Is South Africa Africa Worse off Under Black People? : Electricity and Development Problems and the Question of Race : A Debate

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Where are you going with this, Adepoju?

Another way to approach this issue would be to solicit submissions for solving the current

electricity deficit in South Africa- to prevent white

nationalists from exploiting the matter on their political platforms.

Meaningful debates are always helpful.

GE

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Is South Africa Africa Worse off Under Black People?

Electricity and Development Problems and the Question of Race

A Debate

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"South Africa's troubled state-run electricity firm, Eskom, says 11 of its power plants have been shut down"
What's wrong with us?

It is our attitudes, culture of corruption and greed.

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Whites would always do things in their interest. No one can create a safe Haven for the black man except the black man.

Also if you're looking for a country where it's leaders are creating a safe haven for it's citizens, Rwanda is a good case study and they're not whites😜. They proved that advancement isn't synonymous with white people, proper planning does and that's what they're doing.
You and I are no different & that white savior mentality would continue to make us intellectually lazy inferior & underdeveloped.

Well organised and functioning infrastructures were handed over to us on a gold plated plate and we messed them up.

Some years back (during ANC era), I read some reports on SA electricity status. Electricity requirements were not factored into new housing units developments. It was just growth, growth in housing units without commensurate growth/investment in electricity needs. Hence, arriving at this junction today is sure.

We tend not to think about the future (immediate and far). Chance rules most of what we do. This tends to permeate our actions!

We now need to find out why, why chance rules! If we succeed in this quest, I think we might find answers to most of our issues (problems).

I understand the sarcasm though 😂

Bottom line is that the power oligarchs want it unbundled and privatized. Meaning to chop the firm into smaller parts and sell off to friends and cronies.

The majority of the people are resisting, especially those employed by the outfit overseen by their very strong trade unions.

If you ask me, I'll say there is a lot of sabotage going on, to force the people to accept that Eskom is no longer viable in public ownership.

The attendant consequences would be severe, if the Nigerian example of NEPA's 'chop and sell' model is considered.

By and by, it's the people that will suffer.

As part of my academic work here in Sandton City, Johannesburg, I've had course to meet with and interact with senior policy makers and operations managers at Eskom, the top echelon of ANC power brokers and directors from the power regulatory agencies at several fora in the last 6 months.

There's sabotage in the system, undoubtedly.

But then there is government policy failure at a massive scale. For instance Soweto municipality alone owes Eskom as much as R17 billion (just about half of almost R40 billion owed the firm in total) , likewise other municipalities who are, in the first place, tasked with selling electricity and recouping funds. The debt is mountain fast.

The failure is thus, and it cuts across other sectors too:

ANC feels threatened by the opposition DA and the new EFF popularity, considering how many seats it lost in the last elections. Combined, both parties are closing up the gap, picking up an unprecedented number of parliament seats and mercilessly demystifying the once hallowed anti-apartheid liberation movement/party.

Soweto (harboring about 1.5 million people), like other such big townships are where the votes are. ANC would never go after the funds owed. They need the votes to stay in power so the pamper these folks (applies to almost every other goverment policy and actions - or inactions too).

To stay in power and ensure Eskom survives as a going concern, the short cut is to unbundle and sell it off.

But that's not the proper solution.

As part of the academia and first hand witness of how a similar process played out in Nigeria, I've been requested to advise at several technical fora, with empirical hindsight on the way forward.

In confidence, I can tell you it's a very messy position at the moment.

The problems are multifaceted and the options to solve them, very limited.

The biggest problem, however, is the geriatric-led ANC bereft of ideas on moving the country forward, while trying to remain popular and stay in power by any means necessary at the same time.

With as much as 45% of the whole of Africa's total electricity generation coming from Eskom alone, servicing much of southern Africa, it's death would usher in a very dark day on the continent.

P. S. Two separate well planned and executed 4hrs 30mins long power outages (called load shedding here) in the last 24 hours in my apartment has confirmed that things are getting worse. It has not been this bad.

It's like Deja Vu, my Johannesburg is turning into my Lagos, slowly!

Shame!

It is more about our attitudes to management, insatiable greed and corruption.

