Let Us Separate Peacefully By Tola Adeniyi - Newspot Nigeria

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Tola Adeniyi debunks many of Nigeria's "we must stay together"  and "we must remain one" at all costs arguments in this interesting presentation. 






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Omoba.

The main thrust of this piece by Akogun Tola Adeniyi is: the Igbo want to separate from Nigeria which he leapfrogged to the conclusion : let Nigeria separate peacefully.




1.  The premise can only be confirmed by a referendum of Igbo nationals.

2. Even if confirmed that does not translate into: Let the rest of the country separate into their constituent parts.  The rest will simply have to bid their Igbo brethren and sisters a tearful and nostalgic goodbye.  The Igbo cant insist if we go, the rest of you must go too!

If the rest see how the Igbo are thriving in their separate nation, may be that would convince them to leave the union at a later date.

As sage and poet WS puts it (supported by the recent stance of another celebrated poet Niyi Osundare),
the rest of the Nigerian nationalities have the right to declare :

' I may not go with you
 companions of the 
broken buoy.'

This is why I support the Senate Speaker's position that the referendum for Igbo separatism is the most urgent task facing the nation before constitutional amendment:  the Constitution can only be meant for those who agree to be bound by it as willing nationals.  If after the current amendment the Igbo decide to leave then the futile amendment will need to be redone for those remaining as Nigerians.

No force can stop the Igbo nation from leaving the Nigerian union ultimately if they are determined to do so by peaceful means.

If the national referendum question is ' let the Nigerian nationalities go their separate ways, Yes or No?,  it will frustrate and defeat the purported Igbo yearnings because most communities in the North will put a clear ' No.'




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Sorry that is not the basis of his argument. Please go over it again. There is no where in his argument that the Igbos were singled out as a pilot proposition for a peaceful dissolution of Nigeria. He dismissed the logic of fears of people with conspiracy theories of war, loss of properties and disability in governance in the new separate nations amongst others. His argument is not only morally and logically persuasive but also socially, politically and economically convincing. 
The author’s name is Tola Adeniyi he did not write Akogun Tola Adeniyi. 
Segun Ogungbemi. 

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Anthony Akinola

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Learn to live together and be one of the great nations of the world.
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Better put-seperation of SE.

Not all Igbo people want out of Nigeria.

Referendum should be for a new nation carved out of the SE which anyone, Igbo or non-Igbo, may join, without having to leave where they live at present, like one can live somewhere else without being a national there.

Igbos who don't want to be part of Biafra would simply indicate so in this nation wide referendum.

Every non-Igbo who wants to be part of Biafra would also indicate.

Those who wish to leave outside the SE but as migrants elsewhere in Nigeria  may do so.

Whatever method is used, I expect Biafra to emerge.

Many Nigerians are fed up with Nigeria.

If the SS has a referendum, they will also go, as most likely we all know.

The whole neither dead nor alive excuse for nationhood that is Nigerian nationhood is something many Nigerians are tired of.

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Toyin,
Nigerians at independence were not made to be together at all cost. They did not wage war to be a union so why should their disengagement cause the roars of war in order to force them to remain united at their displeasure? 
Those who want to have Oduduwa State/Yoruba nation should be allowed to go peacefully. I think Tola Adeniyi has allayed the fears of doomsayers against disintegration. 
Toyin,  for how long shall we continue with the mentality of “tomorrow go better” or omo mi ko pasi, omo mi ko feli, omo mi ko kuro loju kan?  as Baba Sala used to say. This mentality has impeded our development and it is time to stop it. We should go our separate ways. 
Segun Ogungbemi. 

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Jun 25, 2021, 3:09:00 PM6/25/21
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Not jumping the gun : Will the result of the referendum/s be binding?

Any proposals yet about mapping out where the Independence Referendums should be held? 

All the states in the federation? Which states in the federation? The Referendum Map of Nigeria

I imagine that in e.g. Abia State, the Abians should be required to think twice before casting their referendum ballot by which they answer this question about their future: "Do you want to leave Nigeria or do you want to stay, yes or no?" If the resounding result is "no" in some of those ethnic enclaves and " Yes" in some others, what happens next? 



