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Cornelius Hamelberg
This Is going to make for dreary reading.
Re - “We all were lied to: Gaza was a modern, developed city before October 7 - opinion” posted by Adepoju)
There's this holy promise usually uttered by the pious and the not-so-pious:
“If I forget you, Jerusalem, may my right hand forget its skill. May my tongue cling to the roof of my mouth if I do not remember you, if I do not consider Jerusalem my highest joy” ( Tehillim/ Psalm 137:5-6)
Clarification: Not that I’m about to join this most distinct and distinguished three: the not-so-holy and glorious trinity of Hamas, Hezbollah, and Islamic Jihad, but in what some godforsaken people think is the department of lost causes, I’m with the underdog and on the side of Human Rights and dignity, a just peace, and justice for the Palestinian People.
Tony Adepoju, here’s Remarks by Tim Lenderking followed by The Houthis' Red Sea Strategy Panel
Even writing this is time-consuming. It would take a full-time, round-the-clock job for several would-be respondents to be responding to so many of the diatribes and the misleading, ofttimes evil Israeli propaganda and apologias that Toyin Adepoju deems fit to be splashing around here in this forum. What for?
From Frank Zappa & The Mothers of Invention - We're only in it for the money
“What’s there to live for?
And who reads The Jerusalem Post?
Well, I did, along with Arutz Sheva - Israel National News on a daily basis, sans the Sabbath when they shut down for holy holidays, as per the 4th of God’s 10 Commandments which is,” Remember the Sabbath day and keep it Holy”, although these days, on the past so many Sabbaths of the last 120 Days, the IDF have been busy with their unholy bombing, visiting violent death and destruction on the poor Palestinians in Gaza, and they have also been busy on the Sabbath, doing their unholy work of visiting death (murder) and destruction on the poor Palestinians in the refugee camps of the West Bank
Yes, I used to read the JP and Aritz Sheva on a weekly, monthly, and yearly basis, from circa mid-1995 but stopped reading the Israeli media shortly after the 7th of October 2023, as a preventive measure - for balance and in this crazy world of tears, to maintain some sanity because if indeed as we all know, “in war, truth is the first casualty” then I didn't and I still don’t want to be swamped, overwhelmed, drowned in their ad misericordiams and forever bogged down by the buggers still issuing their tissues of lies - their juicy, big fat lies, weak little lies, blue and black lies, white lies, subtle lies, progressive “holy” bullshit lies and all the subterfuge that should be well known to be nothing less than sinful Israeli War Propaganda.
And this is what I get in return for my non-compliance with their evil propaganda: for the past couple of days I have been unable to unmute my microphone on WhatsApp, my Bank ID no longer works and I can’t open the camera on my cellphone, because, so it says, “security policy prevents use of camera”. Of course, I know exactly who is behind all this, it’s that mendacious, over-dimensionalised, semi-illiterate hypocrite Menachem who uses AI to communicate, because he can’t release the brakes in his head. Yes, I know how wonderful and how powerful he believes that he is, as the secret deputy commander-in-chief of the c7ber section of Mossad and all that, and that it was his father that killed the Dead Sea where all of Israel’s multibillion-dollar cosmetic minerals are buried, and at worst his genocidal, over-dimensionalised itinerant vagabond self would like to kill me and all the good people of Gaza - which he thinks that he is at liberty to do, that he is divinely sanctioned and it’s halal and kosher for him to do, and should the All-Mighty retaliate - as the Almighty can - for him and his associates & accomplices entertaining such murderous thoughts, Mister Menachem himself will only start crying that it’s Ashkenazi discrimination and start singing as he often does, “ Why does it happen to me? " and " What did I do to be so black and blue?” before he himself is completely wiped off the surface of this earth, to join his alleged Yemenite and Ethiopian ancestors.
As the Almighty complained, according to Yeshayahu (Isaiah) the prophet, in Yeshayahu (Isaiah) - Chapter 1, “An ox knows his owner and a donkey his master's crib; Israel does not know, my people do not consider.”
