Composing New Ese Ifa: A Great Literary Corpus and it's Boundless Opportunities

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                                                            Composing New Ese Ifa

 

                                         A Great Literary Corpus and it's Boundless Opportunities


                                                                                      

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Picture of opon ifa, divination platform and cosmological symbol of the Ifa system of knowledge and divination with a quaternary inscription adapted from traditional Ifa iconography, here suggesting the four spatial directions and their possible correlation with the first four odu ifa, also correlated with other aspects of the human being and the cosmos.



                                                Oluwatoyin Vincent Adepoju

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                                             Comparative Cognitive Processes and Systems
                                  ''Exploring Every Corner of the Cosmos in Search of Knowledge

 

                                                                       Abstract

 

An argument for the need to study the literary qualities of ese ifa, the literature of the Ifa system of knowledge and divination, in dialogue with other aspects of the system, and to enlarge the corpus through creating new ese ifa, as well as to adapt ese ifa techniques and orientations to new creations even if such efforts are not understood as expanding the sacred corpus.


 Contents

What is Ese Ifa?

Reasons for the Near National and Global Invisibility of Ese Ifa


What is Odu Ifa?

How Ese Ifa are Used in Ifa Divination

The Literary Qualities of Ese Ifa

       Ese Ifa as both Entertainment and Information

                      Structures of Ese Ifa

Questions on the Implications of Composing New Ese Ifa

                     Closed and Open Ended Scriptural Traditions

                                  Judaism and Christianity

                                   Hinduism and Buddhism

                                  The Collaborative Composition of Ese Ifa

                                   Between Open and Closed Approaches to Ese Ifa

                                  Creative Possibilities of Composing New Ese Ifa

                                  Implications for the Ifa Tradition of Composing New Ese Ifa

Moyo Okediji’s Ifa Tuntun, New Ifa

Breaking Open


What is Ese Ifa?

Ese ifa is one of the world’s great bodies of literature, in its volume, range of subjects and scope of literary techniques; its relationship to visually powerful and symbolically rich visual arts, its unique affiliation with the sacred, its conjunction with herbalogy; its performative power actualized through chanting,  music and gesture and its centralization within a nexus of spatial patterns, graphic symbols and  mathematical permutations, a totality projecting spiritual and philosophical orientations.

This literature, however, is practically invisible to most people in its native Nigeria and is largely unknown within the global study of literature. Its near invisibility outside academic circles and the ranks of devotees of the spirituality to which it belongs are the outcome of its largely oral character and how it is perceived as the literary corpus of the Ifa system of knowledge and divination, best known in its cultivation in Yoruba culture centred in Nigeria, a culture also evident in neighboring countries even as Ifa is also developed  in Benin, of Nigeria's Edo region, while the Yoruba variant of Ifa has also  spread to the Americas.

Ifa demonstrates close similarities of structure, purpose, and, at times, even naming, with divinatory systems in other parts of Nigeria and West Africa, such as the Igbo Afa, the Benin/Edo Oguega, the Dahomean Fa and further afield, shares less precise but still striking similarities with the Chinese I Ching.


I argue in this essay for the need to both study ese ifa and create new examples of the literary genre.

 

Reasons for the Near National and Global Invisibility of Ese Ifa


The primary transmission method of ese ifa is through oral recitation and memorization, even though it is now significantly represented in book collections, often in translation. My understanding, however, is that beyond Wande Abimbola’s groundbreaking and perhaps yet unequalled books, An Exposition of Ifa Literary Corpus and Ifa Divination Poetry, there is little literary study of ese ifa. It is included in some anthologies of African oral literature but literary studies of the scope required for teaching ese ifa as literature are not texts I have encountered beyond Abimbola’s works.

 

A primary problem leading to this inadequacy might be tension between its literary character and its sacred identity, a tension proving problematic for both those who identify with the literature as the expression of a spiritual culture and those who are repelled by that culture, since Ifa is integral to the now marginalized classical traditional Yoruba spirituality, part of classical African spiritualities which have been eclipsed by Western modernity, Christianity and Islam.

A number of those who identify with the spirituality to which Ifa belongs have challenges with appreciating the fact that the texts they revere derive their communicative force from techniques of linguistic manipulation and imaginative creation that define literature generally, secular and sacred. Within those whose influence by Western modernity, Christianity and Islam shape how they see Ifa, Ifa literature may be perceived as anachronistic, irrelevant in contemporary times  or spiritually negative.

Ese ifa, however, demonstrate the narrative power, force of characterization, timelessness  and potency of narrative settings  that have made ancient Greek myth famous, the crystalline, jewel like beauty of Zen Buddhist stories  and koans, gnomic puzzles suggesting philosophical directions,  and Sufi, Islamic mystical stories, the balance of the phantasmagoric and the everyday actualized by the Judaic Hasidic tales of Nahman of Bratslav, the structural tightness, gnomic wisdom and verbal jazziness of some ese ifa   signaling towards the union of philosophical paradox and eloquent compression uniquely achieved by the Argentinian writer Jorge Lous Borges.

What is Odu Ifa?

Odu Ifa are the organizational structures in terms of which ese ifa are organized. Odu Ifa are like book chapters while ese Ifa are the contents of the book.

There are 256 odu ifa.  Each odu  has a name and each has an unknown number of ese ifa,  Ifa literary texts, attached to it.

How Ese Ifa are Used in Ifa Divination

Ese ifa constitute the primary information system of Ifa. The ese Ifa contain a broad range of scenarios understood as corresponding to various possibilities people may encounter.

The diviner interprets the patterns made by the divination instruments when divining, in terms of particular odu ifa. An effort is made to interpret the oracle's response to the client's query in terms of texts corresponding to the odu ifa pattern the divination instruments assume when cast by the diviner.

The Literary Qualities of Ese Ifa

       Ese Ifa as both Entertainment and Information

Ese Ifa might be unique in world literature. It employs the standard characteristics of literature as globally known, qualities that give vividness to a subject through the manner it is depicted, or which verbally create something that does not exist.


