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Abba Gumel:

Yes, there are ethnic supremacists galore in these our discussions, who want to put other groups down and build their own up, using numbers and named individuals.   I put Obi Nwakanma, the Forrest Gump of Nigeria's history (who happens to be EVERYWHERE that Nigeria's history is being made)  as a prime example (Nebukadineze is another), hence his naming an "Igbo Education professor" as the originator of Nomadic education.  Is the fellow an "Igbo Education" professor, or an Education Professor who happens to be Igbo?  Or when did "Prof. Chima" become a Yoruba fellow with a name like Chima - so why highlight his Igboness, except for the supermenschen attitude that he always exhibits when it comes to things Igbo?  If it is to highlight possible cooperation between North and South as he put it, NO OTHER person worked with Chima - no single OTHER Igbo or non-Igbo, non-Northerner?

It is ridiculous, and it is that attitude of ethnic triumphalism that makes people to pull punches, and not address a central thesis of Northern education deprivation that is correct....

Moving on....

Yes, his main thesis remains the same:  the North is in trouble, economically, socially, politically - and academically, which is the main discussion point here.

You ask for proof of the academic problem, and I will attempt it, NOT to make the North feel inferior or the make the South feel superior.  The data is sordid throughout for the country, just much more sordid in the North, and the quicker the scale of problem is known and acknowledged, the better it is for everybody, since we are yet one country.  Northern elites like yourself, more so university Northern elite like yourself have a special responsibility to do something, and finally Muslim university Northern elite like yourself bear the greatest responsibility.

First some short-hand information:

   School age: 6-11
   Lower Secondary school age: 12-14
   Higher Secondary school age: 15-17


Next, is this school attendance information of Nigeria:




There is this troubling information of Nigeria's out of school population: 8.7 million, more than 40% of Sub-Sahara Africa:








If we now drill down inside Nigeria as to what contributes to  this and why this is so, we begin to see patterns.  Even though enrollment may be LARGER in some Northern states than Southern states, the percentage enrollment is SMALLER, and completion/transition rates even SMALLER yet.  Gender problems also become highlighted.









The situation becomes worse in the Secondary School level, with completion and transition to higher levels being problematic:







Finally, to show that this North-South imbalance is historical, and not necessarily changing for the better as years wear on, I present these fairly dated tables (the paper was presented in 2002 by one Professor Okoblah):


Primary school disparity:




Secondary School disparity:




University Undergraduate enrollment disparity:



Finally, we look at some historical JAMB enrollment and new university entrants figures:






The above more precise information supplements the table that I gave a few days ago, when I challenged you, Abba, in order for anybody to ESTIMATE this mis-alignment between our census and education enrolment figures around our dear country Nigeria, IF the CIA's age distribution for Nigeria is to be believed, viz:

QUOTE


0-14 years: 43.2% (male 39,151,304/female 37,353,737)
15-24 years: 19.3% (male 17,486,117/female 16,732,533)
25-54 years: 30.5% (male 27,697,644/female 26,285,816)
55-64 years: 3.9% (male 3,393,631/female 3,571,301)
65 years and over: 3% (male 2,621,845/female 2,861,826) (2014 est.)

UNQUOTE

Then for our 2014 population estimate of 177 million, here is the age distribution, and school entry exit estimates:


Age Distribution of Nigerian Citizens (Hand-Waving from CIA's Age Distribution)

Age of citizen

Male

Female

Cumulative

Remark

 

 

1

         2,796,522

         2,668,124

             5,464,646

 

 

 

2

         2,796,522

         2,668,124

          10,929,292

 

 

 

3

         2,796,522

         2,668,124

          16,393,937

 

 

 

4

         2,796,522

         2,668,124

          21,858,583

 

 

 

5

         2,796,522

         2,668,124

          27,323,229

Starting Primary School

 

 

6

         2,796,522

         2,668,124

          32,787,875

Starting Primary School

 

 

7

         2,796,522

         2,668,124

          38,252,521

Starting Primary School

 

 

8

         2,796,522

         2,668,124

          43,717,166

Starting Primary School

 

 

9

         2,796,522

         2,668,124

          49,181,812

Starting Primary School

 

 

10

         2,796,522

         2,668,124

          54,646,458

Leaving Primary School

 

 

11

         2,796,522

         2,668,124

          60,111,104

Leaving Primary School

 

 

12

         2,796,522

         2,668,124

          65,575,749

Leaving Primary School

 

 

13

         2,796,522

         2,668,124

          71,040,395

Leaving Primary School

 

 

14

         2,796,522

         2,668,124

          76,505,041

Leaving Primary School

 

 

15

         1,748,612

         1,673,253

          79,926,906

Leaving Primary School

 

 

16

         1,748,612

         1,673,253

          83,348,771

Leaving Secondary School

 

 

17

         1,748,612

         1,673,253

          86,770,636

Leaving Secondary School

 

 

18

         1,748,612

         1,673,253

          90,192,501

Leaving Secondary School

 

 

19

         1,748,612

         1,673,253

          93,614,366

Leaving Secondary School

 

 

20

         1,748,612

         1,673,253

          97,036,231

Leaving Secondary School

 

 

21

         1,748,612

         1,673,253

        100,458,096

Leaving University

 

 

22

         1,748,612

         1,673,253

        103,879,961

Leaving University

 

 

23

         1,748,612

         1,673,253

        107,301,826

Leaving University

 

 

24

         1,748,612

         1,673,253

        110,723,691

Leaving University

 

 

25

             923,255

             876,194

        112,523,140

Leaving University

 

 

26

             923,255

             876,194

        114,322,588

Leaving University

 

 

27

             923,255

             876,194

        116,122,037

Leaving University

 

 

28

             923,255

             876,194

        117,921,486

Leaving University

 

 

29-54

       24,004,625

       22,781,041

        164,707,151

 

 

 

55-64

3,393,631

3,571,301

        171,672,083

 

 

 

65 and over

2,621,845

2,861,826

        177,155,754

 

 

 



So anyone, including Abba, can:

  (1)  choose a state, say Jigawa  (2006 census: 4361002 out of 140,431,790  or 3.1%), and get the proportion of people relative to the entire population.

  (2)  actuarially, and without further data, that proportion can be used THROUGHOUT the age groups above.  For example, Jigawa should have roughly 54,000 males and 52,000 females leaving secondary school at age 18.  [Is that what we have in your state Abba, and if not, do you know where (y)our children are?]

 (3)  And so on.......

Please note that school entry and exit numbers can also be used to test the integrity of census data.....there could have been inflation or deflation as the case may be.

Abba, it is these data that we should discuss honestly and sincerely, as we plot our way forward to solving the problem; not just the North
but the South of Nigeria too, because the data is not all rosy there.

Internationally, and according to  a  paper, jointly released by  the Education for All Global  Monitoring Report (GMR) and  the UNESCO Institute for 
Statistics (UIS), a number of success stories have been recorded through:

* Fee abolition or reduction, because this is indeed a barrier to many.  But government must be prepared to supplement, because resources must be made available to the schools for the loss of fes.

* Increasing education expenditure, and spending less on beuraucracy allowances, conspicuous consumption and military

* Social cash transfers. - Some parents need to be incentivized/paid to keep the children in school (unfortunately this has been happening in the North for quite some time)

* Increasing attention to ethnic and linguistic minorities - or in the case of Nigeria, gender "minorities": girl child education

*  Overcoming conflict.  eg Boko Haram and other community conflicts

* Improving Quality of instruction (teachers and tools) and infrastructure (classrooms and laboratories and recreational/living facilities)


And there you have it.  I am done on this for now.