Here’s some holy rhetoric and polemic from the prophetic Holy Quran, fast forward, pointing at the likes of his boss, Bani Israel’s infamous Benjamin Netanyahu:
“Is he then unaware that Allah seeth?
Nay, but if he cease not We will seize him by the forelock -
The lying, sinful forelock -
Then let him call upon his henchmen!
We will call the guards of hell.” ( The Quran : Surah 96 : al-`Alaq: The Clot , ayat 14-18)
Question; Who reads the JP and friend Ted Belman’s rightwing Israpundit?
I'd say, mostly the already converted, some of the curious, and many of the unabashed purveyors of Likudism - Likud ideology, i.e. the majority of the fanatics supporting Netanyahu’s thirty-seventh government of Israel
The Jerusalem Post is to a great extent a mouthpiece of Brer Netanyahu's Likud and other rightwing conservative forces in Israeli culture - and politics, and before Senor (almost wrote Senator) Netanyahu’s longest-lasting leadership, the JP was a mouthpiece for his conservative Likud predecessors and their politics, birds of very much the same feather (almost wrote birds of very much the same father - the alleged father of ”the children of God'' - the “our father which art in Heaven”, and the children in question no other than Ze'ev Jabotinsky, a revisionist zionist ideologue - and verily, revisionist Zionism is the not too hidden roots of Likudism, followed by mealy-mouthed Menachem Begin ( you know him) in turn followed by Yitzhak Shamir who, in June 1991 in Alexandria, Egypt, during a heated conversation my Psychiatric Doctor friend ( PHD Psychiatry) in a fit of animosity demanded that I bring Shamir to him immediately! Why? Still frothing at his mouth he told me,” I want to eat his liver - that dwarf "
And Shamir passed the baton on to Yitzhak Rabin. I remember that the day he was assassinated, I didn’t know about it until a few minutes later when an American Muslim friend phoned to tell me, “ Your friend has been shot”. I thought he was referring to our Ghanaian friend Ishaq, whom he had fallen out with and whom he always referred to as “Your friend”. I was devastated. “ Was he hurt?”, I asked. “ Put on your TV Motherfakker “, he shouted. Does he hate Ishaq this much? I was on the brink of tears. I switched on CNN. Yitzhak had been shot at close range by an Israeli.
After Rabin the baton was passed on to warrior Ariel Sharon, fondly nicknamed “ The Bulldozer” by his adoring settlers, because he used to bulldoze Palestinian homes to rubble - in the West Bank. I remember him, in January 2014, commanding his followers to grab the hills : “Everyone there should move, should run, should grab more hills, expand the territory. Everything that's grabbed will be in our hands!” he bellowed, and of course it was Sharon, the archdeacon / archdemon of provocation that marched with his military entourage and bodyguards, all the way up to the Temple Mount to more or less declare divine sovereignty over the al-Aqsa Mosque… but a lot earlier circa August 16, 2005, he had been praised by some of his enemies when he unilaterally pulled all the settlers out of Gaza - lock, stock, and barrel, at which point they smashed all the Jewish settler homes that they were going to leave behind, so that Palestinians could not move into homes and houses that previously had their talismanic mezuzahs installed in their doorways ,the same settlers who used to use ten times more water than the Palestinians in Gaza, just to water their gardens….and Sharon has been followed by the mother of all Prime Ministerial corruption who knows that the day after this genocidal operation in Gaza is over, he’s going to go on trial and lose his job as prime minister, forever. And hopefully, before or after that he will be facing the music for other crimes against humanity. In the meanwhile, they are busy implementing Meir Kahane‘s Our Challenge, to a tee.
