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Here are the administration officials who deny they wrote The New York Times op-ed

By Veronica Stracqualursi, Jeff Zeleny and Jim Acosta, CNN 
Updated 7:43 PM EDT, Thu September 06, 2018
 

Washington (CNN) The highest-ranking officials in the Trump administration are publicly denying they or their offices authored the infamous anonymous op-ed in The New York Times, an indication of how deeply the episode has shaken the White House.

Among the officials to speak out are Vice President Mike Pence, Secretary of State Mike Pompeo, Director of National Intelligence Dan Coats and Defense Secretary James Mattis. The op-ed is written by a senior Trump administration official who says they are part of an internal "resistance" working to thwart parts of Trump's agenda and block his worst impulses, and was published amid questions of President Donald Trump's fitness and his control over his administration.

Trump loves a strongly worded denial, and he is closely watching the string of statements, a top White House official tells CNN, adding that they are being printed out and delivered to the President as they come in.


The official added that there has not been a formal request for the statements, but by this point in the administration, Cabinet members are well aware of how he appreciates these messages of support. On Wednesday, Trump praised Mattis and chief of staff John Kelly for strongly pushing back against assertions in Bob Woodward's book that they were critical of the President.

A US official who works in an agency that issued a denial said there was no real internal debate or perceived downside over issuing a statement.

Trump sees treason from within
"We didn't write it," the official said. "We're happy to say so."

An administration official said White House aides were struggling Thursday morning to get ahead of the op-ed as the Cabinet and other top officials were releasing their own statements. The official said the White House "wanted a more coordinated response."

"Didn't seem very organized," the official said, describing the process.

The essay prompted a hunt in the White House, with the President intent on knowing who wrote the words he suggested could be treasonous, one administration official told CNN.

Aides are following leads based on the way the op-ed is written, looking at key words used in the editorial that stand out, according to a source close to the White House.

Despite the internal interest and the President's demand to smoke out the author, White House press secretary Sarah Sanders on Thursday slammed the media's "wild obsession" with figuring out the identity. She also blamed the newspaper's opinion desk for being "complicit in this deceitful act" from a "gutless loser."

"The media's wild obsession with the identity of the anonymous coward is recklessly tarnishing the reputation of thousands of great Americans who proudly serve our country and work for President Trump. Stop," Sanders tweeted.


Pence, Pompeo quickly push back

In the wake of the op-ed's publication, speculation arose online that it could be someone in Pence's office -- or Pence himself -- who wrote it, given the op-ed's inclusion of the word "lodestar" and several speeches Pence gave using the unusual term. In the op-ed, the official also claimed there were "early whispers within" Trump's Cabinet of invoking the 25th Amendment, which would require a majority of Cabinet officials to declare to Congress they believe the President is "unable to discharge the powers and duties of his office" and thus leave the vice president in charge.

"The Vice President puts his name on his Op-Eds. The (New York Times) should be ashamed and so should the person who wrote the false, illogical, and gutless op-ed. Our office is above such amateur acts," Pence's deputy chief of staff and communications director Jarrod Agen tweeted Thursday.


Taking questions from reporters in India, Pompeo said the op-ed is "not mine." He also suggested that the author should quit their job instead of staying to "undermine what President Trump and this administration are trying to do."

The op-ed coincided with details being reported from Woodward's new book "Fear: Trump in the White House," in which Mattis is quoted as saying Trump has the understanding of a "fifth- or sixth-grader." Mattis personally denied the quotes attributed to him, saying they were "a product of someone's rich imagination."

Asked if Mattis wrote the essay, Pentagon spokesperson Dana White told CNN, "It was not his op-ed."

Other Cabinet members issue denials

Attorney General Jeff Sessions: A Justice Department spokesman told CNN that Sessions was not the author.

Treasury Secretary Steve Mnuchin: ".@stevenmnuchin1 is honored to serve @POTUS & the American people. He feels it was irresponsible for @nytimes to print this anonymous piece. Now, dignified public servants are forced to deny being the source. It is laughable to think this could come from the Secretary," tweeted Tony Sayegh Jr., a spokesman for the department.

Director of National Intelligence Dan Coats: "From the beginning of our tenure, we have insisted that the entire (intelligence community) remain focused on our mission to provide the President and policymakers with the best intelligence possible," Coats said in a statement, adding that any speculation that he or his principal deputy Sue Gordon wrote the op-ed is "patently false."

 Trump slams damning New York Times op-ed as 'gutless'
Trump slams damning New York Times op-ed as 'gutless'

Homeland Security Secretary Kirstjen Nielsen: "Secretary Nielsen is focused on leading the men and women of DHS and protecting the homeland -- not writing anonymous and false opinion pieces for the New York Times. These types of political attacks are beneath the Secretary and the Department's mission," the agency's press secretary Tyler Q. Houlton said in a statement.

Department of Housing and Urban Development Secretary Ben Carson: HUD spokesman Raffi Williams told CNN that Carson "didn't write the op-ed" and also denied writing the piece himself. Williams said he has not gone around asking other officials in the department but doubts it would be someone else at HUD.

US Ambassador to the UN Nikki Haley: In response to a CNN question about whether she wrote the op-ed, Haley said, "no."

Secretary of Agriculture Sonny Perdue: Asked if Perdue was the author, Tim Murtaugh, a department spokesman, said "no" and referred to Sanders' tweet lambasting the media.

Labor Department Secretary Alexander Acosta: "The Secretary does not play these sophomoric Washington games. He is definitely not the author," a Department of Labor spokesperson told CNN.

Secretary of Veterans Affairs Robert Wilkie: "Neither Secretary Wilkie nor anyone else at VA wrote the op-ed," VA spokesperson Curtis Cashour told CNN, also pointing to Sanders' tweet.

 Melania Trump to op-ed writer: You are 'sabotaging' our country
Melania Trump to op-ed writer: You are 'sabotaging' our country

Director of the Office of Management and Budget Mick Mulvaney: Spokespersons for the OMB and Consumer Financial Protection Bureau both denied that Mulvaney wrote the Times op-ed.

Environmental Protection Agency Administrator Andrew Wheeler: "That's a no ... Acting Administrator Wheeler supports President Trump 100% and is honored to serve in his Cabinet. He also believes whoever wrote the op-ed should resign," spokesman John Konkus said.

Health and Human Services Secretary Alex Azar: "Secretary Azar did not write the op-ed," HHS spokeswoman Caitlin Oakley said.

CIA Director Gina Haspel: "No," agency spokesperson Timothy Barrett told CNN when asked if Haspel was behind it.

Transportation Secretary Elaine Chao: "For those who have inquired, this is to confirm that Secretary Chao is not the author of the op-ed," Marianne McInerney, a spokeswoman for the department, said.

Energy Secretary Rick Perry: "I am not the author of the New York Times OpEd, nor do I agree with its characterizations," Perry tweeted. "Hiding behind anonymity and smearing the President of the United States does not make you an 'unsung hero', it makes you a coward, unworthy of serving this Nation."

Commerce Secretary Wilbur Ross: "I did not write and am thoroughly appalled by this op-ed. I couldn't be prouder of our work at Commerce and of @POTUS," Ross said in a tweet that referenced Sanders' statement.

US Trade Representative Ambassador Robert Lighthizer: "I did not write it. It does not reflect my views at all, and it does not reflect the views of anyone I know in the Administration. It is a complete and total fabrication," Lighthizer said in a statement to CNN.

