
The current situation is ridiculous. If it continues, we might find
ourselves standing on this spot or see the country has regressed even
further in the next 50 years as the system has deteriorated in the 50 plus
years since independence.
 
We need a country our countries to which its citizens and leaders are
committed. In its current situation, Nigeria is too much like a jungle, but
even then, a jungle operates according to an ecosystemic order through
which it maintains growth, but the Nigerian system demonstrates a
degenerative order at best.
 
The difference between Nigeria and serious nations is appalling. Having
observed the difference between Nigeria of more than 10 years ago and
Nigeria at present, the degeneration or stagnant condition is deeply
troubling.
 
Those demanding for fundamental change include those who are cheated in
their hopes in APC's promised change and people like me who always saw APC
as another group of soldiers of fortune.
 
I see corruption and elite theft as expressions of non-commitment to a
compromised nation. Govt sponsored Fulani terrorism represents the stance
of one group to extend a jihadist ideology across a nation they wish to
own, an extremist expression of an attitude that sees the nation as a
no-man's-land where thieves of all kinds can stake territory.
 
More power to Biafra, to all secessionists, from the Niger Delta to the
Urhobo nation, and to all reconstructionists.
 
My spirit is lifted by this season in Nigerian history.
 
thanks
 
toyin
 
Chidi Anthony Opara <chidi...@gmail.com>: Jun 24 06:31AM -0700

IBK,
Exactly what I am doing here and at other places.
 
CAO.
Chidi Anthony Opara <chidi...@gmail.com>: Jun 24 07:55AM -0700

Toyin,
What if Nigeria is restructured and working well and I still want a homeland of whatever name for my people and I go about persuading them to join me in the quest, offering no other reasons other than that it's our inalienable right, would the quest be unlawful?
 
CAO.
Salimonu Kadiri <ogunl...@hotmail.com>: Jun 24 05:02PM

Eze-Cornelius Hamelberg the 1st of Njikoka,
 
 
A correspondent name for the Swedish deity, Thor, in Yoruba is not the issue here as every group of people in the world has the right to worship whatever God they wish.
 
 
A casket seller sees every living human being as a corpse just like those wishing the disintegration of Nigeria see differences between the Yoruba, Olodumare, and the Igbo, Chukwu. However, the DNA of the Yoruba and the Igbo, and in fact the entire population of Nigeria, is Negroid. That is why the Yoruba Bàbá-aláwo is just another name for Ezemuo in Igbo. Recently, the Governor of Abia State between 1999 and 2007, Orji Uzor Kalu, attended to a court seating of his trial for looting the state's treasury of the sum of nearly 3 billion naira during his tenure. Mr. Kalu appeared in court dressed up like an Hausaman with a huge Turban on his head. Everyone, seeing him mistook him for Sultan of Sokoto. Not only that, when Justice Binta Nyanko granted Orji Uzor Kalu bail in July 2007, his bail conditions were fulfilled by two Northerners, General Ibrahim Babangida and Atiku Abubakar who signed his bail papers. No matter how much Nnamdi Kanu pretends, he has no Jewish DNA in him and the earlier this Albino stops seeing himself as a Caucasian Jew, the more he will stop having problems.
 
 
You asked, "Is it OK to legitimatise racism and tribalism in the name of this and that religion?" That question should be directed to your half brothers, the Caucasian, who since our encounter with them have used religion and racism to oppress and exploit the Black race. Must I remind you that it was Pope Nicholas the Fifth who in his Bull of 1450 quoted Leviticus 25 and Exodus 21 to justify the enslavement of the Black man. You are hereby also reminded that in 1492, Rodrigo Borgis became Pope Alexander VI. In his 1493 Papal Bull leading to the Treaty of Tordesillas between Spain and Portugal, black people were declared the property of those countries. In 1857, a US Pastor and a Doctor of Divinity, George D. Armstrong wrote a book titled Christian Doctrine of Slavery for a pro-slavery argument. Twenty-five years earlier, 1832, a US Professor of History, Metaphysics and Political Law at William & Mary College, Virginia, in his pro-slavery argument wrote a book titled, Slavery Ordained by God. The economic and political problems which Nigerians, and in fact, the entire Africa, are still battling with today could be traced to our enslavers now known as Global leaders. In view of the aforesaid, your question as to if it is OK to legitimatise racism in the name of this and that religion is grossly misdirected.
 