“But now, having experienced it myself, I can confidently tell you that we were lied to.” - The “it” - refers to the former besieged open-air prison known as the bombed-out Gaza City, according to Roi Yankovsky - Roi Yankovsky the former IDF invader of the peace and quiet in Gaza, not Roy Welensky, the former Jewish Prime Minister and heavyweight boxing champion of the then Federation of Rhodesia and Nyasaland, now known as Zambia and Malawi, and not Vladimir Zelensky, the current President of the war-torn Ukraine, but Roi Yankovsky, the reservist who returned home from Gaza, happily unscathed, “after serving 100 days in the IDF.”
“ They (Hamas) believe the IDF is a moral army.” (says Roi Yankovsky the believer )
This too is reprehensible, coming from him:
“Pre-war Gaza was a modern, beautiful, developed city – with large, furnished houses, wide avenues, public areas, a promenade, and parks. It looked much better than any other Arab city “from the river to the sea.” Gaza City reminds me more of Tel Aviv than the awful slums that some people try to make it out to be.
And, of course, Gaza is far from being the "most densely populated area in the world."
If this is how a city looks after two decades of "siege," then I want to be sieged. The houses in Gaza were full of goods and food from across the Middle East, the houses had modern furniture, appliances, and pretty much any up-to-date consumer product and electronics you can imagine.”( According to Roi Yanovsky)
And now, out of envy, and hatred, all that beauty has been deliberately destroyed by the malevolent IDF.
I showed my son Nathan the article when he and my grandson Malcolm dropped by for dinner this evening -Malcolm for some lessons in Spanish, and he made the point that “The Provisional IRA, ETA, Sendero Luminoso, al-Qaida, The Taliban and so forth were not “ dismantled” the way that Netanyahu and his war cabinet have vowed to do.”
To quote him more extensively, re - Roi Yankovsky saying that “Gaza City reminds me more of Tel Aviv than the awful slums that some people try to make it out to be. "
“Roi Yanovsky is welcome to mention ten geographic areas in the world (not cities) that are more densely populated than Gaza. His claim that it isn't one of the most densely populated areas is simply demonstrably false. If Gaza reminds him of Tel Aviv, would he like Tel Aviv to be subjected to the same indiscriminate bombardment if terrorists hid in the city?
Why would he have us believe him when more journalists have been killed in Gaza since October 7th than were killed in the whole Vietnam War, more than during all of World War 2? If his claims were believable, the IDF would have welcomed independent journalists into Gaza. But they haven't, to the contrary they have consciously executed many with targeted killings. He sincerely wants us to put more trust in the military part in a conflict than in international relief organisations. It's laughable.
Yanovsky's line of argument is based on the assumption that there is a finite number of terrorists, and defeating them is just a question of decimating their numbers thoroughly. But this is a thoroughly political conflict with political roots, and the political problems aren't solved through eradicating members of a group whilst simultaneously killing off many times more innocent civilians. On the contrary; the indiscriminate killing works as a recruitment agent to the said enemy group. Hamas had the support of 24 percent of Gazans in the poll conducted by Arab Barometer the week before October 7th. That support has by all accounts skyrocketed since then. Support for Hamas is probably stronger even than when Israel withdrew from Gaza, precisely because Hamas is so adamant in its opposition to Israel. Yanovsky goes down the body-count-as-measurement-of-military-success that dragged The US Armed Forces into the quagmire that was The Vietnam War, where units that committed war crimes against civilians marked up casualties as enemies to cover up their mistakes and crimes, just to steer further and further away from anything vaguely resembling achieving their stated goals on the ground. Hamas leadership is mostly in exile in Qatar, Iran, Lebanon and Turkey, and they definitely have a larger base to recruit volunteers from now than before October. So far, the only hostages released have been freed as a result of negotiations, not through military action. Yanovsky, get back to the drawing board.”
Oluwatoyin Adepoju
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Oluwatoyin Vincent Adepoju,
I take you seriously. This is to you personally, and publicly.
Many thanks too, and as I have sometimes told you, much respect also.