WATCH: EFF SET TO FIGHT FOR ESKOM!

The author, as far as I am concerned, correctly diagnosed the REAL problem with BLACKS as MENTAL POVERTY..

When it comes to government institutions, an African man can useless it with reckless abandon

The teary-eyed-politically-correct entities will disagree but empirical evidence abounds

All the Apartheid leftovers infrastructures are being killed by black South Africans of the leadership rank and file.

We can disagree, but it is the truth.
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WE KILL KILL KILL KILL any governmental thing we come in contact with.

I have stopped mouthing PAN-AFRICANIST rhetoric until we start walking the talk

The white man will begin to respect us when we start outdoing them on such things as African developmental strides

Not useless black solidarity movement that betrays itself and filled to the brim with sentiments

2. Power outages in South Africa gradually becoming a norm. Africa my Africa. Some of my friends are still in denial. GRADUALLY!!

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Power outages in South Africa gradually becoming a norm. Africa my Africa. Some of my friends are still in denial. GRADUALLY!!

Power outages in South Africa gradually becoming a norm. Africa my Africa. Some of my friends are still in denial. GRADUALLY!!Power outages in South Africa gradually becoming a norm. Africa my Africa. Some of my friends are still in denial. GRADUALLY!!Power outages in South Africa gradually becoming a norm. Africa my Africa. Some of my friends are still in denial. GRADUALLY!!

Bro, not true.

I lived there for almost 11 years.

The black man has political freedom

He does not have any economic freedom

The infrastructure is fast decaying

A few elitist black groups replaced the white aristocracy, well, they were cut some slack and allowed to get rich but it ends there. The rest of the people are living as if nothing changed.

Well.

Thing is, the SA infrastructure is fast becoming despicable

Health, Power..you name it...all destroyed.

Talk about corruption, they have started competing with Nigeria somehow.

They have not built on the white man's leftover QED

Blacks under apartheid - South Africa

Blacks under apartheid - South Africa

Politically, the ANC is in charge. but have continued to fail.

That country cannot afford power outages

That country was built foe steady power supply

This cannot be the white man's fault bro

Currently, there has been a big scandal in that country

Look up Bossasa inquiries...Massive corruption ongoing perpetrated by people of the darker hue.

But one can still argue that South Africa as a country or city is better during apartheid regime,true.
Blacks now are far better than during apathied regime.

History, facts, and logic does not care about anyone's feelings

Nigeria was not always a DARK place

Once upon a time, we had a steady power supply but as more people got connected to the national grid, we refused to build more power plants until darkness took over

SA is heading in the same direction.

It all started around 2008,..gradually and surely, it is creeping in more and more.

BLACK MAN CAN BE A CHRONIC FAILURE

JOKES APART.

The apartheid infrastructure leftover they inherited from the white man is fast vanishing.

Pan-Africanism should not only be mouthed, but it should also be practiced

The black man is and they are embezzling money set aside for building and maintaining them with reckless abandon

Look up the tendering process in SA

You will cry, my sister.

Almost as if they are following our footsteps in Nigeria

The population have grown more since ten years ago

Hope they will do the needful
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One Professor from Wits stated on SABC 1 of those days that Both Mandela and Mbeki totally ignored the warning by experts to build new power plants. They relaxed and stated that they will cross that bridge when they get to the bridge.

It will be hard for them to cope in that country without steady power supply

The infrastructure in that country was sophisticatedly built in anticipation of a steady power supply

The high rise condominiums need steady electricity

That place will go to hell if power continues to blink.

All British Overseas Territories in central America (Carribean) have constant electricity, good roads, good schools and health care as a result of their dependence on the British government.

The people living in British Overseas Territory countries are regarded as British citizens, they can enter the UK, work and live in the UK but they don't actually go to the UK because their countries are better and stable.

The Africans who fought for self-ruled couldn't maintain the infrastructure the British left for them and they are forging documents, dying in the deserts and perishing inside Mediterranean sea in their attempt to gettake Europe despite our independence.

We should just shelf our pride and call back those who know about running an effective government to take over.

Liberia got her Independence in 1822

Ethiopia was never colonised.

Which of those black countries I mentioned above is better than all the countries that got their independence from Russia 28years ago?