 
Concerning your request on what I have to say on your belief that Biafra wants a divorce from Nigeria, I must confess that I have never been aware of any marriage between Nigeria and an entity called Biafra. The Igbo were born in Nigeria like all other ethnic groups in Nigeria and by birth we are all Nigerians by birth and not by interethnic marriage.
 
 
The Igbo have ancestral land area in Nigeria and if they for any reason want to confine themselves inside their ancestral geographical area in the present day Nigeria, I do not think anyone can stop them. That is the essence of Arewa Youths' call on all Igbo to leave the North within the same time that all the Hausa/Fulani in Igbo land (Southeast) should return to the North. Simplified, if Sierra Leoneans in Sweden, for certain reasons, are no longer pleased with living in Sweden, the best solution for all Sierra Leoneans is to pack their bags and bagages and resettle in Sierra Leone. It can't be wise or logical to demand a referendum in Sweden for Sierra Leoneans to decide whether to exit Sweden or not. So far, I do not know why the Igbo want a sovereign state of Biafra out of Nigeria, and I do not know the geographical land area that is contained in their Biafra.
 
S. Kadiri
 
 
 
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You can say that again!
 
 
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Date: 23/06/2017 11:38 (GMT+00:00)
To: Cornelius Hamelberg <cornelius...@gmail.com>, USA Africa Dialogue Series <usaafricadialogue@googlegroups.com>
Subject: RE: USA Africa Dialogue Series - Re: Achuzia and Realuzation of Biafra
 
One error here! African traditional beliefs do not proselytize! There is freedom to worship whatever pleases you and helps you without fear or favor!
 
It is the Abrahamic religions of Judaism, Christianity and Islam that kill on behalf if their God and have a policy of my way or the highway!
 
Cheers.
 
IBK
 
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Baba Kadiri,
 
 
 
Isn't Thor<https://www.google.co.uk/?gws_rd=ssl#q=Thor+(+Scandinavian+mythology> the Swedish version of Yoruba's Shango<https://www.google.co.uk/?gws_rd=ssl#q=Shango+(+Yoruba+mythology>?
 
It's possible that some of the Italians are still swearing by Mars <https://www.google.co.uk/?gws_rd=ssl#q=+Roman+god+of+War> , but didn't Jesus say<https://www.google.co.uk/?gws_rd=ssl#q=Matthew+5:+34-35> "swear not at all; neither by heaven; for it is God's throne:Nor by the earth; for it is his footstool: neither by Jerusalem; for it is the city of the great King" ?
 
On the Yoruba (Oduduwa<https://www.google.co.uk/?gws_rd=ssl#q=Oduduwa+Republic>) - Igbo (Biafra<https://www.google.co.uk/?gws_rd=ssl#q=Biafra> ) axis it could be a showdown between Olodumare<https://www.google.co.uk/?gws_rd=ssl#q=Olodumare+> and Chukwu<https://www.google.co.uk/?gws_rd=ssl#q=Chukwu+(+Supreme+Being+of+the+Igbo> (assuming that there is a difference between them) If there is a difference and both of them are jealous, what happens then?
 
You are familiar with Ola Rotimi's "The Gods are not to blame<https://www.google.co.uk/?gws_rd=ssl#q=Ola+Rotimi+:+The+Gods+are+not+to+Blame>" - so lets skip the argument about which God is responsible for the state that Nigeria is in or which God is stronger; it seems to me that if the Nigerian Gods are united at least on a national, if not a universal level, then the peoples of Nigeria could also be united under the One God and I guess that therein lies the strength in monotheism: you, Chidi and Obi all united under one God and I suppose that the good people of Zamfara would like to make a strong political plea for Allah subhanahu ta'ala <https://www.google.co.uk/?gws_rd=ssl#q=allah+subhanahu+ta%27ala> as a unifying factor. As you yourself are aware, there's no way Nigerian Muslims (some 55% of the nation) is ever going to accept any other God or Gods (shirk)<https://www.google.co.uk/?gws_rd=ssl#q=Shirk+(+Islam>. The Christians of course have issues with "qul huwa allahu ahad<https://www.google.co.uk/?gws_rd=ssl#q=qul+huwa+allahu+ahad>" even if you argue the merits of the Omnipotent's divine mathematics. The Jews of course have issues with al- Islam and with Jesus who Islam recognises as the Messiah of the Jews.
 
