Africans Doing What They Do Well: Mutual Destruction, as they Fight Like Ants for Crumbs as Others Explore Space and Transform the World: APC Gathers Momentum in Nigeria

[Oluwatoyin Adepoju]

APC Record in Less than One Month of President BAT's Term

1. Problematic fuel subsidy removal and without protection for Nigerians by BAT.

2. APC Lagos, BAT's home base, announcement of plans to secure commercial capital  Lagos for Lagosians,  and revoke as many land, economic and perhaps social rights as possible that  non-indigenes have gained.

3. Prominent BAT ally El Rufai declares that BAT's victory is a stepping stone to Muslim dominance of Nigeria through an alliance between Northern and Southern Muslims, the latter represented by BAT. 

See video below

[Oyeniyi Bukola Adeyemi]

There we go again. 

"CAN has been silenced". Yes,  El-Rufai is right.

What was CAN spewing during the electioneering campaign? Were Christians not seeing fake visions, with some declaring that if Tinubu wins, he - Tinubu- will die before inauguration? 

Some claimed that the next President's name was in the Bible. They forgot that Tola and Abija were also in the Bible. 

Were CAN and its members' fake visions not truly silenced?

El-Rufai's sin is saying the truth. Whoever said it, CAN has been disgraced, humiliated, and rendered useless. 

What was PFN and CAN doing during Jonathan's presidency? Were they not laying hands on GEJ and calling hellfire on Buhari?

Were they not neck-deep in commercializing the fight against Boko Haram? 

With Buhari's victory over Boko Haram, one of CAN's cash cows, was CAN not eventually silenced after all?

For me, all these shenanigans and the noise the discredited and partisan Nigerian media is making does not worth anything. 

For 8 years, the news of Islamising Nigeria rend the air. Buhari left office few days ago and as at this moment, Nigeria remained a secular nation. So, whatever is said by El-Rufai, the fact remains that we have seen and heard all these before. 

Heating up Nigeria serves no purpose.

Tinubu has won the election and has been sworn in. Whoever and whichever group is angered by these could as well 'hug a transformer'.

Enough of these unnecessary heating up of the nation. 

OBA

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[Oluwatoyin Adepoju]

APC Record in Less than One Month of President BAT's Term

1. Problematic fuel subsidy removal and without protection for Nigerians by BAT.

2. APC Lagos, BAT's home base, announcement of plans to secure commercial capital  Lagos for Lagosians,  and revoke as many land, economic and perhaps social rights as possible that  non-indigenes have gained.

3. Prominent BAT ally El Rufai makes a speech being interpreted as indicating  that BAT's victory is a stepping stone to Muslim dominance of Nigeria through an alliance between Northern and Southern Muslims, the latter represented by BAT. 

See video below and transcripts of two parts of the  speech by Premium Times

Transcript of First Part of Speech from Premium Times

Transcript of Second Part of Speech from Premium Times

[Oluwatoyin Adepoju]

has Buhari actually defeated Boko Haram?

asking sincerely

im also puzzled about how Boko Haram could be a cash cow for CAN

In the edited reporting of this post i have provided transcripts of the speech by premium times 

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[Oyeniyi Bukola Adeyemi]

Oh, are these now the issues of most importance?

Anyway, terrorism is a phenomenon that no nation has successfully and completely wiped out. For instance, the IRA was incorporated into governance and, since then,  their activities ended. It existed today as an ideology and occasionally showed in different guises. Senderos Luminoso in Peru, al-Queda in the Middle East, etc.  remain largely ideologies. Were they as active as before?

Scholars of terrorism and counterterrorism have submitted that terrorism cannot be wiped out by extermination and that only management does the job. When was the last time Boko Haram attacked anyone in Nigeria or other nations? Is Boko Haram the same as before? When we recall that Obasanjo degraded the Nigerian Army to prevent coup plots and, despite that Boko Haram kidnapped Jonathan inside Aso Rock and prevented him from the October 1 celebration, in the last one year, how many attacks were recorded by Boko Haram?

The ideology remains but the group's cohesiveness, it's capacity to organize, to attack, etc. have been degraded by Buhari. Most Nigerians do not see this for what it is,  a feat. Let us leave aside political statements, Buhari did Boko Haram in and broke its ranks. This is the classic way other nations have put an end or effectively managed terrorism. Not even the US has wiped out either a local or global terrorist group. 