Bolaji Aluko







On Mon, Sep 29, 2014 at 6:03 AM, Rex Marinus <rexma...@hotmail.com> wrote:
Abba, thanks for the correction. But I actually know the difference between "incidents" and "incidence," and I assure you it was the devil:) I will say the following very quickly, and I'd thereafter hold my peace:
a) Kano has been a major distribution point for the international drug trade. Maybe you should contact the NDLEA and get the full picture. But for now here is a link to an Al-Jazeera story that is just a tip of the iceberg. http://www.aljazeera.com/indepth/features/2013/12/drugs-poverty-blights-northern-nigeria-201312984336715637.html
 
b) Every year JAMB releases the stats of applicants for admissions into Nigerian  Universities. Here for instance is the JAMB data for 2012:
 
1,503,931 candidates wrote the 2012 UTME
States With The Most JAMB Applicants
123,865 applications came from Imo State
88,876 from Delta
84,204 from Anambra
73,935 from Osun
71,272 from Oyo
71,173 from Ogun
States With The Lowest JAMB Applicants
FCT had the lowest applications with 3,380
Followed by Sokoto with 5,664
Zamfara had 5,713
Yobe had 6,389
Kebbi had 7,364
Jigawa had 11,529
Universities With The Most Jamb Applicants
University of Lagos had 83,865 JAMB Applicants
Nnamdi Azikiwe, Akwa had 82,148
Uniben had 80,048
UNN had 79,398
Unilorin had76,276
OAU had 64,702
ABU had 56,708
Uniport had 48,439
UniUyo had 44,397
IMSU had 43,353
UI had 40,011
 
The numbers are self-evident. The kids in these federal Universities in Maidugri, Sokoto, Kano, Zaria, Jos, Bauchi, etc. are mostly not kids from the North.
 
c) I mentioned Chima's ethnicity to emphasize the possibility of fruitful collaboration North and South. By the way, Chima was Dean of Education at the University of Jos back in the 80s, and the idea of Nomadic Education was the central part of his Phd Research/ work in the late '60s/70s. It was Chima who sold the idea to Jubril Aminu as Minister of Education, and this was roundabout 1986 based on experimental work that he had done himself and published. It was also on account of this that he was appointed to be the first Chair of the Nomadic Education project. And I was there in Jos when all these were happening. So, I think you should pay proper tribute to the man's work.
 
d) I do not doubt that kids from affluent homes in the North have access to great, quality education. Sometimes, some are sent abroad for this. I think however that you overlook a clear pattern. A great number of kids from the South are equally privately educated in great academies abroad. For me, those are addendum. Abba, this is not about engaging in any polemics, and I think you make a fundamental mistake: that you grew up in Kano does not give you absolute knowledge of the North of Nigeria - that vast terrain of subtle and overt differences. You simply presume. In any case, you are intent on proving the point that education in the north is at par with the South. Go with it, if it makes you happy. But these numbers ain't lying bro.
Obi Nwakanma
 
 

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Subject: Re: [Raayiriga] Re: [NIgerianWorldForum] RE: ||ABBA|| 13 Northern states and WAEC results....

 
Obi,

See mine interspersed in yours:

On 28 September 2014 18:31, Rex Marinus rexma...@hotmail.com [NIgerianWorldForum] <NIgerianW...@yahoogroups.com> wrote:
 


Abba,
Kano and Kaduna were the epicenters of the drug trade and have remained so since the 1960s.


This is blatantly false.   How on earth is this remotely feasible?  What drug?  I grew up in Kano....and never ever heard of such an outrageous statement.  Prove to me that Kano (or even Kaduna) was ever an ``epicentre" for drug trade.  Who did Kanorians trade the drug to, and what drug?

 
As for 419, there is a reason: you have to compose a letter first:)

Meaning?  
 
But that is not to say that the North is lacking in high incidents of fraud.

Prove that it is.  Give data to show that Northerners are engaged in ``high incidents" (sic) of 419 activities.  If there indeed is high incidence (not incidents) of 419 activities in the North (perpetuated by Northerners), you should have no problem finding data to support such an assertion....and I know you can't, because there ain't.

 
It is as human an environment as the rest of Nigeria, and the people are shaped by the same economic forces. 

True; but the fact remains almost every case of 419 activity reported by EFCC or any other local or international law enforcement agencies involve Nigerians from South of the Niger.  This is not something to argue about...everyone knows this.

 
The North is as a much a pit of amorality as the rest of Nigeria.

We are not talking morality or lack thereof.   We are talking 419.  Plain old 419.  Let's keep to the issue at hand.
 
 
Many years ago, an Igbo Education Professor at the University of Jos, the late Professor Chima, devised the strategy of Normadic Education, and pushed the federal ministry of education the under Dr. Jubril Aminu, to buy-in to it


The above sounds incorrect.  Chima may have participated in the discussion on nomadic education, but Jubril Aminu
(been a Fulla himself) has always been advocating for nomadic education...even during his days as VC at Unimaid.  The idea behind the nomadic education program involved a large number of Nigerians...and not just Chima.  You may wish to read the articles in the links below, as well as the NCNE Act (National Council on Nomadic Education) of 1989.



Furthermore, it is rather surprising why you think it is important to state Chima's ethnicity.  In any case, it seems factually incorrect to say that someone else (Chima) gave the idea to Jubril Aminu...you may wish to check with Jubril Aminu directly on this.


 
and eventually made it part of the educational policy to provide education, particularly to the pastoralists of the North - the Fula - whose lifestyle made sedentary learning difficult.

As I stated above, the 1989 NCNE Act was a product of the stewardship of a large number of Nigerians...and not just one person as you seem to be alluding to.

 
You may not be a product of that education, but there is nothing wrong with it.

I am partly Fulani myself...and was a strong advocate for the nomadic education system when IBB introduced it in 1990 or thereabout.  I don't know what you are getting at here.  Some members of my extended family actually benefited from the system (my own late grandma was a nomadic Fulani cattle-rearer...and I helped in the cattle-rearing business whenever I visited her; in fact, I learned countless valuable life lessons during the time I spent as a shepherd).  I learned many of the Fulani enviable characteristics of patience, excellence, perseverance, absolute loyalty, brotherhood, fearlessness, honour, integrity, vision, awareness (anticipating crisis and position onself to deal with them when they arise or try to avert them before they occur), compassion, teamwork, magnanimity, simplicity, a little Ijebuism (hehehhehhe) and suitably unforgiving (the Fulla always say the last word....you are best advised not to cross a Fulla; he/she will strike when you least expect it).

 
There is actually nothing wrong with cattle herding or cattle rearing as an economic venture.

Did I ever say there was?  I was teasing some of my friends (particularly Bolaji and many others who were on Naijanet during the 1990s) who tagged me as ``cattle-rearer".....they did not know I considered the tag as a badge of honour.  Now I am using it against them....reminding them that the same old cattle-rearer still dey kampe (and is using his cattle-rearing skills to ``bamboozle" them whenever he needs to-:))).

 
What is however crucial, and this is where your denial feels like pointless defensiveness is that WAEC data is a good indication of school enrollment nationwide.

Not true.  Every school I go to in the North, in the last few years, is almost always full to capacity.  There are numerous reasons where kids who finished secondary schools do not write the WAEC exam (economics may be one of them).  Further, some rich parents (or rich States)may opt to send their kids to study abroad (so, some of these kids may opt to write other/international exams).  Kano State is one of few States in the whole nation that has made education free at all levels....so, there is no reason for students from Kano not to write these exams.  In any case, like I keep saying,  the integrity of the exam system has been compromised, and it is time for the system to be overhauled.  

 
The facts are rather stark: university matriculation data and WAEC data clearly indicate that the north of Nigeria as a whole does not present up to 9% of the total national average for WAEC or University Matriculation Exam.

Two issues.  First see the point I raised above.  Second, go to any university in the North, and you will have real difficulty finding a slot.  It is ludicrous for anyone to say or imply that Northerners do not go to universities (particularly in the North).  A point that can be made...in both the North and the South...is that there aren't enough spaces for our kids to acquire varsity education.  I have always said we need, on average, a university per 500,000 people (on this issue, Okojie of NUC and I agreed; he and I have discussed this thing many times).
 
This is dangerous and has long term implication for the economic and social development of the region in particular but also for Nigeria in general.