Ese Ifa, however, might be unique in depicting the deities of Ifa spirituality as instruments of obviously imaginative play even though those same deities are revered in the same spiritual culture.

 

Even Zen Buddhism, which does the same thing with the image of the Buddha, does not approach the level of creative reworking of sacred forms achieved by ese ifa.

Ese Ifa, like the Biblical Old Testament, reflect a spectrum of positive and negative human possibilities, but even more than the Bible, are less given to the urge to describe its portrayals in religious terms, creating a literature in which the sheer joy of creativity is central, as opposed to the unceasing gravitas of the King James Bible, for example.

Ese Ifa demonstrate the practice of laughing at one's deities, of using them as instruments of fun, as tools for pursuing one's own narrow or expansive agendas, shaping varieties of cosmogonies, varied accounts of how the world was created, rather than the standard mono-centric approach of some other scriptures, suggesting the ese ifa  composers have no aspiration to be understood as depicting reality as different from imagination, all this conducted within various levels of structural simplicity and variety, at times dramatizing striking word play best appreciated in the original language but evocative to a limited degree in translation.

The amazing force of this kind of imaginative creativity is that it coexists with the practice of a venerational attitude towards the same deities being so employed as instruments of fun in the oracular literature.

Ifa might be globally unique, therefore, in  creating and sustaining a literature that both employs its deities as instruments of seemingly irreverent imaginative play while revering these deities  in worship and ritual.

This seeming paradox suggests a sophisticated understanding of relationships between various aspects of reality, between imagination and truth, a sophistication increasingly buried under efforts to interpret Ifa and its literature in terms similar to the often unsustainable literal interpretations of the Bible as undiluted fact evidencing divine insight, when in fact the Bible  is a book driven by tensions between various human agendas, particularly between the ethnic and the universalistic.

The artistic strength of Ifa literature enters another level of power when it is performed by well trained babalawo, adepts in the esoteric knowledge of Ifa, the Yoruba linguistic sonorities and musical rhythms when accompanied by instruments creating a spellbinding force dramatizing the understanding of oral literature as uniquely actualized through performance.

                      Structures of Ese Ifa

Ever since Abimbola's books, the basic structure of a good number of the ese ifa composed in Yorubaland, as different from those possibly from Benin represented by Cromwell Ibie's multi-volume Ifism, has become clear.

Abimbola  shows Yoruba ese Ifa as operating in terms of three major parts.

They often or necessarily begin with an opening, presenting an imaginative picture of a diviner, who addresses an issue by consulting Ifa.

The second part of the piece depicts the issue central to the story.

The third part concludes the narrative.

This structural identity makes ese ifa a literary genre, a literary form with a defined orientation and even a specific structure, like the English literary genre, the sonnet, the less precise but still specific character of the Japanese haiku and the Yoruba poetic genres oriki, poetry of life mapping and Ijala, poetry of hunters, celebrating nature and the hunter's life

Questions on the Implications of Composing New Ese Ifa

Since the structure of Yoruba ese ifa is is clearly spelt out, why can't anyone use that format in creating their own ese Ifa, I argue?

Even the Benin ese ifa demonstrate orientations that may be adapted to new ends by new composers.

The traditionalists see me as trying to adulterate the Ifa scriptures through my suggestions, amplified by my going ahead to compose my own ese Ifa, at times expanding already existing examples or composing new ones from scratch.

"Why should anyone presume to modify such a venerable, sacred and structurally rich complex as the odu ifa/ ese Ifa matrix by presuming to compose new ese ifa?", the traditionalists argue.

"Why should a person presume to speak for the Ifa oracle by composing new literature, new ese ifa, in its name?", they contend.

Some even hold that the ese ifa, as is claimed for such sacred texts as the Bible and the Hindu Bhagavad Gita and the Shiva Sutras, understood as divinely composed texts or as  inspired by divine intelligence, are all composed by Orunmila, the divine wisdom who was even consulted by Olodumare, the ultimate creator, at the time of creation, a divine wisdom who eventually chose to live on Earth for a time in human form, that account goes.

'"Why should a mere human", it is held, "presume to arrogate to himself the exclusive privilege of Orunmila by claiming to compose new ese ifa?"

Even if one were to adapt the literary style of such a Biblical composition as the "Song of Songs'', for example, would that make the composition a continuation of the Biblical text, is an argument invoked against the claim of being able to compose new ese ifa.

Wande Abimbola has himself argued that the scope of Ifa is so vast, there is no point in creating new forms of Ifa, such as Moyo Okediji’s Ifa Tuntun, New Ifa, which is the immediate inspirations for this essay.

Ifa Tuntun was heralded by Okediji’s adaptation of ese ifa structure in composing new poetry on the social media site Facebook, dovetailing with my own earlier efforts in composing new ese ifa and developing new approaches to Ifa spirituality and philosophy.

Since there are no new forms of  the Bible, the Koran and the Hindu Rig Veda, texts that are not up to 1% of the size of ese ifa, between the unwritten and the written texts of the corpus, why should Ifa suffer such a fate, Abimbola declared, at an online meeting held between Nigerian leadership of the Yoruba spirituality community with Okediji on the 8th of February 2025.

                 Closed and Open Ended Scriptural Traditions

My response to these challenges is that the processes of textual canonization, of deciding which texts should be seen as sacred and which should be elevated to the level of scripture, differs between spiritualities, and the Ifa case is particularly elastic.

                                  Judaism and Christianity

Christianity and other Abrahamic religions exemplify closed text scriptures, in which the scriptures of the religion are represented by a single book, particularly so with Christianity, a book that no one can add to or remove from.

The processes through which the contents of the Bible were agreed upon out of a larger textual collection, are well documented, indicating that the canonization of what is now known as the Bible was the choice made at a point in time by a group of people, whatever one might think about the divine or other sources of the texts so chosen. No other scriptures may be created in Christianity.

The Jewish example, however, might be different, since other texts have emerged, which, though not enjoying the same foundational status as the Torah, if I'm getting the designation correct, are regarded by some adherents as scripture which open up the possibilities of the founding text in a way that elevate the new effort to a scriptural level, as evident with how such a work as the Zohar is perceived by its adherents.