Education Secretary Betsy DeVos: She is "not a Washington insider and does not play Washington insider games. She has the courage of her convictions and signs her opinions," the department's press secretary wrote on Twitter.

Small Business Administrator Linda McMahon: "I am not author of the anonymous @nytimes op-ed. @realDonaldTrump has a clear governing vision for the country and his record of results is remarkable," McMahon said Thursday on Twitter. "I am proud to serve as a member of President Trump's @Cabinet to advocate on behalf of America's 30 million small businesses.

Interior Secretary Ryan Zinke: "No, he did not," a spokeswoman told CNN when asked if Zinke authored the op-ed.

Other administration officials

American Ambassador to Russia Jon Huntsman: "Come to find, when you're serving as the U.S. envoy in Moscow, you're an easy target on all sides. Anything sent out by me would have carried my name. An early political lesson I learned: never send an anonymous op-ed," Huntsman said in a statement tweeted by a spokeswoman.

FBI Director Chris Wray: An FBI spokesperson said Wray did not author the piece.

National security adviser John Bolton: "As General Sherman said, no," Bolton said, according to a spokesman's tweet.

CNN's Richard Roth, Laura Jarrett, MJ Lee, Rene Marsh, Jeremy Diamond, Kate Sullivan, Kaitlan Collins, Mike Callahan, Tal Kopan, Ryan Browne, Greg Wallace, Donna Borak, Zachary Cohen and Daniella Diaz contributed to this report.
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On Thursday, September 6, 2018, Mobolaji Aluko <alu...@gmail.com> wrote:

My People:

As a Sherlock Holmes / Agatha Christie afficionado, I like whodunnit mysteries.  So who wrote this anonymous op-ed that has enraged Trump into labeling it as treasonous?  Are there any key give-away phrases?   But could it be a joint authorship rather than one person? Group Deep State (Throat) rather than One Mark Felt?  

Certainly, NYT knows, but could the author deny publicly and yet NYT keep quiet on it ("No Comment") as part of the deal - for ten years, say?

Interesting days ahead - a denouement or par for the Trumpian course, a bump on the road?

We shall see....


Bolaji Aluko

PS: Below, the suspects are:

(1) Larry Kudlow
2) Kevin Hassett
(3) Dan Coats - denied
(4) Mike Pompeo - denied
(5). None of the above

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The Weekly Standard 

The Four Men Most Likely to be Behind the New York Times Op-ed

MICHAEL WARREN
@MICHAELRWARREN

September 5, 2018

It’s only been online for a few hours, but the anonymous New York Times op-ed penned by a “senior official in the Trump administration” has set off a frenzy of guessing about who is claiming to be one of the people “working diligently from within to frustrate parts of his agenda and his worst inclinations.”

The White House was out with a response Wednesday afternoon. “We are disappointed, but not surprised, that the paper chose to publish this pathetic, reckless, and selfish op-ed,” reads the statement from press secretary Sarah Huckabee Sanders. “The individual behind this piece has chosen to deceive, rather than support, the duly elected President of the United States. He is not putting country first, but putting himself and his ego ahead of the will of the American people. This coward should do the right thing and resign.”

There are some clues within the 965-word essay of who the “coward” (or courageous truth-teller, depending on your perspective) really is. There are indications the writer is a movement conservative, including a line that castigates Trump for not sharing conservatives’ affinity for “free minds, free markets, and free people.” There is a noticeable lack of discussion of any issues of constitutionalism, the law, or immigration. The writing is straightforward, unpretentious, and familiar with the conventions of op-eds.

Here are four candidates for who “Anonymous” could be, in no particular order. THE WEEKLY STANDARD has sought comment from these people but we have yet to receive any responses. 


(1) Larry Kudlow

Trump’s relatively new chairman of the National Economic Council, Kudlow took over for Gary Cohn, the former Goldman Sachs executive who couldn’t abide the president’s affinity for tariffs. Since coming to the White House, Kudlow has struggled to fit his free-market views on trade and a few other issues into the administration’s more active approach to economics.

As a way of establishing his credentials as a more traditionally Republican critic of Trump, the NYT author cites several positive developments of the administration, including “effective deregulation, historic tax reform, a more robust military, and more.” Kudlow, who served in the Reagan administration and has been around movement conservatism for decades, would conceivably find these Reagan-era policy goals the most worthy of praise.

Plus, there are some similarities between the piece’s language and Kudlow’s own writings. “The root of the problem is the president’s amorality,” writes the anonymous official. “Anyone who works with him knows he is not moored to any discernible first principles that guide his decision making.” Here’s what Kudlow wrote in his 1998 book: “If we stick with what I call first principles, which is morality and ethics, some spiritual guideline which was present at the creation with the founders . . . then this country is unstoppable.” 
 
(2) Kevin Hassett

The chairman of the Council of Economic Advisers, Hassett, like Kudlow, comes from the conservative media-policy world. He worked at the American Enterprise Institute for two decades, where he focused on fiscal policy, before coming to the White House last year. Another likely person to focus on the more traditional areas of deregulation, tax reform, and a strong military, Hassett also has a record of being pro-immigration. It’s notable that among the administration's "accomplishments" the op-ed does not mention is anything regarding immigration, a signature issue for the president.

Hassett is also a prolific op-ed writer who once wrote regularly for National Review Online and has written for several other publications, including the Times. And this mysterious essay, as Carlos Lozada notes, has the markings of a seasoned op-ed writer.

There’s also the interesting ending of the op-ed, which puts the focus on the late senator John McCain and “his example— a lodestar for restoring honor to public life and our national dialogue.” Hassett was once an adviser to both of McCain’s presidential campaign, including the role of chief economic adviser on his 2000 bid for the Republican nomination. 


(3) Dan Coats

The elder Hoosier statesman who serves as director of National Intelligence is at the end of a career in politics and government service. Coats would have little to lose professionally if he wrote the op-ed and was outed. And he might be motivated to speak out given the way President Trump spoke dismissively of him and the intelligence community after the summit with Vladimir Putin.

Coats was a conservative Republican in Congress who also has diplomatic experience as the ambassador to Germany. The op-ed writer’s focus on foreign policy suggests he may be someone with an interest in, and involvement with, the subject in the Trump White House. The more specific focus on the administration’s Russia policy suggests Coats, a critic of Putin while in the Senate, could be frustrated enough with moments like what the op-ed describes as Trump’s reluctance to expel Russian spies.

There are enough folksy word choices (“Don’t get me wrong,” for one) to recall the writing style of politicians, and particularly politicians of Midwest stock, such as Coats.

Updated September 6, 2018, 10:45 a.m.: Dan Coats has issued a statement denying he wrote the op-ed. "Speculation that The New York Times op-ed was written by me or my Principal Deputy is patently false," reads the statement. "We did not. From the beginning of our tenure, we have insisted that the entire IC remain focused on our mission to provide the President and policymakers with the best intelligence possible." 


(4) Mike Pompeo

Could the secretary of state, who is currently traveling in Pakistan, really write such a harsh assessment of the president he serves? Pompeo has been closer to Trump than most Cabinet officials, starting from his days as CIA director. And the former Kansas congressman is in the midst of guiding the president’s most important diplomatic efforts in North Korea and elsewhere.