Nothing is dangerous.  You are drawing conclusion based on a fundamentally flawed premise...hence, your conclusion is false.  Prove (by giving an incontrovertible evidence) that there is low enrolment in schools in the North, then we can talk.  I am an educator.  I am from the North, and have travelled widely in the region.  You, presumably from the South, cannot tell me anything about my own region.  I know that enrolment is not the problem....there are tons of kids in schools.  The issue is there aren't many spaces in varsities.
 
 
I see you politicking and blaming it all the failed policies of the current President.

Yes.  This President and all other PDP Presidents before him (albeit Obasanjo did deserve a few kudos on his attempt to revamo education, by allowing Ezekwesiili....perhaps the finest education minister we have had in decades in my view....to conduct and begin to implement a reasonably good ``Education Reform"). 
 
But I'm afraid, and while I agree that the current administration has not shown any radical changes in education policies or programs, the situation in the North preceded Jonathan.

What is ``the situation in the North"?  There is  ``situation" in ALL parts of Nigeria...the situation being that the education system has collapsed, and that whatever product it spits out is fundamentally suspect (how many graduates you know who can write a decent essay in the English language?)  The sooner we realize this basic fact...and do the right thing (revamp the system)....the better for us all as a nation.  You, from the South, made it as though the education system in the South is any better.  It is utter rubbish there too.  I have been dealing with the product of the education system across the nation for over a decade.  I speak from experience.  I know that, in general, our graduates are essentially at the level of second year students at serious universities.  This is what we must tackle...and tackle very quickly.  And I do believe the APC Coalition is our best  bet to change things for the better vis-a-vis the provision of quality education.  The PDP has had its chance...for 15 agonizing years...and did next to nothing (other than presiding over the corpse of the education system as we know it).  Need I say more?


 
You must also take a data of the number of Nigerian students enrolled in University, and that pattern mirrors in some part, the trend locally in Nigeria.

Not sure I understand what you are tryng to say here.  Did you go to any of the Northern varsities lately?  You guys like to dabble in things you know not.  Ask the Registrar of any University North of the Niger and see if he/she will complain about lack of enrolment.  I honestly do not understand you guys.  We, from the North, aren't arrogant enough to be dabbling into what we perceive as your own messes?  Why would you not return the favor?  Why the obsession with the North?  Do you, from the South, have any moral authority to lecture any region on quality education?  Do you still, in this 21st century, feel you (from the South) are educationally superior?  Well, you can kid yourself.  Just take a good look at the few Northerners on these listserves...and compare their quality with those of the many empty bottles from the North.  Then you would know what I am talking about.  
 
So, Abba, the solution is not in being defensive. We must all, as people concerned with both the development of nation and the wellbeing of its citizens begin to seek radical ways of ending the situation in the North, so that we can bridge the gap very quickly.

I am never ``defensive" on any issue.  I am swayed/driven by quality arguments based on facts.  You have not presented one...at least not yet.
You guys can continue to delude yourselves that a ``gap" exists.  I have not seen that ``gap" based on my own interaction with students across the country...the quality is awful across the board (I gave an exam to a group of 30 or so most-talented math graduates in Abuja...and only two managed to get a C+....this was an exam I would give 3rd year students where I work).  What are you guys talking about?
 
A well educated North will be a great thing for Nigeria. 

What makes you think the North isn't ``well educated"?  So, the South is ``well educated"?  You make me laugh no be small.

 
A sea change is what we need, not pointless defensiveness. Northern intellectuals like you must sit down with your Southern colleagues and look at this matter squarely in the face.

Well, first we must agree on the ``problem".  I see the problem as one that is prevalent across every nook-and-corner of the nation.  You adopt a holier-than-thou attitude in thinking that your region is doing ``better" than the other region.  Further, I am not a ``Northern intellectual".  In fact, I am not anything....just a regular Joe running around minding his own business.  You, from the South, have taken it upon yourself to determine who is, or who isn't, anything....I must say that the arrogance of our Southern brethren (many of whom are empty bottles....google their name, and you see next to nothing) is unbelievable.

 
The North is Nigeria's weak link, and drags us all behind.

This is the most amusing part...not because it is utter rubbish, but because it is amazingly amusing.

 
I say this, not as an indictment, but as a plea to truth and to action. And the first place to start is to criminalize the Almajiri system.

Hahahhahahhaha.  Thanks for the awuf entertainment.  I am laffing taya.

Abba
 
Obi Nwakanma
 
 

 

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Date: Sun, 28 Sep 2014 17:53:52 -0500
Subject: Re: [Raayiriga] Re: [NIgerianWorldForum] RE: ||ABBA|| 13 Northern states and WAEC results....

 

Read the article below (

Stings, Busts, Arrests and Convictions of Nigerian Scammers:http://www.crimes-of-persuasion.com/Nigerian/nigerian_busts.htm)

While you are at it, also read:






It is a hard sell to find a bonafide Northerner involved in such deplorable activities...I can go one step further to say I have never heard of a case of a Northerner (particularly the Hausa/fulanis I know so well) engaged in such scams.

Abba


On 28 September 2014 16:55, Yeye Rolling yeyer...@yahoo.com [NIgerianWorldForum] <NIgerianW...@yahoogroups.com> wrote:
 


Aba:

What data suggests South has more 419 than North?.   Or for that matter suggests there are more incidence of exam malpractice in the South.   Please point me to the study...      Name one or two reference.  If you can't , you are lying....   Aba, by the way  Arizona will soon educate you on values of citations...    You will soon find out that you can't  get away with wild speculations





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Date:Sun, Sep 28, 2014 at 1:41 PM
Subject:Re: [Raayiriga] Re: [NIgerianWorldForum] RE: ||ABBA|| 13 Northern states and WAEC results....

 

My friend Joe the Pastor,

We have made great progress.  It goes no better than this...a Pastor from Ajegunle applauding the argument of a Mallam from Lugbe.
Good to see....indeed, there is hope for Naija and its pupils (as ZB would probably say).

Okay, back to the substance of the debate.  My brother, Bala, addressed other aspects of the same argument (and most of what he stated are valid). My central argument is on the enrolment question...and I challenge you or anyone else to prove that Northerners do not send their kids (particularly girls) to school.  Further, the exams are surely compromised...and I doubt if anyone (including your buddies in Ajegunle motor park) would dispute this.  I do not know if the South has more accountants per capita....if that's indeed the case, one can think of many reasons to attribute to this ``accountant galore" in Naija's South (perhaps folks from the South seem to like counting money more than counting yam tubers etc.).  I assume the North has more experts in Agricultural sciences than the South...if this is the case, does this, in anyway, suggest low enrolment numbers in the South?  Surely not.  The North has far more cattle-rearers....and I am one of them (as Oga Bolaji...who coined and bestowed the honour on me in the mid 1990s...can attest to)...than the South.  Does this, in any way, suggest low enrolment numbers in the South?  Data suggests that the South has more 419ners per capita.  Does this suggest low enrolment in the North ?   I don't think so.  The list is endless...and in both directions.  

Furthermore, passing certain international exams (taken in Nigeria) is not always free of these irregularities (issues of authentication/verifaction etc. remain a challenge).  Just very recently TOEFL had to close down its operations in Nigeria (and direct those wishing to write the exams to go to neighbouring countries...Ghana...instead; some students I accepted for grad program were told to do this) for reasons that are obvious...thankfully, I understand they have now re-opened their operations in Nigeria.  

My view is that the aforementioned are not necesarily good barometers for measuring the supposed disparity in enrolment figures.  Again, the point is not enrolment (the schools in towns and cities across the country are almost always full to capacity...and I challenge anyone to prove me wrong on this).  The problem is that the education system (including the examining system) has essentially collapsed, and must be completely overhauled. And this is what I will strongly advocate for if we, within the APC, got the mandate of the great Nigerian voters to form the next federal government....and we will welcome you if you repent for your cardinal ``sins" of supporting the good-for-nothing, incompetent and mediocre PDP government in Abuja-:))).


