Re: [africanworldforum] Nigeria's efforts to secure international loans hit deadlock - sources | Reuters

[Mobolaji Aluko]

Afis:

You seem not to understand that that is PART of the reason for a DIASPORA Bond: that when a nation finds it a tad difficult to get usual
"acquaintances and friends" to lend it (all the) money it needs, it turns to kins to "stand in the gap".

Diaspora citizens are KINS to a nation. The motivation for lending is slightly different from others, but such kins are then responsible to set some conditions for such a lending, to ensure that whatever got the nation into such a dire situation should not be repeated. "Omo iya, o se iwo ni, sugbon maa ya e ni owo yi, o de gbodo lo bayi ati bayi,.." ("Brother, because you are my flesh and blood, I will lend you this money provided you use it as agreed.")

When such kinship is shown to a nation, it is called patriotism.   If you don't like that word, use a more spiritually anthromorphic word: self-love. It is NOT a compulsion, and it does not mean that you should lose your shirt,  but if you do it and it succeeds, naturally you will feel good.

And there you have it.

Bolaji Aluko

On Thu, Jan 19, 2017 at 2:00 PM, afis 'Deinde <odide...@gmail.com> wrote:

But you are encouraging people in Diaspora to lend money to an unstable government, and unstable economy.

Shikena 

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On Jan 18, 2017, at 9:28 PM, Austyn Ogannah <oga...@gmail.com> wrote:

Stale news report.

On Wed, Jan 18, 2017 at 1:25 PM, Joe Attueyi topc...@yahoo.com [YanArewa] <YanA...@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

 

I could have told them this and saved them a lot of time

Who is going to lend you money when you have 12 different FX rates within your economy?

Joe
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[Mobolaji Aluko]

GIW:

Thanks for your thoughts.

I have long supported resource control - and the principle of subsidiarity and cooperative federalism - but I also support local capacity,  responsibility and accountability, which are sorely lacking in Nigeria.  But between the cup and the lip - between now and then - a lot can still slip, so we MUST be very careful how we go about it, lest in the interregnum THE PEOPLE suffer even more than they are doing now.

I lived in the South-South for five years, and I know of what I write.  For some people, "Resource Control" means "Leave us to chop our money...after all, it is ours!"

As to mobilizing for Resource Control, that train too has left the station, and it will be obtained sooner rather than later.  There are louder voices than myself in that arena.

And there you have it.

Bolaji Aluko

On Thu, Jan 19, 2017 at 8:18 PM, 'ishola williams' via AfricanWorldForum <africanw...@googlegroups.com> wrote:

Prof,I have just sent you a mail on Resource Control which is more important than another  money-wasting Commission except if it is funded by Non-Resident Nigerians.

I agree with you in toto sir.The FG wants to do everything ,therefore it has to be looking for money.

The principle of SUBSIDIARITY which both you and I agree must be institutionalised demands that we have  Ethnic Nationalities establishing Diaspora Bonds if  why,what,how and when have been agreed with all stakeholders,Residents and non-Residents.

May your fingers never get tired on the keyboard in the service of mama Nigeria o.iw no subsidiarity,no federalism  

 

 Ishola Williams Maj-Gen. (Rtd)

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On Thursday, January 19, 2017 1:55 PM, Mobolaji Aluko <alu...@gmail.com> wrote:

Afis:

Thanks for your understanding - and I read you.

We should all insist on a United, Safe, Happy, and Well-Governed Nigeria, free of internal oppression or favored class of people,  Diaspora-bond or no bond.  Both the Bond and the Vote would give us leverage, but the Diaspora Vote even more so.

In addition to the National Diaspora Bond, nothing stops a region - say the SouthWest - to set up a SouthWest Nigeria Diaspora Bond - and ask for subscriptions both from its "Diaspora" from within and without Nigeria.  If you are more comfortable with that, fine.

But let me repeat:  a Bond comes with specification for what projects - usually two or three - that the Government would use it for over a fixed period of time.  What those projects are would still determine whether or at what level you would invest in such a "patriotic" bond.  It cannot be mandated.

Let us move on.

Bolaji Aluko

On Thu, Jan 19, 2017 at 6:28 PM, afis 'Deinde <odide...@gmail.com> wrote:

Good morning sir, Dr Aluko:

I understand your points sir, but I am very wary of Situation-Nigeriana.

The Fulani herdsmen and their kins killed Yoruba in the Oke Ogun axis, we thought an agreement was reached between Late Lam Adeshina and the then Head of the Fulani cow owners Mohammed Buhari.

The agreement has been breached so many times since then, and so many Yoruba have died.  

We have the Ketu killings, the Idoma killings, Igbo killings, makes one wonder what kind of "kins" we are in bed with.

If Buhari can't abide by a simple "gentleman's agreement" between him and the governor of a Yoruba state, how are we sure funds from the Bond coming from mostly Igbo and Yoruba abroad, won't be diverted to further equip the Fulani/Hausa Islamists?

What assurance is there that post-Buhari, Nigeria will keep its own end of the bargain?

Sir, in this kind of unusual environment, the people willing to participate must insist that the govt curb the herdsmen's murderous activities all over the country.