As someone fond of, and thought fondly of, by CIA agents, Pompeo could be particularly irked by the suggestion by Trump and his supporters that a “deep state” is at work against the president. The correction of the internal resistance to Trump, the op-ed writer protests, is no “deep state. It’s the work of the steady state.”

And in Congress, Pompeo compiled a straightforward conservative record on military spending, trade, and taxes—although there’s little in his public profile to suggest he’s particular to the op-ed’s libertarianish “free minds, free markets” worldview.

Updated September 5, 2018, 7:22 p.m.: A State Department spokesperson responded to the question of whether Mike Pompeo wrote the op-ed with: "No."

 
MICHAEL WARREN
is a senior writer at  The Weekly Standard.


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New York Times

Opinion

I Am Part of the Resistance Inside the Trump Administration

I work for the president but like-minded colleagues and I have vowed to thwart parts of his agenda and his worst inclinations.

Sept. 5, 2018

The Times today is taking the rare step of publishing an anonymous Op-Ed essay. We have done so at the request of the author, a senior official in the Trump administration whose identity is known to us and whose job would be jeopardized by its disclosure. We believe publishing this essay anonymously is the only way to deliver an important perspective to our readers. We invite you to submit a question about the essay or our vetting process here.


President Trump is facing a test to his presidency unlike any faced by a modern American leader.

It’s not just that the special counsel looms large. Or that the country is bitterly divided over Mr. Trump’s leadership. Or even that his party might well lose the House to an opposition hellbent on his downfall.

The dilemma — which he does not fully grasp — is that many of the senior officials in his own administration are working diligently from within to frustrate parts of his agenda and his worst inclinations.

I would know. I am one of them.

To be clear, ours is not the popular “resistance” of the left. We want the administration to succeed and think that many of its policies have already made America safer and more prosperous.

But we believe our first duty is to this country, and the president continues to act in a manner that is detrimental to the health of our republic.

That is why many Trump appointees have vowed to do what we can to preserve our democratic institutions while thwarting Mr. Trump’s more misguided impulses until he is out of office.

The root of the problem is the president’s amorality. Anyone who works with him knows he is not moored to any discernible first principles that guide his decision making.

Although he was elected as a Republican, the president shows little affinity for ideals long espoused by conservatives: free minds, free markets and free people. At best, he has invoked these ideals in scripted settings. At worst, he has attacked them outright.

In addition to his mass-marketing of the notion that the press is the “enemy of the people,” President Trump’s impulses are generally anti-trade and anti-democratic.

Don’t get me wrong. There are bright spots that the near-ceaseless negative coverage of the administration fails to capture: effective deregulation, historic tax reform, a more robust military and more.

But these successes have come despite — not because of — the president’s leadership style, which is impetuous, adversarial, petty and ineffective.

From the White House to executive branch departments and agencies, senior officials will privately admit their daily disbelief at the commander in chief’s comments and actions. Most are working to insulate their operations from his whims.

Meetings with him veer off topic and off the rails, he engages in repetitive rants, and his impulsiveness results in half-baked, ill-informed and occasionally reckless decisions that have to be walked back.

“There is literally no telling whether he might change his mind from one minute to the next,” a top official complained to me recently, exasperated by an Oval Office meeting at which the president flip-flopped on a major policy decision he’d made only a week earlier.

The erratic behavior would be more concerning if it weren’t for unsung heroes in and around the White House. Some of his aides have been cast as villains by the media. But in private, they have gone to great lengths to keep bad decisions contained to the West Wing, though they are clearly not always successful.

It may be cold comfort in this chaotic era, but Americans should know that there are adults in the room. We fully recognize what is happening. And we are trying to do what’s right even when Donald Trump won’t.

The result is a two-track presidency.

Take foreign policy: In public and in private, President Trump shows a preference for autocrats and dictators, such as President Vladimir Putin of Russia and North Korea’s leader, Kim Jong-un, and displays little genuine appreciation for the ties that bind us to allied, like-minded nations.

Astute observers have noted, though, that the rest of the administration is operating on another track, one where countries like Russia are called out for meddling and punished accordingly, and where allies around the world are engaged as peers rather than ridiculed as rivals.

On Russia, for instance, the president was reluctant to expel so many of Mr. Putin’s spies as punishment for the poisoning of a former Russian spy in Britain. He complained for weeks about senior staff members letting him get boxed into further confrontation with Russia, and he expressed frustration that the United States continued to impose sanctions on the country for its malign behavior. But his national security team knew better — such actions had to be taken, to hold Moscow accountable.

This isn’t the work of the so-called deep state. It’s the work of the steady state.

Given the instability many witnessed, there were early whispers within the cabinet of invoking the 25th Amendment, which would start a complex process for removing the president. But no one wanted to precipitate a constitutional crisis. So we will do what we can to steer the administration in the right direction until — one way or another — it’s over.

The bigger concern is not what Mr. Trump has done to the presidency but rather what we as a nation have allowed him to do to us. We have sunk low with him and allowed our discourse to be stripped of civility.

Senator John McCain put it best in his farewell letter. All Americans should heed his words and break free of the tribalism trap, with the high aim of uniting through our shared values and love of this great nation.

We may no longer have Senator McCain. But we will always have his example — a lodestar for restoring honor to public life and our national dialogue. Mr. Trump may fear such honorable men, but we should revere them.

There is a quiet resistance within the administration of people choosing to put country first. But the real difference will be made by everyday citizens rising above politics, reaching across the aisle and resolving to shed the labels in favor of a single one: Americans.

The writer is a senior official in the Trump administration.

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Emeagwali, Gloria (History)

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Thanks for sharing. In my view these  denials are not worth much. The writer would certainly have anticipated Trump's   frenzied reaction  and may be one of the first to deny authorship publicly.


 I hope he dusted off his  old  type writer  in the basement or wrote by hand.




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Chidi Anthony Opara, FIIM

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What if there is no "writer"(that is someone from Trump's cabinet)? Is that perspective impossible?

CAO.

Abolaji Adekeye

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Its plausible but then this is not the Borowitz Report.

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What if there is no "writer"(that is someone from Trump's cabinet)? Is that perspective impossible?

CAO.

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Friends:

Is it possible that the real author of the Op-Ed does not work within President Trump's administration and that the essay, ahead of the upcoming US midterm elections, is a made-up story--a political fiction designed to both cause a disequilibrium within that administration and deepen mass disaffection with this presidency? In this age of higher frequencies of fake news within both the social and traditional media, anything is possible. Fake news, more commonly known as gossip, has always been part of the human experience across human cultures, but emergent social media, which have diminished the role of gate-keepers in traditional news media, have exacerbated that phenomenon.

 

If this Op-Ed turns out to be fake, would that be a first time that a newspaper, anywhere, has published a material that's entirely made-up? Of course, no. I am not a fan of anonymously authored materials. In general, anonymously authored materials are suspect and they must be regarded with a grain of salt.

 

Human gullibility, which predisposes us to believe the worst about fellow human beings that we dislike, may also be at play here.

 

In the context of US politics, I am a quintessential Independent, and so, sometimes, I am able to look at political currents from a non-partisan perspective.



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What if there is no "writer"(that is someone from Trump's cabinet)? Is that perspective impossible?