It is not surprising to read your question on CAN, as most Nigerian Christians considered platitudes like "Islamising Nigeria" since Babangida changed Nigeria's observer status in the 80s. Platitudes help in cementing conspiracy theories and good for leading only imbeciles.  

Many Nigerian Christians need be reminded that Chief Bola Ige, Solomon Lar, and others played roles in how the Alkali Courts became a part of our legal system. The reports of the various constitutional conferences that ushered in the 1979 constitution are there for all to read. So, if Babangida changed our observer status at the OIC, Christians smuggled in Alkali Court into our Constitution. 

The last time i checked,  Ige, Lar, Okadigbo, etc. were all Christians. Were they also not members of CAN?

I am surprised that you did not know how Pastor Ayo Oritsajefor, the leader of PFN, played the role of a "carrier" in the business of arms dealership for Boko Haram? Who owned and made available the plane impounded in South Africa and what was the content of the plane? Did CAN ever come out to denounce the PFN boss?

In a social media post, I noted that Igbos who kept silent when Nnamdi Kanu was directing his people in the burning of Lagos State during the #EndSARS were rising a phenomenon called "guilt by association". CAN and PFN, as structures and institutions, are guilty by association not only for lending support to Pastor Ayo and his plane-load of arms dollars, but also for keeping silent when Oyedepo was cursing anyone who voted for Buhari and later when other members of CAN were dishing out fake visions on Tinubu.

Whatever anyone, including Premium Times, has to say on Tinubu's emergence,  El-Rufai and the Muslim-Muslim ticket, and the entire gamut of Islamising Nigeria is not new and only a fool will take it seriously. Any Yoruba historian that worths his or her badge would confirm that even Samuel Johnson made similar claim in his "History of the Yorubas...." 

To date, no such thing has happened. Is it because the plan failed or because no such plan existed in the first place?

I rest. 

OBA

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[Oluwatoyin Adepoju]

Thanks for the clarification

On Boko Haram 

Boko Haram has been degraded but can’t be fully defeated bcs terrorism can’t be fully defeated you hold

I believe we can both agree that your assertions are controversial particularly when you try to provide a global survey of terrorism integrating different kinds of terrorist groups on different geo political contexts and even adding the unsustainable argument about struggles of the US against terrorism on its own soil

On CAN Boko Haram Northern Muslim Politics 

You have also clarified your description of Boko Haram as the cash cow of CAN by making a reference that  accepts a most improbable account  describing arms as being bought for Boko Haram using a CAN leaders plane when the more reasonable explanation is that the CAN leaders plane was a means of ferrying arms required for the anti Boko Haram war at a time when Nigeria had been blacklisted from buying arms through normal channels on account of the politicization of the struggle by such elements in the Muslim North as Muhammadu Buhari who declared that the war against Boko Haram is war against the North and ex Adamawa state governor Murtala Nyako publicly arguing the same case

It is interesting that in the long and complex political and military history of the Boko Haram struggle the emergency arms ferrying incident is what you have seized upon declaring it as demonstration of Boko Haram as cash cow of CAN a perspective ignoring the social and ideological roots of Boko Haram and its deep entanglement in Northern Muslim politics in which even the PDP chairman in GEJs time at an early stage described the group as freedom fighters

On Fulani Supremacist Terrorism

Miyetti Allah and the Buhari Govt 

I wonder though what your views are on the rise of violent Fulani herdsmen and Fulani militia terrorism across the nation with recurrent massacres of Nigerians justified by Miyetti Allah as the Buhari govt aided the terrorists directly and indirectly leading to bandit splinter groups becoming lords even in the North the tiger having escaped from the tiger controller as I see that history

Premium Times Translation and El Rufai  

I’m puzzled about your response to Premium Times

All they did was translate and print El Rufai’s speech 

They did not add a commentary

Are you indicating they are misquoting him

As it is the man himself has maintained what may be described as a contemptuous silence

Levels of Islamization  

You need better understanding of the term Islamization in the context of Islamic history 

It does not have to mean conversion to Islam 

It can simply mean the reduction of non Muslims to second class citizens 

That is the vision being preached by El Rufai 

El Rufus Interpreting BATs Presidential Victory as a Muslim Victory?