The question that we must examine and answer are :
 
1. Is it OK to legitimise racism and tribalism in the name of this and that religion?
 
2. Be honest now. What do you say about Biafra wanting a divorce from Nigeria? Surely they should not have to go to war to liberate themselves from an unhappy marriage?
 
It should be interesting to see how the Pro-Biafra people are going to react to whatever punishment is meted out to Nnamdi Kanu...
 
Roland Kirk<https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tiI2ZHmxPPo>
 
 
On Thursday, 22 June 2017 23:35:40 UTC+2, ogunlakaiye wrote:
 
Baby Nnamdi Hamelberg,
 
May the Gods of Sweden, Odén and Tor, and the Goddess of Sweden, Freia, deliver Nigeria from those who preach that divided we, Nigerians, stand and united, we fall. Since Swedish Gods and her Goddess are more powerful than Hebrew and Arabic Gods, I am sure that They will grant the prayer of Nigerians to remain united as brothers and sisters regardless of devilish efforts of Lucifers.
 
S. Kadiri
 
 
 
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17.30 -Stockholm, Midsummer’s Day...
 
Mazi Chidi,
 
In plain prose : I agree with you completely.
 
What's wrong with our man? There he goes, violating the terms of his release, his bail conditions<https://www.google.co.uk/?gws_rd=ssl#q=Nnamdi+Kanu%27s+bail+conditions> such as
 
the prohibition against holding rallies, granting interviews or addressing a "crowd" of more than ten people whilst awaiting his trial. As if he is unaware of those bail conditions and maybe intoxicated and getting too big for his boots, a little giddy being so much in the limelight and loving every moment of the media's glare, he has inauspiciously proclaimed himself militant "Messiah of Biafra<https://www.google.co.uk/?gws_rd=ssl#q=Messiah+of+Biafra>" - about which I say, well, there are many false prophets and false messiahs <https://www.google.co.uk/?gws_rd=ssl#q=false+messiahs> - not only of Israel - and in Rabbi Kanu's case it's maybe a prefiguration of his trial, eventual long prison sentence or crucifixion/ execution and martyrdom. All that remains is his last supper with his twelve disciples - after humbly washing their feet. Meanwhile - while he's still a free man let him continue to enjoy prancing around like a pop star, wearing his special colourful robes and Ray Charles sunglasses - delivering lengthy speeches to large crowds - in English too, so that the rest of the world that doesn't speak Igbo can hear and understand him, he has been granting interviews - to al-Jazeera among others and - without any military training or experience is still talking like a great military general like Julius Caesar or soon to be guerilla leader like Che Guevara<https://www.google.co.uk/?gws_rd=ssl#q=Che+guevara>.
 
As a result of all of the above, we can see plainly see that his conviction is a foregone conclusion - what we don't yet know is the severity of the sentence that he is going to receive in order to set a statutory example to those who advocate taking up arms against the Federal Government for any reason whatsoever.
 
What do the Igbo elders say ?
 
Among the venerable Igbo elders I have in mind stalwarts like stiff upper lip Emeka Anyaoku <https://www.google.co.uk/?gws_rd=ssl#q=Emeka+Anyaoku+> and in my time in Nigeria, Shagari's second-in-command Alex Ekwueme<https://www.google.co.uk/?gws_rd=ssl#q=alex+ekwueme>. On the religious-ethical front, on the world stage we have a moral authority like Cardinal Francis Arinze<https://www.google.co.uk/?gws_rd=ssl#q=Cardinal+Francis+Arinze> who we should imagine would much prefer a non-violent revolutionary Brother Nnamdi Kanu walking in the footsteps of his Jewish Brother Jesus and reflecting the values of the Sermon on the Mount, instead of spitting fire and threatening his neighbours with death, as if he doesn't know that Igbos live all over the federation and are liable to tit-for-tat eye for eye retaliation - starting with pogroms in the North as has happened before.
 