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Harrow, Kenneth

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if the opinion piece were made-up, falsified, it would damage the ny times's reputation enormously. the  piece is introduced by a claim by the nyt that they know who wrote it, etc. it would be too risky for the premier paper in the nation to participate in a falsification on that order.

my fear is in trump's reaction. i see the responses by members of his administration denying authorship, and his call for this as treason, as the actions expected in dictatorships, not democracies. my real "fear"--as in woodward's title--is that the tendencies trump exhibits to subvert the judiciary and the press are those of dictators, whose belligerence he seems to admire in rulers generally despised around the world--like kim of n korea or duterte or putin.

that's the problem. as eastern europe runs in that direction, as rightwing parties like sweden's new democracy party, or germany's afd or the 5star italian parties, rise, or come to power, we see the denigration of liberal democracy at a high point.

yes, we can criticize those liberal democracies for their imperial actions in africa or elsewhere, but the solution is not authoritarian dictatorships or their neo-conservative, really neoliberal, opponents. we can reform liberal democracies, speak our minds, and organize openly. all those statements are now relatively untrue in trump's america, and in more and more of europe.

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Trump would love this - especially the use of his favorite buzz words "fake news."


 Recall that his Secretary of State, Tillerson, called him a   &*%^$#  moron and  Frum, Wolff, Omarosa,  Woodward and others have a lot of details about his  dysfunctional government. Why would the New York Times make this up when there is so much evidence out there?


 I can also understand why an  author  would prefer to be anonymous. Assassination by a  rabid Trump supporter  is a real possibility. We are dealing with "the mad king syndrome"-  as someone elegantly put it today - and mad supporters too.


So will the New York Times concoct this story and risk its reputation as a traditional, reliable  gate-keeper? I  doubt it - but it is still  a legitimate question to ask.



 

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Victor:

To be an Independent in the Age of Trump - or to be indifferent to Trump - is to be a suspect of something.

And there you have it.


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In the context of political party politics, I am a centrist Independent though it's a result of my political evolution. However, being an Independent does not detract from the part of me that's a historically conscious social activist. A social activist does not have to belong to or does not have to be aligned with an specific political party. In fact, an Independent social activist is much more likely to receive bi-partisan attention than a social activist who is openly partisan and ideologically grafted to one side of the isle. From my vantage point as a centrist Independent, I tend to be able to dispassionately cast critical lenses at the actions of both major political parties.

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My People:

1.  I believe that it was a woman who took responsibiliy with NYT of authoring the piece.  Somebody has already leaked that much to Trump, the way he spoke yesterday.  She is prepared to take the fall.

2.  However, I believe that she ghost-wrote it for one of the men (or a cabal of men and women)  denying things now, who may not be known for many years to come.

Just reading the tea leaves.....



Bolaji Aluko


On Friday, September 7, 2018, Emeagwali, Gloria (History) <emea...@ccsu.edu> wrote:

Trump would love this - especially the use of his favorite buzz words "fake news."


 Recall that his Secretary of State, Tillerson, called him a   &*%^$#  moron and  Frum, Wolff, Omarosa,  Woodward and others have a lot of details about his  dysfunctional government. Why would the New York Times make this up when there is so much evidence out there?


 I can also understand why an  author  would prefer to be anonymous. Assassination by a  rabid Trump supporter  is a real possibility. We are dealing with "the mad king syndrome"-  as someone elegantly put it today - and mad supporters too.


So will the New York Times concoct this story and risk its reputation as a traditional, reliable  gate-keeper? I  doubt it - but it is still  a legitimate question to ask.



 

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This is equally true: To be a knee-jerk pro-regime apologist in Buhari's Nigeria with all of the Buhari regme's recklessness and incompetence is to be suspect of something.

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Victor:

To be an Independent in the Age of Trump - or to be indifferent to Trump - is to be a suspect of something.

And there you have it.


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Friends:

Is it possible that the real author of the Op-Ed does not work within President Trump's administration and that the essay, ahead of the upcoming US midterm elections, is a made-up story--a political fiction designed to both cause a disequilibrium within that administration and deepen mass disaffection with this presidency? In this age of higher frequencies of fake news within both the social and traditional media, anything is possible. Fake news, more commonly known as gossip, has always been part of the human experience across human cultures, but emergent social media, which have diminished the role of gate-keepers in traditional news media, have exacerbated that phenomenon.

 

If this Op-Ed turns out to be fake, would that be a first time that a newspaper, anywhere, has published a material that's entirely made-up? Of course, no. I am not a fan of anonymously authored materials. In general, anonymously authored materials are suspect and they must be regarded with a grain of salt.

 

Human gullibility, which predisposes us to believe the worst about fellow human beings that we dislike, may also be at play here.

 

In the context of US politics, I am a quintessential Independent, and so, sometimes, I am able to look at political currents from a non-partisan perspective.


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What if there is no "writer"(that is someone from Trump's cabinet)? Is that perspective impossible?

CAO.

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The New York Times is a nearly 200-year-old newspaper with more Pulitzer Prizes than any American newspaper--and with a heightened consciousness of its reputation as America's newspaper of record. It's not the National Inquirer or some mercenary, ethically challenged Nigerian newspaper. It would NEVER knowingly fabricate an Op-Ed and attribute it to a non-existent Trump official. I can guarantee you that!

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In the context of political party politics, I am a centrist Independent though it's a result of my political evolution. However, being an Independent does not detract from the part of me that's a historically conscious social activist. A social activist does not have to belong to or does not have to be aligned with an specific political party. In fact, an Independent social activist is much more likely to receive bi-partisan attention than a social activist who is openly partisan and ideologically grafted to one side of the isle. From my vantage point as a centrist Independent, I tend to be able to dispassionately cast critical lenses at the actions of both major political parties.
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Victor:

To be an Independent in the Age of Trump - or to be indifferent to Trump - is to be a suspect of something.

And there you have it.


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Friends:

Is it possible that the real author of the Op-Ed does not work within President Trump's administration and that the essay, ahead of the upcoming US midterm elections, is a made-up story--a political fiction designed to both cause a disequilibrium within that administration and deepen mass disaffection with this presidency? In this age of higher frequencies of fake news within both the social and traditional media, anything is possible. Fake news, more commonly known as gossip, has always been part of the human experience across human cultures, but emergent social media, which have diminished the role of gate-keepers in traditional news media, have exacerbated that phenomenon.

 

If this Op-Ed turns out to be fake, would that be a first time that a newspaper, anywhere, has published a material that's entirely made-up? Of course, no. I am not a fan of anonymously authored materials. In general, anonymously authored materials are suspect and they must be regarded with a grain of salt.

 

Human gullibility, which predisposes us to believe the worst about fellow human beings that we dislike, may also be at play here.

 

In the context of US politics, I am a quintessential Independent, and so, sometimes, I am able to look at political currents from a non-partisan perspective.


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What if there is no "writer"(that is someone from Trump's cabinet)? Is that perspective impossible?

CAO.

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"I can guarantee you that! “ crows Farooq. Farooq can't guarantee anything. He is merely telling us that he believes in the NYT.

Who can guarantee that Jesus is “the Messiah” or even a “prophet”, “virgin birth” etc. ?