                                   Hinduism and Buddhism

Hinduism and Buddhism contain perhaps the most striking examples of creation of new scriptures.

Hindu scriptural history is a process of development across centuries, beginning from such earliest texts as the Rig Veda, and continuing to such later developments as the Ramayana,  the Mahabharata and the Upanishads, with further scriptures emerging across the centuries, these scriptures constituting the founding texts of new schools, such the Shiva Sutras, described as composed by the God Shiva and revealed to Vasugupta, becoming the root text of the Trika school, even though other older scriptures existed centred on Shiva, while Trika went on to also develop other texts understood as canonical, such as Abhinavagupta 's Tantraloka, Light on the Tantras.

Buddhism demonstrates  similar and perhaps even more stark examples of scriptural proliferation, represented by two major orientations, the Hinayana and the Mahayana, with the Hinayana representing more conservative approaches more in keeping with the basic teaching of the Buddha, who founded Buddhism, and the Mahayana, comprising various levels of modification of this inspirational core, from the austere beauty of Zen to the combination of elaborate cosmology and contemplative sophistication of Tibetan Buddhism, going by my understanding of this richly complex field.

All these examples of Buddhism, even though ultimately deriving from texts composed in the Buddha's native India, eventually developed their own scriptures.

                              The Collaborative Composition of Ese Ifa

How does Ifa fit into this picture?

I understand the possibilities of Ifa scriptural development as even more elastic than that of Judaism, Hinduism or Buddhism but that these possibilities have not been actualized in Ifa because the process of ese ifa composition seems to have been closed at a point in history, and the process of describing the existing texts as beyond expansion began.

Ese Ifa, even from Yorubaland, are clearly not the work of any single person, given the vast scope of Yoruba history the references of various ese Ifa suggest, as I understand, there even being an ese ifa describing how Jesus was born in Yorubaland and was first known by the Yoruba name "Jewesun", along with references to Islam, which is predated in Yorubaland by the traditional spiritualities to which Ifa belongs.

Given the breadth of expressive styles within even Yoruba ese ifa, the various ideological orientations towards the same subjects that they demonstrate, varieties amplified by the further differences evident in what I'm calling Benin ese Ifa, it's clear the corpus was composed over a long period of time by various people, for various reasons, a process Akinwumi Ogundiran maps, according to his own use of the relevant data, in The Yoruba: A New History, describing his understanding of the processes through which ese ifa were composed in response to various social situations over centuries of Yoruba history, and as reflecting various, and at times,  competing ideologies

                       Between Open and Closed Approaches to Ese Ifa

Why was the process of textual expansion of ese ifa closed?

I don't know but closing the process helps to escalate belief in the divine authority of ese ifa as timeless constructs from a divine intelligence capable of illuminating all challenges.

If the scriptures are open to expansion, even into the contemporary period, the subjective processes and social contexts driving such ongoing creativity open for analysis, the oracular sanctity of the literature could be diluted or lost, one view might hold.

Recognizing all these possibilities in the Ifa community’s self-understanding, why do I insist on championing the idea of treating ese Ifa as a literary genre, which may be used in both secular and sacred ways, and encourage the further composition of ese ifa?

I’m doing so because I understand that as central to the actualization of the creative possibilities of ese ifa and even of Ifa in general.

Why so?

The current approach de-emphasizes the appreciation of the artistic creativity of ese ifa, in favour of a one sided emphasis on oracular value. This impacts negatively on the scope of appreciation and study of this literary form, evidenced in the fact that its unique qualities are unknown in the global literary repertoire. As a form that may be approached from both a secular and a sacred perspective it needs to be better appreciated, its essence of creative play implying it may be approached as an imaginative orientation to the sacred cosmos to which Ifa is related, without needing belief in the  deities of this cosmos or assent to any aspect of its cosmology to enjoy the stories or even learn from them.

                             Creative Possibilities of Composing New Ese Ifa

For those who wish to take ese ifa beyond that basic point, they may also serve as contemplative platforms, forms that may be used as means of reflection and contemplation, as a means of relating to ideas that ese ifa address.

Composing new ese ifa expands the creative possibilities of this genre, demonstrating its creative range, possibly extending into philosophical speculation on the nature of time in relation to eternity, as I have done in one such new creation of mine, or employing them in addressing contemporary issues, as Moyo Okediji has done with his own adaptation of ese ifa structure.

Its also possible to adapt old ese ifa by expanding the story or poem without changing its plot or ultimate outcome, as I have done in some of my own efforts, or to modify the story in terms of various levels of divergence from the original.

Could ese ifa also be created to promote particular ideological orientations? Certainly, like various existing ese ifa project particular ideological biases.

                          Implications for the Ifa Tradition of Composing New Ese Ifa

What would be the implications of such proliferation for Ifa as a spirituality and a divination system?

It implies the emergence of traditional and non-traditional ese ifa, leading to choices for Ifa devotees and diviners of how to relate to non-traditional ese ifa, and whether or not to accept them into their practice. I don’t see any danger to Ifa as a spirituality and a system of divination from this development.


What would emerge is the liberation of the creative possibilities of ese ifa as a demonstration of the creative, reconfigurative power of the human mind expressed in varying degrees of intensity, as Isidore Okpewho describes myth ( ‘’Rethinking Myth’’, African Literature Today 11: Myth and History, 1980,5-23, 19).

 

Moyo Okediji’s Ifa Tuntun, New Ifa

What leads me to return to this subject now, having addressed it intermittently over the years?

Yoruba culture advocate, scholar, artist and writer Moyo Okediji composed some poetry on his Facebook wall on Dec 2024, adapting ese Ifa structure in addressing contemporary Nigerian social issues.

 Does he see his efforts as new ese ifa or simply as adaptations of ese ifa creativities to new ends without understanding them as part of an expansive understanding of the sacred corpus?