See the scenario

All kinds of people voted for BAT people of all religions 

Now a key BAT ally from the Muslim North has come out to present that victory as a Muslim ascendancy 

Don’t you think such a persons vision should be formally disowned by APC and protested against by BATs SW

Should there not be an outcry against such a narrow vision

Yet here you are refusing to look El Rufai in the eye 

Contrastive Kinds of Islam 

Many Southern Nigerians don’t understand Muslim fanaticism of the kind Rufai is demonstrating 

Like you some think it’s simply politics as usual

They think the kind of Islam in Yorubaland which embraces multi culturalism and is accommodating of different faiths at all times is the same as that of such figures 

Both Muslims and Christians are among the most prominent political figures in the SW

To what degree is that so in the Muslim North

Brother sleep with one eye open  

Tiers of Nigerian Politics 

The various tiers of Nigerian politics remain intact 

Struggle for ethno religious dominance by Northern Muslim supremacists across party lines

Struggle for control of the polity by Northern and Southern politicians across party lines

Struggle for ethnic centered control of states and local govts across party lines 

People centered vision unifying the nation 

In scarce supply

On Kanu and EndSars

I recall you posted a video described as showing Kanu urging Igbos to burn places in Lagos during EndSars

I tried to watch the video but it seemed to be taking a long time to get to the part in question and I could not sustain my patience with the wait 

Kanu is quoted as long insisting that he made no such broadcast 

It’s also been alleged that it’s the govt who was responsible for the destruction so as to tarnish the demonstration 

I see you presenting speculation as fact and even then without demonstrating a grasp of the scope of the complex issues on which you are pronouncing so confidently

Thanks 

Toyin

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[Cornelius Hamelberg]

“Took a stranger to teach me, to look into justice's beautiful face

And to see an eye for an eye and a tooth for a tooth” (Dylan: I and I) 

 Now, please regard me and not a Palestinian as that “stranger” directing your attention to justice’s beautiful face, and to see an eye for an eye and a tooth for a tooth, the meaning to be caught here being equality before the law - that your tooth, and the Fulani Herdsman’s tooth and President Tinubu’s presidential tooth are of equal value, and his tooth should not be regarded as being more expensive or more precious to him than yours is to you, or more precious than my poor man’s tooth is to me, in other words, all teeth are equal. 

So, as a “stranger” (ger), who really doesn’t have a dog in this fight, please permit me to claim impartiality, neutrality, and a lack of bias in my approach to this matter. 

Just the other day, Oluwatoyin Vincent Adepoju of Edo State was waxing hope-full in this forum with these kind words to me: “ Thanks too for your continual commentary on international affairs, in this instance, the Israeli/Palestinian conflict and the Russia-Ukraine war, helping to keep one sensitive to the struggles of our fellow humans though distant from one. May humanism prevail in these struggles.”

Ostensibly, straightforward and forthright, there's nothing benevolent, benign, optimistic, altruistic, or humane in Oluwatoyin’s latest headline  “ Africans Doing What They Do Well: Mutual Destruction, as they Fight Like Ants for Crumbs as Others Explore Space and Transform the World: APC Gathers Momentum in Nigeria” all of which is supposed to signal the sordid story of man’s inhumanity to his fellow man in this case, nothing to do with the Israel-Palestinian conflict, or Ukraine & NATO versus Russia, this time it’s on the domestic front of Oluwatoyin’s mother and fatherland Nigeria.

Now if God forbid, it was Donald J.Trump that was blaspheming, spouting and spitting fresh words of  disdain for shithole countries and talking about “Africans Doing What They Do Well: Mutual Destruction, as they Fight Like Ants for Crumbs as Others Explore Space and Transform the World”, then Oluwatoyin Vincent Adepoju would have been at the forefront of those foaming at the mouth, shouting “RACISM” “ Racist dog!”, demanding an apology, and asking Mr.Trump to answer on behalf of the rest of mankind,  “When are you going to return all my Benin Bronzes which you stole?”

But now that it’s Oluwatoyin speaking out of turn, what does he have to say for himself?