Don’t put my faith in nobody, not even a scientist “ (Noble Laureate Dylan could also be telling the truth)

Dean Baquet ( executive editor of The New York Times) can also say” Please believe me” , but there's no guarantee that he or any other New York prophet is telling the truth. He has been there before about “anonymous sources”

This was a very informative, please check it out ( from May last year) : Dean Baquet on BBC Hardtalk

With just a little imagination at work, anything is possible. The concoction ( anonymous opinion editorial) was calculated to cause trouble and to damage Mr. President ; it has fulfilled its malicious intention and that is all. Now we have a paranoid president, there's a traitor in the house and everyone's under suspicion. Maybe a hundred more anonymous opinion eds will follow suit, some of them giving lurid details about some hanky panky going on in the oval orifice, just before the mid-term erections

Let us pray for Mr. President and the American people

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Well, I know that the NYT is considered a newspaper of record. Be that as it may, even the best of human-created institutions may err sometimes or can be misled by one trusted employee or the other. Recall that in 2003, a New York Times reporter, Jayson Thomas Blair resigned from that newspaper upon a discovery that he fabricated some of his published NYT stories.

Now, I am not trying to defend any political figure. I am not trying to assert that the Op-Ed was a fabrication, but, at this point, I am not ruling it out that possibility. As the story develops, we may revisit and revise our thoughts on the matter.



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Farooq Kperogi:

In my almost 25 years now as a public intellectual in these Nigerian forums, starting from the Abacha/PDM years , no one has EVER  accused the positions that I take as "knee jerk",  because I have ALWAYS  defended my positions with facts and figures and reasoning.  You may not agree with my position, but you know where I stand - and I don't sit on the fence.  

Now my motive may be questioned, but that is the prerogative of the reader.  I always make clear why I take my positions.

Let me make my pro-Buhari sentiments clear to you once more:.  I have been writing about corruption in Nigeria for the past 20 years as being the greatest single reason for Nigeria's arrested development.   You can pull up all my writings on anti-corription.  They  did not start with Buhari.

 I went to Nigeria in 2011 to 2016 as a University Execo (and Government appointee) and witnessed it first hand, and its detrimental effect even in the hometown of the then President GEJ.   I see Buhari as a man of impeccable integrity who abhors corruption as I do, and has been willing to do some things about it as President, despite the challenges around him and his own other challenges.  I am in particular gladdened by the implementation of the TSA, which has stemmed the Grand Corruption in the Civil Service, whereby CEOs of 900 federsl MDAs are no longer able to open on average 20 bank accounts in our 22 private DMBs with upwatds of N5.5 trillion floating around. 80 percent of Nigeria bleeding is through the Civil Service and collusion with banks.

So, yes, that is what I am suspect of - supposrting a fellow who is tackling one major problem that. I have identified.  I hope he succreds to institutionally tackle it, so that whoever is his successor can tackle some other matters more focusedly.

And there you have it 


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There is a world of difference between the reportorial infractions of newshounds and the collective decisions of the New York Times editorial board. The New York Times editorial board, which is different from the paper's news operation, is composed of distinguished individuals who would never stoop so low as to concoct an Op-Ed for any reason.

 Because journalism is no more than the first rough draft of history, there will always be the occasional factual inaccuracy in news reports, instance of plagiarism, misattribution, source manipulation, etc., but credible, reputation-conscious, institutional news outlets like the New York Times will always issue corrections and apologize when they discover their errors. That's why Jason Blair was outed and fired. Two long-term editors of the paper resigned in the aftermath of the scandal. 

Most importantly, though, the news section of every US newspaper is separate from its editorial department. Using Jason Blair's poor news practice as evidence of the likelihood that the NYT editorial board could have fabricated an editorial misses the distinction between the news and editorial sections of newspapers. The two departments don't even meet. They are studiously kept separate.

Your conjecture is entirely in the realm of impossibility.


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Well, as a journalism’s rule of thumb says, "facts are sacred, but opinions are free." Given that mantra, hypothetically-speaking, an editorial board, which is geared towards opinionating or what's called news interpretation, is even more likely than a newsroom to twist and spin the news of the day as it sees fit. A typical newsroom does not have that liberty. That said, we are not necessarily suggesting that the editorial board of the NYT fabricated the Op-Ed, but it's possible that the board received fabricated material by an institute impersonator who was able to thwart all of its “verification” standards/tests. It's also possible that the material is genuine. I am a journalism insider; I once worked for both The Daily Times of Nigeria as a crime reporter during an era when it was regarded as the equivalent of the New York Times or equivalent publications and later for the Federal Radio Corporation of Nigeria (FRCN) as a senior news editor. 

 

We live in a highly-complex and multifaceted information age. This is an age in which 3-D printers can now generate functional copies of guns, etc.

 

Again, let's keep our ears and eyes wide open as this Op-Ed news story develops. I am open-minded about it all. I am willing to modify my thoughts as more "light" is shed on this dramatic development.



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This is true come to Jesus moment. "Is it I, Lord?".  

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A person or institution known to be credible is the best to be used to do something incredible, because it is easier to get away with it that way, that is why in Nigeria, the election umpire uses Vice-Chancellors of National Universities to announce compromised election results.

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Well, as a journalism’s rule of thumb says, "facts are sacred, but opinions are free." Given that mantra, hypothetically-speaking, an editorial board, which is geared towards opinionating or what's called news interpretation, is even more likely than a newsroom to twist and spin the news of the day as it sees fit. A typical newsroom does not have that liberty. That said, we are not necessarily suggesting that the editorial board of the NYT fabricated the Op-Ed, but it's possible that the board received fabricated material by an astute impersonator who was able to thwart all of its “verification” standards/tests. It's also possible that the material is genuine. I am a journalism insider; I once worked for both The Daily Times of Nigeria as a crime reporter during an era when it was regarded as the equivalent of the New York Times or equivalent publications and later for the Federal Radio Corporation of Nigeria (FRCN) as a senior news editor. 

 

We live in a highly-complex and multifaceted information age. This is an age in which 3-D printers can now generate functional copies of guns, etc.

 

Again, let's keep our ears and eyes wide open as this Op-Ed news story develops. I am open-minded about it all. I am willing to modify my thoughts as more "light" is shed on this dramatic development.


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"I see Buhari as a man of impeccable integrity who abhors corruption..." 

Egbon Bolaji Aluko, did you actually write that?😂😂😂 LOL!!! You made me spill the water I was drinking on my computer! You go pay o! You, sir, got jokes! Thanks for the laughter, though. I needed it. 

But help me resolve this, if you can:

1. Buhari was the sole signatory to the account to which everyday Nigerians made donations to his presidential campaign from 2014 to 2015. To this day, he hasn't given an account of how the money was spent, particularly in light of the fact that his campaign was bankrolled by Tinubu, Amaechi, Saraki, Atiku, and others. Is that your idea of "a man of impeccable integrity who abhors corruption"?

2. Abdulrasheed Maina, a pension fund scammer and fugitive from the law, was surreptitiously reinstated, promoted and brought back to Nigeria DSS protection with Buhari's active consent and connivance. When the lid of the scam was blown open by Premium Times, Buhari pretended that he was just then getting to know about it, but a leaked memo of the Head of Service of the Federation conclusively showed that Buhari was in the know of everything. No one has been punished for this. Is that your idea of "a man of impeccable integrity who abhors corruption"?

3. When Babachir David Lawal, former Secretary to the Government of the Federation, fleeced internationally displaced victims of Boko Haram violence of millions of naira, Buhari wrote to the Senate in his personal capacity to defend and exonerate Lawal, using disgraceful chicanery and dubious logic. Lawal was ultimately fired by Osinbajo when Buhari was away in London. To this day, Lawal has not been prosecuted. What is worse, he is a denizen of the Presidential Villa and is, in fact, Buhari's reelection campaign coordinator in Adamawa State! Is that your idea of "a man of impeccable integrity who abhors corruption"?