Let me break it down a bit

The state capture thingy in SA, was it also the fault of white men?

The corrupt BEE process, is it the fault of the white man?

If really wanna solve our problems as black people, we also need to start telling ourselves some home truths

It is not always somebody else's fault

Saudi Arabia, UAE, Bahrain, Qatar were desert in the 79s just like northern Nigeria but today those Arabs countries are success stories.

Can you explain why a senator of a poor country like Nigeria is getting paid more than the President of the USA and the Prime Minister of the UK?

Can you explain to me why our former minister of petroleum stole $20billion while her village doesn't why electricity and good roads?

Can you explain to me why Abacha stole over $5billion dollars while many Nigerians are homeless and hungry?

Can you explain why the top army officers stole the money meant for buying weapons while Boko Haram is killing our soldiers and innocent citizens on a daily basis?

Then we can sit down and discuss why the British is our enemy.

South Africa inherited world-class infrastructure from the white but they have destroyed most of it

I like PAN-AFRICANSIM but we also need to start telling ourselves some home truth

The black man has a problem

Colonialism aside

Apartheid aside

Today, Pan Africanism is old school.

I don't think so

Something is terribly wrong.

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South Africa has 9 provinces but the most well-managed one is the one managed by white people Western Cape. Coincidence?
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It is either a federation...confederation or nothing

Well, to be fair, during war time, people naturally cut corners

All north African countries are ok... Ethiopia, Angola, Swaziland. ... many honestly

Paul kagame can't say he's the only Rwandan capable of leading since 1994. The lady that challenged him recently had her nude pics shared online by Rwandan intelligence. She was charged to court on trumped up charges and sent to jail. Journalists disappear in Rwanda like flies... Behind all the success story of Rwanda is a very brutal dictator in Paul kagame who is building a personality cult around himself.

Life expectancy and infant mortality rate in Rwanda is still one of the lowest In Africa. Well anyday his romance with western government ends, they'll use the same media they're using to paint him as a saint to destroy him.

All North African countries are OK? Are u serious? Including Libya and Algeria? Only Morocco can he said to be OK there... Egypt is under a brutal dictatorship of General Sisi

I will look at Angola

Ethiopia is trying

Swaziland is a shit hole I am sure

.that country Is a joke.
Them and Lesotho, they have a joke constitutional monarchy there, and their kings have destroyed them.

Are we prepared for the onslaught of the West on us? It will be brutal and regime change will become a go-to tool for the Western intelligence agencies. The madness of the 50s to 80s will be back with such relentless force, your mouth will remain open for a long time.

But should I be surprised that a Trump supporter is a self-loathing African?

Watch Hotel Rwanda for a crash course. Its inadequate but will provide some insight

The struggle was however ongoing. Are we prepared?

(1) There is NO province in SA that is managed exclusively by white or black people. There are both black and white people in management everywhere in the country. (2) There is NO object, independent report anywhere that the Western Cape is the best managed province in South Africa. As I said earlier, you can do a little factchecking of your own. When people make the kind of emphatic sweeping claim made in the lead post, it is important to ask them to state their source. Our poster has no source.

In the last budgetary year, the Western Cape's 23 government ministries and sub-ministries got 18 clean reviews and 5 unqualified audits with findings

This is a vastly improved exhibition than some other provinces

The Auditor General singled out the endeavors of the province, expressing that the Western Cape that "political and managerial initiative set the tone for clean review results at audit outcomes at all provincial cabinet meetings”

78 % of divisions in the Western Cape created clean reviews. Gauteng comes in at an extremely far off second spot with 54%.

These outcomes, shockingly, show how whatever remains of the regions in South Africa keep on being botched.

Eastern Cape, North West and Limpopo are in an especially awful state, with just 15 %, 3 % and 4 % of divisions and substances accepting clean reviews individually.

It is of real worry that the National Government, Kwa-Zulu Natal and Limpopo relapsed on their review discoveries.

The AG referred to the absence of inside control, political will and a noteworthy absence of ramifications for culpable bookkeeping officers, as the purposes behind neglecting to drive clean review results.