Abba





Abba

On 28 September 2014 11:05, Joe Attueyi topc...@yahoo.com [Raayiriga] <Raay...@yahoogroups.com> wrote:
 

Abba
You may want to read the following from Aliyu Bala Aliyu. I couldn't state it better

Joe


Subject: Re: [talkhard] Re: [NIgerianWorldForum] RE: ||ABBA|| 13 Northern states and WAEC results....

Dear Prof Abba, Bawadanko et al,

I'm afraid I do not share your views on this matter. It is a rather sad commentary on the state of affairs of the country in general and of double jeopardy for the North that our education is still at the level it is today in 2014 CE! Let the truth be told, the North is in trouble in terms of education and capacity. And it is a tragedy that we are playing ostrich with the crises. For how long will this last? The appalling statistics are but symptoms of a deeper disaster which in my opinion borders on the psychology, orientation and the general attitude of northerners (both her people and her policy makers) towards education as opposed to the inability of northerners to compete favourably with their peers from the south.

The tragic reality

I have heard over the years the allegations of conspiracies that have enabled the dominance of South Westerners in such fields as Accounting, Banking, and Law. Added to this conspiracy theory is the ubiquity of Professors among South Westerners. The spoken and unspoken word is that they pass themselves / assist themselves; and that is why they have the highest number of Accountants, Professors, Lawyers and SANs! But if ICAN and ANAN for example are compromised, is the international ACCA equally compromised? Are Northerners the ones setting outstanding records with their excellent scores there?

The unending questions

Is the compromise of WAEC a conspiracy to keep the North perpetually in the back seat of education in Nigeria? If yes, are there no Northerners working in WAEC? If no, why not? Do they not see these things? Do their state Governors and commissioners of education as well as the educational policy makers cum strategists not consult them? Do NECO’s results show any remarkable difference in the performance of these 13 northern states under review and by extension the entire 19 Northern states in the last one decade? How about JAMB? Does the conspiracy too involve JAMB? NABTEB too? Post UTME? Is it then a conspiracy at all levels? How about common entrance exams?

The National COWBELL competition is a private sector initiative, and for the number of years it has been running, I make bold to ask: “how many Northerner kids have distinguished themselves in the competition?” Is that competition equally compromised? Shall we subject the results of that competition for the last 10yrs to an independent panel of international examiners to vet? Would the results be really different?

What has stopped the 19 Northern states’ governors from organizing a regional educational sports olympiad among her primary and secondary school students? What is preventing the regions’ money bags from driving such initiative?

Despite the failed educational system, some people are still passing these WAEC and NECO exams. And if we allege that these exams are flawed /compromised, we can randomly check the academic progress of say the top 1,000, middle 1,000 and bottom 1,000 students per year who took WAEC and NECO exams in the last 10 and 20yrs respectively. How have they fared in University, Polytechnic or Colleges of Education? If we keep peddling the “they cheat in southern schools” line, are we saying no cheating takes place in Northern schools?

What have all the education ministers from the North over the years done exceptionally? What are those out of the box ideas they have brought to the table to advance education in Nigeria in general and in the North in particular? What did Prof Ruqayya Rufai (the first female education minister from the North) for girl-child education in particular and education in general? I am curious.

Then the Girl child education

Where are the graphs, charts and general stats concerning girl-child education in the North? Has there been more girl-child school enrolment over the years? What is the limit of this education? Is it primary, secondary or tertiary? And what is the general quality of the education received? What are the impediments to the attainment of education of the Northern girl child?


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On Sep 28, 2014, at 4:47 PM, "Abba abba...@gmail.com [NIgerianWorldForum]" <NIgerianW...@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

 

My good friend Emeka,

I do not change on issues to do with principles and/or defence of what I know to be the truth.  It is wrong for anyone to say there is enrollment issue in the North...my challenge for anyone to disprove me on this remains an open challenge (you may wish to try).

Furthermore, do you really not agree with me that the exam system has been (for lack of better terminology) highly corrupted and compromised?  I think majority of our people here on the web, and within the nation, agree that the integrity of the exam system is compromised....and I went one step further to say that I would recommend its desolution (and be replaced by an internationally-accepted system; why are some people worried about setting international standards?  The same standards some choose for their own children?)
Our people sometime amuse me.  If the kids who tend to almsot always do ``better" in our exams are actually worthy of what WAEC says they receive, then surely they (or their schools/states/region etc.) have nothing  to fear if we ask them to write an equivalent cheating-free internationally-accepted exam.  


Abba

On 28 September 2014 03:00, Chukwuemeka Okala reu...@yahoo.co.uk [NIgerianWorldForum] <NIgerianW...@yahoogroups.com> wrote:
 

"....the exam system is highly compromised, and I shall be urging (strongly) our in-coming APC government to abolish the existing system."  -  Abba

 "The education or exam system you are denigrating is taken in other West African States where there are large Muslim population that have no problem outperforming non-Muslim regions in terms of educational enrolment and attainment – Ghana is a classic example. I rather would have you articulating how we can raise awareness about the benefits of education that may ultimately result in increased educational enrolment and attainment in the region [of North]  -  OJ

Comment:
My good friend Abba,
I'm very surprised at your unusual style of argument on this occasion. How could you put all the blame, roundly and squarely on the system, to the extent of even thinking about how to bring the sledge hammer on it (system) given a chance, without turning your searchlight one bit to what is happening in the North vis-a-vis poor enrollment in western system of education and embarrassing poor performance in WAEC examinations? Honestly, this is quite unlike you. Amazing!

I verily agree with OJ's view as excerpted above. Perhaps you may want to digest the concept of his putdown to be able to come up with an acceptable strategy that could benefit the system, the northern region and the nation-state as a whole in the long run.

Have a good day my dear friend and greet everyone in the family.

Emeka Reuben Okala
London, UK 
  • "Faith [Religion] and reason are not necessarily opposed. But when reason won't take you another step, faith keeps on going because it connects you to God." 


 
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On Sunday, 28 September 2014, 8:02, "Abba abba...@gmail.com [NIgerianWorldForum]" <NIgerianW...@yahoogroups.com> wrote:


 
My friend John,

I knew you had no iota of evidence to justify your claim...that's why you came back with your koroso-type dance around the issue.  Hehehehhhehe.

Just out of curiosity, what does the word ``amjaree"? mean?  Is it a word in your language?  It ain't in any of mine...and I sabi language boku wo-:))).  Chei, na war for una wo.  Why do you guys like to dabble in things you know not.  Some of you South of the Niger seem to be too obsessed with the North...and yet you have lazily not taken the trouble to learn even the ABCs of the North and its humongously-diverse people and cultures.  That's why you keep providing us awuf entertainment with your total ignorance (of the North and its dynamcs) and non-stop acrabadabara.  We thank you no be small wo.  When we do form the next government, I promise to make you the Chief Meguard at the soon-to-be-modernized Ajegunle Primary School (I assume you would be able to pass the international standard aptitude test we shall demand all those vying for the Meguard job must take)-:))).

Abba


On 27 September 2014 23:54, John Ebohon ebo...@dmu.ac.uk [NIgerianWorldForum] <NIgerianW...@yahoogroups.com> wrote:
 
My friend Abba,
 
I asked you one who institutionalised the School of Basic Studies in Nigeria and what was the purpose where was it predominate? It is convenient for you to denigrate the exam system, and the South as a whole. Where is Nigeria do teachers boldly write exam answers for students to copy? You are the one calling for evidence, and what evidence have you prove that exam malpractices in the South is any more pronounced than in the North? We have a situation where children are born and sent away from home very early on to become ‘Amjaree’, who is going to preside over the education of such a child. My own personal opinion is that for educational enrolment in the North to improve, for the Hausas, Kanuris, and other ethnic groups have to be de-enslaved from their minority Fulani masters who have subjugated and put a lid on their progress. The feudal system and practices that exist in the North must be crushed, otherwise, we are wasting our time. As I said, this is my personal opinion.
OJ
    
 
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Subject: Re: [NIgerianWorldForum] RE: ||ABBA|| 13 Northern states and WAEC results....
 