I should like to add Biko Agozino<https://www.google.co.uk/?gws_rd=ssl#q=Biko+Agozino> to the honourable category of "Igbo elders" even though he may be too young for that. So what say ye if he is included in the category "Junior Igbo elder " - like a junior senator ? ( When I was eighteen I thought that I was certainly a grown up)
 
Ten years later , the scars of war were still visible in Aba, Umuahia and Owerri, according to other's testimonies because I myself don't know what those places looked like before the war and I guess that Igbos under the age of fifty can't remember either
 
We (Igbo, Yoruba, Hausa, Fulani Kalabari alike, including Alhaji Mujahid Asari-Dokubo) have a moral obligation to condemn Kanu's outrageous - and dangerous beating of war drums when we should be talking peaceably about the best way way to go forward and about a referendum to begin with...
 
All of the above, notwithstanding, it may be a just a blip, but Nnamdi Kanu's place in history is still assured. He has and is still fulfilling his function: amplifying the Biafra cause which in my view, especially in the world outside of Nigeria, I believe many people would support, not least of all here in Sweden , if it is all approached peacefully - starting with a referendum. (I know that an irate Baba Nnamdi Kadiri Esq probably won't hesitate in taking me to task by asking me "How do you know that "many people in Sweden" would support the Biafra cause, ? Did you conduct a referendum whereby you verified their commitment? )
 
Well, first of all, believe it or not there are the questions that we have to answer in the grave <https://www.google.co.uk/?gws_rd=ssl#q=The+questions+at+the+grave> and not before. On the Day of Judgement Nnamdi will probably be asked about his accomplishments on earth that should merit his being granted a seat near the throne of Majesty. At that point, everyone of us will have to speak for him and herself not just on behalf of making America Nigeria/ Biafra etc. "great again". I think that on the day of that trial most of us, including the Nigerian judges will be pleading for mercy -
 
Na so a see am o!
 
Yours sin-cerely,
 
Cornelius
 
We Sweden<https://www.thelocal.se/blogs/corneliushamelberg/>
 
 
 
 
 
 
On Thursday, 22 June 2017 12:55:03 UTC+2, Chidi Anthony Opara wrote:
Mazi Cornelius,
I do not waste my time with characters like Kanu. You at least know me and several other Igbos, now the question is; does it look like Kanu represents us?
 
The Kanu hate speeches is being used as a blackmail tool. Kanu tongue-lashes everyone, including those you want to call him to order. All the ethnic nationalities in Nigeria however have their own Kanu.
 
CAO.
 
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Olayinka Agbetuyi <yagb...@hotmail.com>: Jun 24 04:45PM

Again it will not be unlawful if such homeland is NOT to be carved out of an existing nation.
 
 
 
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Toyin,
What if Nigeria is restructured and working well and I still want a homeland of whatever name for my people and I go about persuading them to join me in the quest, offering no other reasons other than that it's our inalienable right, would the quest be unlawful?
 
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Olayinka Agbetuyi <yagb...@hotmail.com>: Jun 24 04:43PM

Usually people embark on the quest for homelands because they are not satisfied with the current arrangements in their current situation and things dont seem to be working well.
 
Any attempt to solicit support for a separate homeland where current situation works well will rationally fall on deaf ears since no one rationally wants to leave certainties for uncertainties.
 
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Toyin,
What if Nigeria is restructured and working well and I still want a homeland of whatever name for my people and I go about persuading them to join me in the quest, offering no other reasons other than that it's our inalienable right, would the quest be unlawful?
 
CAO.
 
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Chidi Anthony Opara <chidi...@gmail.com>: Jun 24 11:15AM -0700

Olayinka,
Homelands are carved out of existing nations.
 
CAO.
Olayinka Agbetuyi <yagb...@hotmail.com>: Jun 24 07:23PM

Notionally. If the nationals all agree to legally carve it out. Give examples..
 