He has not said but he went ahead to initiate what he calls Ifa Tuntun, New Ifa, representing his own understanding of an Ifa purified of what he currently describes as its negativities, represented by both older misogynies and later excessive monetizations. He also engaged in a deconstructive reading of a particular ese, ifa,  suggesting its centralization of a conflict between misogynistic and humane values.

Traditionalists see him as trying to bring down the tradition, particularly since he has written various essays challenging what he describes as negativities in the tradition, efforts alarming for the traditionalists on account of the visibility and authority of Okediji's Facebook platforms as constructed over more than a decade of diligent effort, further driven by his cultural capital as a Yoruba culture bearer who has long sustained a very successful Facebook group, University of Ifa, using his Facebook wall in promoting Yoruba culture through rich autobiographical, essayistic and artistic explorations,  a prominent name in Nigerian art history, and a very successful academic in the particularly prestigious location represented by the US, a professor of art at the University of Texas, described by one view as "the Harvard of the South".

This latest initiative follows Okediji's earlier presented effort at expanding the configurations of odu ifa, the divinatory patterns in terms of which the ese ifa texts are organized, the odu ifa functioning like the chapters of a book and the ese ifa as the contents of this book, the difference between this and conventional books being that the scope of the contents is unknown, since the totality of ese ifa have never been fixed, being oral texts memorized  piecemeal by various babalawo, and in my view, added to by them as time went on, leading to continuous expansion of the canon.

Okediji describes himself as expanding the odu ifa, the Ifa chapters, as it were, beyond its current 256 patterns, if I understand him well, a stance that has alarmed the traditionalists, given their reverence for the precise and intricate mathematical ordering of those patterns, evidence of the perfection, and for some, the divine completeness of odu ifa, in particular, and Ifa, in general.

I consider Okediji's initiative as one of the most important achievements in Yoruba thought systems, in general, and Ifa, in particular.

Breaking Open

The kolanut is broken into its constituent parts, as the sun cracks open the pod of darkness to reveal the glory of day, as Ogonna Agu describes the symbolism of the Igbo  kolanut ritual in The Book of Dawn and Invocations.

To " pa ìtàn", in Yoruba, states Olabiyi Yai, is to break open the possibilities of time by exploring the potential of history, as history embodies the embryos of cultural forms awaiting further rethinking and expansion in terms of traditions continually reworked as new modernities.

This perspective  demonstrates an understanding of existence as a journey of recreation unfolding unsuspected possibilities at the intersection of the ultimate and the contingent, the timeless and the temporal, Ori and ori, So and so, Chi and chi, adapting an interpretation of Yai from various essays of his in terms of the cognate expressions of ultimate and human possibility evident in the synergies between Yoruba,  Igbo and Kalabari thought, part of the West African complex of intimately related philosophies, unique variants of an overarching world view, demonstrated by West African systems of thought.

Texts Implied but Not Stated in the Essay

Olabiyi Babalola Yai

''In Praise of Metonymy: The Concepts of 'Tradition' and 'Creativity' in the Transmission of Yoruba Artistry over Time and Space'', Research in African Literatures , 1993, Vol. 24, No. 4, 29-37, 31.

"Tradition and the Yoruba Artist’’, African Arts, Vol. 32, No. 1, 1999, 32-35+93.

Review of Yoruba: Nine Centuries of African Art and Thought by Henry John Drewal, John Pemberton, Rowland Abiodun and Allen Wardwell, in African Arts , Jan., 1992, Vol. 25, No. 1 (Jan., 1992), pp. 20+22+24+26+29.

On So and so

Books of Nimi Wariboko, such as 
The Depth and Destiny of Work: An African Theological Interpretation, Africa World Press, 2008.

On Chi and chi

Chinua Achebe, ''Chi in Igbo Cosmology'', Morning Yet on Creation Day : Essays, Heinemann, 1975

On Ori and ori

Akinsola Akiwowo, ''Contributions To the Sociology of Knowledge From an African Oral Poetry'', International SociologyVolume 1 Issue 4, December 1986, 343–358.


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Emeagwali, Gloria (History)

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To be honest, I have doubts about whether composing a new
Ese Ifa is  advisable.

I know that King  Lalibela  of Ethiopia wrote himself
into the Bible in a new version, but there are few cases
historically where such a  move is  justifiable, if any, whether
one is a believer or not.

Take the Sundiata Epic of the Malinke or the Mwindo Epic, 
of Central Africa, even though these are secular texts and
 make no claim to divine status, the most one should do is
 to improve on the translation modalities  and see to it that
 the translator did not err in his or her interpretation of the original. 

I know that these were all orally transmitted,  initially, and  
constitute basically a corpus of  oral tradition, as are most   
sacred texts, but  tampering with them is a disservice to 
authenticity and the primary historical, oral and literary record.


Please let me know what I am missing here.

GE







Professor Gloria Emeagwali
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 University of Texas at Austin
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Founding Coordinator, African Studies, CCSU
 


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Thanks.

Ill get back to you on this.

I'm going to address your response and similar questions in two ways- through demonstration and intellectual argument.

Demonstration will involve doing what I recommend and examining it's implications.

The second approach would be simply to develop an intellectual response without the artistic component of reworking existing ese Ifa or composing new ones.

Thanks

Toyin


Emeagwali, Gloria (History)

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Correction 

I know that these were all orally transmitted,  
initially, and  constitute basically a corpus 
of  oral tradition, as are most   
“sacred” texts, but  tampering with them 
is a disservice to authenticity and the 
primary historical, oral and literary record.




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Thanks Gloria.

My perspective is different.

Ifa literature was developed through a continuous process over centuries.

Must that process come to an end?

Why should creating new versions of existing texts be seen as adulteration when the source texts remain intact?

Why must the history of textual development stop at any point?

Secondly, why should creation of new texts be seen as working against the tradition?

Is that not better understood as expansion?

Ifa is almost a global tradition.

The Ifa texts which seems to be from Benin/Edo are not identical with those from Yorubaland.

Are we to expect that those from Cuba, and other parts of the Americas must be identical with those from Yorubaland?

Also must this textual culture remain stuck in the past?