My friend John,
 
You said, inter alia, ``it is a well known fact that in this part of Nigeria, school enrolment is abysmally low".
 
And I say prove it.
 
You guys amaze and amuse me.  You manufacture a claim (often extremely outrageous), and somehow expect us to take it hook, line and sinker (with no iota of evidence).  The claim of low enrolment in the North is utter false...and I challenge you or anyone else to prove me wrong.  The real issue is that of the failed education and examining system across the country.... kids from the South tend to do ``better" in these exams because exam malpractices are far more rampant in the South than in the North (although it, sadly, seems the North is catching up in this deplorable practice as well)....the exam system is highly compromised, and I shall be urging (strongly) our in-coming APC government to abolish the existing system.
 
Abba
 
 
 
On 27 September 2014 13:57, John Ebohon ebo...@dmu.ac.uk [NIgerianWorldForum] <NIgerianW...@yahoogroups.com> wrote:
 
Abba,
 
For how long can you continue to live in denial? It is a known fact that in this part of Nigeria, school enrolment is abysmally low - it is an undeniable fact. The education or exam system you are denigrating is taken in other West African States where there are large Muslim population that have no problem outperforming non-Muslim regions in terms of educational enrolment and attainment – Ghana is a classic example. I rather would have you articulating how we can raise awareness about the benefits of education that may ultimately result in increased educational enrolment and attainment in the region.
OJ
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Subject: Re: [NIgerianWorldForum] RE: ||ABBA|| 13 Northern states and WAEC results....
 
 
My friend Joe the Pastor,
 
Any data that says kids in the North (except, perhaps in very remote places...which is also the case in the South) do not enrol in schools is utter garbage...it is no worth the paper it is written on.  You were in Gusau and Sokoto lately.  Did you see any school that is not to full capacity?  Just one.   The central thesis of your (and Bolaji's) argument is fundamentally flawed (i.e., there are low enrolment numbers in Northern schools), hence the conclusions you draw based on these flawed premises are equally flawed.
 
Again, the issue is not enrolment.   It is the quality of the whole education system itself and the integrity of the exam system.  
 
Abba
 
On 26 September 2014 02:32, Joe Attueyi topc...@yahoo.com [NIgerianWorldForum] <NIgerianW...@yahoogroups.com> wrote:
 
Abba my fellow Ajegunle resident:
On a serious note the Northern elites have to address the issue of ACCESS to western education to the Northern poor. Unless that problem is resolved BH or another incarnate will always have a ready pool of uneducated idle young hands available for recruitment 
 
The North's school enrolment does NOT align with its census figures. You have to get the kids in school first before they can write London GCSE!
 
There should be a Marshall plan for education in Nigeria that makes it compulsory and free for all children under 16 to be in school. Fuel 'subsidy' can fund this plan
 
Joe

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On Sep 26, 2014, at 5:45 AM, "Abba abba...@gmail.com [NIgerianWorldForum]" <NIgerianW...@yahoogroups.com> wrote:
 
My friend John,
 
I am working on that too-:))).  Hehehehehehe.
 
Abba
 
On 25 September 2014 11:53, John Ebohon ebo...@dmu.ac.uk [NIgerianWorldForum] <NIgerianW...@yahoogroups.com> wrote:
 
On the WAEC result thing, I pay little or no attention to the whole system...the exams are almost always compromised; the so-called States that tend to do ``well" do so for reasons that have always been obvious.  If we come to office next year, I will suggest to the President to abolish WAEC and replace it with a standardized international exam (such as London GCE). “ Abba
 
Abba, why stop here – what about recolonization?
OJ
 
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Subject: Re: [NIgerianWorldForum] RE: ||ABBA|| 13 Northern states and WAEC results....
 
 
My friend Colly,
 
Thank you for elevating me to the exalted title of the ``defence secretary" of the mighty North region-:))).
Next time you land at the Nnamdi Azikiwe International Airport in Abuja, I shall ask my boys at the airport to ``show that I, indeed, reign supreme"-:))))...and that SLS (as he then was) is now our most-beloved Emir of Kano.   I am sure the last bit of the last sentence would make your blood boil....na bad belle dey worry una-:))).
 
On the WAEC result thing, I pay little or no attention to the whole system...the exams are almost always compromised; the so-called States that tend to do ``well" do so for reasons that have always been obvious.  If we come to office next year, I will suggest to the President to abolish WAEC and replace it with a standardized international exam (such as London GCE).  Any exam conducted in Naija's of today is, by definition, suspect...this is sad for me to admit so, but it is true.  You know it.  I know it.  We all know it.  The culture of corruption instituted by the PDP, for those 15 or so agonizing years, has permeated into every sphere of the Naija conciousness/psyche.  No be so?
 
Abba
 
 
On 22 September 2014 21:41, Collins Ezebuihe Collye...@hotmail.com [NIgerianWorldForum] <NIgerianW...@yahoogroups.com> wrote:
 
That the Northern states did so poorly should not come as a surprise to anyone --including the Defense Secretary of the North, indomitable Abba G. Until the North learns to educate its women (instead of putting them in Purdahs) and do away with almajirism, it will continue to harvest what it sows. More poor results.
 
But what continues to surprise me is why Taraba state --an arguably southern state-- continues to post terrible results. That state should be doing better --like Imo, Oyo, Anambra, etc.
 
Mister Shekarau does have a job to do for better results out North.
 
Colly 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 

Date: Mon, 22 Sep 2014 19:15:00 -0700
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 Yobe has 1,548 out of the total 29,332 candidates that passed the requisite subjects combination. 
Gombe, 35th on the chart, has 1,107 from a total of 19,502 candidates that secured the mandatory five credit passes. Following them are 
Kebbi (34th), Zamfara (33rd), Sokoto (32nd) and Jigawa (31st).
From Kebbi, 1,676 had five credits and above out of the 26,615 candidates that sat for the examination this year. 
In Zamfara State, out of the 29,366 that sat for the examination, only 1,954 obtained five credits and above.
For Sokoto State, out of a total of 18,321 male and 7,070 female candidates that sat for the examination, only 1,809 had five credits and above.
Also, Jigawa..only 1,330 obtained five credits and above out of a total of 17,793 candidates that sat the examination in . 
Adamawa was 30th on the list with only 2,646 students obtaining five credits and above out of a total of 30,235 candidates that sat for the examination.
With 4,549 candidates that got the result that could secure them admission into university, Katsina placed 29th on the chart while
 Borno came 28th on the list with only 4,868 candidates out of the 31,983 that sat for the examination in the state.
Taraba, Niger and Nassarawa states were 27th, 26th and 25th respectively on the chart with 3,762; 9,211 and 8,621 obtaining five credits and above. 
Kaduna and Kano had 36,514 and 18,603 candidates obtain five credits and above respectively to keep their place. Oyo, Plateau and Osun states got the 24th, 23rd and 22nd positions respectively on the list.
 
Also National Mirror gathered from the statistics that Kaduna and Kano were able to move up the chart leading states like Ogun, Kogi, Cross River, Osun and Oyo states to make 10th and 17th position respectively.

Edo and Abia were third and second on the list while Anambra topped the list with 34,094 candidates obtaining five credits and above from a total of 51,718. Out of 1,692,375 that sat for the examination, only 529,479 made the required credits for admission into university.


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Hmmmmmmmmmmmm...Ogun, Kogi, Cross River, Osun and Oyo states 

there should be a BLUE RIBBON PANEL set up to find out what is going on here .
 
Mr Wike should take over the education of these northern states and make adjustments.
 
One of the thing IGBO will do for these people is to let them know that BOKO IS NOT HARAM.
The FED will declare a state of INTRA STATE Emergency and use a huge chunk of the state allocations for Education.
too many school building ...but...they are not learning anything.
 