For my own example if a section of the Yoruba decide to legally carve out Oduduwa Republic out of Nigeria, and if the numerically powerful Igbo population as stake holders in all the territory known as Nigeria decide to withold consent then that homeland will legally remain a figment of the imagination of the proposers irrespective of the fact that the area under proposal was/is their ancestral homeland. It cannot be turned into a separate republic INSIDE Nigeria except with the consent of majority of the stakeholders of Nigeria.
 
If the said group want to move outside the current territory of Nigeria to a virgin land drafting along fellow Yoruba to form such republic, of course no one can stop them.
 
Therein lies the paradox of modern nationhood. Once formed, continuation /separation is a process of continual negotiations. No arbitrary decisions can be made regarding any part of it by any section in it.
 
 
 
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Olayinka,
Homelands are carved out of existing nations.
 
CAO.
 
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Chidi Anthony Opara <chidi...@gmail.com>: Jun 24 11:28AM -0700

"Usually people embark on the quest for homelands because they are not satisfied with the current arrangements in their current situation and things dont seem to be working well.
 
Any attempt to solicit support for a separate homeland where current situation works well will rationally fall on deaf ears since no one rationally wants to leave certainties for uncertainties" (Olayinka).
 
Agreed, but would such action be considered unlawful?
 
CAO.
Chidi Anthony Opara <chidi...@gmail.com>: Jun 24 12:57PM -0700

Olayinka,
again I agree with you, but will add that Biafra can still be achieved through that method, the Nnamdi Kanu and Ralph Uwazuruike hysteria notwithstanding.
 
CAO.
Olayinka Agbetuyi <yagb...@hotmail.com>: Jun 24 07:51PM

I have answered this question already. If canvassing for such homeland is with a view to establishing within an existing nation, yes it is unlawful and a treasonable felony. It can be viewed as an attempt to overthrow the constitutional arrangement of the existing nation.
 
Whether the government wants to exercise the prerogative of mercy is entirely up to government.
 
 
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"Usually people embark on the quest for homelands because they are not satisfied with the current arrangements in their current situation and things dont seem to be working well.
 
Any attempt to solicit support for a separate homeland where current situation works well will rationally fall on deaf ears since no one rationally wants to leave certainties for uncertainties" (Olayinka).
 
Agreed, but would such action be considered unlawful?
 
CAO.
 
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Olayinka Agbetuyi <yagb...@hotmail.com>: Jun 24 08:21PM

Well we shall all wait and see...
 
 
 
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Olayinka,
again I agree with you, but will add that Biafra can still be achieved through that method, the Nnamdi Kanu and Ralph Uwazuruike hysteria notwithstanding.
 
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Chidi Anthony Opara <chidi...@gmail.com>: Jun 24 01:34PM -0700

It cannot be unlawful, peoples have inalienable rights to agitate for homelands, so long as such agitations are non violent.
 
CAO.
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Igbo Position on Nigerian Restructuring
 
By Osita Ebiem
 
The need to restructure the Nigerian state has gained a populist currency
in the past few years. Especially, since the beginning of this year, 2017
it has become a consensus call coming from almost all the ethnical,
political and geographical sections that make up the corporate Nigerian
state. Recently the champions of this call for a new and different Nigeria
have gained an overwhelming numerical strength. Therefore their voices are
increasingly getting stronger, louder and urgent. The fear and seemingly
mysterious fog that earlier surrounded this now deafening call for change
and the enthronement of a new order seems to have suddenly cleared up. And
now with a clearer picture the argument to restructure Nigeria becomes more
compelling and can simply not be ignored or wished away any longer by those
who traditionally oppose it.
 
As the days go by the rank of those in opposition of a restructured Nigeria
continues to decline and pale in the face of so many incontestable and
overpowering evidences in support. It has now become clear that the current
Nigerian state does not and cannot work as it is presently structured.
Therefore, the majority of the country’s stakeholders have finally accepted
that the existing Nigerian state structure is not viable and cannot be
sustained any much longer. Many genuine patriotic Nigerians are seeking for
real solutions and a considerable majority tends to believe that what is
needed is a Nigerian country that works on a structure where the diverse
ethnical, political, religious and social units are forming a confederating
union.
 