Is there not much to gain from composing new ese ifa reflecting current social and technological realities?

Ese Ifa are a collection of texts of unknown number composed over a long period of time in different places, in various cultural contexts.

They are not the same as scriptures comprised by single texts, particularly those fixed at a point in time.

Thanks

Toyin

Folami Kolade

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Ifa is sacred text and not “literature “. Meanwhile why don’t you add more texts to Koran or Bible? They are also literature too. At least the Mormons wrote their own Bible.

Cornelius Hamelberg

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Oluwatoyin,

  

Congratulations on your Compilation, your little Talmud.


If that idiot Cornelius Ignoramus knew just 0.1% of that, he would have lived a meaningful life. 


I must confess that I know absolutely zilch about Ifa, ( I know of someone doing a PHD on the subject: Viveca Motsieloa, and the last time I talked to her, quite some time ago, enthusiastically, she explained most lucidly,  a thing or two about the Orishas….


I’m terribly biased, inexorably influenced through reading Faith and Folly: The Occult in Torah Perspective by Rabbi Yaakov Moshe Hillel


So far, “Holiness” or its equivalent has not surfaced in your discussion in this forum; you are still talking about what sounds like very cerebral / material matters such as “Texts” - perhaps something like the Torah Scroll


 I’m thinking of the holiness inherent in a Torah Scroll

 

Torah : Black light on white light


 Perhaps,  there’s some mystical Yoruba equivalent of Lashon Hakodesh // The Holy Tongue and the idea that “ God created everything by the 22 letters of the Hebrew Alphabet “? 


For the Hindus, it’s Sanskrit .You want to tamper with the Yoruba equivalent of   The VEDAS? 


But to the point I’d like to make and ask about from sheer ignorance and curiosity:


As you know, not even one / a letter of the Torah can be changed  - 


You  also know that the Almighty taught Moses The Oral Law up there on Mt. Sinai…


The Shekhinah


Your emphasis and preoccupation, so far seem to be on the integrity of the texts  - my ear is cocked to hear about something that is intrinsic to mystical Hinduism ,Tibetan Buddhism, and Sufism, namely the POWER of the transmission of the I don’t know what you call it….


 And how do you like this poem,  Chosen People

Gloria Emeagwali

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Toyin

I  would add one question to the
golden list of questions you
submitted:

Who has the credentials and right
to modify and expand on the texts
in question

Can I write a new Quran? 

Can anyone, from anywhere, and
anytime engage in the “expansion”
without violating  the rights of
original keepers and custodians
 of the shrine/sacred stool/ ark/
 book? Is there a redline somewhere?

You have raised some great 
questions for philosophers to
engage in.




Oluwatoyin Adepoju

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Thanks, Cornelius.

I think I understand.

''Is there a place for the sacred, and perhaps the mystical, in this approach to ese ifa?'' is how I would sum up your enquiry.

I see ese ifa as a literary genre that may be adapted to different purposes, the sacred and the mystical being part of that spectrum.

These goals may also be pursued along the lines of extant ese ifa, although the mystical is a possibility rather than an actualized reality  in ese ifa I have encountered so far, a possibility that can be brought to fruition through a contemplative approach to ese ifa, particularly those of them that demonstrate seeds of the mystical, the aspiration to intimate experience of ultimate reality and accounts of such experiences, such as the ese ifa ''Ayajo Asuwada''.

Sacred literature can be intentionally composed, and inspiration sought for that purpose. Studying existing literature and meditating on inspiring forms can help facilitate such inspiration.

I adopted that method in the ese ifa I posted on this group in ''The Origin of Ifa: The Tree of Sixteen Branches Big as Houses: An Approach to Self-Initiation into Ifa''.



Oluwatoyin Adepoju

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Thanks Gloria.

The core issue here is about questions of absolute or relative truth in relation to the expansion or modification of scriptures.

First, the Orisha tradition is very different from the Abrahamic traditions to which the Koran belongs. The Abrahamic traditions are traditions that insist they represent absolute truth, and their texts as unalterable divine pronouncements, making their sacred texts closed texts which may not be added to or subtracted from and their traditions as not open to the creation of any new sacred texts different from the original ones.  

Ese ifa, taken collectively,  is not likely  to support such an orientation, although against all the textual evidence, such a view has become established among a significant number of people in contemporary Orisha culture, a view people like me are determinedly demonstrating has no basis in the textual tradition.

Ese ifa, in my view, are better understood as texts that may be adapted by anyone, given their highly elastic liberalism, leaving the community of devotees to decide what to use for their sacred purposes.

In the long run, the community of devotees will decide if something composed by Oluwatoyin Adepoju which he calls ese ifa is actually ese ifa, a part of the canon or simply a literary work emulating ese ifa but outside the canon.

I see ese ifa as a literary genre rather than only sacred literature and therefore open to being adapted to various purposes  while its original texts remain intact and the community of devotees decide how they will relate to new compositions inspired by ese ifa.


My answers to my questions-

Ifa literature was developed through a continuous process over centuries.

Must that process come to an end?  No

Why should creating new versions of existing texts be seen as adulteration when the source texts remain intact? It is not

Why must the history of textual development stop at any point? It should not.

Secondly, why should creation of new texts be seen as working against the tradition? It should not.

Is that not better understood as expansion? It should.

Ifa is almost a global tradition.

The Ifa texts which seem to be from Benin/Edo are not identical with those from Yorubaland.

Are we to expect that those from Cuba, and other parts of the Americas must be identical with those from Yorubaland? We should not.

Also must this textual culture remain stuck in the past? No.

Is there not much to gain from composing new ese ifa reflecting current social and technological realities? There is.

Ese Ifa are a collection of texts of unknown number composed over a long period of time in different places, in various cultural contexts.

They are not the same as scriptures comprised by single texts, particularly those fixed at a point in time.

thanks

toyin


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Thanks Folami. I have addressed your questions in my essay.

All sacred texts are works of literature. Sacred literature. They are literary in the technical sense of literature, being significantly driven by techniques of imaginative creativity. 