Secondly, there should by now be an agreement on either Regional govt creation or some other Final solutions.

Diaspora Bond has to make more impact than just loan for infrastructure.

I do believe the Fulani are taking Yoruba for another round of costly ride thru their murderous Amusement Park.

Nothing wrong with the Bond proposal, but lots wrong with those people we share a boat ride with. 

You state sir: "Diaspora citizens are KINS to a nation. The motivation for lending is slightly different from others, but such kins are then responsible to set some conditions for such a lending......"......UNQUOTE.

Though the conditions you set differ from mine, however, it is interesting to note you agree "some conditions" need to be set.

I just go a step further that part of the conditions People overseas should agree on should include, Fulani atrocities against other Tribes, and either Regionalization or nothing.

If the people in Diaspora are going to make meaningful impact, there's nothing wrong in insisting that their brothers and sisters back home should at least not DIE from Fulani's hands. Most of these kith and kind of ours don't get their salaries on time, that's ok, we send them funds thru Western Union.

They don't have pipe-borne water, that's ok, we send them funds for boreholes.

They have chronic kidney failure, that's ok, we provide them Healthcare by fund or shipping them to Buhari's UK hospital.

But one thing we can't replace for them is LIFE.

So, It is not too much to ask, sir, that the Federal Govt of the so called FRN, should please stop the Fulani from killing our brothers and sisters!

We all live this life but once, most our dead Yoruba and Igbo people died not knowing what "living" meant. 

And everyone including our Southern leaders act as if nothing keeps on happening. 

That's unfair.

Shikena 
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[Mobolaji Aluko]

Afis:

Thanks for your understanding - and I read you.

We should all insist on a United, Safe, Happy, and Well-Governed Nigeria, free of internal oppression or favored class of people,  Diaspora-bond or no bond.  Both the Bond and the Vote would give us leverage, but the Diaspora Vote even more so.

In addition to the National Diaspora Bond, nothing stops a region - say the SouthWest - to set up a SouthWest Nigeria Diaspora Bond - and ask for subscriptions both from its "Diaspora" from within and without Nigeria.  If you are more comfortable with that, fine.

But let me repeat:  a Bond comes with specification for what projects - usually two or three - that the Government would use it for over a fixed period of time.  What those projects are would still determine whether or at what level you would invest in such a "patriotic" bond.  It cannot be mandated.

Let us move on.

Bolaji Aluko

On Thu, Jan 19, 2017 at 6:28 PM, afis 'Deinde <odide...@gmail.com> wrote:

Good morning sir, Dr Aluko:

I understand your points sir, but I am very wary of Situation-Nigeriana.

The Fulani herdsmen and their kins killed Yoruba in the Oke Ogun axis, we thought an agreement was reached between Late Lam Adeshina and the then Head of the Fulani cow owners Mohammed Buhari.

The agreement has been breached so many times since then, and so many Yoruba have died.  

We have the Ketu killings, the Idoma killings, Igbo killings, makes one wonder what kind of "kins" we are in bed with.

If Buhari can't abide by a simple "gentleman's agreement" between him and the governor of a Yoruba state, how are we sure funds from the Bond coming from mostly Igbo and Yoruba abroad, won't be diverted to further equip the Fulani/Hausa Islamists?

What assurance is there that post-Buhari, Nigeria will keep its own end of the bargain?

Sir, in this kind of unusual environment, the people willing to participate must insist that the govt curb the herdsmen's murderous activities all over the country.

Secondly, there should by now be an agreement on either Regional govt creation or some other Final solutions.

Diaspora Bond has to make more impact than just loan for infrastructure.

I do believe the Fulani are taking Yoruba for another round of costly ride thru their murderous Amusement Park.

Nothing wrong with the Bond proposal, but lots wrong with those people we share a boat ride with. 

You state sir: "Diaspora citizens are KINS to a nation. The motivation for lending is slightly different from others, but such kins are then responsible to set some conditions for such a lending......"......UNQUOTE.

Though the conditions you set differ from mine, however, it is interesting to note you agree "some conditions" need to be set.

I just go a step further that part of the conditions People overseas should agree on should include, Fulani atrocities against other Tribes, and either Regionalization or nothing.

If the people in Diaspora are going to make meaningful impact, there's nothing wrong in insisting that their brothers and sisters back home should at least not DIE from Fulani's hands. Most of these kith and kind of ours don't get their salaries on time, that's ok, we send them funds thru Western Union.

They don't have pipe-borne water, that's ok, we send them funds for boreholes.

They have chronic kidney failure, that's ok, we provide them Healthcare by fund or shipping them to Buhari's UK hospital.

But one thing we can't replace for them is LIFE.

So, It is not too much to ask, sir, that the Federal Govt of the so called FRN, should please stop the Fulani from killing our brothers and sisters!

We all live this life but once, most our dead Yoruba and Igbo people died not knowing what "living" meant. 

And everyone including our Southern leaders act as if nothing keeps on happening. 

That's unfair.

Shikena 
Afis
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On Jan 19, 2017, at 8:23 AM, Mobolaji Aluko <alu...@gmail.com> wrote: