Buhari’s Trumpian Propaganda to Cover Up the Lekki Massacre

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Farooq A. Kperogi

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Buhari’s Trumpian Propaganda to Cover Up the Lekki Massacre

By Farooq A. Kperogi, Ph.D.

Twitter: @farooqkperogi

On October 20, I couldn’t sleep in my base here in the United States because I was glued to social media monitoring livestreams of the agonizing state-authorized mass massacres of peaceful protesters in Lekki, Lagos.  I was crushed and despondent beyond description.

My situational insomnia was triggered by vicarious pains. The sights and sounds of young men and women being felled by live bullets by uniformed homicidal thugs caused me to imagine— and vicariously experience— the pain that the parents of the children who were being killed would go through when they find out about the murder of their children.


Although this Buhari-sanctioned, Tinubu-supported mass murder of unarmed and defenseless protesters was captured in real time on social media, archived on the web, and reported in the domestic and international media, the government isn’t only denying it now, it is causing people who witnessed it to question their own perceptual stimuli, recollections, and even sanity.


That is the propaganda tactic Donald Trump routinely deploys in America. He tells outrageous lies (he has told more than 5,000 lies since becoming president, according to several media houses that are keeping records!), repeats them ad infinitum, ignores rebuttals, and causes otherwise normal people to question the reality they live in and the evidence around them.


This propaganda and mind management tactic is called gaslighting. Its goal is to defamiliarize reality and the truth through intentional, in-your-face obfuscation of the facts—or through the popularization of what Trump’s former counselor Kellyanne Conway once called “alternative facts.”


In a January 2017 article for Psychology Today, Stephanie A. Sarkis, Ph.D., defined gaslighting as “a tactic in which a person or entity, in order to gain more power, makes a victim question their reality. It works much better than you may think. Anyone is susceptible to gaslighting, and it is a common technique of abusers, dictators, narcissists, and cult leaders. It is done slowly, so the victim doesn't realize how much they've been brainwashed.”


I’ve seen otherwise intelligent, critical people fall victim to the Nigerian government’s Trumpian gaslighting propaganda tactic over the Lekki massacre. Even though videographic evidence exists of the shooting of protesters in Lekki—and of real-time reports of military officers hiding corpses to conceal their murderous cruelty—I’ve seen a surprising number of people asking for evidence of the deaths of protesters in Lekki.


Before writing this column, I observed social media conversations about the government’s audacious denial of the Lekki massacre, and I was amazed by the number and types of people who were gaslit by the government.


Although gaslighting was initially studied in interpersonal settings, it has now been expanded to account for how people with political and coercive authority (such as presidents, heads of military organizations, etc.) and even symbolic power (such as celebrities and public intellectuals) can use their positions to muddy the waters and confound otherwise self-aware people.


The website “Healthline” tells us that gaslighting can cause people “to question their thoughts, memories, and the events occurring around them,” adding that “A victim of gaslighting can be pushed so far that they question their own sanity.”


It is the reason millions of Americans have become suckers for Trump’s absurd, easily refutable lies, and why millions of unreflective Talibangelical African Christians worship and believe him even though he isn’t a Christian and hates and disdains them because of their race.


Psychologists say the most potent solution to gaslighting is to recognize and accept that you’re the victim of a carefully planned emotional manipulation by people who have conscious and unconscious political, symbolic, or interpersonal dominion over you.


That acceptance frees victims from the burden of self-doubt and allows them to examine the facts and evidence around them. The unvarnished fact is that on October 20, CCTV cameras were turned off in Lekki and scores of protesters were shot at with live bullets by the Nigerian military. An undetermined number of protesters died.


The Punch of October 21 reported that “no fewer than seven persons” were murdered at Lekki and that “Many protesters were said to have sustained bullet wounds as a result of the attack that suddenly came just after the billboard on the tollgate and the streetlights around the premises were switched off.”

The paper also reported an eyewitness to have said, “They have killed more than seven people that I have seen with my eyes. They were killed with real bullets...”


Premium Times of October 23 also reported “Nigerian artiste, DJ Switch, who was present when soldiers shot at peaceful protesters in Lekki, Lagos, [on] Tuesday” to have said, “at least 15 people were killed in the shootings and that she and other survivors took the victims’ bodies to the soldiers who took them away.”


The Peoples Gazette, a professional, up-and-coming digital-native news outlet, reported that “the police in Lagos turned down [the] Nigerian Army’s request to hand over nine bodies from Tuesday’s massacre” and pointed out that “Amnesty International had reported 12 persons were killed by security forces on the same night, including 10 from Lekki military shooting.”


So the murder of protesters in Lekki by the Buhari regime is real. It isn’t mass hallucination. And it is disrespectful to the memories of the people who were senselessly murdered by the Nigerian military to question the truth of their death.


The blame for this gaslighting, of course, rests entirely with the government. Many of the peddlers of the government-approved falsehood that no one died at Lekki—or that accounts of what happened there are hyperbolized— are also victims of sophisticated emotional exploitation.


Tinubu is Complicit in the #LekkiMassacre

In an October 21 phone interview with Channels TV, Bola Tinubu tried to dissociate himself from the mass murder of EndSARS protesters in Lekki by asking, “Why will they use live bullets?” and proclaiming he “will never, never be part of any carnage. I will never be part of that.”


His condemnation of the massacre is refreshing, but he advertently or inadvertently enabled it in his blind pursuit of an increasingly implausible presidential ambition.


On Oct. 17, it emerged that clueless Aso Rock insiders said Tinubu was behind the #EndSARS protests as a bargaining chip to get the APC presidential ticket in 2023. I pointed this out on social media, and Tinubu himself acknowledged it days later in his ChannelsTV interview where he said he was “being accused and reported to the Presidency that I was behind the protests, that I was a sponsor of the protests.”


To persuade Aso Rock power brokers that he was on their side, he issued a forceful press statement on October 18 disclaiming any connection with the protesters, saying the protests, in fact, "affected the "economy of Lagos State" (read: Tinubu's bottom line since he practically owns the Lagos State government).


But his disclaimer did little to assuage the suspicions of his Aso Rock masters. So on Oct. 20, he issued an even more forceful statement where he, among other things, said the Buhari regime had the right to "act with the requisite decisiveness and FORCE to restore law and order."


In other words, he gave his imprimatur to the military to murder protesters. What else can “decisiveness and FORCE to restore law and order” mean but state-sanctioned lethal violence?


On the night of Oct. 20, several unarmed, defenseless young men and women were murdered in cold blood in Lekki by the Nigerian military. Of course, given Buhari’s bloodstained history, he didn’t need Tinubu’s greenlight to extrajudicially murder citizens who challenged his dreadful ineptitude, but Tinubu’s endorsement made it easier.

Farooq A. Kperogi, Ph.D.
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DR SIKIRU ENIOLA

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There are enough information in the media space to have mitigated this incendiary comments. We should endeavour to analyse issues towards the stabilization of national security. All the information contained in this write up are mere exaggeration of facts. All lives matter and it is agreeable that modesty should guide scholars at critical times of national crisis.

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Femi Segun

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Dr Eniola,
Please can you provide a  counter evidence to what eyewitnesses to this tragedy provided? I think it is the height of insensitivity to trivialise issues involving human lives. If Buhari did so for whatever reason, why should intellectuals  like you join in this charade? What other evidence are you expecting that lives were brutally wasted by shameless and inhuman autocrats masquerading as democrats other than the eyewitnesses account of people who protested? Despite the initial thoughtless denial by the Governor of Lagos State, he has also acknowledged that people died in the shooting. Or are you also doubting his claim?  I am pained and disappointed that a member of this forum can join in the denialism of the herds of flippant and callous Buharists. If only a member of their family was among the people murdered, perhaps, they will be more reasonable and compassionate. Let's be careful. Please visit the Punch website for a life account of one of the people who recorded the killings. 
O mase o

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DR SIKIRU ENIOLA

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Got this from another platform. What do you all think

...meanwhile

Olajide Abiola ~

Mob seige does not work with me. If you like rally the entire hordes of hades. I will state my views as succinctly as possible. It is your personal anguish to interpret my writs as individually deemed.

It is unfortunate what a genuine advocacy has degenerated into. It is also unfortunate and needless regarding all lives lost since the beginning.

In the last few hours a few rumoured deaths and arrests have been debunked. This is what I am happy about. This is what I hoped for. The Governor of Lagos has visited the hospital where injured protesters are said to be receiving treatment. I am also glad that some have been discharged and others had mild to moderate injuries. It is also good that the numbers aren't body bags. I pray for the quick recovery of the two persons said to be in intensive care. 

I am also glad that DJ switch was not shot dead nor arrested. Glad that has been debunked. Same with Eniola Badmus. And also the person in the attached screenshot who was one of those said to have been killed by soldiers. Every bad news refuted is a thing of joy. 

People shared 5 videos and links with me.

The first one: Soldiers firing

What I saw was soldiers firing blanks with flares pointing upwards. At least, if there us any basic thing I should know, it is what a live armor or blank armor sounds and looks like. While they fired into the air, there were chants by the protesters. How will I watch the video and then in good conscience state that soldiers were killing or masacred the people in that video? With all the shots fired, the protesters chanted in defiance. So, apart from the shots from the blanks and the chats from protesters, can anyone say they saw people dropping?

Second one: Channels TV video and Photo

A Channels TV correspondent was at the scene and he talked to two protesters with blood stains on their body. It was said that they sustained injuries. There was no dead body filmed. The Channels TV correspondent also took photos of shells. The picture is simple and straightforward. They were shells of blanks. Ask any soldier to corroborate it.

Third video: Sitting guy surrounded by others

I saw that the leg of someone on the seat was been held. Those who shared the video said they were trying to remove bullet from the leg. There was no background story to it. It was just said that it was gunshot and they were trying to extract it. 

4th Video: Video recorder in hospital

There were frantic movements in the room. I was initially afraid while viewing it because I was told 11 people were lying dead or groaning in pain from gunshots. The video only showed people moving frantically about. It didn't show the body of anyone. I saw that the recorder tried to enter another room in the hospital but he didn't. The video ended there.

5th Video: DJ Switch Live and recorded video

I saw the later end of the livestream and took my time to view the recorded one. I could hear the person streaming say 'let them keep shooting", "sit down" "sit down". While I was looking out for the killings people talked about I was also praying not to see dead bodies. People's lives are too sacrosanct to be used as collateral damage. 

I was abundantly clear that use of live ammunition would be a reprehensible act that stands condemned, but I will condemn only what I can ascertain to be true.

If people are not massacred and it turns out to be false, this is capable or heightening tensions and aggression....over what? Fake news? 

I sincerely hope that those who have rallied their goons to pour invectives and in anguish over my position to thread with caution and allow facts to emerge can eat their heart out. 

It is the same way I supported peaceful protests but urged caution. If erring on the side of caution is interpreted as defence of government or support for Buhari, it simply shows you are worse than what you fight.

Government cannot cover up the massacre of people with known identities. The identity of everyone SARS killed, and those that have been tragically lost during these protests are known. May their soul continue to rest in peace while government works to bring all erring officers to book.

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One by one, the frenzied reportage of last night, with twisted falsehoods, are getting refuted.

God bless Nigeria.

DR SIKIRU ENIOLA

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DJ_SWITCH'S VIDEO: MY ANALYSES AND OBSERVATION


By Dare Taiwo


1. Seven had died before her phone battery went off.

POSER 1.

No upload of the video or pictures showing the 7 dead she recorded before her phone went off.



15 corpses were laid at the feet of the Army

POSER 2

You couldn't have carried 15 heavy and stone cold bodies yourself. There must have been multiple people with you. One or two of them would have their phones on, even if hers is dead. With Nigerians penchant for filming people in danger instead of lending an helping hand, it's a no brainier to know that some people will not miss the opportunity to film the corpses. The videos or pictures of the corpses would have been trending on the Social media. But there is none.


POSER 3

AK47 bullets piercing through bodies at close range will lead to so much loss of blood. An average human being has 4.5 litres of blood in his/her body. 15 people shot would have combined 67.5 litres of blood. That's almost three 25litre gallons.

Such loss of blood will create a sea of blood, which should have clotted on the road and visible for people to see. Channels TV was at the Toll gate the following day, Arise TV was there, no trace of blood on the road was reported. Many people have been to the Tollgate since then, there is no picture or video showing evidence of dried blood on the road.



POSER 4

The military were killing people. People were scampering for safety. Yet in the midst of the volley of bullets, a couple of people were able to carry 15 corpses to where the murderous military men were shooting and they were neither arrested nor killed to erase witnesses. And none of those that carried the corpses either filmed it or took pictures.



She kept a bullet they pull out of the thigh of a victim.

POSER 5

A bullet has the casing and the bullet at the tip of the casing. The bullet is made of lead. When it hits the thigh bone (Femur), the tip of the bullet, which is now a amber colour hot lead, dents. The bullet showed by the lady still has straight tip. My guess is, it was shot in the air and fell down cold to the ground.



She displayed many cartridges or bullet casings.

POSER 6. A bullet has the bullet at the tip and the casing attached to it.

The casing has gun powder in it and a primer to trigger and detatch the casing from the bullet once it is released from the barrel of the gun.

The casing drops close to the shooter. It is only the bullet that travels to hit the target.

Bullet casing is proof that guns were fired, which we all saw in the video. But the video showed that the bullets were fired upward and not horizontally.


5. OBSERVATION:

DJ Switch did not look into the camera throughout the filming. A body language, which shows that one is either lying or not sure of what he/she is saying.


6. REQUEST:

a. The 15 People that were allegedly killed are not ants. They are full blooded human beings. That we have not seen videos of a pile of bodies is a mystery. I hope DJ Switch and those who carried the corpses will show us pictorial or video proofs to corroborate her story.

b. I hope she would be summoned by the Lagos State Judicial Panel of Enquiry to present her video and pictorial evidences so that justice can be served to those that were killed, if it is ascertained that there were fatalities at Lekki.
IAM WORRIED BY THE USE OF LANGUAGE BY THOSE WHO SAT IN THEIR ROOMS OUTSIDE NIGERIA, CONSUMING VIDEOS AND PICTURES WHICH ORDINARILY WE EXPECTED YOU IN THE ADVANCED COUNTRIES TO CROSS CHECK. I'm also worried by your violent language against a second opinion. Who are the Buharists? Is that how you classify the leaders in the country where you are Tennant's? Are you a Trumpist or a Brownist?Why do you people love to disgrace your own country because you have an opportunity of not staying at home? Please, this is an intellectual platform. I won't be intimidated in my efforts to ensure that media propagation of hatred does not destroy Nigeria. This is a sombre period and as much as every life matters, we won't keep quiet while you spread fake videos and while international media houses, al jazeerah, BBC etc have apologized for accepting and broadcasting videos from protesters without revalidating such.


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Dr Eniola.