3. When dodgy civil servants in the executive branch "padded" the national budget, Buhari said he would punish them. It turned out that he only transferred them to other ministries. Months later, when no one was looking, the dodgy civil servants were returned to their former posts. Is that your idea of "a man of impeccable integrity who abhors corruption"?

4. Kemi Adeosun forged an NYSC discharge certificate. Buhari hasn't said a word about it and the woman still retains her job. Is that your idea of "a man of impeccable integrity who abhors corruption"?

5. Okoi Obono-Obla fudged his WASC result and uses his position to defraud people he is supposed to be recovering looted funds from. He was fired by the attorney-general, but was later reinstated by Buhari. Is that your idea of "a man of impeccable integrity who abhors corruption"?

6. The Executive Secretary of the National Health Insurance Scheme was fired for corruption while Buhari was away in London. Upon his return to Nigeria, Buhari ordered the reinstatement of the man. Is that your idea of "a man of impeccable integrity who abhors corruption"?

7. A certain Louis Edozien who was fired in 2014 as Executive Director at the Niger Delta Power Holding Company (NDPHC) for failure to produce authentic credentials, including an NYSC certificate, during an audit, was reinstated and promoted to the position of Permanent Secretary in the Ministry of Works, Power and Housing in November 2016. NDPHC’s General Manager in charge of audit and compliance by the name of Mrs. Maryam Mohammed who audited Edozien’s credentials and recommended his firing was unjustly fired in apparent retaliatory vendetta. Is that your idea of "a man of impeccable integrity who abhors corruption"?

8. Buhari consistently allocates more money to the clinic in the Presidential Villa than he does to all teaching hospitals in Nigeria combined, yet he goes to London for his medical needs even when he promised he would stop medical tourism by government officials. Worse still, the Presidential Clinic is so bereft of even basic medicines that Buhari's own wife and daughter complained publicly that in spite of the billions allocated to the clinic there isn't even a painkiller there. To this day, no one has been held to account. Is that your idea of "a man of impeccable integrity who abhors corruption"?

If I continue, I won't end this, but if Buhari is your idea of "a man of impeccable integrity who abhors corruption," you clearly must not know what integrity really is, and your notion of yourself as someone who abhors corruption is suspect--to be put it nicely. Just be frank and confess that you're a pro-regime apologist because your friends--and perhaps yourself--have a material stake in this government. I'd respect that. I know that most Nigerians condemn corruption not necessarily because they are against the act but because they are not the beneficiaries of the act.

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You are making a simple issue seem more complicated than it really is. This isn't about technology and all of the diversions you've introduced here. It's a simple case of a senior White House official who is KNOWN to NYT editorial board members submitting an Op-Ed that is critical of Trump and asking that his/her identity be concealed. Except you're arguing that someone put on a mask and feigned a voice that made them look and sound like the White House official the NYT Editorial Board members KNOW, I frankly don't see your point. 

These are the prefatory remarks that preceded the anonymous piece:  "The Times is taking the rare step of publishing an anonymous Op-Ed essay. We have done so at the request of the author, a senior official in the Trump administration whose identity is known to us and whose job would be jeopardized by its disclosure. We believe publishing this essay anonymously is the only way to deliver an important perspective to our readers.   

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Farooq Kperogi:

We have gone through this film before.  I shall redeem the time   we are both Incorrigible on this Buhari matter.

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These lyrics apply :

Joni Mitchell : The Sire of Sorrow (Job's Sad Song)

John Kerry ( of the Resistance ) spells out how crucial he believes this matter is : here talking to Anderson Cooper on CNN

False-hearted judges dying in the webs that they spin,

Only a matter of time ’til night comes steppin’ in” ( Jokerman)

At first my gut feeling was that our sour grapes “Lyin' Hillary” of insidious intent could have written or suitably doctored the “anonymous” opinion editorial as part of the on-going New York Times and the Clinton National Network ( CNN) crusade against anything triumphantly Trumpian. After a careful reading you realise that what you have left in your hands is a document that's still more abstract than concrete. The complaint and the disgust is still only general : there is not a single concrete and specific example by which the author nails the pent-up discontent to the page – perhaps to fool you by giving the impression that any specific vocabulary would be giving too much away; some have said about that one raisin in the pie, “anti-trade” should link the anonymous author with the economic wing or the treasury department. Such links deliberately strewn in your way could also aim at leading you astray, far from the scent, dear Watson. So , the net is left so wide that anybody, even you could have written it. Could be someone who smells that he or she is or was about to get fired. Or someone in cahoots with another person who has been fired. Could even be Comey.

Yet, the resolution of the current impasse is really not such a difficult one even if it has some characteristics of a philosophical proposition - not beyond simple logic or deduction, in this whodunnit case compounded by some practical cloak and dagger skulduggery in the inner circles somewhere along the corridors of White House power. Isn't it Paul Rand who has suggested a lie detector test? Then he should volunteer to be the first one to take it. Lead by example.

There are others in the Trump stable, also under suspicious even if he too will protest unusually loudly and claim the greatest loyalty to his Master and hero – the Great White Hope - I mean one such as Uncle Tom's Ben Carson ( as in I want my nigger” – Huckleberry Finn) who could react like O. J. Simpson : Fox news Channel’s Shepard Smith asked O.J. Simpson if he would take a lie detector test.” I’m not going to be some dancing monkey for you guys,” Simpson said” (Juice)

Line em up .Line 'em all up

Worst case scenario : The identity of the insider author of the anonymous opinion editorial is hopefully not a case of a Democrat mole or a Russian spy right inside there, lurking in the depths of an administration under investigation concerning “Russian interference”....As to the extensive power and the savvy of the Russians , think back to their recruitments at Cambridge – and from that point of view it makes absolute sense when President Trump says that it's a National Security issue :

"Supposing I have a high-level national security, and he has got a clearance, we talked about clearances a lot recently, and he goes into a high-level meeting concerning China or Russia or North Korea or something. I don't want him in those meetings."

Both Brother Obama and his president, President Trump, have deflowered the concept of innocence or privilege or immunity being granted to this kind of anonymity. Brother Obama has made the point that Mr. Anonymous was after all not democratically elected : The claim that everything will turn out OK because there are people inside the White House who secretly aren’t following the president’s orders, that is not a check. I’m being serious here. ... These people aren’t elected. They’re not accountable.

So the final question is this : Is there a law that can compel the New York Times to reveal the name of the anonymous opinion ed. author, in the interest of national security?

The answer is: Of course

Yes we can. Can guarantee that. 

Victor Okafor

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One of my respected graduate school professors often quipped, in the middle of a class, that "what surprises me is that people are still surprised after a thousand years of being surprised.” He was alluding to the fact that our human nature innately makes us a gullible species—an instinct that ought to be controlled by the depth and pertinence of our acquired earthly knowledge and capacity for both critical thinking and critical reading. Well, I plead guilty to being utterly surprised about the seriousness that some of us have accorded to an anonymous publication. Have you ever been a victim of an anonymous publication? Have you ever been a victim of gossip? From a principled position, anonymous publications are suspect. Period! In fact, the more I re-read the NY Times explanation/rationale for publishing this Op-Ed anonymously, the more it causes me to feel that the newspaper regards us, its readers, as suckers who can believe anything, just anything, that the NYT throws at us without proper attribution.