Nigeria currently exists on a structure that is centrally controlled or
administered – a federal government. It has been like this since the
military intervention in the government of the country in January, 1966. In
order to effectively control the political turmoil and mayhem taking place
in the Western Region of the country and forestall the unconscionable
corruptive and overarching manipulations of the federal power by the
politicians who wielded its reigns, the army which took power through a
military coup d’état adopted the federal government structure effective
immediately. During the past 50 years, practical experiences and ensuing
events have shown clearly that this centralized control of natural
resources and political power is not working for the country: Hence the
need for something new, something different.
 
That something new is the now much talked about restructured Nigeria. An
important highlight of this now popular and highly recommended
restructuring is the fact that the advocates want much of the powers for
the day to day running of the grassroots components of Nigeria to be vested
in the local governments of the different contiguous regions. Restructure
advocates want the federal government to be stripped of the control of much
of the powers which it hitherto has. Some of those powers which are
presently exclusively and entirely reposed on the federal government are
natural resources control, education, law enforcement, etc. The advocates
of restructure contend that they want especially the control of natural
resources, law enforcement and education to be decentralized and devolved
to the regional centers. Most importantly, the advocates argue that this
envisaged new arrangement will enable the different regional power centers
to develop and grow each at their own pace, without unduly interfering with
or holding up their neighbors. It is expected that with this new
arrangement the central government can exclusively control the collective
national military, external affairs, some aspects of the judiciary and
other matters as are determined to represent a federal Nigerian image and
interests.
 
Basically, what most of the advocates of restructure have in mind is that
they still want to preserve Nigeria as a unit – one Nigeria must exist no
matter what. Perhaps, they are convinced that because the different
incongruous ethnical, cultural and religious groups of peoples within the
fictitious geographical enclave have stayed together long enough and
successfully established amongst themselves some inseparable familial
bonds. As a result, the love of country and fellow citizens has become
deeply ingrained in the peoples. In their mind; by some magic the forced
Nigerian marriage has finally turned into love and bliss affair and, no one
should put asunder the sacred bond of one Nigeria which was joined together
by foreigners – the officiating colonial British priests.
 
It is not difficult to see that the advocates for this new structure
believe fervently that the fire of Nigeria’s national brotherly love now
burns so wonderfully bright. That the peoples of this dreamed of nirvana
new one Nigeria can actually build a communal fire in a faraway imaginary
center and still get warmed up in their various separate semi-autonomous
regions so long as they all go by the name “Nigeria.” These Nigerian
patriots like some sinister manipulative spouse abusers are trying hard to
impress on the different ethnical, religious and cultural Nigerian partners
that they will be nothing and cannot exist without attaching themselves to
the “one Nigerian” fiction. In this way the manipulating restructure
advocates believe they have sufficiently convinced the irreconcilable
peoples and that they now believe that they cannot exist on their own if
they did not append themselves to the one Nigerian elixir.
 
The ethnic Igbo people of eastern Nigeria are a part of this present
Nigerian union. When the time comes, Igbo people are also expected to form
a part of this proposed restructured one Nigeria. But for some obvious and
fundamental reasons the Igbo cannot possibly be a part of this planned new
Nigeria, no matter how attractive. On the 29th of May 1966 the Igbo
renounced forever their Nigerian citizenship. On that date Nigeria as a
state and its other citizens began to ethnically cleanse Nigeria of its
Igbo inhabitants. Subsequently, the outrageous hate induced Nigerian mass
murder and expulsion of the Igbo from the country was advanced further.
After the Igbo had been successfully expelled from Nigeria, the Nigerian
state and all its citizens embarked on a premeditated genocidal war
campaign against the escaped Igbo nation. Nigeria’s declared intention at
the outset of the war was to wipe out the Igbo as a people from the Earth.
Nigeria actively pursued that goal by mustering a viscous merciless host of
men and machines and attacked the Igbo in their ancestral homeland where
they ran to take refuge. Consequently, a quarter of Igbo population was
murdered by the Nigerian state. Of the 3.5 million easterners or former
Biafrans murdered by Nigeria, 3.1 of them were Igbo people.
 