We appreciate your level headed analyses in the face of relentless provocation.  This is what intellectuals do.  Many intellectuals in Nigeria prefer hysterics and frenzy when they receive news and information that goes against the grain opting for predictable sensationalism to justify prejudices.  This is acceptable only from unlettered people.



OAA




Mr President you took an oath to rule according to the Constitution


Where are the schools to promote the teaching of the country's lingua francas?



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Obinna .

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Here is a doctor stating that a protester was shot in the heart..

Some of us watched the IG Live stream and watched as the protesters struggled to remove bullets from the bodies of protesters and it was pitch dark until some turned on the lights on their phones until DJ Switch’s battery died - how are blank bullets shot up in the air and they hit multiple people in the hands, legs, stomachs etc.

Still waiting for detailed explanation of how someone can manipulate or photoshop an IG Live video

We also saw someone maybe die while we watched the IG Livestream and they also said one other person had died while we watched - maybe the died or didn’t but why arent non-believers also asking for the names of those that we saw with bullets in them to confirm how blanks shot up in the air managed to get into their bodies

why is a poorly lit video, without context, that shows a few soldiers, being held as conclusive proof of what happened? Does the video conclusively show ALL the soldiers that were at the scene? How do inexperienced people know from looking from behind a soldier in a video in the dark know that the soldier only shot upwards and only used blanks?

The army stated that there were no soldiers at the scene - then who did the shooting, blank bullets or not? - https://twitter.com/hqnigerianarmy/status/1318684952146419713?s=21

Doctors at hospitals were sharing videos of the injured at the hospitals with bullet wounds - were these videos photoshopped too?

Why were the lights and the billboard Athena tollgate turned off only on that day and at that time? Were the lights ever turned off during Covid -19 lockdown when there was no movement too?

There have been multiple reports of bodies carried away by the military and some protesters were also detained - why are these not being not investigated more?

Why is the onus ONLY on the protesters to provide evidence - why aren’t questions being asked of the military also - who ordered the soldiers there and why? brig gen Omata released a statement, and his classmates also acknowledged, that he was at the scene but only arrived to quell the shooting and he was not the commanding officer - this is similar to reports from various witnesses who said “their Oga come tell dem make dem stop to shoot” .

He also gave the name of the commanding officer - why aren’t non-believer citizens also asking for Brig Omata or Lt Col Bello to be interviewed publicly ?

Or are we to simply buy the Army’s multiple and contradictory stories - no soldiers were at the scene, all the videos were photoshopped, etc, . Same military/army that has a reputation for killing civilians and taking bodies away - let’s remember Zaria and the mass graves

If people were killed, won’t all these denials be a disservice to their memories and the pain of their families?

Still don’t understand why there is hesitation to ask tough questions of the military.










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Oluwatoyin Vincent Adepoju

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Obinna,

Great thanks.

Eniola declares that a video showing soldiers shooting at night into a sea of protesters showed them shooting blanks and flares into the air.

Is there any visual evidence to this claim?

Why does he  proceed to repeat, uncritically, the version of the Lagos state governor, the representative of the same government behind the horror, while performing what he presents as an analysis on the accounts from the victims?

Amnesty International estimates 12 dead. DJSwitch says she saw 15. The Lagos State governor says one person  has died.

Arriving at a definitive number of people who were killed will take unbiased and fearless investigation in the face of a ruthless regime determined to conceal its atrocity, with the latest nonsense by the army being their declaration that they were not the ones who did the shooting.

I look forward to what stories they will come out with to explain the presence of the shooting soldiers.

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                                                             A Response to Dare Taiwo on the Lekki Massacre



 

 

''1. Seven had died before her phone battery went off.

 

POSER 1.

 

No upload of the video or pictures showing the 7 dead she recorded before her phone went off.''

 

 

My Response: As you must be good at being able to take pictures in the dark even as soldiers are shooting at you, you ought to have been there so as to perform the feat you are demanding.

 

 

''15 corpses were laid at the feet of the Army

 

POSER 2

 

You couldn't have carried 15 heavy and stone cold bodies yourself. There must have been multiple people with you. One or two of them would have their phones on, even if hers is dead. With Nigerians penchant for filming people in danger instead of lending an helping hand, it's a no brainier to know that some people will not miss the opportunity to film the corpses. The videos or pictures of the corpses would have been trending on the Social media. But there is none.''

 

My Response: Same as above

 

POSER 3

 

''AK47 bullets piercing through bodies at close range will lead to so much loss of blood. An average human being has 4.5 litres of blood in his/her body. 15 people shot would have combined 67.5 litres of blood. That's almost three 25litre gallons.

 

Such loss of blood will create a sea of blood, which should have clotted on the road and visible for people to see. Channels TV was at the Toll gate the following day, Arise TV was there, no trace of blood on the road was reported. Many people have been to the Tollgate since then, there is no picture or video showing evidence of dried blood on the road.''

 

 

My Response: You need to find out who did the shooting, thereby dispersing  the protesters and gaining  control of the murder scene.

 

Are those not the best sources to ask?

 

Your 6th point makes it clear you believe a shooting took place at the Lekki scene.

Are the best people to ask about possible clean up of the shooting scene not those who put off all lights at the place before they commenced firing so as to obscure the evidence of their atrocity?

 


''POSER 4

 

The military were killing people. People were scampering for safety. Yet in the midst of the volley of bullets, a couple of people were able to carry 15 corpses to where the murderous military men were shooting and they were neither arrested nor killed to erase witnesses. And none of those that carried the corpses either filmed it or took pictures.

 

She kept a bullet they pull out of the thigh of a victim.''

 

My Response: People like you would have been most helpful among the unarmed, peaceful protesters who responded to the attack on them without any training in handing such situations, civilian youth who thought that holding the Nigerian flag and chanting the national anthem meant anything to  the armed soldiers who approached them, a faith explaining their remaining standing or seated even as the soldiers  approached.

Your kind of person would not have needed to wait for any interval of action in which a bullet was pulled out of a victim but would have been alert throughout  to the need to  dodge bullets in the dark, dare the soldiers by carrying dead bodies towards them to show them the evidence of their inhumanity and take pictures on a powerful camera remaining fully or highly charged even as you had camped for hours in the open air.



''POSER 5

 

A bullet has the casing and the bullet at the tip of the casing. The bullet is made of lead. When it hits the thigh bone (Femur), the tip of the bullet, which is now a amber colour hot lead, dents. The bullet showed by the lady still has straight tip. My guess is, it was shot in the air and fell down cold to the ground.

 

She displayed many cartridges or bullet casings.''


My Response: The behavior of a bullet depends on the properties of the bullet, the angle of the shot and the material it is shot at.

A bullet is capable of penetrating flesh without being dented. 

Helpful analyses of the behavior of bullets when fired may be found at the informative general interest site Quora and Wikipedia on bullets, from where this summation comes


Bullet design also affects what happens when a bullet hits an object. The way a bullet behaves when it hits a target is called 'terminal ballistics.' The make-up and density of the target material, the angle at which the bullet hits, and the speed and design of the bullet itself are all factors. Bullets are usually made to go into a target, change shape, and/or break apart. For a given material and bullet, the speed of the bullet is the main factor determining what happens.



 

''POSER 6. A bullet has the bullet at the tip and the casing attached to it.

 

The casing has gun powder in it and a primer to trigger and detatch the casing from the bullet once it is released from the barrel of the gun.

 

The casing drops close to the shooter. It is only the bullet that travels to hit the target.

 

Bullet casing is proof that guns were fired, which we all saw in the video. But the video showed that the bullets were fired upward and not horizontally.''

 

My Response: The video did not show that bullets were fired upward.

 

 

 

''5. OBSERVATION:

 

DJ Switch did not look into the camera throughout the filming. A body language, which shows that one is either lying or not sure of what he/she is saying.''

 

 

My Response: You should have been there and looked into the camera as you were being shot at under fire in the dark while sending live images and voice on your phone.

 

You should also have been there and made a video after the fact as you recalled the anguish of the experience and looked more intently at the camera so as to demonstrate that you are being truthful.

 

 

''6. REQUEST:

 

a. The 15 People that were allegedly killed are not ants. They are full blooded human beings. That we have not seen videos of a pile of bodies is a mystery. I hope DJ Switch and those who carried the corpses will show us pictorial or video proofs to corroborate her story.''

 

 

My Response: You need to find out who did the shooting, thereby dispersing  the protesters and gaining  control of the murder scene.

 

Are those not the best sources to ask?

 

 

''b. I hope she would be summoned by the Lagos State Judicial Panel of Enquiry to present her video and pictorial evidences so that justice can be served to those that were killed, if it is ascertained that there were fatalities at Lekki.''

 

 

My Response: DJ Switch has presented all the evidence she has to offer.

The people who should be summed are the Lagos State governor, the commander of the troops who did the shooting and the people who put off the lights and billboard at the toll gate to explain their roles in that horror and why did what they did.

 

 

''I AM WORRIED BY THE USE OF LANGUAGE BY THOSE WHO SAT IN THEIR ROOMS OUTSIDE NIGERIA, CONSUMING VIDEOS AND PICTURES WHICH ORDINARILY WE EXPECTED YOU IN THE ADVANCED COUNTRIES TO CROSS CHECK.''

 

My Response: As is clear from the self-serving character of the poor logic you have employed in this  piece of yours, may you not be described as a defender of inhumanity, an abusers of your intellectual powers, struggling to whitewash evil?


The more you defend these horrors, the greater the likelihood their creators will be further empowered and one day do you unto you as they are doing to others.

 

 

It was done to Shiites but Shiites are a fringe and exotic brand of Nigerian Islam far from the lives of many, so it may have seemed to some. 

It was done to IPOB, but they are a renegade group of secessionists in the SE not worthy of much attention beyond the need to suppress them, so some may have thought.

 

It has now been done in the heart of Lekki, an affluent neighborhood in Nigeria's economic capital Lagos.

But the Lekki protesters  are people who had bitten off more than they could chew, asking for too much, giving the impression of trying to change the govt by making sweeping and impossible demands for  change of Nigeria's political system, though depicted as being for the benefit of all, even as their movement was hijacked by hoodlums who took advantage of their protest even though the Lekki protesters were not destructive, leading the govt to put them down, so as to prevent any further hijacking.

Anyway, who knows who really did the shooting of the protesters and even if we admit the shooting took place, how are we sure anybody was actually hit by bullets, as some views are asserting.

 

When this kind of treatment reaches your doorstep,  the understanding could be that you were once loyal but have become an inconvenience who should be removed for the good of all.

 

It is always for the good of all, these eliminations.

 

Meanwhile, the eliminators are the few who feed fat on the commonwealth meant for all. 

 

 

Thanks

 

toyin 

 

 

 



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''1. Seven had died before her phone battery went off.

 

POSER 1.

 

No upload of the video or pictures showing the 7 dead she recorded before her phone went off.''

 

 

My Response: As you must be good at being able to take pictures in the dark even as soldiers are shooting at you, you ought to have been there so as to perform the feat you are demanding.

 

 

''15 corpses were laid at the feet of the Army

 

POSER 2

 

You couldn't have carried 15 heavy and stone cold bodies yourself. There must have been multiple people with you. One or two of them would have their phones on, even if hers is dead. With Nigerians penchant for filming people in danger instead of lending an helping hand, it's a no brainer to know that some people will not miss the opportunity to film the corpses. The videos or pictures of the corpses would have been trending on the Social media. But there is none.''

 

My Response: Same as above

 

POSER 3

 

''AK47 bullets piercing through bodies at close range will lead to so much loss of blood. An average human being has 4.5 litres of blood in his/her body. 15 people shot would have combined 67.5 litres of blood. That's almost three 25litre gallons.

 

Such loss of blood will create a sea of blood, which should have clotted on the road and visible for people to see. Channels TV was at the Toll gate the following day, Arise TV was there, no trace of blood on the road was reported. Many people have been to the Tollgate since then, there is no picture or video showing evidence of dried blood on the road.''

 

 

My Response: You need to find out who did the shooting, thereby dispersing  the protesters and gaining  control of the murder scene.

 

Are those not the best sources to ask?

 

Your 6th point makes it clear you believe a shooting took place at the Lekki scene.

Are the best people to ask about possible clean up of the shooting scene not those who put off all lights at the place before they commenced firing so as to obscure the evidence of their atrocity?

 


''POSER 4

 

The military were killing people. People were scampering for safety. Yet in the midst of the volley of bullets, a couple of people were able to carry 15 corpses to where the murderous military men were shooting and they were neither arrested nor killed to erase witnesses. And none of those that carried the corpses either filmed it or took pictures.

 

She kept a bullet they pull out of the thigh of a victim.''

 

My Response: People like you would have been most helpful among the unarmed, peaceful protesters who responded to the attack on them without any training in handling such situations, civilian youth who thought that holding the Nigerian flag and chanting the national anthem meant anything to  the armed soldiers who approached them, a faith explaining their remaininstanding or seated even as the soldiers  approached.

Your kind of person would not have needed to wait for any interval of action in which a bullet was pulled out of a victim but would have been alert throughout  to the need to  dodge bullets in the dark, dare the soldiers by carrying dead bodies towards them to show them the evidence of their inhumanity and take pictures on a powerful camera remaining fully or highly charged even as you had camped for hours in the open air.

You would also have been helpful in advising the army to eliminate everyone at the scene so as to avoid witnesses, and face the greater outcry arising from the massacre  of hundreds of protesters at the Lekki toll gate.

You could have helped deliberate on whether to leave the bodies there and decide whom to blame for the killings or dispose of the bodies and face a global outcry over the disappearance of such a large group of people arrest or some some of the protesters, thereby risking making them symbols of defiance of oppression even more powerfully so than they already are. 



''POSER 5

 

A bullet has the casing and the bullet at the tip of the casing. The bullet is made of lead. When it hits the thigh bone (Femur), the tip of the bullet, which is now a amber colour hot lead, dents. The bullet showed by the lady still has straight tip. My guess is, it was shot in the air and fell down cold to the ground.

 

She displayed many cartridges or bullet casings.''


My Response: The behavior of a bullet depends on the properties of the bullet, the angle of the shot and the material it is shot at.

A bullet is capable of penetrating flesh without being dented. 

Helpful analyses of the behavior of bullets when fired may be found at the informative general interest site Quora and Wikipedia on bullets, from where this summation comes


Bullet design also affects what happens when a bullet hits an object. The way a bullet behaves when it hits a target is called 'terminal ballistics.' The make-up and density of the target material, the angle at which the bullet hits, and the speed and design of the bullet itself are all factors. Bullets are usually made to go into a target, change shape, and/or break apart. For a given material and bullet, the speed of the bullet is the main factor determining what happens.



 

''POSER 6. A bullet has the bullet at the tip and the casing attached to it.

 

The casing has gun powder in it and a primer to trigger and detach the casing from the bullet once it is released from the barrel of the gun.

 

The casing drops close to the shooter. It is only the bullet that travels to hit the target.

 

Bullet casing is proof that guns were fired, which we all saw in the video. But the video showed that the bullets were fired upward and not horizontally.''