Oluwatoyin might even claim to be telling the truth -  of being true to his own truth, his personal truth of attitude  - as in “To thine own self be true”  or, short of apologising he could take recourse to some arguments along the lines advanced by Israel Shahak  in this short excerpt,  “Obstacles to Understanding”

To the nitty gritty: The rank hypocrisy coming from Islamophobes and Christian apologists is patently clear.  Nigeria was not set on fire when it was maliciously reported by some mischief makers, that Peter Obi had phoned Bishop David Oyedepo (for whom I have very great respect) to enlist his help, and had told the dear Bishop that it was a “ religious war”  - implied - between Christianity and Islam.

I have listened to the translation of what Mallam Nasir El-Rufai said. You must first note that he was addressing his own special congregation - and secondly with regard to his reportedly saying, “ No liar will ever come out to play politics of Christianity and win election, ever again. Peter Obi tried it and you can see, where he is today”, he was telling the truth. Where he is today,  Peter Obi obviously, doesn't stand a chance of being elected President of Nigeria in the near future if the allegations that were made against him about talking from both sides of his mouth have gained credence and stick to him. You can’t campaign in the Muslim sections of Nigeria as a friend of the Muslim Nation and then go to your Christian brethren and tell them that it’s JIHAD - religious war and that they had better, therefore, vote solidly for you as their next Christian president and commander-in-chief of the Christian soldiers in Christs’ army.

Quran :  al- baqarah  11 -  14 :

“And when it is said unto them: Make not mischief in the earth, they say: We are peacemakers only.

Are not they indeed the mischief-makers? But they perceive not.

And when it is said unto them: believe as the people believe, they say: shall we believe as the foolish believe ? are not they indeed the foolish ? But they know not.

And when they fall in with those who believe, they say: We believe; but when they go apart to their devils they declare: Lo! we are with you; verily we did but mock.”

The seeds of distrust have been sown. 

 The harvest will be reaped

 Doublespeak? 

”As ye sow, so shall ye  reap” 

[Harrow, Kenneth]

this issue raised by cornelius is an interesting one.

one might say, who has the right to offer criticisms?

or, when is a criticism racist or not?

at times the answers are not obvious.

as for the first question, i think it is fair to say, anyone should be able to offer criticisms, and the criticisms should be evaluated on their own merits, regardless of who is making them. on the other hand, the critic might be occupying a position of power that implies that the comments are not merely neutral. (for instance, when it is noted that some Ukrainian units employ nazi insignia on their uniforms, is the point to advance russian propaganda, or to raise questions about the nature of ukrainian nationalism. if the observation comes from putin it might cut one way; if it is from a new york times columnist, as it was the other day, its heft cuts another way).

as for whether it is racist or not, the context would seem to matter most. i remember years and years ago debating with a friend whether Naipaul's A Bend in the River was racist. its depiction of africans was, at time, truly abominable. but under mobutu, abominable things were happening in the congo. was naipaul using the critique of congolese corrupt as a cover for his racist sentiments? naipaul's body of work points over and over to racist values. his "oxford" persona was grounded in class values that set the "Third World" into the camp that trump placed it, although he engaged people in more interesting ways. teju cole admired him. i believed other friends who reported on his racism in ways that made me despise him.

can we criticize a country, its flaws, without falling into the trap of racism?

to me that is the same as being free to criticize israel without necessarily being antisemitic. the accusations of antisemitism deflect honest criticisms of the government and its manipulations of zionism. we can criticize nigerian politics without sharing the abominable perspective of a trump or his family or his supporters or republicans who hate black people.

ken

kenneth harrow

professor emeritus

dept of english

michigan state university

517 803-8839

har...@msu.edu

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[Oluwatoyin Adepoju]

Very interesting

The Rufai speech has much more in it than the section Cornelius abstracted 

As for my comments on Africans I don’t think it’s a Trump like attitude although I can see why it could be seen that way 

I gave specific examples of my frustration 

I earlier posted something on this group on the Nigerian political class

The current fallout of the last elections is just horrible 

Yoruba vs. Igbo in Lagos  Igbo vs Yoruba to the degree to which Igbo can respond in Lagos 

El Rufai arguing for Muslim political domination 

An odd fuel no subsidy policy without any framework to protect Nigerians going against Tinubus own much earlier recommendations 

And the people pursuing these ridiculous orientations are conducting themselves as if they are doing something reasonable 

Perhaps I should have focused on Nigeria in the title 

Others can say to what degree such ridiculousnesses are present in other African countries 

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[Cornelius Hamelberg]

I have far too much respect for Oluwatoyin Vincent Adepoju. 

