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Sweden
Wednesday, 5th November, 2025
Oluwatoyin Vincent Adepoju,
I trust you are also celebrating Zohran Mamdani making history as the first Muslim to be democratically elected Mayor of New York ( “the Big Apple”) and what a victory speech !
I trust you are celebrating and not in mourning, in fellowship with Donald J ( loser) & Cuomo, the old horse he was backing, having deserted his Republican brother Sliwa ( another old horse)
To Trump I'd just like to say “Babu yai o! ”
We could also listen to Cuomo’s brother, Chris Cuomo, not exactly a doomsday prophet just because he fears “Things are going to get worse” in the United States, which means that Trump had better focus on his own backyard instead of going down the path of destruction messing up with fantasies about wanting to invade Nigeria, Venezuela, North Korea, Iran, China etc, with Russia most recently boasting about their new nuclear-powered missile baptised “Invincible” and that if in doubt the wannabe World Emperor should just fuck around and find out.
Of course, Donald Trump would love to read your post which he might even quote to his son-in-law Kushner and his war cabinet that it seems his worst nightmare is becoming reality, that the Muslims are taking over in his America and that even in New York his own hometown where his dear Trump Towers are located a Muslim is now mayor of that jurisdiction.
Btw, has it occurred to you that Mamdani could have been Fulani ?
I’m compelled to respond to some of your hard words. bandying around as you do,like a good missionary boy, ideas such as
“nigeria has an islamic supremacist problem”
“extremist northern muslim and fulani supremacist voices”.
“nigeria has a fulani supremacist problem.”
About the latter, my initial reaction was, how can such a relatively tiny ethnic minority as the Fulani - at most 18 million people, be causing such a big problem , veritably a bone in the throat of Oluwatoyin Vincent Adepoju and the at least 230 million population of Nigeria ? But then if such matters are to be understood in terms of the ratio of one people’s numbers in relation to the other peoples, there’s always the example of Israel and Arabs where the ratio is 10 million Jews to 500 Million Arabs…
With regard to “the core problem is the fulani jihad of uthman dan fodio, an ethnic supremacist drive entrenching an extremist form of islam alongside an ethnic enthronement strategy.” - bear in mind that there was no Nigeria then, and secondly ,who told you that Shehu Usman dan Fodio preached “ an extremist form of Islam"? Are you familiar with his Handbook on Islam, Iman, Ihsan ( Maliki Fiqh ) ? Did Rasulullah sallallahu aalihi wa salaam preach “ an extremist form of Islam” ?
Ad nauseam, you have preached against the Fulani and the so called “ Northern Hegemony” , “Fulani Herders” ever since you came to this Forum, and I wonder if there’s anything new that you wanna say in which case before you do ; I’d sincerely urge you to digest TheTragedy of The Muslim North where A.G.Abubakar does for the North what other ethnicities have mostly been doing for themselves in terms of introspection/ critical self-examination, a far cry from e.g. the Igbo’s lamentations about alleged victimization and marginalisation , all in tune with Cry Your Own Cry
“the southern politicians are spineless, greedy and visionless”?
You say that you “can defend these views if required.”
Let’s see if Nnamdi Kanu is going to change his mind and defend himself today….
And, by the way I’f like to recommend Chigozie Obioma’s absolute best, so far : The Road To The Country
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Oluwatoyin Vincent Adepoju,
We have been here before - many times
Christian missionaries are fond of quoting Acts 4: 11 - 12, aren’t they ?
The best way forward is for Nigerian Christians, Muslims, Indigenous African Religions’ traditionalists to come together in a common understanding that they can all live together in peace and harmony, in accordance with Surah Al-Kafirun
Surah Al-Baqarah 62-65 gives these assurances :
“Lo! Those who believe (in that which is revealed unto thee, Muhammad), and those who are Jews, and Christians, and Sabaeans - whoever believeth in Allah and the Last Day and doeth right - surely their reward is with their Lord, and there shall no fear come upon them neither shall they grieve.”
Christians could also be further assured by Surah Al-Ma'idah - Ayat 82
The wise man remains silent,the fool shouts ( https://www.youtube.com/@thesilentthinkerofficial
Nnamdii Kanu has been given two more days of extra grace.
Two more days to begin to plead for mercy…
From Niger : Tears of Injustice - Mdou Moctar ‧ 2025
''The best way forward is for Nigerian Christians, Muslims, Indigenous African Religions’ traditionalists to come together in a common understanding that they can all live together in peace and harmony, in accordance with Surah Al-Kafirun''
in the midst of that, let us recall bob marley- ''everyone is crying out for peace, no one is crying out for justice''-as long as there is mutual understanding of the fact that ''peace and harmony'' implies justice for all, not the freedom for some to feed on others who remain supine, the kind of peace espoused by a representative of Buhari's govt who urged that it is better for communities to surrender their lands for use as ranches by fulani herdsmen rather than, by their refusal to surrender such land, to risk or court death by at the hands of those herdsmen and their enablers.
when you examine the assumptions in your previous response, as i suggested earlier, ill be happy to respond.
toyin
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''The best way forward is for Nigerian Christians, Muslims, Indigenous African Religions’ traditionalists to come together in a common understanding that they can all live together in peace and harmony, in accordance with Surah Al-Kafirun''
in the midst of that, let us recall bob marley- ''everyone is crying out for peace, no one is crying out for justice, equal rights and justice''-as long as there is mutual understanding of the fact that ''peace and harmony'' implies equal rights and justice for all, not the freedom for some to feed on others who remain supine, the kind of peace espoused by a representative of Buhari's govt who urged that it is better for communities to surrender their lands for use as ranches by fulani herdsmen rather than, by their refusal to surrender such land, to risk or court death at the hands of those herdsmen and their enablers, a world in which violent fulani herdsmen and massacre perpetuating fulani militia roam free, mob murderers in the name of islam roam free, their civil society enablers are vocal and free, yet the Adamawa farmer who killed a Fulani herdsmen attacker who accosted him on his farm is sentenced to death.
when you examine the assumptions in your previous response, as i suggested earlier, ill be happy to respond.
toyin
Stockholm
Planet of the People
6th November, 2025
Oluwatoyin,
Your Parthian shot is that when I examine the assumptions in my previous response, as you suggested earlier, you’ll be happy to respond.