Fifty years since this grievous atrocity, the Nigerian state and all its
other citizens have consistently refused to acknowledge any wrongdoing.
Instead Nigeria and Nigerians have remorselessly maintained that the
heinous genocide of the Igbo should not be counted as crime. Thus
emboldened, since the past fifty years Nigeria has pursued systematic state
policies that are geared toward the persecution, the marginalization and
exclusion of the ethnic Igbo from the Nigerian social, political and
economic affairs. The ultimate aim of everything of course is to finally
exterminate the Igbo. Truly, the unrepentant Nigerian program of the
genocide of the Igbo remains an enduring project.
 
For these and other reasons, the Igbo have resolved that they will not have
any part in the proposed restructured new country of Nigeria. The Igbo have
unambiguously stated that they are not interested in going into any union
with any other national group in Nigeria. Therefore, while the Igbo wish
Nigeria and Nigerians well in their quest to finding a workable solution to
their national problem, the Igbo have unequivocally opted for a separate
Igbo identity and the separation of their territory from the Nigerian
state.
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The mischievous spirit
Poisons our stream,
Mass madness pervades our land.
We dance
To the music of mercenary minstrels.
 
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http://sensesofcinema.com/2017/film-studies/dana-polan-interview/
We Live in a World of Images: Interview with Dana Polan
 
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*A professor in the Department of Cinema Studies at New York University,
Dana Polan has written prolifically on film and television since receiving
a PhD from Stanford in 1980 and a Doctorat d’État from the Université de la
Sorbonne-Nouvelle in 1985. His books include *The Politics of Film and the
Avant-Garde *(1984), *Power and Paranoia: History, Narrative and the
American Cinema, 1940-1950* (1986), *Scenes of Instruction: The Beginnings
of the US Study of Film* (2007) and *Julia Child’s The French Chef *(2011),
as well as works on *In a Lonely Place*, *Pulp Fiction*, Jane Campion and *The
Sopranos*. In addition to his work on American cinema, he has had a
long-term interest in French film theory and philosophy, and translated
Gilles Deleuze and Félix Guattari’s *Kafka: Towards a Minor Literature* into
English. He was awarded the Chevalier dans l’Ordre des Arts by the French
Government in 1998, and was inducted into the Academy of Motion Picture
Arts and Sciences as an Academy Scholar in 2003.*
 
* * *
 
*DF: One question that seems to have a remarkable longevity is the question
of the death of cinema. It seems to be something that people have been
saying for decades now. What’s strange is that the discourse doesn’t go
away, even though the cinema survives. We could almost compare it to
religious sects who announce that the world is going to end on a given
date, and then when the world doesn’t end they push the date back. What are
your thoughts on that whole trope?*
 
DP: I think it is a trope, I think it is a gesture. I’m fascinated in
general by recurrent declarations whose content tends to be apocalyptic.
For me the one that is just as interesting as death of cinema – and maybe
it’s because I’m an academic – is the crisis in the humanities. There’s
often a cyclical quality to them, there will be the announcement of some
apocalypse coming, there will be reaction against it, correction, caution,
and then it comes back again. And some of that may be that a certain
discourse needs that kind of crisis mentality in order to sustain itself.
Your mention of the religious thing is interesting because a lot of the
death of cinema talk came right around the end of the 20th century. There
are people who talk about millennial thinking, and the way in which
messianic concerns seem to come up not only when centuries are turning but
when millennia are turning. Frank Kermode’s *Sense of an Ending* talks a
lot about what happened in the year 1000, what would happen in the year
2000. So the death of cinema is both the death of a century of art, but
also the death of a millennium, there were a lot of things going on, Y2K,
and so on. There was a general anxiety within which the death of cinema was
lamented. I did a thing for *Film Criticism*, where I said that the people
who talk about the death of cinema, such as Susan Sontag, what they really
mean is the death of a certain kind of cinema that was dear to them, a kind
of content, European or Asian art film, and a particular mode of
exhibition, watching films theatrically. I’m never much of a
prognosticator, but moving image culture is *not* going away. That’s
definitely clear: there will always be ways for people to consume moving
images. But even within Sontag’s terms, I’m not sure art cinema will go
away. It may mutate. It may find it needs different kinds of platforms. A
lot of things that may have gone to an IFC or a Film Forum are now going to
Netflix and other streaming sites. And clearly, even theatrical exhibition
is not going away. The idea that people aren’t going to the movies any
more, and that the movies are just the thing that gets the train of other
release forms going is not completely true. There are movies that are still
very big as theatrical events. I don’t think any of that is going away. But
I suppose that a lot of what goes on in the discourse, cycling back to
notions of crisis and death, is that it enables the discourse to keep going.
 