 

My Response: The video did not show that bullets were fired upward.

 

 

 

''5. OBSERVATION:

 

DJ Switch did not look into the camera throughout the filming. A body language, which shows that one is either lying or not sure of what he/she is saying.''

 

 

My Response: You should have been there and looked into the camera as you were being shot at under fire in the dark while sending live images and voice on your phone.

 

You should also have been there and made a video after the fact as you recalled the anguish of the experience and looked more intently at the camera so as to demonstrate that you are being truthful.

 

 

''6. REQUEST:

 

a. The 15 People that were allegedly killed are not ants. They are full blooded human beings. That we have not seen videos of a pile of bodies is a mystery. I hope DJ Switch and those who carried the corpses will show us pictorial or video proofs to corroborate her story.''

 

 

My Response: You need to find out who did the shooting, thereby dispersing  the protesters and gaining  control of the murder scene.

 

Are those not the best sources to ask?

 

 

''b. I hope she would be summoned by the Lagos State Judicial Panel of Enquiry to present her video and pictorial evidences so that justice can be served to those that were killed, if it is ascertained that there were fatalities at Lekki.''

 

 

My Response: DJ Switch has presented all the evidence she has to offer.

The people who should be summed are the Lagos State governor, the commander of the troops who did the shooting and the people who put off the lights and billboard at the toll gate to explain their roles in that horror and why did what they did.

 

 

''I AM WORRIED BY THE USE OF LANGUAGE BY THOSE WHO SAT IN THEIR ROOMS OUTSIDE NIGERIA, CONSUMING VIDEOS AND PICTURES WHICH ORDINARILY WE EXPECTED YOU IN THE ADVANCED COUNTRIES TO CROSS CHECK.''

 

My Response: As is clear from the self-serving character of the poor logic you have employed in this  piece of yours, may you not be described as a defender of inhumanity, an abusers of your intellectual powers, struggling to whitewash evil?


The more you defend these horrors, the greater the likelihood their creators will be further empowered and one day do you unto you as they are doing to others.

 

 

It was done to Shiites but Shiites are a fringe and exotic brand of Nigerian Islam far from the lives of many, so it may have seemed to some. 

It was done to IPOB, but they are a renegade group of secessionists in the SE not worthy of much attention beyond the need to suppress them, so some may have thought.

 

It has now been done in the heart of Lekki, an affluent neighborhood in Nigeria's economic capital Lagos.

But the Lekki protesters  are people who had bitten off more than they could chew, asking for too much, giving the impression of trying to change the govt by making sweeping and impossible demands for  change of Nigeria's political system, though depicted as being for the benefit of all, even as their movement was hijacked by hoodlums who took advantage of their protest even though the Lekki protesters were not destructive, leading the govt to put them down, so as to prevent any further hijacking.

Anyway, who knows who really did the shooting of the protesters and even if we admit the shooting took place, how are we sure anybody was actually hit by bullets, as some views are asserting.

 

When this kind of treatment reaches your doorstep,  the understanding could be that you were once loyal but have become an inconvenience who should be removed for the good of all.

 

It is always for the good of all, these eliminations.

 

Meanwhile, the eliminators are the few who feed fat on the commonwealth meant for all. 

 

 

Thanks

 

toyin

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Dear all, with due respects and with heartfelt prayers for the dead, no write up has said there was no shooting at the Lekki toll gate. The story that went round even from those who reduced the numbers eventually was a " Lekki Massacre". This was what many international govts hastily based their utterances on. Even, many international media houses were not spared. You can imagine the gravity of the damages done if some media houses are just retracting their earlier broadcasts. 
 Some of us back home expected our brothers and sisters with superior technology to be able to reconcile their positions and toe the path of stability and reconstruction in Nigeria. The Economist just said that it will take years and years to recover from the damages going to trillions of dollars.
 Nigeria houses the worst enemies that hate her guts in the world. Otherwise, how will those who were listed as dead in Lekki began to surface to say they are alive and the same criminal arsonists continued to threaten them for coming out? One picture of a guy carrying a dead woman was a scene of a christian drama at the NYSC camp. For coming out to say it was a drama scene, the guy was threatened and abused. I saw few people who fell down from the roof of cars while speeding in the orgy of violence. The dead bodies were listed as having died in Lekki. Some died in motor accidents etc. A large number died during the stampede that accompanied the orgy of violence across Lagos.
 We are saddened that some of our brothers and sisters continue to grandstand after new evidences! This is not the way of scholarship. You do not continue to mobilize hatred for your own country. Dr Kperogi can be excused as a seasoned journalist. He is a Bukhari biographer whose research and utterances had been those of pathological hatred for the character of his fancy and whose analysis on this matter was also and permanently as usual, informed by the doctored media clips and photo shops. 
Nigeria can work and infact has even  been working despite prebendal politicking because some of us have continued to stand on our feet to diffuse tensions based on lies and propaganda. The purpose of our posts is not to impugn your rights to free speech and daughters expression. The purpose is to guide you to make informed analysis. There was no Lekki massacre and Nigerian youths did not burn Lagos nor loot shops and ware houses. Those were criminal elements and no reason on earth could ever justify the carnage, freeing of prisoners,burning of police stations and stealing the arms and the ammunitions etc. Nigerian youths didn't commit these atrocities. If hatred against Buhari or anybody should be expressed,it should be on authentic grounds. Enough of grandstanding to those who think they have the monopoly of the media and the intellectual space. 

Oluwatoyin Vincent Adepoju

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Eniola,

You say there was no Lekki Massacre.

Are you able to prove that?

Does the discrediting  of some  of the accounts claiming particular people were killed disprove the claim there was a massacre?

Are you able to disprove the factuality  of any claim made by Kperoqi in his article?

Does critique of Buhari equal hatred of Nigeria?

Is it not possible that Buhari, in particular, reinforced by his ideological comrades, and his govt in general, are actually enemies of Nigeria?

Rather than focus on accusations of grandstanding in response to the critical analysis of Deji Taiwo's self described analysis, why not try to counter the rebuttals made of Taiwo's analysis?

thanks

toyin

Obinna .

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Not sure why people are being labelled as ".....the worst enemies that hate her guts" simply because they have different opinions. What makes an opinion of "nothing happened at Lekki" superior to others and what makes holders of that opinion not "....enemies that hate her guts"?  What is so wrong with seeking the truth to hold people accountable and why is the focus solely on body count rather than injustice that could have been carried out?

No conclusive evidence has been provided, to back up earlier statements of;  blanks were used, soldiers fired upwards, etc., yet everyone is expected to accept analysis from the casual observer, hook line and sinker.  Casual observers claim that they can tell from a poorly lit video that showed soldiers from behind - how many soldiers were present, that the soldiers only fired blanks and only shot upwards,  - and when people ask for more insight in to this "analysis" they are labelled enemies of Nigeria. What is wrong with asking hard questions?  

on one hand it is "...some of us back home expected our brothers and sisters with superior technology to be able to reconcile their positions" and when attempts are made to do this, the response is to ignore the questions asked and throw out labels. People overnight are becoming "experts" in video and military forensics, trauma, body language, and more, in a quest to impose their opinions as evidence

Avoiding multiple questions that seek clarity on conflicting statements that have been released by the powers that be and repeating the same opinions doesn't demonstrate that one loves Nigeria any more than others with different opinions no matter how loud one shouts.

Talking about manipulated media, why is the assumption that only one side, the civilians, manipulated media - there have been reports of people intentionally creating new twitter and IG accounts to use pictures and video to spread news that people were killed and then same people turn around and say that they are alive - similar to how accounts have been identified as solely designed to incite Americans against themselves. This manipulation of media by wrongdoers happens across the world and not sure why anyone would expect it to be different for Nigeria.

Here are some questions that come to mind and one would think that those that genuinely want the truth to emerge would be asking similar questions, rather than insisting that armchair analysis must be the truth. Ignoring the questions raised about contradictory statements and instead making ad hominem attacks is futile in my opinion and leaves one to wonder what the true motivation of the rush to a conclusion truly is.. and how it translates into loving Nigeria more than others with different opinions/approaches.

Why is there an urgency to conclude that the powers to be are innocent? If the army only shot upwards and only used blanks, why are we not hearing this directly from the Army, instead of "videos are photoshopped" and "no soldiers were on the scene" ?
  • Why is the Army saying "no soldiers were at the scene" ?
  • Why were the lights and billboard turned off at the toll gate only on that day - the protesters had been at that location for days and were the lights turned off on other nights too?
  • Who shot the video showing the Army at the scene (army or civilian) and where is the rest of the video? Why isn't there a more detailed video showing more of what happened?
  • Who and where is Brig General Omata and why did he say he only arrived to stop the soldiers and Lt Col Bello led the soldiers, not him? This is consistent with some statements from those present.
  • who ordered the Army to the scene? Sanwo-Olu has confirmed that there were soldiers at the scene
  • were statements and videos from doctors and hospitals showing that they assisted the wounded all fake?
  • why is the focus solely on body count?
  • should the Nigerian Army be deployed to shoot at civilians (blanks or no blanks, sideways or downwards) under any circumstances?  

https://www.withinnigeria.com/2020/10/21/brigadier-francis-omata-clears-the-air-on-lekkimassacre-names-officer-who-led-the-operation/?fbclid=IwAR2RBoAX3HZCgJYcgPlNApW2twY3zozJ3NPBbqWUKF-5N9V9qBddquE91WU - his name was mentioned by DJ Switch on the Live Instagram video and this statement affirming that he was present and absolving him of participating in the shooting has been confirmed by his FGC Okigwe schoolmates



Still active on the Nigeria Army website, why if it is not true? https://twitter.com/HQNigerianArmy/status/1318684952146419713


 



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On October 17, it emerged that clueless Aso Rock insiders said Tinubu was behind the #EndSARS protests as a bargaining chip to get the APC presidential ticket in 2023. I (Farooq Kperogi) pointed out on social media, and Tinubu himself acknowledged it days later in his Channels TV interview where he said he was "being accused and reported to the Presidency that I was behind the protests, that I was a sponsor of the protests" - Farooq Kperogi. My question to the Aso Rock intriguers and the self-referential Farooq Kperogi is, what has Tinubu's presidential ambition in 2023 got to do with #EndSARS protests? If Tinubu desires to contest the APC presidential primaries in 2023, which he has not declared to do, he is free to do so like any member of the APC. In 2015, Buhari contested the APC presidential primary with Rabiu Kwankwaso, Atiku Abubakar, Owelle Rochas Okorocha and Sam Nda-Isaiah which Buhari won with 3,430 votes while others polled 974, 954, 624 and 10 votes respectively. Even if Tinubu is going to contest APC presidential primary in 2023, which he is yet to declare, there is no guarantee that he shall win as he will certainly not be the only contestant. Why then should Tinubu initiate #EndSARS protests in 2020 to secure APC presidential primary ticket in 2023? Does that make sense to anyone?

Professor Farooq Kperogi wrote about Tinubu's *Channels TV interview* as if he was quoting Tinubu directly from the interview but the link he gave to support his quotation emanated from the online media, the cable.ng., that put the source of its information to Channel TV. Farooq Kperogi now pretends as if he had watched the TV interview. Kperogi and his acolytes are stupidly crediting Tinubu as having said, "I am being accused and reported to the Presidency that I was behind the protests, that I was a sponsor of the protests." Tinubu is known by Nigerians to be an intelligent person and he could not have made the statement credited to him without naming his accusers and his reporters to the presidency. It is true that the online cable.ng., of Tuesday, 20 October 2020, reported that Tinubu had cautioned protesters against giving the impression that they wanted to cause anarchy, saying that "any government will necessarily have to act with requisite decisiveness and force to restore law and order" if that happens to be the case. This has been twisted by Farooq that Tinubu sanctioned the use of soldiers to quell protests while ignoring Tinubu's wise advice to the protesters not to give the impression that they wanted to cause anarchy. Tinubu is not a soldier and he is not an official in the Presidency, hence, his influence on Buhari's government is minimal despite being referred to as a National leader of the APC, a position which is nowhere to be found in the party's constitution. The caution given to protesters by Tinubu on 20 October 2020, might have been prompted by a public statement titled, "Nigerian Army Remains Resolute to the Peace and Stability of the Nation" signed by the Acting Director, Army Public Relations, Col. Sagir Musa, and issued on Wednesday, 14 October 2020. Excerpts from the Army statement read in part, "The Nigerian Army wishes to reassure law-abiding citizens that it is highly committed to the sustenance of peace, security and defence of democracy in Nigeria. As a responsible and law-abiding organisation, the NA reaffirms its unalloyed loyalty and commitment to the President, Commander in Chief of the Armed Forces of the Federal Republic of Nigeria, President Muhammadu Buhari and the Constitution of the country. The NA hereby warns all subversive elements and trouble makers to desist from such acts as it remains highly committed to defending the country and her democracy at all cost. The NA is ready to fully support the civil authority in whatever capacity to maintain law and order and deal with any situation decisively. The military authorities directed officers and men never to be distracted by anti-democratic forces and agents of disunity." https://www.punchng.com/endsars-army-threatens-decisive-against-trouble-makers-anti-democratic-forces/ 


​Farooq​ Kperogi's Trumpian propaganda can neither convert Tinubu to an Army Commander nor to Buhari's National Security Adviser. No matter how much the Trumpian propagandist from Atlanta tries, he cannot ascribe the origin of #EndSars protests to Tinubu. For it is on record that on Saturday, 3 October 2020, at Wetland Hotel, Ughelli, in Delta State, a police officer attached to the Special Anti-Robbery Squad (SARS) shot a young man and the police officer and his colleagues took away a Lexus SUV belonging to the young man. The whole event was captured on video that started trending on Twitter, leading to nationwide protests #EndSARS. For Trumpian propagandist, Kperogi, he would soon tell Nigerians that Tinubu is a native of Ughelli!!

After subjecting readers to irrational, indecent and contradictory tales, Farooq finally attempted to drown them in an ocean of improbability. Thus, he wrote, "Premium Times of October 23 also reported, 'Nigerian artiste, D.J. Switch, who was present when soldiers shot at peaceful protesters in Lekki, Lagos, on Tuesday' to have said, "at least 15 people were killed in the shootings and that she and other survivors took the victims' bodies to the soldiers who took them away." The fact here is that D.J. Switch is claiming to be, not only an eye-witness of the shootings but, an actor in conveying bodies of those shot dead to the soldiers. But for D.J. Switch, Farooq in his usual character would have told readers that an Army General and a friend of his phoned to tell him in Atlanta that he harvested 15 dead bodies at Lekki massacre. The minimum truth that one should expect the eyewitness, D.J. Switch, to tell readers is the exact number of people she saw, shot dead. To state that at least 15 people were killed in the shootings is not a fact but a stupid guess, which can only appeal to a guess-work commentator like Farooq. Had D.J. Switch carried any person shot dead that night, the clothes she wore would have been drenched with blood of the victims, which should now be a vital evidence against the shooters. It is even absurd that the soldiers would just have received the dead bodies from D.J. Switch and her fellow survivors and allowed them to go away as future witnesses against the soldiers. While I believe that not a single person should be killed for exercising his/her democratic right to demonstrate, I refuse to accept Kperogi's Trumpian propagandists' various figures of 7, 12, or 15 death casualties at Lekki Toll-Gate.
S. Kadiri

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Obinna.