Such creativity may demonstrate  various kinds relationships with the mode of being of the sacred  text.

The famous Koranic chapter Sura al Nur for example,depicts Allah, the creator of the universe, in terms of light, describing the Creator as light, and likens that light to an illumination emerging from a lamp, a lamp hidden in the cleft of a rock, a lamp lit by an olive tree neither of the east nor of the west, images which do not identify the being of the referent, since Allah is not seen as being a lamp, a rock, or even light understood as a physical form, but all these images ase used to  appeal to the memory of the seeing those forms in suggesting the character Allah, an identity understood as beyond materiality.

In using images to represent something different from the subject being addressed, the literary technique known as metaphor has been employed.

Sacred texts invariably use such techniques in addressing their subjects, either to concretise spiritual abstractions or to evoke the effect of such spiritual forms on the human mind.

Ese ifa demonstrate a broader range of relationships between imaginative creativity and the subject being addressed than the Koranic example just given.

 Ese ifa are less given to the elevated sublimities of such works as the Bible, particularly the Old Testament, the Koran  and the Hindu Bhagavad Gita, but are closer to the playful character of Zen Buddhist narratives and the gnomic force of Sufi, Islamic mystical stories from Idries Shah and the work of Jorge Louis Borges, Argentinian writer of philosophical fiction.

Ese ifa are unique, however, as far as I know, as being literature that uses its deities as focus of imaginative play  as well as images of reverence, in different contexts, ultimately removing the literary form from the unqualified insistence on factuality Abrahamic scriptures emphasize and complicate its own form of the sense of symbolic signification clearly evident in Zen and Sufi narratives.

The ese ifa are open to expansion because they were composed through such collaborative effort over centuries, with no effort made to close the expansion of the canon, and the current claim that the canon expansion is closed being unsustainable in my view.

The ultimate question would be-to adapt Akinwumi Ogundiran on the same question, would composing literature like ese ifa be equivalent to coponsing ese ifa, the answer to which question possibly dependent on who is answering.

Thanks

toyin





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Almost in every semiotic or semiological context, what is referenced or “logocentrically” identified as THE “origin” is always deferred indefinitely or forever. 

Oohay

Emeagwali, Gloria (History)

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"In the long run, the community of devotees will decide if something composed by
 Oluwatoyin Adepoju which he calls ese ifa is actually ese ifa, a part of the canon
 or simply a literary work emulating ese ifa but outside the canon."Adepoju

Well said. I couldn't have said it any better.



Professor Gloria Emeagwali
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My Friend Toyin,
I addressed these issues in my book Reciting Ifá (AWP) specifically in the chapter Reiterating the Past. Toyin, the emergence of new texts and the ingestion of historical events or features within reiterations of texts is not new. There are praxes to their emergence. When I was writing, I felt a nervousness for even making these internal processes public fearing my role however small in an eventual moment such as this.

But rather than discussing whether you can create new texts or "expand" on existing ones, it seems to me rather a question of why you feel so compelled. Why would you not find a teacher/mentor babaláwo, receive your itèfá, commit to study and explore the contours of Ifá's emergent recitations from within? I know you have answers at the ready that will justify your stance. But I also have to observe that these are stances of an intellectual and ontological modernity that for centuries has demanded a right to impose itself on other cultures with a commensurate demand that the violated acknowledge the rightness of those justifications. The globally dominant episteme of a modernity/coloniality (Machado de Oliveira) demands no boundaries or forbidden mysteries to its intellectual cannibalism.

I would invite you to read Machado de Oliveira's book Hospicing Modernity and do the exercises as an exploration of your own motivations in an era brought to its knees by modernity itself. I would further invite you to commit to Ifá, since Orunmila seems to draw you, and learn how to put Ifá to use amidst a world dying from the effluence of modernity's pyrocene. That is the work we need from you and others rather than dabbling at mimicry that serves no purpose.

Humbly,
K. Noël Amherd
Aláwo Orísàn


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Thanks Noel.

Ive taken note of that book. 

Your verbal and ideational dexterity are delightful as usual.

The approach to ese  I describe is what I find comfortable as both a person delighted by literature and a person using sacred literature in my own spiritual and philosophical practice.

Some others might also find it helpful.

I think the points I am making are valid even for a purely secular approach to ese Ifa.

At the same time, though, they are actually descriptions of my own practice of Ifa spirituality, but without referencing the fact that these practices constitute what I have long practiced as a means of pursuing conjunctions between the he human mind and possibilities that may lie beyond the universe discernible by the mind.

I have long used recreative approaches to sacred texts as a means of personalizing those texts, further unleashing both their capacity to speak individually to me as well as to speak to others beyond the specified they embody at a point in time.

Along those lines, I engage ese ifa as forms to be studied intellectually and engaged with contemplatively and even adapted to self created rituals.

Ese Ifa contain various narrative, imagistic and even sonic qualities adaptable to a contemplative practice and such contemplation may inspire textual expansion or recreation, further demonstrating the inspirational potential of the source texts.

One of my favourite ese ifa images is that of Orunmila, the deity of wisdom,  seated at the foot of a tree of sixteen branches, large as huts, where his disciples find him after he had retreated from the Earth in protest.

He gives them nuts from this tree as divination instruments to replace his presence in the world to which he declined to return.

The tree, of course, evokes the odu Ifa, the sixteen fold organizational categories of the Ifa system of knowledge and divination of which the patterns formed by the nuts constitutes the spatial identity, and the graphic representation of those patterns is their graphic identity, while their names constitute their primary verbal identity, even as the organic vitality of the tree evokes the understanding of the odu Ifa as living beings, spirits, sentient agents unlimited by their material expression, divinities, spirits of unusual power, a description that understands them as predating their manifestations as human cultural forms, all these being associatiins not referenced by the story as retold in Wande Abimbola's An Exposition of Ifa Literary Corpus.

Should I leave the story in its undeveloped pregnancy of symbolic forms, implicit symbolism which the artist does not develop further or even suggests it's evocative character, because I want to respect the integrity of an anonymous work of art which I could enrich by clarifying its symbolic possibilities, by expanding the narrative while keeping the original text intact?