*DF: That’s quite a paradox.*
 
DP: Yes, except there’s a difference between film studies and film. They
don’t necessarily have to coincide. There are fields that study dead forms.
I once spoke to the chair of Slavic at Yale, a scholar of mediaeval Russian
literature, and he said, “I happen to be the last scholar of mediaeval
Russian in the US. I’m in my early sixties, and two things will happen
soon, either I retire or I die. And when that happens that sub-discipline
ends. No one’s doing it.”
 
*DF: It’s like when someone who’s the last speaker of a language dies.*
 
DP: Exactly. So an object of study can disappear. Film discourse could stop
even if moving image culture continued. But it’s not going to happen that
film studies will disappear. And one of the things discourse does is
generate crises so you can keep going. The humanities seems particularly
good at that. I just read a manuscript that’s about the crisis in the
humanities, and the very act of talking about the crisis in the humanities
allows you to then generate the next text. I’m presently giving a course on
Howard Hawks, and this generation of ever new texts to keep a discourse
going is sort of similar to how criticism on Hawks unfolded. You have the
first pioneering text, and then someone writes a critique of it or an
extension of it, then it becomes historical, so someone writes a summary of
the debates. And the essay doing the summarising will become something
someone else comments on. So there’s an auto-generating of discourse. And
virtually every essay will then begin with “*Cahiers du cinéma* first
discovered Hawks, then Robin Woods said this, then Peter Wollen did this.”
So the very fact that the discourse multiplies generates the multiplication.
[image: Dana Polan interview]
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*Sergeant York* (Howard Hawks, 1941)
 
*DF: It sounds a little like Mediaeval monks re-transcribing religious
manuscripts.*
 
DP: To tell the truth, I find Laura Mulvey astoundingly important, but I no
longer care to read the tenth essay that’s post-Mulvey. After a while
there’s not a lot left to say, except to summarise everybody else, and then
add a slight inflection. And, maybe this brings us back to film studies:
one inflection that people add, instead of a new meta-discourse, is a new
case study, so applying an idea somewhere that it hasn’t worked before. So
you can have: there was Mulvey, there was Williams, there was Doane, but
none of them are applicable to women’s cinema of recent years (which is
kind of an easy gesture), and here’s how cinema today escapes the models
they set up. It occurs to me that using case studies is sometimes a way of
continuing the discourse while pretending you’re doing something different.
So a lot of case studies are driven by an exceptionalism: here’s the thing
that doesn’t fit the endless train of the discourse. But it just adds to
the discourse, and causes it to auto-generate. This goes to the question of
the future of film studies. Disciplines, when they get going, do have a
self-maintaining quality. The study of film does not just disappear. When
things are institutionalised, they keep going, unless they get cut or
mutate. But once they get going they have a momentum that’s hard to stop.
 
*DF: Is that institutional or discursive?*
 
DP: I think it’s both. I’m not sure I would make a distinction, because in
the humanities in particular, the role of the institution is to facilitate
the generation of the discursive. I think all of this has its good side,
too. But publish or perish, or tenure tied to publishing, leads the
university to have quantitative demands before any discussion of content or
quality: a book of a certain length, or a number of articles, and that is
the baseline for continuing on in the profession. It automatically impels
the generation of discourse. I believe in tenure, but it forces everybody
towards the quantification of scholarship.
 
*DF: It also creates an inflation of scholarship. It’s impossible now to
have an image of the field as a whole, because there’s simply too much. *
 
DP: Yeah. I read a lot, but th
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