The truth is that if a government can't deal with its accounts appropriately, it can't convey the administration the general population need.

Now, watch some blockheads digress and start talking about racism in the Western Cape as if that is the topic

I ask them, in the other 8 provinces where there is no racism, where blacks dominate, how come they cannot put their shit together.?

Mind you, The Auditor General of South Africa is a black man.

He could have played the usual useless black ideology game that lacks substance but he knows that facts don't lie.

Now, the evidence suggests that in all the provinces ran by black people, things are terribly done

But this does not suggest that black is inferior

It suggests that blacks must put their acts together.

It means that we can do better than these white guys but we simply do not want to

We have simply refused to

Because sometimes, we like to do things abnormally.

We can play the victim all we want but we need to start putting our shit together.

I will come back with a list of the rank and file of Western Cape provincial officials.

FACTS don't lie bro
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You always doing one and the same thing always.

Sentiments and emotions always.

I will clear you out don't worry.
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This your friend suffers from inferiority complex.. Go to cape town and see how blacks are maginalized then come back and say western cape is the best managed province in South Africa.
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You guys like to digress and use your pitty party narratives to kill debates.

In which province of South Africa are people not marginalized?

The poorest black people live in all the 9 provinces.

Somehow, western cape manages it's affairs better than the rest.

Whether I have a complex or not does not change the facts available with regards to which province is the best ran in SA.

I will give you facts if you agree to put aside sentiments

I will come with facts.

Enough of surface based conjectures

FACTS time now.

BRB.

Bring those facts.. Y'all the same people who support colonialism and apartheid
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In the last budgetary year, the Western Cape's 23 government ministries and sub-ministries got 18 clean reviews and 5 unqualified audits with findings

This is a vastly improved exhibition than some other provinces

The Auditor General singled out the endeavors of the province, expressing that the Western Cape that "political and managerial initiative set the tone for clean review results at audit outcomes at all provincial cabinet meetings”

78 % of divisions in the Western Cape created clean reviews. Gauteng comes in at an extremely far off second spot with 54%.

These outcomes, shockingly, show how whatever remains of the regions in South Africa keep on being botched.

Eastern Cape, North West and Limpopo are in an especially awful state, with just 15 %, 3 % and 4 % of divisions and substances accepting clean reviews individually.

It is of real worry that the National Government, Kwa-Zulu Natal and Limpopo relapsed on their review discoveries.

The AG referred to the absence of inside control, political will and a noteworthy absence of ramifications for culpable bookkeeping officers, as the purposes behind neglecting to drive clean review results.

The truth is that if a government can't deal with its accounts appropriately, it can't convey the administration the general population need.

Now, watch some blockheads digress and start talking about racism in the Western Cape as if that is the topic

I ask them, in the other 8 provinces where there is no racism, where blacks dominate, how come they cannot put their shit together.?

Mind you, The Auditor General of South Africa is a black man.

He could have played the usual useless black ideology game that lacks substance but he knows that facts don't lie.

Now, the evidence suggests that in all the provinces ran by black people, things are terribly done

But this does not suggest that black is inferior

It suggests that blacks must put their acts together.

It means that we can do better than these white guys but we simply do not want to

We have simply refused to

Because sometimes, we like to do things abnormally

We can play the victim all we want but we need to start putting our shit together.
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These are the best and worst performing municipalities -…

Mokwetu, the Auditor General of SA is also right wing white supremacist?

Please man

The data is from his office

He is ANC bro
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Western cape is one of the most unequal places in the world.. If it was properly run.. There wouldn't be a high level of gansterism and crime, high level of poverty.. poor infrastructure in black and colored townships.. Sagregated universities, high interest rates for blacks/coloreds on insurance, bonds and medical aid etc.. The list can go on and on..
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Don't mind the ideologue

He is no longer capable of critical thinking and self introspection. That is what excessive ideology does to people.

They are victims and it is always other people's fault

He will just be dismissive

That's his only weapon of choice.
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In the last budgetary year, the Western Cape's 23 government ministries and sub-ministries got 18 clean reviews and 5 unqualified audits with findings

This is a vastly improved exhibition than some other provinces

The Auditor General singled out the endeavors of the province, expressing that the Western Cape that "political and managerial initiative set the tone for clean review results at audit outcomes at all provincial cabinet meetings”

78 % of divisions in the Western Cape created clean reviews. Gauteng comes in at an extremely far off second spot with 54%.