What is going on now is what we refer to in journalism  as a running story.  It will be such for the next few weeks.


What evidence have YOU provided that a massacre did indeed happen?

In democracies people are adjudged innocent until proven guilty and that does not exclude governments.

Why maintain that a massacre must have happened when the strict definition of massacres ( a collective noun) depends on body count.

Are we communicating in the same English language?

Does that show goodwill to one's government or ill will that the government cannot be given a benefit of the doubt until more evidence comes to light?

OAA.


Mr.President you took an oath to rule according to the Constitution.

Where are the schools to promote the teaching of the country's lingua francas?



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Toyin Adepoju.


The difference between you and Dare Taiwo is that Dare Taiwo is not alleging that government forces committed atrocities so the onus is not on him to provide evidence they did not; the onus is on YOU to provide evidence they did before you jump on the bandwagon of those labeling government criminal.  

When your southern home boy GoodluckJonathan got caught red- handed with his hand in the till via his wife's First Lady account in a duplicitous alliance with Air Peace I was waiting for your reaction.  Predictably not a whimper from you till today to castigate either or both husband and wife.  Is that because his wife's name is not Aisha and they are not Muslim northerners?


When it was again revealed that your home boy ordered fuel hike protesters to be shot down in cold blood, I again waited for you to castigate him the manner in which all fangs are now bared against Buhari.  I am still waiting.

After you spent three quarters of your post painting the Buhari administration guilty, to play to the gallery of your usual social media constituency then you tucked in a little corner towards the end the possibility no killing may actually have happened.

What a way to be clever by half!


OAA





Mr.  President you took an oath to rule according to the Constitution.


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''1. Seven had died before her phone battery went off.

 

POSER 1.

 

No upload of the video or pictures showing the 7 dead she recorded before her phone went off.''

 

 

My Response: As you must be good at being able to take pictures in the dark even as soldiers are shooting at you, you ought to have been there so as to perform the feat you are demanding.

 

 

''15 corpses were laid at the feet of the Army

 

POSER 2

 

You couldn't have carried 15 heavy and stone cold bodies yourself. There must have been multiple people with you. One or two of them would have their phones on, even if hers is dead. With Nigerians penchant for filming people in danger instead of lending an helping hand, it's a no brainer to know that some people will not miss the opportunity to film the corpses. The videos or pictures of the corpses would have been trending on the Social media. But there is none.''

 

My Response: Same as above

 

POSER 3

 

''AK47 bullets piercing through bodies at close range will lead to so much loss of blood. An average human being has 4.5 litres of blood in his/her body. 15 people shot would have combined 67.5 litres of blood. That's almost three 25litre gallons.

 

Such loss of blood will create a sea of blood, which should have clotted on the road and visible for people to see. Channels TV was at the Toll gate the following day, Arise TV was there, no trace of blood on the road was reported. Many people have been to the Tollgate since then, there is no picture or video showing evidence of dried blood on the road.''

 

 

My Response: You need to find out who did the shooting, thereby dispersing  the protesters and gaining  control of the murder scene.

 

Are those not the best sources to ask?

 

Your 6th point makes it clear you believe a shooting took place at the Lekki scene.

Are the best people to ask about possible clean up of the shooting scene not those who put off all lights at the place before they commenced firing so as to obscure the evidence of their atrocity?

 


''POSER 4

 

The military were killing people. People were scampering for safety. Yet in the midst of the volley of bullets, a couple of people were able to carry 15 corpses to where the murderous military men were shooting and they were neither arrested nor killed to erase witnesses. And none of those that carried the corpses either filmed it or took pictures.

 

She kept a bullet they pull out of the thigh of a victim.''

 

My Response: People like you would have been most helpful among the unarmed, peaceful protesters who responded to the attack on them without any training in handling such situations, civilian youth who thought that holding the Nigerian flag and chanting the national anthem meant anything to  the armed soldiers who approached them, a faith explaining their remaininstanding or seated even as the soldiers  approached.

Your kind of person would not have needed to wait for any interval of action in which a bullet was pulled out of a victim but would have been alert throughout  to the need to  dodge bullets in the dark, dare the soldiers by carrying dead bodies towards them to show them the evidence of their inhumanity and take pictures on a powerful camera remaining fully or highly charged even as you had camped for hours in the open air.

You would also have been helpful in advising the army to eliminate everyone at the scene so as to avoid witnesses, and face the greater outcry arising from the massacre  of hundreds of protesters at the Lekki toll gate.

You could have helped deliberate on whether to leave the bodies there and decide whom to blame for the killings or dispose of the bodies and face a global outcry over the disappearance of such a large group of people arrest or some some of the protesters, thereby risking making them symbols of defiance of oppression even more powerfully so than they already are. 



''POSER 5

 

A bullet has the casing and the bullet at the tip of the casing. The bullet is made of lead. When it hits the thigh bone (Femur), the tip of the bullet, which is now a amber colour hot lead, dents. The bullet showed by the lady still has straight tip. My guess is, it was shot in the air and fell down cold to the ground.

 

She displayed many cartridges or bullet casings.''


My Response: The behavior of a bullet depends on the properties of the bullet, the angle of the shot and the material it is shot at.

A bullet is capable of penetrating flesh without being dented. 

Helpful analyses of the behavior of bullets when fired may be found at the informative general interest site Quora and Wikipedia on bullets, from where this summation comes


Bullet design also affects what happens when a bullet hits an object. The way a bullet behaves when it hits a target is called 'terminal ballistics.' The make-up and density of the target material, the angle at which the bullet hits, and the speed and design of the bullet itself are all factors. Bullets are usually made to go into a target, change shape, and/or break apart. For a given material and bullet, the speed of the bullet is the main factor determining what happens.



 

''POSER 6. A bullet has the bullet at the tip and the casing attached to it.

 

The casing has gun powder in it and a primer to trigger and detach the casing from the bullet once it is released from the barrel of the gun.

 

The casing drops close to the shooter. It is only the bullet that travels to hit the target.

 

Bullet casing is proof that guns were fired, which we all saw in the video. But the video showed that the bullets were fired upward and not horizontally.''

 

My Response: The video did not show that bullets were fired upward.

 

 

 

''5. OBSERVATION:

 

DJ Switch did not look into the camera throughout the filming. A body language, which shows that one is either lying or not sure of what he/she is saying.''

 

 

My Response: You should have been there and looked into the camera as you were being shot at under fire in the dark while sending live images and voice on your phone.

 

You should also have been there and made a video after the fact as you recalled the anguish of the experience and looked more intently at the camera so as to demonstrate that you are being truthful.

 

 

''6. REQUEST:

 

a. The 15 People that were allegedly killed are not ants. They are full blooded human beings. That we have not seen videos of a pile of bodies is a mystery. I hope DJ Switch and those who carried the corpses will show us pictorial or video proofs to corroborate her story.''

 

 

My Response: You need to find out who did the shooting, thereby dispersing  the protesters and gaining  control of the murder scene.

 

Are those not the best sources to ask?

 

 

''b. I hope she would be summoned by the Lagos State Judicial Panel of Enquiry to present her video and pictorial evidences so that justice can be served to those that were killed, if it is ascertained that there were fatalities at Lekki.''

 

 

My Response: DJ Switch has presented all the evidence she has to offer.

The people who should be summed are the Lagos State governor, the commander of the troops who did the shooting and the people who put off the lights and billboard at the toll gate to explain their roles in that horror and why did what they did.

 

 

''I AM WORRIED BY THE USE OF LANGUAGE BY THOSE WHO SAT IN THEIR ROOMS OUTSIDE NIGERIA, CONSUMING VIDEOS AND PICTURES WHICH ORDINARILY WE EXPECTED YOU IN THE ADVANCED COUNTRIES TO CROSS CHECK.''

 

My Response: As is clear from the self-serving character of the poor logic you have employed in this  piece of yours, may you not be described as a defender of inhumanity, an abusers of your intellectual powers, struggling to whitewash evil?


The more you defend these horrors, the greater the likelihood their creators will be further empowered and one day do you unto you as they are doing to others.

 

 

It was done to Shiites but Shiites are a fringe and exotic brand of Nigerian Islam far from the lives of many, so it may have seemed to some. 

It was done to IPOB, but they are a renegade group of secessionists in the SE not worthy of much attention beyond the need to suppress them, so some may have thought.

 

It has now been done in the heart of Lekki, an affluent neighborhood in Nigeria's economic capital Lagos.

But the Lekki protesters  are people who had bitten off more than they could chew, asking for too much, giving the impression of trying to change the govt by making sweeping and impossible demands for  change of Nigeria's political system, though depicted as being for the benefit of all, even as their movement was hijacked by hoodlums who took advantage of their protest even though the Lekki protesters were not destructive, leading the govt to put them down, so as to prevent any further hijacking.

Anyway, who knows who really did the shooting of the protesters and even if we admit the shooting took place, how are we sure anybody was actually hit by bullets, as some views are asserting.

 

When this kind of treatment reaches your doorstep,  the understanding could be that you were once loyal but have become an inconvenience who should be removed for the good of all.

 

It is always for the good of all, these eliminations.

 

Meanwhile, the eliminators are the few who feed fat on the commonwealth meant for all. 

 

 

Thanks

 

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Toyin Adepoju:

You cannot 'prove' what ostensibly did not happen. E.g. you cannot prove that ' nothing' exists.  You can only prove that something exists.


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Eniola,

You say there was no Lekki Massacre.

Are you able to prove that?

Does the discrediting  of some  of the accounts claiming particular people were killed disprove the claim there was a massacre?

Are you able to disprove the factuality  of any claim made by Kperoqi in his article?

Does critique of Buhari equal hatred of Nigeria?

Is it not possible that Buhari, in particular, reinforced by his ideological comrades, and his govt in general, are actually enemies of Nigeria?

Rather than focus on accusations of grandstanding in response to the critical analysis of Deji Taiwo's self described analysis, why not try to counter the rebuttals made of Taiwo's analysis?

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The army shot at a packed crowd of peaceful protesters.

The video evidence shows bodies on the ground. 

An eye witness gives an estimate of the dead bodies she saw.

People remain missing after the incident, identified people whose names are given and are being searched for.

The simple laws of possibility indicates a massacre took place.

Dare Taiwo examines various evidence which he sees as supporting his theory that there was no massacre.

I demonstrate the nullity of his arguments, where he is arguing for the improbable. 

Anyone who is willing to take the word of the government that sent the army there, and the word of the army that claims it was never there, is welcome to do so and explain why.

Feel free to remain at the level of party loyalty  in the midst of a human tragedy and an assault on the soul of the nation.

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The Long Range Fallout of EndSars and the Lekki Massacre


The Lekki Massacre is a defining feature of SW politics going forward and thus could be central to the fortunes of the APC in the South-West, in the nation as a whole and perhaps for even the fortunes of the PDP, these being the two major political parties in Nigeria.

It is likely to be strategic to the future of Nigeria. 

EndSars is the latest struggle in a geopolitical  configuration fissured by various struggles for identity within or in opposition to Nigeria or for  redefining  Nigeria, struggles represented by such militant groups as the Niger Delta militants, such terrorist groups as Boko Haram and Fulani herdsmen militants and their Miyetti Allah handlers and peaceful protesters for system change as EndSars agents and peaceful agitators for referendum in the name of breaking away from Nigeria as represented by IPOB.

The Political and Military Networks Enabling the Lekki Massacre 

The levels of political and military clearance required to execute the Lekki Massacre and the far reaching ramifications of the protests in relation to the actions of various stakeholders in relation to the crisis implies that several interlocking factors were at play in the govt side and that of the protesters  in the events leading up to and after the massacre. 

    Questions About the Role of the Lagos State Governor

Is it possible for the soldiers to have been deployed to attack the protesters without the support of Sanwo-Olu, the governor of Lagos State?


          Questions About the Role of Bola Ahmed Tinubu, the Pivot of SW APC, the State and National Ruling Party

Is Sanwo-Olu's support for such an act possible without the consultation of himself and the President with Sanwo-Olu's godfather, the most powerful figure in SW politics, the pivot of SW APC, the ruling party formed largely through a merger between Buhari's CPC and Tinubu's party, a merger that eventually got Buhari the Presidency he could not have got without that alliance, seeing as in his previous failed attempts his reach never extended significantly beyond his Northern Muslim base and was defined more by the murderous fanaticism of his supporters  who massacred innocents  in revenge for his 2011 loss than by any significant ideological or strategic sophistication? 

Tinubu's increasing gradations of support for the use of force against the protesters, describing them as seeking regime change rather than political system transformation, the same transformation  that the APC had promised and which the SW intelligentsia  and politicians had championed  before the 2015 entry into Aso Rock and in the decades of the SW existence in opposition to the political centre but which was abandoned  once they reached Aso Rock in the person of VP Osinbajo bcs restructuring is anathema to their conservative right wing Northern Muslim counterparts, was therefore strategic in the choice  of a  bloody suppression of the protests particularly  at the Lekki toll gate.

      Tinubu, Civil Unrest and the Politics of 2023

               Agents of Civil Unrest as Political Instruments

                             Atiku Abubakar, Boko Haram and ''Power Must Return to the North'' 

The situation is even more delicate for Tinubu in particular bcs he is generally believed to be in almost total control of the SW, and is associated in the general mind with various issues in the region, making it comic to insist that he would be able to identify the names of people claiming he is behind EndSars as a ploy for 2023, perhaps as a form of bargaining chip used in destabilizing govt and foregrounding what he has to offer in place of the current dispensation, as Boko Haram used the ''power must return to the North'' mantra spearheaded by Atiku Abubakar in his threat of violent change bcs a Northern Muslim, represented by himself was not going to be adopted as ruling party PDP's presidential candidate and certain President eventually.

Boko Haram used this orientation in marketing themselves to the Northern Muslim populace   between their 2011 resurgence and the 2013 state of emergency when their appeal to the Northern Muslim populace had worn off.

          Muhammadu Buhari on the War Against Boko Haram as ''War Against the North'' and on Boko Haram as the Work of the 
          GEJ Led Federal Govt 

 Buhari adopted a similar strategy of taking advantage of a centre of discontent with the govt as a means of promoting what he represents by describing the  govt's war agst Boko Haram as anti-North and his description of Boko Haram at a point as the work of the GEJ led fed govt.

           Buhari and the APC's Harnessing of the Disaffection Created by Boko Haram as  Platforms for  their Own Political 
           Ambitions 

Buhari and  the APC adopted a similar strategy  in taking advantage of the carnage by Boko Haram as a means of discrediting the  GEJ govt.