For your attention:

(8) Facebook

Oluwatoyin will never qualify for the undignified title of “self-hating African” or in that critical election year, the kind of oversized, chest-beating, undiluted  “pure” African gorilla (not guerilla) - as Black as Kiwi shoe polish - “speaks” over two dozen European languages (and I’m still not impressed) not knowing what time it was or is went ahead and first dumped Brother Obama for Mrs Hillary Clinton and when her chances dimmed then again dumped Brother Obama to embrace McCain’s running mate Sarah Palin, and started referring to her as his  “wife” his “honey”, sadly, what colonialism has done to some of us, hence that King Kong political cartoon.

Perish the thought that I would ever equate Oluwatoyin’s frustration with some of Africa’s political class & clientele and their more than occasional lapses into lunatic asylum behaviour  their sometimes inexplicable dilly-dallying between meritocracy and mediocrity  etc etc etc

 that I would ever equate some of those frustrations which I and others among us share with you , that I or they would ever equate such dissent wherever and whenever it occurs, equate such justifiable wrath with Trump’s standard disposition towards the Black Continent -the disposition, what good can come out of Nazareth/ Africa?

 When last was Trump on a state visit, South of Savannah Georgia? 

 When was Trump last on a state visit to Africa?

Has Donald Trump ever been to Africa? 

If not, why not?

So, what if Nasir El Rufai, who also loves Nigeria, is a bigot and would like his Kaduna to  be the epicentre of the new Islamic Empire, forever, and ever? Does he not have a right to dream of  achieving his goals? Are you yourself opposed to The Great  Commission?

With all the printed evidence so readily available in the archives, are you yourself not guilty of more than occasional lapses into wanton Islamophobia? 

Don Harrow has set the parameters and asked some of the germane  the questions we must deliberate on with soul searching consciousness and conscience 

It was indeed very distressing to read in the New York Times morning briefing just a few days ago about Ukrainian soldiers on the march, in Nazi uniforms ….

What does that tell  you, Watson?

[Oluwatoyin Adepoju]

Cornelius

Is that a serious qs about what is clearly the destructive character of a vision like that of El Rufai in a multiethnic Nigeria and in his own kaduna state where the non Muslim people of southern kaduna have long been under siege in an ethnocentric persecution  in which the govt stands accused 

I’m speechless at what you have written

Toyin

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[Chidi Anthony Opara, FIIM, CDOA]

Meanwhile, Mr. Trump have in the face of indictment restarted his far right rhetorics("take back America", etc).

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[Cornelius Hamelberg]

You are  “speechless” about Mallam Nasir El-Rufai’s vision for Nigeria, as if you never read in the Bible, “And it shall come to pass afterwards that I will pour out My spirit upon all flesh, and your sons and daughters shall prophesy; your elders shall dream dreams, your young men shall see visions.”

Quran : Al-Fath ( The Victory

I understand  that you would much prefer that Mallam should become like a toothless chimpanzee and  convert to Christianity.

Mallam is true to his convictions and is consistent. He is in tune and sympathetic with the intentions, aims, and aspirations of the blessed message of al-Islam. IQRA! Nigerian Muslims have to invest a lot more in education and stay in the country. A closer look at the demographic trends and the fact that al-Islam is the fastest growing religion everywhere should suggest that in the near future Islam is going to play an even greater role than it has played in the past, in the history of Nigeria. Along with al-Islam the Sahara is moving south and there's no escaping that either. 

[Oluwatoyin Adepoju]

should a greater role of Islam in nigeria necessarily translate to islamic domination of nigeria?

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[Dr. Oohay]

“Like Ants” “Fighting” “for Crumps” — a chronic fallout from the so-called pan-Africanism.

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[Cornelius Hamelberg]

In the long run, given the demographic trends, and given that political Islam has an ideology, the answer is, inevitably, yes. 