Congratulations on the Super Eagles defeating Bafana Bafana of South Africa - even if generally speaking, we are to assume that scoundrel Netanyahu is happy about the defeat of the nation that wants him tried at the Hague, for genocide. Likewise, the presence of Israel's Eden Golan at the Eurovision Song Contest which is scheduled to be held in Sweden, in May, is being questioned. Those who want her to participate argue that we should not mix song and politics. Ditto, those who want Israel to play football in the Arab League say we shouldn’t mix sports and politics. As Baba Kadiri sometimes remarks, “ the world is upside down” and perhaps that’s why Joe Biden goes around mistaking Macron for Mitterand and says that he remembers a meeting that he had with German Chancellor Helmut Kohl at a G7 meeting in 2021, although Kohl passed away in 2017. He might soon be mixing up Mahmoud Abbas with Benjamin Netanyahu, Haman with Hamas, his old boss Barack H. Obama with Saddam Hussein, and maybe during one of those sleepless nights on the campaign trail he might even mistake his own wife for Melania
Last night, I listened to Rabbi Yaron Reuven holding forth on Tikkun HaBrit,
in his own special series of lectures on Tikkun HaBrit, specifically his morals lecture titled “TIKKUN HaBRIT (Jewish Fight Against Pornography Addiction)” and if you listened to it, it would impact you greatly on the intrinsic value of the species known as human beings and leave you wondering what this pious rabbi would have to say about the ongoing destruction of life, liberty, and property in Gaza and the West Bank.
Qur'an 23: 12-14, and indeed the whole surah, Surah Al-Mu'minun makes mankind’s origins and destiny even more clear.
Let me come clean with you. Of course, I’m not going to respect anyone who doesn't respect me and the rest of humanity, even if that person wants me to believe that he is one of the great or one of the greatest children of Hashem, one of Hashem’s favourite kids, no matter how big his Man Friday grammar, his bottle, his bankbook, his mouth, his buttocks, or his chicken anus might be. Of course, a Muslim never comes up with that ridiculous, metaphorical or literal nonsense about being one of the holy” children of Allah”
It’s commendable that you’re “ trying” - that you “try to share information from different bands on the spectrum of opinion on the conflict”.
Concerning WW2, are we to suppose that if you had been around then, you’d have also been trying to represent the Nazi’s opinions as well - just for balance, trying “ to share information from different bands on the spectrum of opinion on the conflict.”? Not that the Israeli war propaganda machine and some of the very supportive Western media and politicians (not all) have been guilty of cheerleading Israel, and to that end, simultaneously trying to dehumanize and demonize the Palestinians by deliberately propagating fake, Satanic news about the mass rape - at gunpoint - of Israeli women and the mass decapitation of Israeli babies on the 7th of October, probably less efficient or effective than was Paul Joseph Goebbels the Director-General of Nazi War propaganda
Satanic? Yes. As Jesus said, in John 8:44, speaking about such people,
“You belong to your father, the devil, and you want to carry out your father’s desires. He was a murderer from the beginning, not holding to the truth, for there is no truth in him. When he lies, he speaks his native language, for he is a liar and the father of lies.”