This question is made more significant by the amplification of this symbolic force by the associations of the images in the narrative with a multi -cultural complex of symbols - trees as images of the vitality and complex unity of knowledge systems, particularly cosmologies, such as the Norse Yggdrasil, the braches of which reach into the various regions of the cosmos, the Judaic Kabbalistic Tree of Life, the branches and trunk of which represent cosmic variety and unity, ideas correlative with Benin/Edo babalawo Joseph Ohomina's expansion of the understanding of Odu Ifa as spirits, describing them as 'the names of all possibilities of existence, spirits of whom little is known", a view itself conjunctive with Ghanaian Efa priestess Nyornoworfia Agorsor  describing the same forms as angels, spirits of divine power.

How should I respond to my observations of the archetypal significance, the universally resonant power of that image in the ese Ifa, an image that has not achieved prominence in Ifa as those other tree symbolic images  I mentioned from other systems, a sequence further enriched by the famous image of the Buddha seated at the foot of the bodhi tree under which he is described as gaining enlightenment about the meaning of existence or the less well known image of the founding of the Igbo Afa system, similar to Ifa, by a woman when she was seated under a tree, or further afield in the stream of associations the famous story of It saac Newton being provoked into the enquiries that led to his discovery of the theory of gravity by his seeing an apple fall from a tree, provoking the question as to why the apple should fall in the first place?

Observing this multi -cultural and multi-disciplinary associative range, should I confine my sensitivities to my private understanding or to a review of the story or to expanding the story to reflect this evocative range?

Appreciating this associative range, I could use the story as a framework for meditation.

I could imagine myself as one of the disciples who encounter Orunmila seated at the tree.

That interaction could be seen as leading to an experience of union with teacher and tree, in which the unity with the embodiment of ultimate wisdom and the system of knowledge through which this wisdom is expressed are experienced as fusion of self and cosmos.

What should I do with this contemplative possibility?

Can it be included in such an expansion of the story, a narrative and completive practice derived from it which relate a person to the imagistic roots of Ifa?

Perhaps Orunmila in that story could be reimagined as an ascetic living near or in  the hollow in that tree, his only companion as he develops what becomes known as Ifa.

The following images show my efforts to further develop the possibilities of this story using the art creating powers of Meta AI in complementing my own verbal creativity-





















What is at stake here is a narrative and imagistic  epistemology, an approach to exploring the cognitive and spiritual possibilities of a creative system through the use of stories and images, enabling one to be a co-creator with the founders of the system.

I have had the privilege of studying with a babalawo -an adept in the esoteric knowledge of Ifa- Joseph Ohomina, who offered me initiation, to be conducted by cutting of all my hair and tops of my nails and used, along with body parts of dangerous in animals, such as a snake and a scorpion, if I recall correctly, in making a shrine to Eshu, Orunmila's companion and companion and message carrier of the babalawo but I declined, preferring to manage by myself the spiritual influences I allowed into my space and the manner and terms of that allowance.

Great thanks 

Toyin

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Oluwatoyin Adepoju

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I have your book, Noel, and I will read it. 

If I recall properly,the book came out of your PhD with Karin Barber,who wrote the amazing "How Many Makes God in West Africa: Yoruba Attitudes Towards the Orisha" where she describes processes of reworking Orisha conceptions though verbal dynamics, through changes in the Oriki or salutations of Orisha, if I recall correctly.

Just saying.

Toyin 

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Please forgive the tedious tendentiousness of this longish aside about your literary endeavours at editorialising, reinterpreting , adapting, reforming / reconstituting some texts that have been orally transmitted - orally here implying that they have not been indelibly carved in stone.


You are of course familiar with the immense  output of Sir John Woodroffe? I am…


Gunnar Ekelöf learned Farsi / Persian  in order to imbibe Hafez 


Robert Bly has translated some of Kabir , just as there are various varying translation of Rumi and the last I heard was that “ Rumi was not a Sufi…at which point I want to say that there is an overarching mystical element in Shia Islam and that’s why you find few so called “ Sufi” groups arising from Shia Islam  - although most Sunni Sufi groups trace their origins through Imam Ali, alaihi salaam…


The point I want to make here is the patent absurdity of  e.g. Cornelius Ignoramus, because he saw a little light last night, therefore feeling called upon to “reform ” Sufism or to start his own branch of Tibetan Buddhism or Siddha Yoga. On the poetry field though, in the seventies of the last century when Zen Buddhism became more of a literary movement in North America,  and everybody ( including me ) was taking a shot at composing haikus, I was a fervent disciple-student of The Jack Kerouac School of Disembodied Poetics ,but that did not lead me to “ enlightenment” 


Oluwatoyin Vincent Adepoju the independent scholar & researcher has told us that ”Moyo Okediji is in a similar position to that in which Martin Luther was when the German priest initiated the Protestant Reformation”  Really? 


Some apologetic Jews believe that Jesus never intended to start a new religion, he was only advocating a more compassionate 2nd temple era Judaism mostly centred on offering sacrifices in the Temple


Depending on your Christian affiliation, by which I mean , even given that there’s only one Jesus, depending on which of the numerous Christian denominations you belong to, some people , e.g. Roman Catholics might regard Okediji’s orientation or intention with some hostility  - a rebellion against authority. 


 Upsetting the applecart can only result in Everything Scatter .


About the sacred, Pope Francis said recently that “All religions are paths to God" - I first heard this from one of his antagonists : Ray Chehade


It’s well understood that you Oluwatoyin have intellectual and other freedoms, not only in cyberspace and in Lagos, since the whole cosmos is your province, to make sense of life in any ways you deem fit. 


Very practically, are you possibly an active campaigner for the Nigerian equivalent of RSPCA ?


And, nothing to do with animal sacrifices per se, or sacrificing dogs to Ogun, perhaps as a vegetarian you could find further inspiration and sustenance in e.g. Vegetarian Judaism - A Guide For Everyone by Roberta  Kalechofsky (Ph.D.) 