I recall that after conducting months of hearings on 9/11, a US Congressional committee remarkably concluded that a chief weakness of US’s highly-priced intelligentsia is its failure or inability to “connect the dots.” But I submit that failure to connect the dots is not a peculiar weakness of the US intelligence community, generally-speaking.

On this forum, are we also sometimes or often unable to connect the dots? Is it possible that history is repeating itself in terms of how otherwise serious people are reacting to this anonymous Op-Ed from the New York Times?



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The Good, the Bad, the Ugly , Just for a moment, imagine the consequences of the same kind of spurious, anonymous Opinion Ed about President Buhari surfacing in Nigeria's “Daily Trust” ( even if in Nigeria  it does not enjoy the same status as the NYT in the US and the world )

Re – “what surprises me is that people are still surprised after a thousand years of being surprised”

Surprise, no surprise that someone is not surprised in the realm of ignorance versus knowledge, fact versus fiction, knowledge versus superstition and in this case, Ignoramus Cornelius can only say, just like Socrates, “The only thing I know is that I know nothing” and add that which Donald J. Trump was required to conclude with when he took the oath of office as President of the one nation under God: “So help me God!

We are to assume that even if not elected, the writer of the anonymous opinion Ed in the NYT ( if he or she does indeed exist - as a single person or a conglomerate of interests represented by that one single person ) - as conscientious spokesperson did take some kind of oath of loyalty to the United States and its Constitution or much better still an oath of loyalty  to the Almighty  (the God of Abraham, Abraham and Israel – the God of Jesus of Nazareth ) and that person if a Muslim ( you never know) to the God of the Prophet of al-Islam ( S.A.W.) 

“If he or she indeed does exist” - otherwise when the New York Times authorities are compelled by law to reveal ( at least to the relevant State Security agency) the name of the “resistance” agent or agents - they cannot say, “ It was satirical , seriously, we were only joking, there is no such person or persons”) in which case, Heaven knows what's going to happen next or if President Trump is merely going to shrug his shoulders and say “ Fake News again!” or is going to sue the New York Times for lost sleep and unnecessary worries and even a slight loss of popularity due to the prominence given to that piece , because it claims to be from an insider.

If the NYT are not going to tell us the name of the coward or hero who claims to be an admin insider then all the other pious attestations are meaningless. It should be more insightful and less harmful to the United States if it chose the genre known as satire, instead. But ultimately “the resistance” has a real wish, to be most harmful since it claims to be in despair that it's too late in the day for Mr. President to ever change his austere and autocratic ways - and hopefully, as always,  he will be singing “My way” (One of the problems with the United States is that ideally they would like all of their presidents to be like Jesus H. Christ - and so far none of them - maybe apart from Mr. Trump has been willing to do as he said: “take up your cross and follow me” - not even Brother Obama as was sadly brought to my notice by The Federalist this morning, when I read this : THE COMPLETE COLLECTION: OBAMA’S SCANDALS, GAFFES, AND POWER-GRABS [UPDATED!]

Which proves Paul's point

Paul again

The last thing I read on truth ( apparently a scarce commodity in the political realm) was a long time ago , On Truth by the same author who wrote On Bullshit ( bullshit – which Vice president Spiro Agnew once degraded as a “barnyard epithet” . Surprisingly, ( are you surprised?) for all the bad-mouthing and tantrums that have been attributed to Mr. Trump, he has not yet been accused of using or misusing the words “ bull shit " or the other barnyard epithet, “ horse shit” - at least not frequently as in " I inhaled frequently , that was the point !"

Righteous or not, President Trump has every right to worry, and so would you if you were in his shoes about having someone who is disloyal to Mr. President - maybe even a Russian spy in his inner circles. In the UK, there is at least a modified “ Official Secrets Act” after the Peter Wright Scandal . As of yet, the NYT which is privy to anonymous' identity is nowhere near an infringement of such an act...

But the enemy I see wears a cloak of decency

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Is there anything in this anonymous piece that contradicts Wolff's Fire and Fury,Omarosa's Unhinged, Woodward's Fear and  other tell-all books.What is suspect about its contents?


GE



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First of all, this evening being Erev Rosh Hashanah, wishing everybody Shana Tova, a sweet and Happy New Year 5799

Over here in Sweden where the voting ended an hour ago, it does not look like it's going to be a happy new year for all the politicians and the political parties, as the saying goes, “you win some, you lose some.” In Sweden the grave centre of gravity has been the spectre of refugees, immigration , integration, the latter mostly implying “ assimilation”when the sad fact is that it's not every immigrant that wants to be linguistically or culturally assimilated . Professor Harrow did wish us the best of luck when he wrote, “ the american system is not a straight democratic one, so we can have a minority vote elect a candidate, unfortunately. meanwhile, here we are. i hope things go better in sweden.”

Cf. Sweden: The Last Domino

In the United States, we've come a long way since Simon Schama wrote, “I can tell you exactly, give or take a minute or two, when American democracy came back from the dead because I was there :7.15 p.m. Central Time, 3 January 2008 Precinct 53, Theodore Roosevelt High.” in his prologue to The American Future

re - “Is there anything in this anonymous piece that contradicts Wolff's Fire and Fury,Omarosa's Unhinged, Woodward's Fear and other tell-all booksWhat is suspect about its contents? “

That's the whole point – the charge sheet laid out in that anonymous NYT opinion Editorial is so perilously close to what has been said already, in the books that you cite, that the contents of the anonymous opinion piece in itself cannot be said to be suspect. In fact, to even a suspicious, naïve or gullible American reading public, it would seem that the contents of the anonymous opinion editorial are very close to the “ truths” of all the critiques of President Trump that we have been swamped by , almost on a daily basis, since he took the oath of office. They lend credibility to the opinion editorial, but even if many of the truth seekers don't doubt the authenticity of the message, they also want to know the identity of the messenger and to thereby establish his credibility about each and everything that he says, beyond any reasonable doubt. It would be a lot fairer that in naming the accused the accuser is also named. We have been told that the messenger 's main motive for remaining anonymous, is so that in the incognito mode he or she will continue to spy on the president, , monitor and “thwart parts of his agenda and his worst inclination”, all in the interests of the nation which president Trump wants to make GREAT again.

The Catholic church is facing a similar crisis just now , the question being,, should a priest officiating at the confession box reveal the identity of e.g. the paedophile? What if the confessor confesses that he has just placed a bomb outside the oval office or has just poisoned Mr. President's Coffee? Is there any such co-operation between the Catholic Church and the Police? The Catholic Church and the Mafia? The New York Times and the FBI?

Depending where you stand on this issue, there are those who regard the “good works” that may be thus achieved by this conceal yourself, spy and reveal, spill the´beans through the New York Times acting as a warner giving cause for alarm; others think that such unethical behaviour is treasonous - and is treason . Is treason, such as selling or telling state secrets to a foreign power or spying for a foreign country not a serious offence in the United States as it is elsewhere? Just ask Jonathan Pollard or Eli Cohen

Quoting an earlier source ( Dr. Johnson) Nobel Laureate in Literature Bob Dylan also chimes,

They say that patriotism is the last refuge to which a scoundrel clings

Steal a little and they throw you in jail
Steal a lot and they make you king “

What does Gloria in excelsis Emeagwali think about any of this? 