When as you say, you “try to share information from different bands on the spectrum of opinion on the conflict,” my main beef with you is that Palestinian newspapers, media and opinion are disproportionately, and woefully underrepresented in this spectrum mentioned above. In that respect, on the Israeli DNA side of things, I’d like to see more of e.g. Noam Chomsky, Gideon Levy, Ilan Pappé, and other Western critics of Israel, such as John Mearsheimer and Stephen Walt, not just the lukewarm monsters and some of the corporate hypocrites, bi-assed, biased, bi-sexual and transvestites still sitting, or half sitting on their side of the fence. I would like to see more of Middle Nation ( he has some of the same speech mannerisms Malcolm X )
You may have noticed that when I’m a little peeved, I refer to you as “Tony” - unwittingly, a Tony who to my mind is coterminous with being what the Brits would call “a useful idiot” - a pseudo-agent of, e.g. post-colonial British Imperialism /British Interests as represented by e.g. Tony B-liar. I’ll never forget that day when - perhaps himself a victim of MI6’s sexed-up reports about Saddam’s weapons of mass destruction, he breezed into the House of Parliament, and told them, ( I saw it live and direct on Sky TV,) hi y’all sitting here on your fat bourgeoisie asses, do you know that Saddam can deploy his WMD within fifteen minutes, and then all yer assess will be grasses - and into ashes all my lust? Less than 24 hours later Lord Goldsmith signed the War Act and the UK was officially at war with Iraq. The rest is history: https://www.informationclearinghouse.info/
B-liar, Cameron, the average Englishman (maybe less so the woman) is known for his histrionics, on a less serious side, as personified for example by John Cleese, and to a milder degree by e.g. Stephen Fry more typicalised ( I almost wrote “tropicalised”) by a less dry sense of humour and a more exuberant intellectual sense of brilliance or -.exhibitionistic erudition, Anthony Burgess
You know that as a result of all that early Shakespeare - tragedies, comedies, histories) Robin Hood vs the Sheriff of Nottingham, King Arthur & the Knights of the Round Table, the “we shall fight on the beaches” war oratory of Sir Winston Churchill, “We shall fight in France, we shall fight on the seas and oceans, we shall fight on the beaches, we shall fight on the landing grounds, We shall never surrender” etc - and these days it sounds like Sunak will soon be wailing,” After the Suez Canal, we shall fight them in the Red Sea, we shall fight them in the Persian Gulf, we shall fight them in The Strait of Hormuz, and, God willing, with a little help from our American friends, we will also fight them in the South China Seas” - you put all that together are you understand the rhetorical scepticism in Hamlet’s suicide soliloquy, “ To take arms against a sea of troubles, and by opposing, end them ”
Harrow, Kenneth
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Oluwatoyin Adepoju
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True, Oluwatoyin is ostensibly an honest broker and no one can accuse him or you who have been so outspoken, of anti-Semitism either. According to you “oluwatoyin airs plenty of heavy criticism of israel” but according to me, that plenty is not enough, and that’s why, in my opinion, Palestinian newspapers, media and opinion are disproportionately, and woefully underrepresented in what he has so far been posting as “information from different bands on the spectrum of opinion on the conflict.”
Al Jazeera is fine, and we could be hearing more from e.g. Palestinian newspapers
So, you see, I’m in the same league as that Sierra Leone customs officer that the late Ousman Manyang told me about. On the last night of his very last visit to Stockholm, we were sitting together chatting peacefully when he announced quite unexpectedly, “Sierra Leone is the most corrupt country in Africa!” - at which point I thought, so Ous is now on the warpath. Why do you say such a thing? He told me that it happened at the Lungi Airport in 1972 - they were making the last call for passengers boarding the plane to Bathurst ( which was remanded Banjul a year later) and he was being delayed by some female customs officer who was wrongfully telling him that his luggage was overweight - so he insisted on having his luggage weighed one more time to convince her that he was right, they weighed the luggage and it was at least 7kg under the limit and it was then that she told him, “ The scale says your bags weigh 13 kg, but I say that’s over 23 kg!”
A moot point: Chris Hedges with Ilan Pappé on The myth of Israel's 'democracy'
Address by South African Foreign Affairs Minister, Dr. Naledi Pandor (4 days ago)
Debunking Israel's "mass rapes" atrocity propaganda, with Ali Abunimah ( from 2 months ago)
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Dear Oluwatoyin,
The latest: al Jazeera
I agree with you in principle that we should take it all in and check it all out
However, even if you and Ken live in the Mighty United States, the First Amendment notwithstanding, the kind of freedom you want us to espouse in our corner of the cosmos known as cyberspace is not available there, because over there, there are laws against hate speech, there are laws against holocaust denial and laws against antisemitism for the protection of the relevant, threatened human species. So where does that leave the full range of your “spectrum of opinion” when the genocidal passages in the Hebrew Bible are given free rein, but not Hitler’s Mein Kampf, Satanyahu & his Zionist crew can whip up a frenzy of national zeal by referring to the Divine Command given in the Hebrew Bible to wipe Amalek off the surface of the earth? According to the holy book of God’s chosen people - Amalek - the enemy of God’s chosen people - arises in every generation and wherever this Amalek arises, Amalek must be wiped off the surface of the earth and even if that is a command from the Father of Jesus Christ, is that not a call to genocide?