On reading  K. Noel Amherd’s latest serving on this issue and your response to it, I’m amazed that serious scholar that you are, up to now, Compilation Completed, 183922 words and 889 pages later you are not familiar with his tome, Reciting Ifá which one (a layman like me) would take for granted as, perhaps essential reading in connection with the subject matter under our purview. Shouldn’t you know your song well, before you start singing it? I suppose the answer to that is that you don’t have time to read everything and of course, at this point you could incorporate insights from K. Noel Amherd as you continue to update your compilation, so that by the time you’re through ( if ever) the manuscript could be a thousand miles long, leading all the way back to ancient Egypt or Timbuktu


Anyway,  I suppose that you can improvise along the way - and that in itself is not necessarily committing  Musical Genocide  


K. Noel Amherd’s concluding last line ,”That is the work we need from you and others rather than dabbling at mimicry that serves no purpose” harps on one of the painful postcolonial themes that is so recurrent , discernibly so, in real life  - as portrayed by the man that this forum so loves to hate - Sir Vidiadhar Surajprasad Naipaul FRAS TC ( I almost wrote a longer string of titles such as FIIM, CDOA, Poet, Institute Of Information Management Professional Fellow, MIT Chief Data Officer Ambassador and Editorial Adviser at News Updates ) as portrayed by a much earlier VS in his “ The Mimic Men”. From personal experience and observation, I could go on about this at some length, although I’m inclined to relent a little with regard to music, having learned ( self-taught) copied, imitated, but not “mimicked” e.g. the musical language of Dally Kimoko & many of that genre and know that the end product is something uniquely myself. 


But transposing and imposing e.g. your Dion Fortune on IFA?


 Father of black, Father of white - please absolve us of all contempt….


For the record, here am I, telling it as it is : 


As the saying goes, “Give the devil his due” - which also raises a few questions such as , in this case, who is the devil ?  Is it you or the defenders of tradition ?


 “What custom wills, in all things should we do't, The dust on antique time would lie unswept, And mountainous error be too highly heapt For truth to o'er-peer”`?


Q: How long are we going to be puerile, ”a boyish, grown up, shiftless jigger” ?


Now that lo and behold, there’s authentic talk coming from so many directions, not least of all from a prominent post-Apartheid figure such as Elon Musk that Jesus was / is BLACK, post-colonial and post-Apartheid confidence in that colour is gradually being restored where it had been systematically eroded, in some places, eradicated, annihilated, and in some cases is only gradually being restored, replenished because it's going to take some time for the idea of Black Jesus, “the only begotten Son of God “ to seep into the consciousness of the Nigerian Pentecostals who have been worshipping a White Jesus from time immemorial , speak less of the theological reality of a BLACK JESUS getting established in the worshipful consciousness  and conscience of e.g. the Ku Klux Klan, when they know and so does everybody else  including Billy Graham Jr., it should be an uphill task,  - even if he came back today, for a Black Jesus to be accepted and acceptable to adherents of White Supremacy and to their idols and demons, people like Hitler whose ideas about White Aryan Supremacy were thoroughly disabused and disproved by e.g. Jesse Owens, and that’s why Hitler wouldn’t acknowledge the reality of Jesse Owens ( and of course by extension, a Black Jesus ) winning three gold medals at the Berlin Olympic Games in 1936.  


Of course, in the swimming events Black or any other coloured, Black Jesus who could walk on water would have swept all the medals home to Jerusalem and set world records in the 100 metres butterfly, records that would last for eternity, and what would Mr.Hitler have been saying about Jesus and the Jews, for posterity, after such an Olympics? 


Question  from Ignoramus : Can “White” people join IFA? 


It’s the 21st century, post-enlightenment, post the opinionated Bertrand Russell asserting “Religion is something left over from the infancy of our intelligence. It will fade away if we adopt reason and science as our guidelines.” - about which assertion the tiny tot average Owerri motor park wordsmith,  poet or maggot would of course challenge the great philosopher  - from an absolutist point of view ( less than omniscient of course) with an “that’s your interpretation”  - as if  it was ever in doubt that Russell's “ Why I'm not a Christian” is anything less than a reasoned ( I didn’t say “reasonable”) opinion. This discussion ( concerning matters arising in this thread) is going on against the cultural backdrop that  is the the foundational Judeo-Christian mindset of which the English speaking and thinking Nigeria  is a part, thanks to zealous Christian missionary activity as a result of which Oluwatoyin Vincent Adepoju and  half of Nigeria has been Christianized (that mindset) whilst through peaceful dawah, and sometimes, of necessity - and self-defence,  the expansions have been achieved though less peaceful JIHAD through scholar warriors such as the  Shehu Usman Dan Fodio, by which means  the other half ( I almost wrote ” the Better Half”) of Nigeria has become more thoroughly Islamized 


Stephen Hawking said that Religion was an early attempt to answer the questions we all ask. Why are we here? Where did we come from? Today, science provides better and more consistent answers. But people will always cling to religion because it gives comfort, and they do not trust or understand science.”


The above quotes of Russell and Hawkings are from Michio Kaku ‘s Facebook site : 


https://www.facebook.com/share/p/1Ahk49hpw7/


BTW,  assuming that you believe your version to be authentic, what importance do you give to proselytising your version /s of Yoruba religion ?


 Beautiful rhythmic piano accompaniment here : Quítate Tú (Live)


 Almost the same effect when that piano is translated to the guitar 

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You are correct. I was blessed also to have Ojogbon Olabiyi Yai as my external examiner.

Yes, Karin’s work is brilliant. That particular article you reference and even my own work emphasize the evocative polyphony and departure (Yai) that is so much a feature of these heritages. I would still highlight that these vertiginous practices occur within communities of studied ethics and accountability. It’s not that any old somebody can make contributions or claims to be taken as an insider without a kind of reprimand. With such beauty and artistry of the heterogenous (contrary to the sclerotic strangling of culture happening globally), I’d think one would seek to protect such heritage through devoted and accountable study and practice in a representative community. (I hope to be more inviting than judging so my apologies for any tone thereof.) 
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