All these Northern states are bent on Arabic studies but they are no ARABS but all are wanna bees.
 
they should stop going to Pakistan to recruit people to teach in these schools at high salaries while we have people in the south that can do the job cheaper.
 
Sambisa forest + 74 virgins + Chibock girls are not the way to go.
 
Because 2029 is almost around the corner.
they must have brains to pilot nigeria when it is handed to them  from the Middle belt.
 
 
These people want to learn.
 
They should give us the number of hausa who took these Exams in EAST.
They all passed because  EAST are ahead ...this include every body in it  EAST+ HAUSA + YORUBA + invaders.
 
They just need EATERN GUIDING LIGHT.
 
 
How are they going to fill those Universities up North?
They do not have the students.
 
How is Atiku filling his private University in YOLA...
These Crazy private MEGA University out on the other side do not have the students either.
 
they are busy raising school fees to N120,000.00 a year. ..
 
OtioOoOooooOoO
 
Every one is looking EAST........Universities + Police + army + customs + Presidency + Mega Churches
 
We own the damn place.
 
tell them I sad so.
 
vin.....///
 

13 Northern states trail in WAEC results

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… Anambra, Abia, Edo top list
… over 1m unable to make varsity admission requirements
 
 
Statistics of candidates’ performance in external examinations, especially in the West African Senior Secondary Schools Certificate Examinations, WASSCE, has always found Northern states at the bottom of the ladder.
It is no different this year as most of the states in the northern region, except Kaduna and Kano, have again shown abysmal performance in the performance chart for this year’s WASSCE results released by the West African Examination Council, WAEC, recently.
Surprisingly, some of them could not even record up to 2,000 candidates in the entire state who scored credit passes in five subjects including English Language and Mathematics, the requisite subjects combination that could secure prospective undergraduates admission either in the country or overseas.
No wonder, most of these states are still being referred to as educationally disadvantaged states several years after the country’s political independence.
For instance, Yobe, which took the last position among the 36 states of the federation and the Federal Capital Territory Abuja, has only 743 out of its total 15,310 candidates, who sat for the exam that obtained credit passes and above in five subjects including English Language and Mathematics.
 
Bauchi which is next to Yobe has 1,548 out of the total 29,332 candidates that passed the requisite subjects combination. Gombe, 35th on the chart, has 1,107 from a total of 19,502 candidates that secured the mandatory five credit passes. Following them are Kebbi (34th), Zamfara (33rd), Sokoto (32nd) and Jigawa (31st).
From Kebbi, 1,676 had five credits and above out of the 26,615 candidates that sat for the examination this year. In Zamfara State, out of the 29,366 that sat for the examination, only 1,954 obtained five credits and above.
For Sokoto State, out of a total of 18,321 male and 7,070 female candidates that sat for the examination, only 1,809 had five credits and above.
Also, only 1,330 obtained five credits and above out of a total of 17,793 candidates that sat the examination in Jigawa. Adamawa was 30th on the list with only 2,646 students obtaining five credits and above out of a total of 30,235 candidates that sat for the examination.
With 4,549 candidates that got the result that could secure them admission into university, Katsina placed 29th on the chart while Borno came 28th on the list with only 4,868 candidates out of the 31,983 that sat for the examination in the state.
Taraba, Niger and Nassarawa states were 27th, 26th and 25th respectively on the chart with 3,762; 9,211 and 8,621 obtaining five credits and above. Also National Mirror gathered from the statistics that Kaduna and Kano were able to move up the chart leading states like Ogun, Kogi, Cross River, Osun and Oyo states to make 10th and 17th position respectively.
Kaduna and Kano had 36,514 and 18,603 candidates obtain five credits and above respectively to keep their place. Oyo, Plateau and Osun states got the 24th, 23rd and 22nd positions respectively on the list.
Also Cross River, Kogi, Benue, and Ogun states occupied the 21st, 20th, 19th and 18th positions respectively. Kwara State (16th) with 9,999 candidates obtained five credits and above and Abuja (15th) having 2,612 male and 2,956 female candidates obtained the required credits for admission.
Others are Akwa Ibom (14th), Ondo (13th), Ekiti (12th), Ebonyi (11th), Kaduna (10th), Delta (9th), Imo (8th), Lagos (7th) and Enugu (6th). A total of 33,968 candidates from Rivers State made the required five credits and above while 10,529 made same from Bayelsa State. Edo and Abia were third and second on the list while Anambra topped the list with 34,094 candidates obtaining five credits and above from a total of 51,718. Out of 1,692,375 that sat for the examination, only 529,479 made the required credits for admission into university.
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 

















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The only "ethnic supremacists" in these fora for Bolaji Aluko are people like Obi Nwakanma and Nebu - so says the uber ethnic supremacist himself by the name, Bolaji Aluko. I mentioned the fact that Chima is Igbo simply because Abba insisted that "Southerners" should not presume to know the problems in the North or proffer solutions to what they know nothing about. Professor Chima's work was dedicated to nomadic education, particularly the education of the pastoralist communities in the North, and he did not have to be a Fulani to know the problem or the solution to the crisis of education in the North which Abba denies. For mentioning Chima's Igbo identity, Obi Nwakanma becomes "supremacist" - and largely because the word "Igbo" raises the hackles of the likes of Bolaji Aluko. The problem is simple: the crisis of education in the North is a Nigerian problem, and requires all hands on deck: it does not matter from where the solutions come, - northerner or Southerner. If that makes me triumphalist, then I'm glad. I do not consider the situation in the North of Nigeria, a "northern problem," because its effects are not, and even in the longer run, will not be confined to the North. And yes, Chima was the central proponent of nomadic education, and it was largely by his advocacy that Prof. Jubril Aminu as minister adopted it as policy and appointed him the first Chairman of the National Commission on Nomadic Education. We must pay just tribute to a man and his work, period.
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13 Northern States Education
Mr. Dear Mr. Abba,
I want to congratulate you for your ability to take on the world. It reminds me of a soccer game we watched in high school. It was “England vs. the rest of the world.” And England won. I think that you think you are winning. The best brains in these list serves have tried to convince you that the state of education in Nigeria is dire and that the state of education in the northern region is beyond disastrous but you are not persuaded. I want to put in my 11/2 pence because whatever we have been talking or discussing about any other Nigeria endeavor, be it development, politics, national interest, security, etc., does not matter until we have an educated populace. That is the beginning of wisdom. Education is too important a matter to be left to politicians such as you are.
Many people have provided a lot of statistics to you to prove their points but I want to draw your attention to one graph provided by Mr. Aluko (forget his opening paragraph on the Igbo for what he did there was to provide you a pacifier to calm you down so that you can listen to him). That graph shows the number of children not in school. It stretched from the left all the way to the right end of the paper. The number is 8.7 million of OUR children. And believe it or not over 70% of them live in the north. If that number does not scare you, I propose that you return your cap and gown especially your hood to the place you got it from. Mr. Aluko, after he had played the good cop to Mr. Nwakanma and Mr. Adiele’s bad cop, went on to deliver exactly the same message, that education in the north is very scary. I wish that you would pay attention to what these professional educators are saying.
I want to concede some of your points, PDP is responsible for some of deficiencies we have in education. They do have a hand for they have been in charge for over twenty years and would have claimed credit if it were otherwise. But this preceded PDP. So the blame also goes to the military leaders and the premiers before them. However the important point from my perspective is that it no longer matters who was/is at fault.
What are we going to do about it?
I want to use my village Achi, and my local government, Oji River Local Government, to show what can be done.
1.   We the people wrote off the government (as a manner of speaking) and took things into our hands.
2.   The Diaspora Oji River people donated desks and chairs to the schools in the local government
3.   Diaspora Achi people donated backpacks and books to ALL the students in the village.
4.   We are donating 50 computers (laptops) to 50 schools in the LGA. And more will be donated next year.
5.   Science teachers do not like to go to Achi because it is not Enugu or Onitsha. We are giving monthly stipend to science teachers in Achi to help our students get the science education they need. This is attracting science teachers to the village.
6.   One of our Diaspora members, Dr. Humphrey Iroku, donated sports jerseys to the schools and others have done similar things.
7.   Etc.
The examples above about Achi/Oji River Diaspora is a mere microcosm of what is happening in most southern villages because state governors (like Mr. Chime of Enugu) are just city mayors, they see their famous cities and  try to make them beautiful - as a show and tell piece. The northern villagers should go and do likewise. And when APC comes aboard and is different from PDP they can then leave things in their hands, but meanwhile let us as individuals and concerned citizens try to educate our kids. The children of PDP politicians are not among those 8.7 million children out of school. Their children live here in US and go to schools I dreamt my children would go. And when they graduate they will come back to claim that it is their turn to be president. We point to Abubakar’s son as the poster boy for this example.
Mr. Abba, do not deny the truth for as the Holy Book says “the truth shall make thee free.”
Nigeria education is bad and the northern education is bader (worse).
Benjamin Obiajulu Aduba
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The only "ethnic supremacists" in these fora for Bolaji Aluko are people like Obi Nwakanma and Nebu - so says the uber ethnic supremacist himself by the name, Bolaji Aluko. I mentioned the fact that Chima is Igbo simply because Abba insisted that "Southerners" should not presume to know the problems in the North or proffer solutions to what they know nothing about. Professor Chima's work was dedicated to nomadic education, particularly the education of the pastoralist communities in the North, and he did not have to be a Fulani to know the problem or the solution to the crisis of education in the North which Abba denies. For mentioning Chima's Igbo identity, Obi Nwakanma becomes "supremacist" - and largely because the word "Igbo" raises the hackles of the likes of Bolaji Aluko. The problem is simple: the crisis of education in the North is a Nigerian problem, and requires all hands on deck: it does not matter from where the solutions come, - northerner or Southerner. If that makes me triumphalist, then I'm glad. I do not consider the situation in the North of Nigeria, a "northern problem," because its effects are not, and even in the longer run, will not be confined to the North. And yes, Chima was the central proponent of nomadic education, and it was largely by his advocacy that Prof. Jubril Aminu as minister adopted it as policy and appointed him the first Chairman of the National Commission on Nomadic Education. We must pay just tribute to a man and his work, period.
Obi Nwakanma