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"There you have it," as one of our friends on this forum is fond of saying. Yes, yes indeed, the contents of the NYT Op-Ed are by and large echoes of what we had already been previously told, in a variety of ways, about this US Presidency. You are getting somewhere with your brilliant question. Probe further!



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Is there anything in this anonymous piece that contradicts Wolff's Fire and Fury,Omarosa's Unhinged, Woodward's Fear and  other tell-all books.What is suspect about its contents?


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"Is there anything in this anonymous piece that contradicts Wolff's Fire and Fury,Omarosa's Unhinged, Woodward's Fear and other tell-all books.What is suspect about its contents?"

The issue in contention is not the content but the writer. Is it someone within Trump's cabinet as claimed by NYT?

Any anti-Trump element could pick up issues from the aforementioned books to construct a similar story and may have have used the NYT to give the story credibility.

I may however, be wrong, but what surprises me actually is that our friends on the other side do not believe that they can be wrong. To them, the NYT is infallible, a holywrit!

CAO.

Cornelius Hamelberg

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P.S. – re “What is suspect about its contents?

Most significantly, up to now neither Trump nor any of the people who deny having anything to do with that anonymous opinion piece have denied or demented any of its contents, thereby avoiding a trap : if they don't deny the contents in its entirety – entirely - then , item by item, they have to deny or refute some items in it - which means that they otherwise give credence to those items not denied or demented , since they would thereby  be deemed to be true by even a suspicious, a sceptic or an unsuspecting public.

But should the onus of “proof “ be on the anonymous accuser ?

Even if the contents can be refuted , partly or entirely, it's not only that, it's the atmosphere created by that opinion piece, a very cloudy atmosphere which cannot be easily “denied” or “refuted” - it smells like a plot that could have been concocted by John le Carré contemplating a sequel to his “ Our Kind of Traitor 

Since the sublime is often not so far removed from the ridiculous , to widen the scope of speculation a little further we could take a peek at David Icke and what he says about this latest New York Times palaver...

(According to the latest election results in  Sweden with 98% of the votes already counted at 40.7 against 40.3 the blocks are almost even, which means the Social democrats should remain in power if they can form a government that would be capable of getting enough parliamentary votes to push  their agenda through. As for me, I'll be travelling to Hungary in the third week of September for some sightseeing and to visit the world's second largest synagogue which is to be found in Budapest which is also the birthplace of Attila Jozsef )



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"Is treason, such as selling or telling state secrets to a foreign power or spying for a foreign country not a serious offence in the United States as it is elsewhere?" CH


What is the name of the foreign power in this case? Is whistleblowing the same as  espionage?


In the case of the  clergy  of the Catholic Church, pedophilia  and confessions. Who will guard the watchman?


GE

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Good song : Gotta Serve Somebody

No Ma'am, maybe in ordinary cases whistle-blowing , sounding the alarm cannot be said to be the same as espionage , but this case is very different : “a senior official in the Trump administration whose identity is known to us and whose job would be jeopardized by its disclosure ” - is that not spying?

And in that case how do you or the New York Times know that the person in question is not working for a foreign power? How do we even know that the New York Times is not working for a foreign power? (The months that I spent in London during the Monica Lewinsky Affair, I was made to understand ( by one who knows) that there are over 300 ( three hundred ) very influential newspapers in the US being controlled by specific British interests . Please don't smile: The one ( in question) who knows, also happens to believe that the US is still a British colony and that Her Majesty has still not signed the papers that ratify “the causes which impel them to the separation”

Above all we/ I should be very interested to know more about the security around Mr. President. Is the unidentified one - the author - a member of that squad?

There is a definitive air of secrecy, of spying, espionage on the president, in this speaking truth to power in the incognito mode in these given circumstances – boasting about it in the so called national interest, even lifting papers off his desk so that he cannot sign them and thereby put America in danger.

Is that not in effect “spying” He knows who his object is ( Trump) but Trump doesn't know who he is. In fact isn't that the first step for a spy or a mole, that he or she has a good cover story, a reason for being where he or she is?

And this “Whistle-blower” cannot be awarded a badge of courage or civil courage - at least not yet, since he /she says that in order to continue to be effective he/she must continue to conceal his/her identity - to the very end : “until he ( President Trump) is out of office.

That's exercising a lot of power over the president. And if that's the way it is, then why do they have to tell the whole world about it?

We are told that, “many of the senior officials in his own administration are working diligently from within to frustrate parts of his agenda and his worst inclinations. I would know. I am one of them. “

This is followed by referring to the resistance group as “we” - seven times more up to “So we will do what we can to steer the administration in the right direction until — one way or another — it’s over. 

and then in the last paragraph it's a much bigger “we” :

The bigger concern is not what Mr. Trump has done to the presidency but rather what we as a nation have allowed him to do to us. We have sunk low with him and allowed our discourse to be stripped of civility “

The moment we know WHO wrote the NYT anonymous Ed - we should be able to define him more clearly...

Here is President Trump himself expressing some precise fear :

"Supposing I have a high-level national security, and he has got a clearance, we talked about clearances a lot recently, and he goes into a high-level meeting concerning China or Russia or North Korea or something. I don't want him in those meetings."

The “he” in question is the anonymous author of the NYT Opinion Ed

This doesn't look too good: : John Kerry passing judgment on President Trump

As for me, a few days after Yom Kippur , I hope to be in Budapest where I also intend to visit the burial site of Endre Ady and immerse myself in the music of some of the Great Hungarian composers , returning to Stockholm sometime after the dust of the post- election battles have settled and we have a government that shall run the country again - not run it to the ground....


Pray for us 

Chidi Anthony Opara, FIIM

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".....And if that's the way it is, then why do they have to tell the whole world about it?" (Cornelius Hamelberg).

I am also wondering.....!

CAO.

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Anonymous opinions and reports are the standard in The Economist. Also many opinions and essays in Harvard Law Review are not signed. Anonymous opinions are neither against the law nor necessarily fake.

Biko
On Fri, Sep 7, 2018 at 11:41 AM, Mobolaji Aluko


My People:

1.  I believe that it was a woman who took responsibiliy with NYT of authoring the piece.  Somebody has already leaked that much to Trump, the way he spoke yesterday.  She is prepared to take the fall.

2.  However, I believe that she ghost-wrote it for one of the men (or a cabal of men and women)  denying things now, who may not be known for many years to come.

Just reading the tea leaves.....



Bolaji Aluko

On Friday, September 7, 2018, Emeagwali, Gloria (History) <emea...@ccsu.edu> wrote:

Trump would love this - especially the use of his favorite buzz words "fake news."


 Recall that his Secretary of State, Tillerson, called him a   &*%^$#  moron and  Frum, Wolff, Omarosa,  Woodward and others have a lot of details about his  dysfunctional government. Why would the New York Times make this up when there is so much evidence out there?


 I can also understand why an  author  would prefer to be anonymous. Assassination by a  rabid Trump supporter  is a real possibility. We are dealing with "the mad king syndrome"-  as someone elegantly put it today - and mad supporters too.


So will the New York Times concoct this story and risk its reputation as a traditional, reliable  gate-keeper? I  doubt it - but it is still  a legitimate question to ask.



 

Professor Gloria Emeagwali

     

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