           Possible Interpretations of EndSars by Some Views in Relation to Tinubu 

EndSars, as a critique  of the status quo, as representing the ideal of restructuring of the polity that Tinubu's SW base had once championed, could be seen by some as a tool by him or as fostered by him and his agents to enlarge his own appeal in the consciousness of the South.

             2023 Politics Between Tinubu's SW Base and Buhari's Northern Muslim Base

Making the situation more delicate for Tinubu is the fact that Buhari's Northern Muslim base are engaged in a game of wits with the SW as to whether or not they will fulfill the alleged promise to hand over the Presidency to them in 2023 in return for their support of Buhari in 2015 and 2019, a game of wits that looks like holding a sweet just out of reach of a child.

Handing over is done through concerted support, enabling a massive no of votes to be delivered to an agreed candidate, an alliance between the Muslim North and the SW that was strategic to Buhari's 2015 victory and which some in the SW are hoping will favour the region in 2023.

Thus, Farooq's reconstruction of the political games that led to the Lekki Massacre is plausible. 

Mental Gymnastics and the Lekki Massacre 

I salute the wisdom of the person writing this-

''To state that at least 15 people were killed in the shootings [as DJ Switch did]  is not a fact but a stupid guess, which can only appeal to a guess-work commentator like Farooq.''

I salute the  wisdom through which they are able to distinguish fact from guess work  in this instance, even though, unlike DJ Switch, they were not at the scene of the massacre.

They are so sure of their own capacities  to make accurate count of dead bodies in the darkness in the midst of the flight of deadly bullets  and the pandemonium of the scene, they refer to the projection by the participant in the scene, DJ Switch, as not only a ''guess' but a ''stupid'' one.

 At what point does a person become an enabler of inhumanity?

This same oracular figure is able to assert that it is improbable for the soldiers to have allowed DJ Switch and her compatriots to escape as witnesses.

How many could they kill and sustain the global outcry?

As it is, they are struggling to argue that the army  was never there. 

This same oracular figure is able to make a pronouncement on the forensic evidence represented by the clothing of the participant in the escape from the massacre scene, declaring that  ''Had D.J. Switch carried any person shot dead that night, the clothes she wore would have been drenched with blood of the victims, which should now be a vital evidence against the shooters'' as if he is able  to assess all possibilities in these developments. 

Our friend concludes on the standard note-  '' I believe that not a single person should be killed for exercising his/her democratic right to demonstrate'

and asserts-

 I refuse to accept Kperogi's Trumpian propagandists' various figures of 7, 12, or 15 death casualties at Lekki Toll-Gate. ''

Sir, let us know what you think is more likely and why.

toyin




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I don't know the methodology  that  you use in your fields of study, but as a Social Scientist, I go to the field  to collect data through interviews, Focus Group Discussions and others. An eye witness account of what happened on any issue  would pass for one of these methods of data collection. Despite the possibility of bias, which is usually controlled for through established procedures for validity tests, these data collection methods are reliable tools for any research.   You are free to claim that any one who disagree with you is intellectually inferior to you. In the context of he ongoing geopolitical permutations in Nigeria, I came to the conclusion that Afonja as a senior military officer of the old Oyo empire would have passed for a military intellectual, yet he sold his heritage after being bitten by subterfuge of those whose mentality  and strategies are that of  born to rule. There will always be the likes of Afonja in every generation. We had Justice George Sodeinde Sowemimo   who sentenced Chief  Awolowo despite the odds against that sentence. We had Abimbola Davies in the days of June 12 election debacle . This time will not be different. But as the Governors of the Southwest states said after their meeting on this issue on  Sunday, there are counter forces against the Afonjas of this time. Let that sinks. . 

Femi

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https://medium.com/dfrlab/nigerian-army-dismisses-lekki-toll-gate-massacre-as-fake-news-6e4665eed6d7Despite denials by the Nigerian Army, open source evidence links the presence of Nigerian soldiers at the Lekki Toll Gate at the same time as the first reports of shooting came in. Video footage also showed Lekki Toll Gate protestors, who had been peaceful in the preceding 11 days, bloodied and injured in the presence of these soldiers. ( Digital Forensic Research Lab, South Africa).
Army labeled reports of the October 20 fatal shooting of protesters as fake, despite evidence to the contrary The Nigerian Army took to Twitter on October 21, 2020 to deny reports that soldiers…

She explained that she called her other son who is in Russia and he confirmed to her that her son Mmazuo Anthony Okechukwu died from gunshot wounds.

Where have I said that a massacre did indeed happen? I have simply said that there are allegations by citizens on misconduct of the Army and some of us watched part of the events live and so can attest for what we saw Live and not via videos so attempts to discredit all the videos as photoshopped makes no sense ..e.g. we saw bullets being removed from people's bodies

Same way the unarmed protesters are not being given the benefit of the doubt, the army as well should not be given the benefit of the doubt. What makes the Army so special that we have to swallow all their contradictory stories but shred to pieces everything the unarmed protesters say or present while we wait for the story to run.

Why should the Nigerian Army that has a history of committing same atrocities as alleged be excluded from tough questions? Hasn't the Army been found guilty of killing Nigerian citizens and covering it up?

Why are civilians alone being peppered with tough questions? They claim they were attacked by their govt. and there was a clean-up and the expectation is that same civilians should provide evidence and when they do, they are ripped to shreds by armchair forensic analysts and no one is expected to ask any question of the army/govt. 

Shouldnt the protesters be afforded the same rights of "benefit of the doubt" that are being insisted for the the Army/govt? Why are casual observers turning into forensics experts  and pronouncing them guilty of lying without any proof that they are lying.

Why aren't YOU asking for proof of "the army only fired blanks", "the army fired upwards" "the videos are photoshopped" etc. that "experts" have been bandying about here as conclusive evidence even though the Army has said "no soldier was on the scene" and "videos were photoshopped" ..

Shouldn't journalists be asking hard questions of both sides even if it is a running story? Like "why were the lights turned off"?

I really struggle to understand how or why the love of one's govt has to be more important than that the love of one's fellow citizens especially in an era when we have "govt of the people, for the people, by the people" and anyone that has a contrary opinion is labelled as "enemy" or "unpatriotic" or some other label as if only one viewpoint has a monopoly on determining one's love for their country.





 



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Obinna.

I still insist the story is a running story.

You asked should Nigerian soldiers be deployed to shoot at civilians.  The clear answer is No.  But soldiers have been deployed to most states of the federation by this administration. Last night soldiers were deployed in the UK to intercept a ship carrying civilian stowaways.  Whether they shot or not would be determined by the reaction of people they found on board. They did not because the people on board did not violently resist arrest.


You asked why government should be assumed to be innocent.  I say why not?  That already implies a prejudice.  Just because a career burglar was arrested an umpteenth time does not mean he would not be given a fresh opportunity to defend itself on the latest charge and have the judge pronounce him guilty while the actual burglar on this occasion is allowed to go scot free. Its happened before in cases of miscarriage of justice.

The case why soldiers are deployed to so many states has to do with the violent nature of how many Nigerians deal with group conflict.  I am sure you are well aware of the armed bandits scenario in Nigeria and herdsmen/ farmers conflicts.  Each govt reacts differently to situations they find themselves in.

I hope you read Asiwaju Tinubu's measured response.  He is actually one of the victims who did not deserve the violence he received.  He did not say innocent protesters did that.  It is also clear soldiers did not commit the atrocities.

Let us learn to be patient.  The truth will be out. Undermining government's ability to rule by our statements thereby fanning embers of violence against the State does no one any good.  We need a government in place to prevent general chaos and ensure the safety of the majority law abiding citizens including peaceful protesters.



OAA



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Subject: Re: USA Africa Dialogue Series - Buhari’s Trumpian Propaganda to Cover Up the Lekki Massacre

https://medium.com/dfrlab/nigerian-army-dismisses-lekki-toll-gate-massacre-as-fake-news-6e4665eed6d7Despite denials by the Nigerian Army, open source evidence links the presence of Nigerian soldiers at the Lekki Toll Gate at the same time as the first reports of shooting came in. Video footage also showed Lekki Toll Gate protestors, who had been peaceful in the preceding 11 days, bloodied and injured in the presence of these soldiers. ( Digital Forensic Research Lab, South Africa).
Army labeled reports of the October 20 fatal shooting of protesters as fake, despite evidence to the contrary The Nigerian Army took to Twitter on October 21, 2020 to deny reports that soldiers…

She explained that she called her other son who is in Russia and he confirmed to her that her son Mmazuo Anthony Okechukwu died from gunshot wounds.

Where have I said that a massacre did indeed happen? I have simply said that there are allegations by citizens on misconduct of the Army and some of us watched part of the events live and so can attest for what we saw Live and not via videos so attempts to discredit all the videos as photoshopped makes no sense ..e.g. we saw bullets being removed from people's bodies

Same way the unarmed protesters are not being given the benefit of the doubt, the army as well should not be given the benefit of the doubt. What makes the Army so special that we have to swallow all their contradictory stories but shred to pieces everything the unarmed protesters say or present while we wait for the story to run.

Why should the Nigerian Army that has a history of committing same atrocities as alleged be excluded from tough questions? Hasn't the Army been found guilty of killing Nigerian citizens and covering it up?

Why are civilians alone being peppered with tough questions? They claim they were attacked by their govt. and there was a clean-up and the expectation is that same civilians should provide evidence and when they do, they are ripped to shreds by armchair forensic analysts and no one is expected to ask any question of the army/govt. 

Shouldnt the protesters be afforded the same rights of "benefit of the doubt" that are being insisted for the the Army/govt? Why are casual observers turning into forensics experts  and pronouncing them guilty of lying without any proof that they are lying.

Why aren't YOU asking for proof of "the army only fired blanks", "the army fired upwards" "the videos are photoshopped" etc. that "experts" have been bandying about here as conclusive evidence even though the Army has said "no soldier was on the scene" and "videos were photoshopped" ..

Shouldn't journalists be asking hard questions of both sides even if it is a running story? Like "why were the lights turned off"?

I really struggle to understand how or why the love of one's govt has to be more important than that the love of one's fellow citizens especially in an era when we have "govt of the people, for the people, by the people" and anyone that has a contrary opinion is labelled as "enemy" or "unpatriotic" or some other label as if only one viewpoint has a monopoly on determining one's love for their country.





 

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Intellectual Summersault in Disguise as Careful Reasoning 


''You asked should Nigerian soldiers be deployed to shoot at civilians.  The clear answer is No.  But soldiers have been deployed to most states of the federation by this administration. Last night soldiers were deployed in the UK to intercept a ship carrying civilian stowaways.  Whether they shot or not would be determined by the reaction of people they found on board. They did not because the people on board did not violently resist arrest.''

 

''The case why soldiers are deployed to so many states has to do with the violent nature of how many Nigerians deal with group conflict.  I am sure you are well aware of the armed bandits scenario in Nigeria and herdsmen/ farmers conflicts.  Each govt reacts differently to situations they find themselves in.'' - Olayinka Agbetuyi


There is practically no  relationship between the lines above and the peaceful protesters at the Lekki toll gate, armed with nothing but flags and songs as we can all see in the videos of the shooting and as we have seen in all images from that scene over the length of the Lekki toll gate protests.


Yet, the army went in there and shot point blank at them  continuously for about 30 mins,  using live ammunition, and continued the shooting even in the morning.

On who should be assumed to be innocent and acting in good faith, if it is being insisted that should be done for the govt, that should also be done for the protesters.

Abi?

Oga, people like you are why dictatorships thrive in Africa, in particular, and in some other parts of the world. So called intellectual  support from various quarters. People using their education in fostering inhumanity. 

toyin


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I didn't say the government shouldn't be assumed to be innocent.. I have been asking why ONLY the government or Army should be given the benefit of the doubt and this keeps getting avoided. Everything the protesters have put out there has been "analysed" and opinions rendered without evidence but no questions have been asked about even the few things the army has released. 

You asked me for evidence yet you never asked for proof or evidence of "the army only fired blanks", "the army fired upwards" "the videos are photoshopped" etc. that have been bandied about here, by "experts", as conclusive evidence even though the Army has also said "no soldier was on the scene" and "videos were photoshopped" .. .. why the silence? 

Listen to Sanwo-Olu admitting to CNN that soldiers were at the toll gate and they shot protesters - is he going to be asked for proof too ? Sanow-Olu, a sitting governor can't even assure that people will be held accountable yet no one should ask questions of a govt. unit that has been lying that they were not at the toll gate. 

“Baba @jidesanwoolu sore soke loudly even though your mouth shakes. The truth can't be hidden forever #EndSARS You for tell us the truth sha instead of going on CNN. The oyibo woman no send you or us. https://t.co/CQZkrCxMBJ

Don't journalists and other 3rd parties investigate running stories...  what is it about a story being a running story that restricts scrutiny to only one side?

Yes, we need to be patient but that doesn't mean that people are not free to ask questions and the only questions that can be asked must be one-sided, while there is overwhelming silence on statements or lack of statements from the army/govt?

I'm also not sure why statements like ".....undermining govts ability to rule by fanning embers of violence against the state .." have to be made in response to opinions that are simply different.. what's to say "forensic experts" that are also shooting off opinions on what happened or avoiding tough questions for the govt the aren't also fanning embers and why must every interaction be a judgment of a person or people being for or against the government or the country and what gives anyone the authority to even make that judgement?

Again, why do the rights of the govt supercede the rights of the citizens? Who works for who?

 



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from Olayinka. The use of live 
ammunition on protesters is 
unacceptable, in any
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Femi Segun

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Oga  or Aunty Obinna.
You have made your point. There is no amount of explanation that will convince those whose psychology has been normalised to oppression. I call this rationalisation of evil, which flows from the culture of low expectation.   If the Government fails to provide basic amenities, people will rationalise to say, at least despite the failure, the Government has not killed anybody. When the Government kills through the same soldiers amd polciement  that are paid to protect,, the rabid supporters of incompetent regimes will say, the killings were photoshopped. We need a new consciousness about what it means to be a citizen of a modern society. 

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Obinna.

I still maintain that its a running story and your footage of CNN corroborates that.  I dont believe that CNN has special privilege than Nigerian media that can provoke a trepidation in anyone that does think their foreigness or western orientation confers divine status on them.  

Someone else was authoritatively bandying Amnesty International's death count when the figures have not been fully authenticated.  That is premature.

Im sure you watched barrister Falana's comments supplied by Prof Falola.  I rely more on his comments than the footage and comments of either CNN or Amnesty International because I have known him for more than 40 years as reliable in an analysis of this nature ( from our student days to the parcel bomb murder of journalist Dele Giwa by Ibrahim Babangida) I also find Asiwaju Tinubu"s comments very useful.

What your contributions betrayed is your inability to factor in an armed third force firing at protesters while army officers fired blanks in the sky as the contributions of Falana and Tinubu suggest.  That is why I stated that your analysis is prejudiced from the outset.