Muslims (like Orthodox Jewish Rabbis, populating like rabbits,) have large/ larger  families.

As the good-hearted Professor Bolaji Aluko usually signs off, "May your tribe increase"

because, increase it must, if the monogamists are going to have any chance in these "winner-takes-all" elections.

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[Oluwatoyin Adepoju]

Not necessarily.

Large nos and ideology do not necessarily imply ability to dominate.

Without the alliance with Tinubu's ACN, for example, Buhari's CPC was going nowhere at the national level and yet Buhari was the foremost Northern Muslim politician.

Also, its important to differentiate between different kinds of Islam.

Southern Nigerian Muslims, those originally indigenous to the South,  have no interest in dominating anyone and the notion of having large families might not apply to them on account of the cosmopolitan character of their social environments.

I cant comment on social environments and attitudes towards large families in the North though.

thanks

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[Cornelius Hamelberg]

It's disgusting. They should leave Trump alone.  Please check this out :  FrontPage Magazine 

In anticipation of the expected avalanche in reaction to the use of the word gorilla (noun) which I salvaged from Chidi’s poetic toolbox , I thought that I had better prepare my defence, since merely appealing to the right to a poetic licence probably does not justify the linguistic misdemeanours prohibited as “ lashon hara”  

In Animal Farm the pigs “the brain workers” 

were not free to make their own choices under the old management.

Malcolm X said, “Nobody can give you freedom. 

Nobody can give you equality or justice or anything.

If you're a man, you take it”

The pigs 

staged their own revolution

overthrew oppression

chased farmer Jones out of town

took over the management 

declared their new ideology and code of ethics :

The Principles of Animalism 

Different from mere “Animalism” 

Over here where we hang out in cyberspace and although the nature romantic is still being quoted as some kind of mystic and cryptic holy Bible which still has to be deciphered,  milked like a holy cow, unlike the golden calf ( unholy), milked for milk and milked for meaning, milked for the honey, so what the hell did he mean, was he addressing the Freetown born and bred when he said, "Man is born free but everywhere is in chains." ?

I was feeling wary about being taken to task for my use of the jungle English noun but why should I be taken to task when there’s such a rich assortment of nouns to choose from, beginning with the cat family where we find the tigers, from whom we get the word “tigritude”,  the leopard, once upon a time the nickname of Mobutu Sese Seko, “ the leopard of Zaire”, and from among the high flyers, the Eagles, the Super Eagles,, the Flying Eagles, The White Eagles , the Falcons, the chatterbox known as the parrot, le perroquet,

 the bat…

In the realm of the inanimate there’s the megaphone that a-times can be quite human, there’s also  the gramophone, master of specialised  jargon. His Master’s Voice forever quoting Jesus. And when it comes to Big English there's the big-grammar-phone and there’s this special message to him too: Never make fun of someone who speaks Broken English .It means they know another language

And then, politically speaking there’s the chameleon . He can change colours at will.One moment he’s green,  next time you meet him, he’s blue or something in between. He knows how to adapt to the environment. He knows how to play his card. If he were to be campaigning up North in Zamfara , he would be sure to be wearing a turban, even if wearing a turban to campaign  up North in Zamfara would get him nowhere and would be a complete waste of time, and money. 

Indeed, “ They tell you "Time is money," as if your life was worth its weight in gold” ( Dylan: When you gonna wake up?

Johnny Dyani with John Tchicai & Dudu Pukwana ‎– Witchdoctor's Son

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[Cornelius Hamelberg]

Agreed. 

Especially about those that are not part of the herd mentality, and as you say, "have no interest in dominating anyone"

First of all,  in this immediate present, I think that by whatever means, we have to recover from the ongoing polarisation , the Igbo -Yoruba, Muslim -Christian divide, those fragile and easily combustible fault lines which have the potential to deteriorate, and once  exacerbated can be exploited,  by the same forces that for some time now has been hellbent on making the country ungovernable.

Hopefully Jagaban's democracy peptalk tomorrow will allay some of our fears and cause no more nightmares...

Of course, you are on the ground and therefore must know better, be able to sense the atmosphere, the direction in which the wind is bllowing