Take it all in and check it all out
Harrow, Kenneth
Sent: Friday, February 9, 2024 7:32:15 AM
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Dear Ken,
That was a powerful Parthian shot, the mention of The Rwanda Genocide in which within 100 days, 800,000 Tutsis were slaughtered. With the arrival of the machetes imported from France, the hate speech inciters of genocide preached,
“The machetes
are to cut down
the forests and
the Tutsis are
the trees”...
Yesterday is gone and past, today, Ishmael Reed’s poignant question applies not to Ma and Pa Clinton Flogging Uppity Black Man but to that heart made of stone, tone and stone deaf to the pleas for a ceasefire in Gaza but still shuffling on, bumbling and fumbling on as Old Joe, the 46th president of the United States, and in the case of what’s going on in Gaza the question applies equally to his dear wife Jill: Re - his predecessor, slick willy,” I did not have sex with that woman” Bill Clinton: “ He refused to intervene to rescue thousands of Rwandans from genocide. (Did Mrs Clinton tearfully beseech her husband to intervene on behalf of her African sisters”
More questions for Joseph Biden 👍
“And how many ears must one man have
Before he can hear people cry?
Yes, and how many deaths will it take 'til he knows
That too many people have died?”
In the history of genocides - ever since the world began, maybe, because of the epic, industrial scale scale of the wanton destruction, some people don't like The Holocaust // The Shoah being compared to or compared with other genocides, that to compare is to trivialise or diminish the one or the other; true too, “to write poetry after Auschwitz is barbaric and in some people’s view, killing in the name of God is even more reprehensible and more barbaric than writing poetry after Auschwitz. Equally reprehensible: I just started watching the BBC documentary The Darkest Day in Israel which begins on the Sabbath morning of Saturday the 7th of October, 2023, with some miscreants cutting through the Gaza border into Israel and shouting their war cry, “Allahu Akbar !” as they set off on their killing spree.
I asked Professor Google ( World Encyclopedia, Besserwisser, Professional Fellow of the Institute Of Information Management, MIT Chief Data Officer etc ), “ How many wars are going on right now ?”
The first tier of her reply is as follows:
1. There Are at Least 32 Live Conflicts Right Now. According to the Council on Foreign Relations's Global Conflict Tracker, there are currently 32 ongoing conflicts worldwide. The tracker categorizes conflict into three groups: “worsening,” “unchanging,” and “improving.”
From that very first murder recorded in the Holy Bible, right through to the ongoing wars of slaughter, destruction and annihilation, one is left wondering about the threshold of pain generated by the kinds of body count that any nation can bear, when there's the general understanding that, “to kill one person is like killing all mankind”
At a later date because of people like the author of the piece “ We were all lied to” this kind of apologia will appear as the new headline: We were all lied to. Unfortunately, we did not see any of the bloody al-Jazeera footage; Israeli TV did not show the extent of the death and destruction that was visited on our Palestinian brothers and sisters, the people of Gaza.”
At that later date, the revisionists, apologists, IDF rabbis, dimwits and nitwits in defence of their fits of murderous zeal may be saying, “God told me to do it”
In my view, genocide is still genocide, whether it’s dedicated to Moloch, Mars, Yahweh, or any of the other “Gods of War”...
I'm sentimental, if you know what I mean :
“ But you know
The darkest hour
Is always, always just before the dawn”
Emeagwali, Gloria (History)
Prof. of History/African Studies, CCSU
africahistory.net; vimeo.com/ gloriaemeagwali
Recipient of the 2014 Distinguished Research
Excellence Award, Univ. of Texas at Austin;
2019 Distinguished Africanist Award
New York African Studies Association
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