Gov Sanwo- Olu only commented on camera shots. He wasnt there. As a trained historian I know events dont ' speak for themselves' and need to be interpreted including filmed events.

Lets wait the outcome of full investigation.


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I didn't say the government shouldn't be assumed to be innocent.. I have been asking why ONLY the government or Army should be given the benefit of the doubt and this keeps getting avoided. Everything the protesters have put out there has been "analysed" and opinions rendered without evidence but no questions have been asked about even the few things the army has released. 

You asked me for evidence yet you never asked for proof or evidence of "the army only fired blanks", "the army fired upwards" "the videos are photoshopped" etc. that have been bandied about here, by "experts", as conclusive evidence even though the Army has also said "no soldier was on the scene" and "videos were photoshopped" .. .. why the silence? 

Listen to Sanwo-Olu admitting to CNN that soldiers were at the toll gate and they shot protesters - is he going to be asked for proof too ? Sanow-Olu, a sitting governor can't even assure that people will be held accountable yet no one should ask questions of a govt. unit that has been lying that they were not at the toll gate. 

“Baba @jidesanwoolu sore soke loudly even though your mouth shakes. The truth can't be hidden forever #EndSARS You for tell us the truth sha instead of going on CNN. The oyibo woman no send you or us. https://t.co/CQZkrCxMBJ

Don't journalists and other 3rd parties investigate running stories...  what is it about a story being a running story that restricts scrutiny to only one side?

Yes, we need to be patient but that doesn't mean that people are not free to ask questions and the only questions that can be asked must be one-sided, while there is overwhelming silence on statements or lack of statements from the army/govt?

I'm also not sure why statements like ".....undermining govts ability to rule by fanning embers of violence against the state .." have to be made in response to opinions that are simply different.. what's to say "forensic experts" that are also shooting off opinions on what happened or avoiding tough questions for the govt the aren't also fanning embers and why must every interaction be a judgment of a person or people being for or against the government or the country and what gives anyone the authority to even make that judgement?

Again, why do the rights of the govt supercede the rights of the citizens? Who works for who?

 

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GE.  

I totally agree with you.  Im outraged if that is the case.  But lets wait and see.  I refuse to jump to conclusions.


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Whether Tinubu was right or not, please read this enlightening piece by Lasisi Olagunju. Aja to ma sonu, ki po ipe ode. 

Lekki: The story of Bashorun Gaa, by Lasisi Olagunju

Everything Nigeria finds impossible to do, the Lekki protesters did: Orderliness, organisation, security, equity and equality.

They forged peace and flaunted it with good music. They provided electricity for themselves to charge their phones.

Food was available; there was water for all. There was no class, no creed. Everyone was fed without favour in an atmosphere of decorum. They cleaned up their space after each day of protest.

Gaa’s cruelty in leadership, his fall and what followed birthed separatist agitations that ultimately crashed that empire. Everything within 60 years.

The sick got medicare; the scared got assurance. They cared for one another, they looked out for one another. There was no North, there was no South. There was no Muslim, no Christian.

No poor, no rich. They were all Nigerians united by the zeal to change their story.

Their security was invisible and effective. Was there a record of theft? No. There was no record of stealing. One person reportedly forgot his phone with another protester; that holder ran to the internet, raised his hand and was located by the phone owner.

They were offered bribes, they rejected bribes. They showed the bumbling leadership how to lead and lead well.

We lost that opportunity to be great using that model. Pernicious Nigeria invaded that island of calm and sanity; it hoisted its traditional flag of death and turmoil and, since then, everyone has been panting in fear and dread.

What the Asiwaju of Lagos said was worse than Buhari’s silence. He victimized the victims. Like Brutus’ dagger in Ceaser’s torso, it was the unkindest cut of them all. But such attitude is captured in recent history too.

The floodgates of anarchy are now open. Flood waters of fear now invade homes and offices, public and private. Rioting, looting and killing have replaced the songs of peace from protesters. That is what you get whenever peace is broken up with violence as our country did that Lekki assembly of young men and women. What else should those youths do? Their demands were not unreasonable. They wanted security, peace and good governance. They acted all their demands before our very eyes. They chose a captivating catchphrase: EndSARS to prove that they were a generation of deliverers.

They pursued their dream so admirably that they shamed our pretenders to governance. Through the excellent conduct of those peaceful protesters of Lekki, we saw clearly that the leaders we have are a compound failure. Even the dumb is now convinced that Abuja is a hope raiser, hope killer; smasher of hope on the hard surface of greed and hubris.

Muhammadu Buhari is the greatest of the losers here. With every failed messianic leader comes anarchy. Check history. From imperial Rome to Louis XVI’s France and back to this space, rain and thunder of bad leadership, state failure and people’s revolt are always inseparable.

There was a powerful man in history called Bashorun Gaa. He was the prime minister of Oyo empire that stretched from here to today’s Ghana. He was a people’s man who said he loathed the power and the privileges of kingship. He was an anti-corruption tzar and a defender of rights.

Samuel Johnson wrote that Gaa “had great influence with the people and a great many followers…” The people “considered themselves safe under his protection from the dread in which they stood of kings.”

The empire trusted him and distrusted their king. Slowly, steadily, he grew in fame, power and privileges. He became Kabiyesi without being an Oba. He was the sovereign, the unquestionable. And he knew it and acted it. He became a very bad man holding the land and its people in contempt and disgust. He did his things so much that everyone knew he was the very meaning of impunity.

When Gaa started his years, the empire was at the very top in prosperity and peace. Then he grew big and powerful and plunged his dagger into the belly of his people.

Freedom disappeared, first piecemeal, then completely. He was alerted that his ways won’t lead to good; first he ignored, then he silenced the counselors. He was deaf to the voice of the old and the young. He was blind to the sun setting before dusk. His gaze was on his own forehead and the magic guile that had never failed him. The empire was built on a foundation of dissent and freedom. He outlawed both. Big and small men who dared him, Gaa extinguished their fire the way the Lekki protesters had their light switched off. He was nemesis to peace and sanity and justice.

When you are king, the Yoruba say you don’t go look for money ritual again unless you want to become Olodumare (God). Gaa was more powerful than the oba but he still wanted more. History said this happened in 1774. For his rituals, he needed a deer (Agbonrin) but the prime minster picked the oba’s only daughter, Agboin, as food for his gods.

Was that not why peaceful protesters were immolated by the Nigerian state last week? The Nigerian government needed consolidation of power and elite privileges. It thus cracked down on the gathering of complainers.

Gaa murdered that princess of peace because he wanted to preserve and grow his powers, and with that, he ended his luck.

His home went up in flames; the empire rose and roasted him and his memory. Gaa’s cruelty in leadership, his fall and what followed birthed separatist agitations that ultimately crashed that empire. Everything within 60 years.

Violence and looting are not acceptable anywhere. They are condemnable and stand condemned. What happened on Saturday across Nigeria was tragic.

The looting crowd in Jos was on CNN. It is a very complicated matter. We lost our values. Nigeria failed its people. I reviewed the chaos of the last few days with an elderly friend. He showed no surprise that things deteriorated so badly. He asked me: Is it not true that if you ignore problems for so long, they often become unsolvable and come back to bite you?

Is it also not true that more than 60 percent of Nigeria’s 200 million population belong to the subset we call youths? Many of these young ones do not have education; many who have good education have no jobs, no homes, no social welfare and no hope.

Those neighborhood children you don’t care about today are the ones who would rob your home in the future as adults. Ask Northern Nigeria. It sowed the wind of Almajirai, it is harvesting the whirlwind of murderous terrorists.

Martin Luther King Jr said “a riot is the language of the unheard.” Those neighborhood children you don’t care about today are the ones who would rob your home in the future as adults. Ask Northern Nigeria. It sowed the wind of Almajirai, it is harvesting the whirlwind of murderous terrorists.

The South is experiencing youth rebellion now because it abandoned its heritage of good behaviour. Why is compassion dead in Nigeria? What has happened to the ethos we grew up with where it took a village to raise a child? When a nation grows a population of the pauperized, the forgotten and the disdained, it should expect an earthquake.

What did the Lekki protesters do to deserve bullets? Was it their message of hope or their songs of praise? Songs and music are tools of freedom; they bond the disparate and build communities of anger. That explains why 18th century slave owners in some British colonies banned drums which they characterized as weapons.

But they failed. They failed because the human spirit was built to reject oppression. Check the history of the improvised body music, Hambone. When a people feel enough is enough, they always start softly with songs, then they wail. The state cracks down on them and their music, then the poor copy the state and unleash mayhem.

Why would the Nigerian state use thugs and soldiers to attack peaceful protesters? You can’t cheat and oppress and decree silence.

Ancient Sparta had the helots, a caste of slaves who enjoyed no rights but suffered all wrongs. They rebelled.

The country called Haiti is a product of rebellion of slaves against their French owners. There was the year 1318 Peasants’ Revolt in England which won the rebellious serfs more rights and a reform of feudalism.

What history records as the French Revolution of 1789 started precisely as this EndSARS revolt. It started with hunger in homes and abundance in the palace.

Antoinette, Queen of France, was told that her subjects had no bread, and, with scorn, she said: “Let them eat cake.” Hunger and anguish ravaged the people, the palace threw lavish parties. Then followed the Great Fear (la Grande peur), the kind being felt today by Nigeria’s middle and upper classes.

There was an epidemic of hunger across France while the ruling caste dined in ostentation. Only the wise knew that the mass hunger would soon explode as anger in volcanic proportions.

Discontent with the French monarchy was widespread but still no one cared; King Louis XVI’s economic policies were as anti-poor as what you see today in Nigeria. There were poor harvests, drought and disease but the palace lived big. The people begged for reliefs and balms and got scorned.

The king responded to the misery of the people with heavy taxes as palliatives. France’s rural peasants grumbled, the monarchy ignored them; the urban poor protested peacefully, the state shot at their peace.

Desperate French citizens then stormed the Bastille, raged and razed France’s political landscape. They brought la Grande peur. Rioting, looting and killing took over the streets of France. Like Bashorun Gaa, King Louis XVI lost everything, completely.

Some scholars were asked to give a formula for leadership failure. They came up with a single word: arrogance. The arrogance of Antoinette’s ‘Let them eat cake’ was in Buhari’s ‘speechless’ speech of last Thursday. It left the hopeful hopeless.

There were shootings, death and injuries in Lekki and across other protest venues. The president’s speech writer pretended nothing happened. Senator Bola Tinubu, who was aware that Lekki had casualties was casual in dismissing them

There were shootings, death and injuries in Lekki and across other protest venues. The president’s speech writer pretended nothing happened. Senator Bola Tinubu, who was aware that Lekki had casualties was casual in dismissing them: “Those that had suffered casualties during the gunshot need to answer some questions too. How were they there? How long were they there? What kind of characters were they?” What the Asiwaju of Lagos said was worse than Buhari’s silence. He victimized the victims.

Like Brutus’ dagger in Ceaser’s torso, it was the unkindest cut of them all. But such attitude is captured in recent history too.

Uganda, Liberia, Ivory Coast. Egypt’s ex-President Hosni Mubarak suffered arrogance of power. He told anyone who cared to listen that he knew Egypt better than anyone else. His folly ultimately tumbled his plane. He was that Egyptian president blasted by the lightning of the Arab Spring.



OLAYINKA AGBETUYI

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Toyin Adepoju.

I am not a supporter of dictatorship.  I left Nigeria in disgust at dictatorship.

Oga Femi Segun:

Journalist's will have a field day because of this collective tragedy.  That is what they are paid to do.  The similarities between Antoinette, Gaha and the current administration is stretched.  This is an elected sdministration that was re- elected only last year.

I only asked for caution in speech and writing not to stoke up embers and worsen the situation.

That surely cannot be a crime.  Anyone who wants a revolution at all costs  can go back into t he streets armed.  They should leave the peaceful youths out of it!



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 thanks.. it is Obinna, the "He"  🙂 ..

I agree that no amount of explanation will do.....  It's amazing how people know that we all can see blue and yet they keep insisting that it is red and when asked pointed questions, they ignore them and keep repeating that blue is red - as if we all don't have working eyes.

When someone quickly insists on evidence for only one side of a story, supports all kinds of theories from "armchair experts", and continues to avoid questions that seek to know why the bias is so glaring, it's no surprise when we start get desperate statements suggesting that "Fashola, a sitting governor of the state, cannot know what he is talking about, when he says people were shot at the toll gate, because he was not physically present there and only watched video". We are also to ignore previous messages, where content from the protesters who were present at the location were quickly dismissed with "where is the evidence" -

I still struggle to understand why a govt must be supported blindly over its people, at all costs, regardless of the atrocities committed but I think Toyin said it best "...... this is why dictatorships thrive in Africa, in particular, and in some other parts of the world. So called intellectual support from various quarters..."

 



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OLAYINKA AGBETUYI

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Obinna.
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You contradict yourself by stating you dont understand  why a govt must be supported blindly over its people.

Every act of government agents in Lekki was clearly in support of its people against those who want to hijack a peaceful protest to rampage and terrorise the people.  All eyewitness accounts agree there were such people at Lekki and other places.  So government should fold its arms and do nothing so it can be blamed for doing nothing?


What is so difficult to understand in that?

We will await the full reports of multilateral institutions before final conclusions are made.  That is the intellectual level headed approach.  No hysteria!


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 thanks.. it is Obinna, the "He"  🙂 ..

I agree that no amount of explanation will do.....  It's amazing how people know that we all can see blue and yet they keep insisting that it is red and when asked pointed questions, they ignore them and keep repeating that blue is red - as if we all don't have working eyes.

When someone quickly insists on evidence for only one side of a story, supports all kinds of theories from "armchair experts", and continues to avoid questions that seek to know why the bias is so glaring, it's no surprise when we start get desperate statements suggesting that "Fashola, a sitting governor of the state, cannot know what he is talking about, when he says people were shot at the toll gate, because he was not physically present there and only watched video". We are also to ignore previous messages, where content from the protesters who were present at the location were quickly dismissed with "where is the evidence" -

I still struggle to understand why a govt must be supported blindly over its people, at all costs, regardless of the atrocities committed but I think Toyin said it best "...... this is why dictatorships thrive in Africa, in particular, and in some other parts of the world. So called intellectual support from various quarters..."

 

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​Femi Segun, 

The supposed eyewitness accounts of death casualties at Lekki Tollgate, in Lagos, on 20 October 2020, referenced by Farooq Kperogi was one Nigerian Artiste named D. J. Switch. An eyewitness who claimed to have picked dead bodies together with his friends and handed them over to soldiers must be able to tell, exactly, how many dead bodies were handed over to the soldiers. An eyewitness narrator cannot, and should not, as D.J. Smith has been made to say that "at least 15 people were killed in the shootings." Farooq and his D.J. Switch cannot speculate people into graves, morph whims into corpses and ask us to mourn phantoms. That stand does not make anyone intellectually inferior to me.