 

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The only "ethnic supremacists" in these fora for Bolaji Aluko are people like Obi Nwakanma and Nebu - so says the uber ethnic supremacist himself by the name, Bolaji Aluko. I mentioned the fact that Chima is Igbo simply because Abba insisted that "Southerners" should not presume to know the problems in the North or proffer solutions to what they know nothing about. Professor Chima's work was dedicated to nomadic education, particularly the education of the pastoralist communities in the North, and he did not have to be a Fulani to know the problem or the solution to the crisis of education in the North which Abba denies. For mentioning Chima's Igbo identity, Obi Nwakanma becomes "supremacist" - and largely because the word "Igbo" raises the hackles of the likes of Bolaji Aluko. The problem is simple: the crisis of education in the North is a Nigerian problem, and requires all hands on deck: it does not matter from where the solutions come, - northerner or Southerner. If that makes me triumphalist, then I'm glad. I do not consider the situation in the North of Nigeria, a "northern problem," because its effects are not, and even in the longer run, will not be confined to the North. And yes, Chima was the central proponent of nomadic education, and it was largely by his advocacy that Prof. Jubril Aminu as minister adopted it as policy and appointed him the first Chairman of the National Commission on Nomadic Education. We must pay just tribute to a man and his work, period.
Obi Nwakanma

 

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Ken Asagwara:

Thanks for your thoughts...always welcome

It is my long-time promise that despite all attempts at blackmail, intimidation and character assasinations by your Confederacy, the promise, and not a threat,is that those of you Internet Brigade who shout victimization and marginalization all the time, and yet push Igbo supermenschen mentality all the time shall be pushed back against, consistently and firmly. I put Obi Nwakanma and Nebu Adiele in that category of pushers, and to a lesser extent yourself, Ken.  (For example, you in particular go to psychological meltdown when the word "Biafra" is mentioned.)  The thugs among you - under who the more refined of you hide as they scatter hateful comments against other ethnic groups in the country under the guise of of comicality and truth-telling and defenders of the "faith"  - are Chuks Agwunobi, Stan Odera, Canice Onuoha (alias Swamp Snake), Vincent Modebelu, Peter O'Para and a motley flotsam and jetsam others, who should name themselves if I have omitted their names.

Take this from me:  Intrinsically, no one group of persons is better than others in the world:  not White over Black, Yellow or Brown, not Male over Female, not Yoruba over Igbo or Hausa, NOTHING.  Whether it was while I was in the US or now that I am in Nigeria, I interacted/interact with a wide variety of Nigerians of all ethnicities on a daily basis, and I can affirm that,   History, culture and opportunity may make certain metrics compare differently, but there is nothing intrinsically that prevents a positive change if the will to do so is there.....and that is what we should encourage each other about, and not denigrate each other - or elevate our group of prideful association arbitrarily,  particularly on the basis of ethnicity.   

In the mean-time, let us move on.  We all agree that the educational standards in the country - or maybe outcomes - are sordid in the country; some sections of the country are better than others, but not that great on an international basis;  and  that the North of Nigeria, already behind for many historical reasons, are in even sorrier shape now because of a serious lack of leadership effort, too much emphasis on power-for-power sake rather than on service, and now the threats of a consuming and long-coming (Boko Haram) conflict, particularly in the North-East. That is why I have just spent some time to provide Abba Gumel with relevant Big Data, for him to convince himself.

And there you have it.  I am done for now.



Bolaji Aluko


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Nwanna Obi Nwakanma:

 

Reading Bolaji Aluko describe any other, in this case, you and Nebu as “ethnic supremacists", I wondered if he really thought over the expression before labeling you thus. My reason being that of all the "ethnic supremacists" in all of Nigeria’s internet forums, every discerning mind knows there is none more qualified for that reproach than Bolaji Aluko himself.

 

Whoa; talk about the pot calling the kettle black. Well, no surprise there any ways. Psychological attitudinal projection of sorts typical of the man Bolaji Aluko. What else can it be!

 

Cheers.

 

Mazi KC Prince Asagwara

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There is this troubling information of Nigeria's out of school population: 8.7 million, more than 40% of Sub-Sahara Africa:

 

 

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If we now drill down inside Nigeria as to what contributes to  this and why this is so, we begin to see patterns.  Even though enrollment may be LARGER in some Northern states than Southern states, the percentage enrollment is SMALLER, and completion/transition rates even SMALLER yet.  Gender problems also become highlighted.

 

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The situation becomes worse in the Secondary School level, with completion and transition to higher levels being problematic:

 

 

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Finally, to show that this North-South imbalance is historical, and not necessarily changing for the better as years wear on, I present these fairly dated tables (the paper was presented in 2002 by one Professor Okoblah):

 

 

Primary school disparity:

 

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University Undergraduate enrollment disparity:

 

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Finally, we look at some historical JAMB enrollment and new university entrants figures:

 

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The above more precise information supplements the table that I gave a few days ago, when I challenged you, Abba, in order for anybody to ESTIMATE this mis-alignment between our census and education enrolment figures around our dear country Nigeria, IF the CIA's age distribution for Nigeria is to be believed, viz:

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There are ethnic champions (real or imagined) in all ethnic communities. Fair and balanced commentary requires that champions on all sides of a conversation be called out if any such call is being done.

It is very evident in this forum, that even fact-based comments on some ethnic champions’ heroes, can be deemed unacceptable and painfully intolerable to some champions. They are driven so mad that they pour invectives on commentators using the most vile words at their finger-tips. Facts are facts. Historical facts are especially so. They are not always favorable. They are not always pleasant. They could not always be. To deny them therefore does not undermine their “factness”. They remain facts even after they are denied with or without obsequious logic.  