These outcomes, shockingly, show how whatever remains of the regions in South Africa keep on being botched.

Eastern Cape, North West and Limpopo are in an especially awful state, with just 15 %, 3 % and 4 % of divisions and substances accepting clean reviews individually.

It is of real worry that the National Government, Kwa-Zulu Natal and Limpopo relapsed on their review discoveries.

The AG referred to the absence of inside control, political will and a noteworthy absence of ramifications for culpable bookkeeping officers, as the purposes behind neglecting to drive clean review results.

The truth is that if a government can't deal with its accounts appropriately, it can't convey the administration the general population need.

Now, watch some blockheads digress and start talking about racism in the Western Cape as if that is the topic

I ask them, in the other 8 provinces where there is no racism, where blacks dominate, how come they cannot put their shit together.?

Mind you, The Auditor General of South Africa is a black man.

He could have played the usual useless black ideology game that lacks substance but he knows that facts don't lie.

Now, the evidence suggests that in all the provinces ran by black people, things are terribly done

But this does not suggest that black is inferior

It suggests that blacks must put their acts together.

It means that we can do better than these white guys but we simply do not want to

We have simply refused to

Because sometimes, we like to do things abnormally

We can play the victim all we want but we need to start putting our shit together.

And that it is not being managed by white South Africans

Above is the only debate I wanna have?

Time for mouthing pan-Africanism without backing it up with seeable tangibles are gone.

If you are willing to have this particular argument, then be my best if not, the rest is just sentiments that helps no one

If I side with whoever and we still continue to punch below our weight as black people, then who benefits from that?

NO ONE.

No conspiracy theory will benefit us more than us telling ourselves some home truths as black people and doing things not expected from us and earning the respect that comes with it

I don't mean the pretentious kind of respect that comes from pretentious and patronizing political correctness that panders more to compassion instead of commandment for competency...Genuine competency

I am not discussing poverty here

Let me give you facts bro
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Where is Gauteng today compared to Western Cape?

The difference is bad and good management

Put sentiment aside and the truth will stare you in the face.
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ANC is black controlled

I can give you the list of the rank and fil of Western Cape officials

And then give you that of the ANC.

My theory will still fit in.

Spin or twist it, it still sticks.
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You agree that the difference exist?

Please read the factual submission I submitted above.
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We must not overlook it.

We must study it

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Gloria,

its simply a presentation of a debate by others.

people are asking why there are strategic infrastructural problems now that Black people are in charge, like they are in charge in the poorly functioning Black countries.

is that not a qs to be expected?

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Where are you going with this, Adepoju?

Another way to approach this issue would be to solicit submissions for solving the current

electricity deficit in South Africa- to prevent white

nationalists from exploiting the matter on their political platforms.

Meaningful debates are always helpful.

GE

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   Electricity and Development Problems and the Question of Race

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"South Africa's troubled state-run electricity firm, Eskom, says 11 of its power plants have been shut down"
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Olatunde Olayinka Ayinde The Africa in South Africa had been silent all along. Now it's no longer silent like the D in Django. Lol

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Akintayo Akinlabi We've been experiencing load shedding every four hours for weeks

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Abiodun Ijawoye Blacks manipulations are beginning to take its evil hold just like what Nigerians now refer to as the good old days

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Ajao Babatunde Inefficiency and corruption.. I guess!

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Emeagwali, Gloria (History)

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What is really stupid, dumb, irrational and backward is to claim that there is a genetic connection

between electricity generation in power plants and humans.

The debate is a waste of time and should be reframed.

Professor Gloria Emeagwali
History Department

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i feel that by posing the difference in regimes along racial lines, too much is lost. for instance, it used to be called "white minority" rule, and now it is black majority. we don't say "black majority" for any other african country. why should we? but we do characterize the various regimes as democratic and authoritarian, or as more or less socialist, or more or less

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i wonder if its a waste of time.

should Black people not ask themselves these qs? is the qs not a challenge?

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