On Saturday, 17 October 2020, Farooq Kperogi wrote an article titled #EndSWAT/#EndSARS Youth Steamroller and Theory of Rational Ignorance. Farooq Kperogi's profile of the protesting Nigerian youths is hereby reproduced in bold capital letters by me : LIKE THE LITERAL STEAMROLLER, THIS NIGERIAN STEAMROLLER IS MASSIVE, RESOLUTE, PERSISTENT, FEARLESS, IMPLACABLE, AND DETERMINED TO CRUSH EVERYTHING AND EVERYONE THAT STANDS IN ITS WAY. ITS (YOUTH'S) CONFIDENCE IS BUOYED BY ITS LACK OF FEAR OF LOSS BECAUSE IT HAS NOTHING TO LOSE. THE VAST MAJORITY OF YOUNG NIGERIANS FEEL INDESTRUCTIBLE BECAUSE THEY HAVE ALREADY BEEN DESTROYED. YOU CAN'T DESTROY WHAT IS ALREADY DESTROYED. For Farooq to write that the #EndSARS protesting Nigerian youths are resolute, persistent, fearless, implacable, and determined to crush everything and everyone that stands in their way, he must either have had foreknowledge that the protesting youths are armed or he was indoctrinating them to engage in armed struggle with the Federal government. In that wise, no one can say for sure who actually started the shootings at Lekki Tollgate, in the evening of 20 October 2020.
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Ojogbon Femi  Segun.

Are soldiers and policemen who lost their lives in this collective tragedy in line of duties Nigerians who deserve  our sympathies or are they dispensable fodder of arguments and conflicts?( after everyone is done with blaming government)


Have you some words for them and their families?



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'Every act of government agents in Lekki was clearly in support of its people against those who want to hijack a peaceful protest to rampage and terrorise the people.  All eyewitness accounts agree there were such people at Lekki and other places.  So government should fold its arms and do nothing so it can be blamed for doing nothing?'
Olayinka Agbetuyi


 there was no evidence of violence at the Lekki toll gate protest

"We must manufacture non-existent reality in order to defend inhumanity. Who are we? We are the ones who propped up Idi Amin, Adolf Hitler and various mass murderers in the form of the state.''













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​Femi Segun,

Thank you for posting Lasisi Olagunju's Lekki : The Story of Bashorun Gaa. A story is a fiction, which is quite different from history, that is to say a chronological account or record of an event that happened in realty. There are many stories going around about what transpired at Lekki Tollgate, in Lagos on Tuesday, 20 October 2020, and every fair-minded person should take caution in rushing into judgment.

Going by Olagunju's portraits of the organisers of Lekki's action, "they (the protesters) forged peace and flaunted it with music. They provided electricity for themselves to charge their phones. Food was available; there was water for all." It seems as if #Endsars protests is all about dancing, revelry, blocking highways and inflicting pain on travellers and commuters. Can Olagunju tell us who paid for multiple of generators and the fuel they consumed to provide electricity at Lekki for recharging telephones, and who were the suppliers of free food and water sachets to Lekki protesters?
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Oluwatoyin Vincent Adepoju

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There is great wisdom here-

''For Farooq to write that the #EndSARS protesting Nigerian youths are resolute, persistent, fearless, implacable, and determined to crush everything and everyone that stands in their way, he must either have had foreknowledge that the protesting youths are armed or he was indoctrinating them to engage in armed struggle with the Federal government.''

 ''Crush'' necessarily implies force of arms, not of persuasion or compulsion through civil disobedience.  

Thus, even though the only weapons seen in the hands of the Lewki toll gate protesters were their mobile phones, they may have hidden guns on them, information Farooq would have gained through insider sources.

 Thus, even though the videos showed the soldiers shooting at a crowd of chanting youth, ''no one can say for sure who actually started the shootings at Lekki Tollgate, in the evening of 20 October 2020''as the master of inverted logic argues.

 Of course, if you are so bold as to carry dead bodies under the heat of deadly bullets flying around you in the darkness of night, you should be able to recall the exact no of bodies in the pandemonium.  

There comes a time in a debate when its vital to pull back and examine one's motivations.

Are you on the side of humanity or of an inhuman argument?

Are you defending heartless people who would have killed you had you stood in their way as the victims did?

When your role in this historic issue is recalled and perhaps invoked years later through the long memory of the Internet, would that role represent your better self?

It would seem that the time is ripe for some to ask these questions on account of their increasingly desperate withdrawal into arguments  that even a secondary  school student would not hold.

''When defenders of a government find themselves recurrent compelled to justify or excuse terrorism commited by agents enabled by that government  or to justify or argue away muders commited by that government, those defenders need to look closely at the nature of that government and see if it represents their own values''.

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toyin


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''Going by Olagunju's portraits of the organisers of Lekki's action, "they (the protesters) forged peace and flaunted it with music. They provided electricity for themselves to charge their phones. Food was available; there was water for all." It seems as if #Endsars protests is all about dancing, revelry, blocking highways and inflicting pain on travellers and commuters. ''

Of course, for someone in a different universe, where the serious and the entertaining  cannot co-exist.

''Can Olagunju tell us who paid for multiple of generators and the fuel they consumed to provide electricity at Lekki for recharging telephones, and who were the suppliers of free food and water sachets to Lekki protesters?'' [Along with raising money to uplift people in need of help, such as   raising money for  a new prosthetic leg for a one legged protester and raising money to help a woman selling groundnuts at the site to start an expanded business].

Electricity was through solar chargers, to the best of my knowledge.

Money came from donations from Nigeria and abroad, passing through the online payment channel Flutterwave, and when that was blocked by the fed govt, they used the digitial curency BitCoin, with the donations managed by the Feminist Coalition.

#EndSarsLekkiTollGate2020 is Nigeria of the future.

In retrospect, I wish I had been there. It would have been a lifetime experience.

I also anticipated the shooting, once the curfew was announced, and at least one person had earlier been killed by  govt armed forces at Mushin.

The protesters  needed to be educated about the danger they were in and possibly encouraged to pull back and restrategise.

But, some gave their lives for  what may become the end of Nigeria's current political system.

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toyin



OLAYINKA AGBETUYI

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I hope you watch the video I have just watched and stooped mouthing all these unless propaganda. It covered Akure Ilorin and other areas.  You would be happy if you learned the Oba of Lagos  has been burned alive in his palace wiont you?


I am ashamed at the low level of propagandist intelligence you bring to debates of high national significance!

People who left the high school a long time ago should reflect that in their thinking and communication.


OAA.



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Not true- 

'Every act of government agents in Lekki was clearly in support of its people against those who want to hijack a peaceful protest to rampage and terrorise the people.  All eyewitness accounts agree there were such people at Lekki and other places.  So government should fold its arms and do nothing so it can be blamed for doing nothing?'
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 there was no evidence of violence at the Lekki toll gate protest

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My focus is on the Lekki toll gate where the massacre took place.

Are you arguing for evidence of violence by protesters there?

toyin



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Again the question around hypocrisy of one sided requests for evidence is avoided ... Instead, you now blatantly state, from nowhere, that "Every act of government agents in Lekki was clearly in support of its people against those who want to hijack a peaceful protest to rampage and terrorise the people". Clear to whom?  I won't even ask you for any evidence that showed people at Lekki hijacking a peaceful protest just before the incident.

What you fail to observe is that it is very obvious that your mind is made up about what happened at Lekki, even though you say "let us await full reports" to deflect - to you, the protesting citizens can only be guilty and the army did the right thing regardless of what happened - so you continue to push that and make up things to justify your opinion.

The issue at hand has been "did soldiers shoot protesters at the Lekki Toll gate, under any circumstances" and is that acceptable?  Your early responses were to only ask for evidence from the protesters despite the clear lies of the Army.  

You are free to push whatever narrative you want to push but those of us with working eyes can see red and know it's red no matter how many times someone says it's blue. 

I'll leave you again with the link to a video of the Chief security office of Lagos state, saying "yes, the Army shot protesters at the Lekki Toll gate" - maybe we can wonder which photoshopped videos he watched and why the Chief security officer of a state would be making such a false but damning statement against the Nigerian Army from only watching videos as you claimed,  



 



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OLAYINKA AGBETUYI

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Yes.  The police who were being taunted and being asked to leave would not wait till they were physically manhandled and events degenerate before they radio-ed for assistance.  

By law they were supposed to be present at sites of protests as happens in all civilised societies to ensure there was no breakdown of law and order yet here they were being asked by 'peaceful protesters' ( in jeering songs) to leave their duty posts.

OAA

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I have seen other videos presented by the Moderator. It shows provocative acts toward the police at Lekki.

But I still ask wait patiently for the comprehensive report.


OAA



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Again the question around hypocrisy of one sided requests for evidence is avoided ... Instead, you now blatantly state, from nowhere, that "Every act of government agents in Lekki was clearly in support of its people against those who want to hijack a peaceful protest to rampage and terrorise the people". Clear to whom?  I won't even ask you for any evidence that showed people at Lekki hijacking a peaceful protest just before the incident.

What you fail to observe is that it is very obvious that your mind is made up about what happened at Lekki, even though you say "let us await full reports" to deflect - to you, the protesting citizens can only be guilty and the army did the right thing regardless of what happened - so you continue to push that and make up things to justify your opinion.

The issue at hand has been "did soldiers shoot protesters at the Lekki Toll gate, under any circumstances" and is that acceptable?  Your early responses were to only ask for evidence from the protesters despite the clear lies of the Army.  

You are free to push whatever narrative you want to push but those of us with working eyes can see red and know it's red no matter how many times someone says it's blue. 

I'll leave you again with the link to a video of the Chief security office of Lagos state, saying "yes, the Army shot protesters at the Lekki Toll gate" - maybe we can wonder which photoshopped videos he watched and why the Chief security officer of a state would be making such a false but damning statement against the Nigerian Army from only watching videos as you claimed,  



 

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Obinna.
.

You contradict yourself by stating you dont understand  why a govt must be supported blindly over its people.

Every act of government agents in Lekki was clearly in support of its people against those who want to hijack a peaceful protest to rampage and terrorise the people.  All eyewitness accounts agree there were such people at Lekki and other places.  So government should fold its arms and do nothing so it can be blamed for doing nothing?


What is so difficult to understand in that?

We will await the full reports of multilateral institutions before final conclusions are made.  That is the intellectual level headed approach.  No hysteria!


OAA.



Mr. President you took an oath to rule according to the Constitution.

Where are the schools to promote the teaching of the country"s lingua francas?



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 thanks.. it is Obinna, the "He"  🙂 ..

I agree that no amount of explanation will do.....  It's amazing how people know that we all can see blue and yet they keep insisting that it is red and when asked pointed questions, they ignore them and keep repeating that blue is red - as if we all don't have working eyes.

When someone quickly insists on evidence for only one side of a story, supports all kinds of theories from "armchair experts", and continues to avoid questions that seek to know why the bias is so glaring, it's no surprise when we start get desperate statements suggesting that "Fashola, a sitting governor of the state, cannot know what he is talking about, when he says people were shot at the toll gate, because he was not physically present there and only watched video". We are also to ignore previous messages, where content from the protesters who were present at the location were quickly dismissed with "where is the evidence" -

I still struggle to understand why a govt must be supported blindly over its people, at all costs, regardless of the atrocities committed but I think Toyin said it best "...... this is why dictatorships thrive in Africa, in particular, and in some other parts of the world. So called intellectual support from various quarters..."

 

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OLAYINKA AGBETUYI

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Toyin Adepoju I want you to focus on the report filed by  the lady in blue dress who introduced how demonstrators were ' peacefully' asking the police to leave and not perform their lawful  constitutional duties  by protesters at Lekki and I provide screenshot to assist you.

If Buhari had not acted swiftly and summarily and lives of dignitaries in Lagos were lost the SW will again face a repetition of the Fashoranti Daughters scenario where the President would be accused of not caring.


OAA


OAA
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OLAYINKA AGBETUYI

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Obinna.

Many people allege cameras were removed so no one would see the atrocities.  The man you asked me to watch said cameras were there which they relied on to see men in uniform.

Which one are we to believe?


OAA



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Again the question around hypocrisy of one sided requests for evidence is avoided ... Instead, you now blatantly state, from nowhere, that "Every act of government agents in Lekki was clearly in support of its people against those who want to hijack a peaceful protest to rampage and terrorise the people". Clear to whom?  I won't even ask you for any evidence that showed people at Lekki hijacking a peaceful protest just before the incident.

What you fail to observe is that it is very obvious that your mind is made up about what happened at Lekki, even though you say "let us await full reports" to deflect - to you, the protesting citizens can only be guilty and the army did the right thing regardless of what happened - so you continue to push that and make up things to justify your opinion.

The issue at hand has been "did soldiers shoot protesters at the Lekki Toll gate, under any circumstances" and is that acceptable?  Your early responses were to only ask for evidence from the protesters despite the clear lies of the Army.  

You are free to push whatever narrative you want to push but those of us with working eyes can see red and know it's red no matter how many times someone says it's blue. 

I'll leave you again with the link to a video of the Chief security office of Lagos state, saying "yes, the Army shot protesters at the Lekki Toll gate" - maybe we can wonder which photoshopped videos he watched and why the Chief security officer of a state would be making such a false but damning statement against the Nigerian Army from only watching videos as you claimed,  



 

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Obinna.
.

You contradict yourself by stating you dont understand  why a govt must be supported blindly over its people.

Every act of government agents in Lekki was clearly in support of its people against those who want to hijack a peaceful protest to rampage and terrorise the people.  All eyewitness accounts agree there were such people at Lekki and other places.  So government should fold its arms and do nothing so it can be blamed for doing nothing?


What is so difficult to understand in that?

We will await the full reports of multilateral institutions before final conclusions are made.  That is the intellectual level headed approach.  No hysteria!


OAA.



Mr. President you took an oath to rule according to the Constitution.

Where are the schools to promote the teaching of the country"s lingua francas?



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 thanks.. it is Obinna, the "He"  🙂 ..

I agree that no amount of explanation will do.....  It's amazing how people know that we all can see blue and yet they keep insisting that it is red and when asked pointed questions, they ignore them and keep repeating that blue is red - as if we all don't have working eyes.

When someone quickly insists on evidence for only one side of a story, supports all kinds of theories from "armchair experts", and continues to avoid questions that seek to know why the bias is so glaring, it's no surprise when we start get desperate statements suggesting that "Fashola, a sitting governor of the state, cannot know what he is talking about, when he says people were shot at the toll gate, because he was not physically present there and only watched video". We are also to ignore previous messages, where content from the protesters who were present at the location were quickly dismissed with "where is the evidence" -

I still struggle to understand why a govt must be supported blindly over its people, at all costs, regardless of the atrocities committed but I think Toyin said it best "...... this is why dictatorships thrive in Africa, in particular, and in some other parts of the world. So called intellectual support from various quarters..."