No one however brilliant, does/gets things right all the time. Every life is spiced with some errors of thought, judgment, and action. If any one’s judgment and action arise in a conversation, the one should rightly be called out. That the one is so called out, does not  necessarily diminish them. It proves their humanness. Their story is just being retold. If they were not a person of some consequence, they would not be talked about in this forum. I think.

 

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Anunoby Ogugua:

"Fact-based comments" are not necessarily truths.  Facts that are facts that are facts are not necessarily true statements.  We are entitled to our opinions, but not our facts, and even those facts are not necessarily true.

The bane of discussions on Nigerian Nets in my 21 years on it has been the constant confusion of opinion with fact;  the confusion that a fact is invariably a truth; and  the hope that repeated opinion rises to the level of truth; and finally false syllogisms will again rise to truths.

To state for example that "Mr. A. killed Mr. B. because A hates B" is a statement of fact, rounded off with an opinion.  "Mr. A killed Mr. B. because A stole B's money" is a fact rounded off with another fact.  Various additional facts - and truths - must be obtained/ascertained by questioning:

    - do Mr. A and Mr B exist?  They have to exist at all for A to kill B.  I have had occasions to argue about ghosts, and you have pointed out that that was a ghost, the repeater says, "Well it does not matter, it is the principle that counts."
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    - Is Mr. B. dead?   He cannot have been killed if he is not dead.   I once had an interlocutor here describe how a fellow was "piece-sed" to death by bullets in a war zone, only for the same person to be contesting for Deputy Governor of his state fifteen years after the "deadly" event.  (The fellow knows himself.)

    - If indeed he has been certified dead, was his death a result of murder?  A could not have killed B if B died a natural death.
 
It is only after the above have been established can we really begin to interrogate the veracity (truthfulness) of the statement of fact.

Or take the statements:

    "A hates B.   B was killed in the Hotel H.  A was in the hotel H when B was killed.  Therefore A killed B."

These kinds of circumstantial evidence from false syllogisms which rise to statements of facts, which, oft repeated from the lowliest to the highest elevate into truth fill Nigeria's "history" - or parlor/pepper-soup talk.   Propaganda, ethnic triumphalism, macho intractability and boastfulness are major causes.   Then when you challenge these facts, the repeaters get annoyed that you wish to confuse them with the facts, that are you challenging what their Papa told them, and you are challenging because you hate them?

Another opinion...

And so on..... and there you have it.



Bolaji Aluko

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BA,

Thank you for your treatise on fact, opinion, and truth. It is not clear to me what its purpose was. If I was undertaking the same adventure,  I would start with a definition of the terms- fact, opinion, and truth.

You chose not to address my point that those who choose to label other people or call them names  be fair and balanced. I respect that choice. There are usually people to label and call names on all sides of serious conversations. One should call out people on one side of the conversation only if they do not wish to be taken seriously by serious conversation participants. Partisanship of course, will not let some people be fair and balanced, even when it is the proper thing to do.

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We know the problem and the solution.

The problem was identified by Muhammadu Buhari as early as December 2005 :

Q. Your Excellency, you are arguably one of Nigeria´s most experienced elder statesmen. You have been a military Governor, a Minister, a General Officer Commanding, and a former Head of State. And recently, you contested an election for the presidency of this country. What would you put your finger on as the problem with Nigeria?

Muhammadu Buhari : I will most sincerely say education. I think education will unchain our people from all their prejudices, whether it is ethnic, religious or whatever. And here, unusually, I have to place the blame squarely on the shoulders of the elite. It is not the number of degrees each ethnic group holds that matter, although that matters; what does is continuous education in politics, the economy and security. It is amazing how groups are hijacked and held hostage by incompetent leadership in Nigerian communities, not allowing them to make dispassionate choices of representation and leadership. And really, ignorance is costing us so much in terms of development and the tension it creates. Of recent, I have been targeting the elite and its conscience. Let the elite wake up, go back to various constituencies and, directly or indirectly, continue to educate our people. Once there is an educated majority of Nigerians, I believe there is a certain level of standards they will not accept under any arrangement. But when people are allowed to wallow in ignorance, even concerning their immediate environment, they cannot be productive.” (Achebe Foundation interview with Muhammadu Buhari )

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And the problem is that under neoliberal economic regimes, education is a commodity. Not only that, if you have it, you are supposed to use it as "capital" i.e., but cultural and human. It is in this respect a private thing. The common good is diminished in terms of the public discourse. Access to it is dependent on your ability to pay. Ideally the state should intervene in this area and see it as a social project to make it affordable, but the neoliberals say people will not value it  and it will not be efficient. I do not deny the realities of irresponsible misuse of government money but under neoliberalism, as a human being,  you only have value in the context of market calculus i.e., something tradable. But in Africa, many people earn less than a cow in Europe and do not produce anything of value in the market like the cow in Europe that produces milk, cheese, beef and skin. Many of our people are not even "ex-commodities" i.e., those thrown out of the capitalist market; rather they are in strict economic sense a waste. Our universities in Africa do not even get into this deconstructive analysis of economics in its neoliberal tradition, where Milton Friedman said in response to people suffering, that you cannot make an omelet without breaking an egg. Von Hayek said that there is nothing called "social justice" and those who use the term do not know what they are talking about. A system cannot be responsible for justice. Thatcher said, there is no any other alternative to neoliberalism, and so we are at the end of history. Reagan out of desperation to change the system to what it is today said, "if not us who? if not now, when? And off they went. We cannot understand economics in the way it is affecting life chances without understanding  history, social and political processes.

So while I agree with General Buhari about the role of education and not just any kind of education but conscientizing education, given that Carl Jung said, what we know and how we know it is an intellectual question and process, but what we decide to do with what we know is a moral and ethical question. 

The kind of education we need in Africa will  strategically be even be more demanding that what the West provides because in order to liberate ourselves we need engage in what Manthia Diawara calls "Reversed Anthropology" -- this is where the hitherto oppressed tries to understand the mindset of his or her oppressor in order to unravel how the oppressor arrived at legitimizing the act and process of oppression.  

The oppressed cannot liberate themselves without knowing the mindset and the conditions that shaped the mindset of their oppressor. One of Fanon's contribution is that he did not just focus on the liberation of Africa but he tried to understand the psychology of the oppressor leading him to conclude that the African can only liberate himself by choosing a different path. If he or she tries to liberate himself or herself by being educated to be a white person, unfortunately part of what it means to be white is not to be black. This is a complicated psychological process. Thus by being white, one is learning to be against black.

 Often when one says this, people think he or she devalues African studies or African history. The problem we have is that the epistemological categories used to judge our history is not produced by us in the marketplace of ideas and for us to discredit the imposed criteria we need to know its history so that we can deconstruct it with authority and credibility. There are many doing that but this has not been taken seriously in Africa. Some of the criticism I have heard sometimes suggests a lack of thorough understanding of the western tradition. It is good when one wants to criticize they understand the system well. And that is why we need to know not just who we are as Africans but the history of who oppressed us and how the oppressor arrived and that position and successfully achieve it.

Many things the majority of Nigerian elites are doing is just confirming the kind of skepticism some Europeans had about we running our affairs. We can do better.  A country like Nigeria has great potential but it is wasted. And yet, religion is at the center of the legitimation of Nigeria's institutions. Yet, religion as currently practice will not transform Nigeria for the better because it has had fifty four  years of expansion and the empirical results does not suggest it has the capacity to provide the kind of education we need. The religious organizations generate money from the church and build universities or secondary schools that can as well could have been built by neoliberals. They priced out the poor.  They encourage people to focus more on miraculous solutions instead of using empirically-based methods. 

Anyone who is a true faith-healer should go to Liberia, Sierra-Leone and Guinea and use the power of the Holy Spirit to heal the sick there because the Holy Spirit can perform all kinds of miracles. If they cannot, then in the future they should shut up about making outrageous claims, since the claims do not work at the most desperate time in some African countries.

Samuel


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