My assumptions ? Which assumptions? That you were happily or unhappily reading and understanding, agreeing or not agreeing with what I was saying?
If only I could respond with the grace and elegance of John Onyeukwu I’m sure that I would not be causing any offence, nor could you possibly be charging me with criminal intentions, blasphemy or treason like your friend
In all this, the main missing ingredient is The Rule of Law
Once again, I must draw your attention to Bishop Krister Stendhal's three rules
For your edification there’s Muhammad the Greatest by Ahmed Deedat
Or do you think that when it comes to pedigree Trump or any of his predecessors or ancestors are greater?
Hopefully, you don’t dispute George Bernard Shaw ‘s well known very high opinion of the Seal of Islam’s Prophets, Muhammad Ibn Abdallah, salallahu alaihi wa salaam:
Some more, not leaves of grass but leaves from the past :
George Bernard Shaw on Muhammad ( S.A.W.)
For further education about this check out any of these sites
Just as with Islam, you want to point out the tension between practical and theoretical Christianity - the ideals enshrined in the Gospels, Pauls’ letters, and other epistles written in literary Greek by some semi-literate fishermen in the so called “New Testament “ era , and the practical realities such as the Crusades which were not at all about turning the other cheek or following Jesus’ teachings about loving your enemies and not perishing by the sword through “Infallible Pope Pius” turning his nose in the other direction whilst Jesus’ relatives were being slaughtered mercilessly during the Holocaust, by Mister Hitler the Nazi, a member of his Holy Roman Catholic Church.
And, Ok, is there a difference between Shehu Usman dan Fodio’s compassionate teaching and the practical realities of the Fulani Jihads in those days and even earlier when according to the Almighty's instructions of Devarim / Deuteronomy 12:2-4 to His dearly beloved people,
“You must destroy all the sites at which the nations you are to dispossess worshiped their gods, whether on lofty mountains and on hills or under any luxuriant tree.
Tear down their altars, smash their pillars, put their sacred posts to the fire, and cut down the images of their gods, obliterating their name from that site.
Do not worship your God יהוה in like manner…”
And in another day, another age and another location such as your neck of the words in Nigeria, that would have been the end of your dearly beloved forest shrines
Your hobby horse (in this case it’s more like flogging a dead horse) : You want to make a perennial issue out of the Fulani Herdsmen debacle which generated a few dozen posts by Oluwatoyin Vincent Adepoju to this forum, although that occurrence of alleged Fulani Herdsmen violence has dwindled considerably to the point of not being an issue any more with ranching gradually taking over as a feasible solution…
N.B. He who feels it knows. Just as with the parable of the blind men and the elephant , so too what you deem to be A.G.Abubakar’s “half truths” are really what you see looking through the glass darkly
There are many Northern Nigerian intellectuals not least of all Sanusi Lamido Sanusi and Bishop Matthew Hassan Kukah who have poignantly diagnosed some of the problems the North is currently facing and proffered solutions beginning with the importance of education…
Oluwatoyin,
To date, my main source of Nigerian History of that period is from the relevant chapters of Michael Crowder’s seminal The Story of Nigeria ,and also from attending some of my Better Half’s graduate history lectures at Legon ( 1970-71) and from some informal conversations over several bottles of alcoholic beverages with friend Jeff Holden , an Englishman and great fan of Shehu Usman dan Fodio -this was before he was eventually deported from Ghana - given 24 hours to leave the country for saying, “The money of the workers and peasants of Ghana is not being used in their best interests"
Back then I knew zilch about al-Islam and had never even seen a mosque, speak less of setting foot inside one
Just now, I would advise you to disabuse yourself of the petty tittle-tattle that you suggest :
“ The opinions you choose to form from selective interpretations on
USAAfrica Dialogues do not nececesarily represent the facts of Nigerian history nor the trend of Nigerian public opinion.
If you do Google searches on those subjects as well as engage a robust use of Facebook and Twitter you would get a clearer idea.”
And exactly who you think you are?
By the way , the humblest man I have ever met was Abu wafa al Taftazani, a Rifa’i Sheikh and the then Professor of Islamic Philosophy at Cairo University ( you know, the venue and podium from which Barack Obama said “ Asalamu Alaikum “ and kick-started the Arab Spring) -I met Abu-wafa a few days after Ramadan in 1991 ; I had an hour-long audience with him in his office and was initiated into the Rifai Sufi order at the Al-Rifa'i Mosque in Cairo, that afternoon…
For your own sake, please refrain from speaking about things that you don’t know anything about or saying anything evil about any of the servants past or present, of Allah Subhanahu Wa Ta'ala
Abu al-Wafa' al-Ghanimi al-Taftazani (Google
Abu al-Wafa' al-Ghanimi al-Taftazani ( Bing
The Qasida Al-Burda // The Qasida Al-Burda
The Abu al-Abbas al-Mursi Mosque