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 As we all know, a nationwide referendum or local referendums on regional secessions/ independence could prove to be a complicated and costly affair. The heated propaganda on both sides, those for unification, unity, staying united as one country , and those for secession, regional autonomy/ independence , would not be necessarily peaceful where there are very mixed ethnic populations. I can hear the loudspeakers blaring songs of freedom, Phil Collins singing “Another Day in Paradise “, violent clashes, here and there, some religious frictions, there and here…

I read this post, Patriotic Songs ( about the United Kingdom) and can't help thinking of Nigeria thriving best under a constitution that makes her “ The United States of Nigeria”  


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Your model is too complicated to be featured in a referendum.. There will have to be several referendums ( It would be like the British government being asked to also feature the independence of Wales and Northern Ireland in the Scottish independence referendum.  The others never agitated for independence as vociferously as Scotland and they still dont. Or, for the British to advocate that in addition to having BREXIT the European Union itself should be dissolved alongside BREXIT!  The other members of EU will simply laugh them to scorn.)

It would be unfair to the Igbo not to acknowledge that this initiative is largely Igbo even if it is not embraced by all Igbo.  What is more, it will be an Igbo dominated enclave

There is no reason to expect that the voices of non- Igbo will be heard any more than they are in the wider Nigeria and that they will receive better justice and non- marginalisation any more than the likes of Victor Banjo did in the defunct Biafra.


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Better put-seperation of SE.

Not all Igbo people want out of Nigeria.

Referendum should be for a new nation carved out of the SE which anyone, Igbo or non-Igbo, may join, without having to leave where they live at present, like one can live somewhere else without being a national there.

Igbos who don't want to be part of Biafra would simply indicate so in this nation wide referendum.

Every non-Igbo who wants to be part of Biafra would also indicate.

Those who wish to leave outside the SE but as migrants elsewhere in Nigeria  may do so.

Whatever method is used, I expect Biafra to emerge.

Many Nigerians are fed up with Nigeria.

If the SS has a referendum, they will also go, as most likely we all know.

The whole neither dead nor alive excuse for nationhood that is Nigerian nationhood is something many Nigerians are tired of.

Toyin

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Totally with you Segun.

The invocation of war is part of the standard language of threats of violence and actual demonstration of violence invoked by right wing Muslim Northerners-the dominant voice in the region-in order to arm twist other Nigerians.

From Atiku on violent change, to Buhari on dogs and baboons bathing in blood to Miyetti Allah and terrorist Fulani herdsmen and their militia  to Sheikh Gumi and the Fulani herdsmen kidnap syndicate for which he has become a spokesman, its all the same story- do as we want or we shall kill you, kidnap you, make life difficult for you.

Igbos are being used as the scapegoats for Southern Nigeria's  wishes for a change in the status quo.

Most of us are fed up with this nonsense.

The average person in the Muslim North is beguiled into buying into the story that the wishes of their politicians  are equivalent to their well being, leading from Atiku and his threat of violent change to the Boko Haram escalation to Buhari and his murderous cult following leading to his election and his fueling of Fulani herdsmen terrorism leading to their metamorphosis into the scourge of the North and the rest of Nigeria as Boko Haram eventually became a scourge in the North after intial embrace by a section of opinion there.

Predatory politics of corruption in the South.

Poltics of corruption and terrorism from the North.

The entire system lacking commitment to consistent community building for mutual growth. 

Is the current political system adequate to get us out of this?

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Toyin,
“Is the current political system adequate to get us out of this?” Toyin. 
You have asked a million dollar question. From my experience, it cannot. We will continue to go rigmarole for another 60 years with lamentation. 
Toyin, can you believe the National Assembly building  caved in and rain drenched the place. It is like American Capitol building in the US and members of the National Assembly could not fix it before it caved in and rain drenched the place. If the Lawmakers could not fix their hallow chambers how can they fix a complex issues of governance?
The Lawmakers since 1999 could not amend the constitution they inherited from the military until some Fulani herdsmen became wild and daring in their demands for acquisition of land by force in the southern states. They engaged in terrorism, banditry, killings, raping, kidnapping and payment of ransom with impunity. The APC led government looks the other way when the terrorists were destroying our institutions of learning and making sure many of them were closed down. 
The power house of development is education which has been held hostage by these militant Fulanis whose agenda is to Fulanize and Islamize the country. They have no aesthetic ambience and they detest western education. 
They have a different mindset that is antithetical to other ethnic nationalities. How can we live together under a constitution they don’t understand its language and meaning? How do you coexist and live in peace with them as President Buhari administration demands? 
Therefore, it is obvious that the present political system is not workable. The best option is for those who want to leave should be allowed to do so peacefully. It is foolhardy, in my view, to continue in this dangerous contraption anymore. 
Segun Ogungbemi. 


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