 

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Great thanks, Olayinka, for that correlation between peacefully asking the police to leave a peaceful protest scene, if such a request was made in the first place, and the context in which Fashoranti's daughter was killed on a stretch of road that had long been terrorized  by kidnappers and bandits  associated with Fulani herdsmen, a group placed above the law by Buhari as they terrorized  the entire nation.

I salute you.

Is there anyway of  asking him  to be decisive about Fulani herdsmen's terrorism and their Miyetti Allah coordinators  and spokespeople?

thanks

toyin

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If the police were guarding Miyetti Allah demonstrators and the group asked the police to leave there might be a correlation.  But you are actually implying Miyetti Allah and the police in fact see eye to eye meaning they are not perceived as a terrorist group.

So I dont see the correlation.

Oluwatoyin Vincent Adepoju

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im only asking how he can be become decisive over real security choices, not shooting unarmed, peaceful young people.


Salimonu Kadiri

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​Sentimentalists think with their hearts while realists think with their brains. The former deal with wishful achievements while the latter deal with hard facts. For a sentimentalist, plain truth or fact can catch up with him/her without realising it. For expressing my disbelief that Farooq Kperogi's narrator, D.J. Switch, actually delivered dead bodies of protesters said to be shot dead by soldiers to soldiers at Lekki Tollgate, on 20 October 2020, Oluwatoyin Vincent Adepoju tried to ridicule my disbelief with sarcasm. Hear him, "Of course, if you are so bold as to carry dead bodies under the heat of deadly bullets flying around you in the darkness of night, you should be able to recall the exact no (number) of bodies in the pandemonium." Normally, when shootings started everyone in the crowd had to scamper for safety but on the contrary, Mrs. D.J. Switch claimed to have collected the bodies of dead victims of the shootings, together with her co-survivors, and handed them over to the soldiers. If this were true, she must be able to tell us how many dead bodies she delivered to soldiers at the scene, instead of telling us that 'at least 15 people were killed in the shootings.' So Mr. Adepoju's sarcasm ended up corroborating my belief that Mrs. D.J. Switch was only trying to act a heroine that she was not without realizing it. Since those that were shot dead which she carried to the soldiers were not bloodless, she should be able to show the clothes she wore at the incident drenched with the victim's blood as evidence. 

Mr. Adepoju proceeded to ask me, "Are you on the side of humanity or of inhuman argument? Are you defending heartless people who would have killed you (if) you had stood in their way as the victims did?" When I started writing the series, ARISE O NIGERIANS, it was because I felt Nigerians were passive onlookers to those who are dehumanising them by stealing funds appropriated for their socio-economic welfare developments. I was on part VII when #EndSARS protests started. Therefore, where I stand about the inhuman living conditions under which Nigerians and, in fact, all Africans have been subjected to live by our so-called leaders, is not a secrete to anyone who ever cared to read what I have been writing. Inhuman treatment of Nigerians by every administration in Nigeria did not start with Buhari's government and since yesterday's rogues are preening like peacocks in Nigeria's street unpunished, the current crooks are undeterred to steal. While wailing on current Lekki incident, where were you in March 2014 when over 20 Nigerian jobseekers were trampled to death? If you have forgotten, may I remind you that the Minister of Interior under your beloved brother, President Goodluck Ebelechukwu Jonathan, was Abba Morro who had arranged recruitment into the Nigerian Immigration Service (NIS) for 4,000 vacancies. However, 675,675 application forms were sold at non-refundable N1,000 to each applicant who were to take part in written recruitment examination. The examination centres throughout Nigeria were jam-parked on the examination date and in the ensuing stampede, over 20 Nigerian youths were crushed to death. Subsequent investigations showed that the contract for the recruitment examination was awarded to a firm named Drexel Technical Nigerian Limited, which was not qualified to handle such a contract because, according to the law, it was not registered with Corporate Affairs Commission (CAS). The 675 million, 675 thousand naira, realised from the sales of forms were shared by the Minister of Interior, Abba Moro, the Permanent Secretary in the Ministry of Interior, Mrs. Anastasia Daniel-Nwobia, a Director in the Ministry of Interior, Mr. Felix O. Alayebami and a Hausa man who owned the firm, Drexel Tech Nigeria Limited. It was said that the Hausa man withdrew over N300 million from the sales of the forms and disappeared into thin air. It was not until February 2016 that Mr. Moro and his two accomplices were charged to court for fraud. They have since been granted bail by the Court and as usual their cases remain inconclusive. The over 20 innocent Nigerian youths died for nothing and the heart of Mr. Adepoju did not bleed because the president under whose watch the lives of over 20 Nigerians were wasted belonged to Mr. Adepoju's beloved PDP.

Finally, you wrote, "It would seem that the time is ripe for some to ask these questions on account of their increasingly desperate withdrawal into arguments that even a secondary school student would not hold." The type of educational prowess you lay claim to above was evaluated in pidgin English by the late Pa Michael Imodu thus, "A no go school, i better for me, because people wey e go school, e no get sense and na them de for government. If people wey e go school get sense, Nigeria e no go be like this."  
S. Kadiri       


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Femi Segun

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'; The over 20 innocent Nigerian youths died for nothing and the heart of Mr. Adepoju did not bleed because the president under whose watch the lives of over 20 Nigerians were wasted belonged to Mr. Adepoju's beloved PDP.' Alagba Salimonu Kadiri. 
Now I can see that all the tirades are borne out of sympathy for a political party whose members and key functionaries largely migrated from the party that has been blamed ad infinitum for the  current woes of Nigeria. My question remains, is there any difference between the APC and the PDP? Why are people splitting hairs over two associations largely made up of vampires, who are superintending over a people whose values have been largely destroyed by lack of exemplary examples of public minded leaders? And for a quick reminder, nobody organized a party for the clueless Jonathan when his Minister of Interior presided over the death of the 20 desperate Nigerians looking for an opportunity to at least write a test for a job position that might have been filled through the back door. I will push my thesis from relativization of evil to comparison of evil-when an evil is committed by the government that some people support, that evil can be condoned or should be condoned but when the same is committed by the government that some oppose, then all manner of excuses and rationalization are provided to explain the evil away. If indeed there is that understanding that the humanity of Nigerians has been serially assaulted by callous and rapacious ruling elites, there is no reason to celebrate or continue to defend this regime, of which the lead representative-GMB has been part of the problem since the 1960s. Defending him for any reason and for all reason as Alagba Salimonu Kadiri  has been doing for the past five years amounts to invariably contributing to the continuation of that dehumanization-what a contradiction. The Arise O Nigerians series are worth the read but when the youth heed the call either by accident or by design, we are here defending the government who rolled out tanks to crush people for making a just demand for long overdue reforms.  But the joy is that the journey has started.  I often tell my students that from the history of revolutions, they are never planned. They  happen spontaneously . We must also be clear that the problem with Nigeria is not only about leadership as Achebe noted in his book, the Trouble  with Nigeria, many of the citizens are as guilty as the leaders that they are adept at criticising. Just think of the corruption in the civil service, admission racketeering in many  universities,  the suppression of talents across the board, etc. The revolution that we need should be all encompassing and it must involve all. Value reorientation,  making room for differences in talents and ensuring that institutions work. I rest my case here.
Femi Segun.

Oluwatoyin Vincent Adepoju

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Hmmmmmm..... the horror of the application form episode.

Truly terrible.

The nation wide massacres by Fulani herdsmen militia...horror upon horror...we know those who support the perpetrators even as these perpretaors boast in public about their bloodthirsty exploits.

How does one reconcile support for terrorists with an essay series claiming to ask Nigerians to rise agst oppression?

A paradox truly Nigerian in the era of Buhari, support of whom often goes hand in hand with the struggle to defend the inhuman, the inhuman being a signature identification with that character whom the likes of Soyinka are yet to adequately explain why they helped him to return to power after decades of opposition to him.

Opinion leaders should be challenged to justify their opinions, even as they have a right to hold them.

Thanks to Femi Segun, even if he does not identify with my views.

For the record, I have little or no faith in either PDP or APC.

They embody values responsible for why the country is not working adequately for it's people.



OLAYINKA AGBETUYI

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Oga Femi Segun.

You are right in at least supposition. Toyin Adepoju does not care about any parties ( because he clearly stated as much on this forum) because he thinks there is no difference between the two major parties.

What he cares most about is where the leaders come from. Again this is attested to by his comments on this forum.  His greatest disappointment with the presidential contest in 2019 was that it produced two Northern Fulani leaders as the main contenders.  So for him there was no choice to be made.


But contrary to your thinking revolutions are indeed planned.  At least the two best known French and Russian revolutions.  From my own experience as  A Level student we were taught of the activities of the physiocrats, the philosophes and the Enlightenment on the decision to embark on the French Revolution.  I on my part also taught A Level students and university undergraduates ( up to final year thesis level supervision) the impact of the preparation for revolution in France and Russia and post revolution realities.  Yes, if revolutions were not planned what you have is uncoordinated chaos. If it is coordinated, then there is a level of planning somewhere and it can only be successful if planned  objectives are realised.  

Lenin and his collaborators literally spent decades planning the Russian Revolution during which he was exiled only to be sneaked back in on the eve of the revolution ( in a memorable train scene recreated by Sean Connery in one of his roles as James Bond.)

Perhaps what you meant is that the final H- hour is unknown ( and initial course of actions) until precipitatory events ignite them.

What the Nigerian majors in January 1966 called their revolution was well planned to the extent that writers like Okigbo and Achebe (  wrote in advance of the impending event) with a large swathe of the Nigerian intelligentsia knew about the eventuality that it was common place that it was no longer a matter of if but when.

It was not successful because it was botched because some of the planners wanted the casualties to exclude their own people.  Thus it degenerated to ethnic cleansing.


OAA



Mr. President, you took an oath to rule according to the Constitution.

Where are the schools to promote the teaching of the country's lingua francas?



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'; The over 20 innocent Nigerian youths died for nothing and the heart of Mr. Adepoju did not bleed because the president under whose watch the lives of over 20 Nigerians were wasted belonged to Mr. Adepoju's beloved PDP.' Alagba Salimonu Kadiri. 
Now I can see that all the tirades are borne out of sympathy for a political party whose members and key functionaries largely migrated from the party that has been blamed ad infinitum for the  current woes of Nigeria. My question remains, is there any difference between the APC and the PDP? Why are people splitting hairs over two associations largely made up of vampires, who are superintending over a people whose values have been largely destroyed by lack of exemplary examples of public minded leaders? And for a quick reminder, nobody organized a party for the clueless Jonathan when his Minister of Interior presided over the death of the 20 desperate Nigerians looking for an opportunity to at least write a test for a job position that might have been filled through the back door. I will push my thesis from relativization of evil to comparison of evil-when an evil is committed by the government that some people support, that evil can be condoned or should be condoned but when the same is committed by the government that some oppose, then all manner of excuses and rationalization are provided to explain the evil away. If indeed there is that understanding that the humanity of Nigerians has been serially assaulted by callous and rapacious ruling elites, there is no reason to celebrate or continue to defend this regime, of which the lead representative-GMB has been part of the problem since the 1960s. Defending him for any reason and for all reason as Alagba Salimonu Kadiri  has been doing for the past five years amounts to invariably contributing to the continuation of that dehumanization-what a contradiction. The Arise O Nigerians series are worth the read but when the youth heed the call either by accident or by design, we are here defending the government who rolled out tanks to crush people for making a just demand for long overdue reforms.  But the joy is that the journey has started.  I often tell my students that from the history of revolutions, they are never planned. They  happen spontaneously . We must also be clear that the problem with Nigeria is not only about leadership as Achebe noted in his book, the Trouble  with Nigeria, many of the citizens are as guilty as the leaders that they are adept at criticising. Just think of the corruption in the civil service, admission racketeering in many  universities,  the suppression of talents across the board, etc. The revolution that we need should be all encompassing and it must involve all. Value reorientation,  making room for differences in talents and ensuring that institutions work. I rest my case here.
Femi Segun.

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Salimonu Kadiri

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Arise O Nigerians series are worth the read but when the youth heed the call either by accident or by design, we are here defending the government who rolled out tanks to crush people for making a just demand for long overdue reforms - Femi Segun. For the mere fact that I disbelieved the supposedly eyewitness account of D.J. Switch should not imply that I support the shooting of #EndSARS protesters if it is proved that soldiers were actually present at Lekki Tollgate on the evening of 20 October 2020. Hitherto, there is no evidence to support the heroine role she ascribed to herself e.g., showing of blood-stained clothes she wore while carrying dead bodies of people shot by soldiers(?) to soldiers, and the pictures of the bodies of the, at least (?) 15, shot dead.

It would appear as if you intentionally misread or misunderstood what Arise O Nigerians is all about. Otherwise, you should have read the following in my response to Oluwatoyin Vincent Adepoju, "Inhuman treatment of Nigerians by every administration in Nigeria did not start with Buhari's government and since yesterday's rogues are preening like peacocks in Nigeria's streets unpunished, the current crooks are undeterred to steal." If the youths have heeded my call, they would have allied themselves with Buhari's government to protest against the Judiciary for failing to adjudicate expeditiously on cases of corruption. Afterall, it is the failure of the corrupt judiciary to convict state robbers that is breeding characters not only in SARS but all other rogue officials in Nigeria irrespective of if they are, elected, selected, appointed, or employed. By the way, where was Nigerians sense of revulsion when the Supreme Court, in May 2020, nullified the conviction of the former Abia State Governor, (1999-2007), Orji Uzor Kalu, by the High Court in December 2019, on the ground that a wrong Judge pronounced the right sentence? The theft charge of N7.2 billion from Abia State against Kalu had been ongoing since July 2007 and he is just one out of hundreds of such cases. Orji Uzor Kalu, a former PDP Governor of Abia State, is now an APC Senator and what can Buhari do, personally, to prevent that without being branded a dictator? To me, #EndSARS protesters are just holding the fish by the tail contrary to a Yoruba aphorism that counsels a wise person to always hold the fish by the head (ológbón d'orí eja mú, òmùgò dí ìrù è mú).
S. Kadiri


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Oluwatoyin Vincent Adepoju

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EndSARS protesters advised  by writer of "Arise ONigerians" to ally with Buhari's govt....

Would Buhari help them engage in medical  tourism outside Nigeria  as he does even as the huge budget for Aso Rock clinic is described as not evident on the state of the clinic, even as the clinic is described as having a bigger budget than the country's teaching hospitals?

Would he help them set up a terrorist group like Miyetti Allah and it's Fulani herdsmen militia, giving them financial and policy support even as they publicly declare their power of life and death over Nigerians?

Would he support them in establishing themselves as commander in chief unable to subdue the Islamic terrorism he was largely voted in to address on account of his military record, but busies himself with absorbing the terrorists into the army, even as he is busy in his other job as petroleum minister overseeing the cash flow represented by oil licences?

So many feet of clay have been revealed through EndSARS.

Much fine talk flowed from various people until the real thing emerged.

Thanks

Toyin


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