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Anthony Akinola

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NTALLUREVIDEOSEDITORIALVIEWPOINTFORUMJOBSCOLUMNSRELATIONSHIPS BREAKING NEWSTRANSLATE SELECT LANGUAGE▼ Human error: Iran admits shooting down Ukrainian airliner unintentionally ON JANUARY 11, 20203:27 PMIN FOREIGN Kindly Share This Story:FacebookTwitterEmailWhatsAppPinterestShare The general staff of Iran’s armed forces says that Ukraine International Airlines Flight 752, which crashed just after taking off from Tehran’s Airport on January 8, was brought down due to human error, according to state-run Press TV. Iran targeted the passenger plane unintentionally, Press TV reported. US officials previously said they thought the plane had been shot down with two Russian-made surface-to-air missiles, likely by accident. Iran’s President just released a statement on the crash After sending a tweet Saturday morning acknowledging the Ukraine International Airlines flight that crashed this week was shot down, Iran President Hassan Rouhani has released a lengthy statement, calling the incident a “terrible catastrophe.” Read the statement below: Noble people of Iran With the utmost regret and sorrow, hours ago I was informed of the outcome of the General Staff of the Armed Forces’ investigation into the Ukrainian passenger plane crash. In the atmosphere of threats and intimidation by the aggressive American regime against the Iranian nation after the martyrdom of General Qasem Soleimani, and in order to defend ourselves against possible attacks by the American Army, the Armed Forces of the Islamic Republic of Iran were on full alert, which unfortunately led to this terrible catastrophe taking the lives of dozens of innocent people because of human error and mistaken shooting. The Islamic Republic of Iran is deeply sorry by this disastrous mistake, and I extend my deepest condolences to the families of the victims of this tragic incident on behalf of the Islamic Republic of Iran, and instruct all related organs to take all necessary measures to compensate and sympathise with the bereaved families. I also express my deep condolences and sympathy of the Iranian government to the nations, governments and families of non-Iranian victims. The Ministry of Foreign Affairs will be in full consular cooperation to identify and return the bodies of victims to their families. This painful accident is not something that can be easily overlooked. Further investigation is needed to identify all the causes and roots of this tragedy and prosecute the perpetrators of this unforgivable mistake and inform the honourable people of Iran and the families of the victims about it. It is also necessary to adopt the required arrangements and measures to address the weaknesses of the country’s defence systems to make sure such a disaster is never repeated. Again, I extend my condolences to the families of the victims of this painful accident, praying for those who lost their lives and wishing their bereaved families patience and rewards.

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Toyin Falola

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This is a triple tragedy. In the attempt to avenge the death of Soleimani, they lost over 30 people to stampede; and another 200 to human error (or incompetence) to the plane crash. Iranians should direct serious questions to those who govern them.

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Moses

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Oga,

It is easier to blame “the great Satan” and deflect attention from their own failings. It seems that anti-Americanism is the convenient get out of jail card of these authoritarian, incompetent regimes. Do you remember when our own incompetent autocracy in Nigeria waxed nationalistic and anti-American in response to some US senators condemning the illegal detention of Sowore and other activists. Of course, Trump has the tactic even more effective and plausible.

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Ibrahim Abdullah

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Why not pose the same question to those who govern where you presently domicile? 

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America’s Great Satan

The 40-Year Obsession With Iran

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Don’t believe the hype: Islamic Revolutionary Guard Corps troops, July 2018SIPA USA / AP

Imagine historians a century from now trying to decide which foreign power the United States feared most in the decades from the late Cold War through 2020. Sifting through the national security strategies of successive administrations, they would see Russia first as an arch-enemy of the United States, then as a friend, and finally as a challenging nuisance. They would see China transform from a sometime partner to a great-power rival. North Korea would appear as a sideshow.

Only one country would be depicted as a persistent and implacable foe: Iran. In its official rhetoric and strategic documents, Washington has, since Iran’s Islamic Revolution in 1979, consistently portrayed the country as a purely hostile and dangerous actor. In recent months, the United States and Iran have once again, as they have many times in the past, approached the brink of conflict: U.S. President Donald Trump has ripped up his predecessor’s nuclear deal with Iran and adopted a policy of “maximum pressure” to strangle the Iranian economy. Iran, meanwhile, has responded by heightening tensions, attacking several oil tankers traversing the Persian Gulf, shooting down a U.S. drone, and striking an oil facility in Abqaiq, Saudi Arabia.

No U.S. president has been as capricious as Trump, and there is a possibility that, after flirting with escalation, he will pivot toward an accommodation with Iran. (His recent dismissal of National Security Adviser John Bolton, an extreme Iran hawk, suggests that this process could already be underway.) But Trump’s approach during his first three years in office did not emerge from a void. It was an extension of the deep animus toward Iran that has plagued U.S. policymaking for the last 40 years. Previous administrations had balanced this hostility with pragmatism and periodic attempts at outreach, often cloaked in the language of confrontation; now, driven by greater political incentives and intensified lobbying by Israel and Saudi Arabia, Trump has inflated this animus to cartoonish proportions. In doing so, he runs the ....



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Moses Ebe Ochonu

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Okey, greetings.

Nice article. I agree about the mutual 'satanic" obsessions with each other when it comes to Iran and the US. My own thought is that the obsession with Iran is largely about Israel and the Evangelicals' obsession with "protecting Israel" from destruction. There are countries in the Middle East, Saudi Arabia being one of them, that should cause the US greater geopolitical anxiety than Iran. But the dual reality of Israel and evangelical political pressure has kept the focus inordinately on Iran. It's not about the hostage crisis and past hostility. If that were the case, the US would not have normalized relations with Vietnam, nor would Reagan, Mark Rich, and other prominent Americans and leaders have done secret business with Iran, supplying her oil, weapons, and other things behind the scenes while continuing with the demonization of the country in public.

Oluwatoyin Vincent Adepoju

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May God protect us from making mistakes on the provocation of our enemies.

Toyin

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The Iranians outbursts of irrational anger led to their deadly and regrettable mistakes. 
They should always allow Reason to control their religious and emotional behavior. 

OLAYINKA AGBETUYI

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Like  I stated before Iran just failed to manage the crisis well this time.

This is the not the first time the US has imposed economic sanctions.

All Iran needed to do was reach out to the US through its friends in Europe (whom Trump would listen to, and who have not rescinded the original deal) behind the scene, and there all Trumps sabre rattling would end with a 'renegotiated" deal or promise of one, instead of the military option.

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Dear Sir,

I’m afraid you’re a little wrong this time, re - your idea that

“All Iran needed to do was reach out to the US through its friends in Europe (whom Trump would listen to, and who have not rescinded the original deal) behind the scene, and there all Trumps sabre rattling would end with a 'renegotiated" deal or promise of one, instead of the military option.”

Just to jog your memory a little, I should like to point out that this is exactly what Iran has been doing all along since Trump tore up the Iran nuclear deal that was so carefully negotiated between Iran and all the world powers and the rest of the UN community including the United States. For instance this morning here’s the latest news from Sweden: Sweden sends special group to embassy in Iran

Otherwise, the EU countries spearheaded by Britain and Germany ( still signatories to the Iran nuclear deal) have been assiduously trying to circumvent the US- imposed sanctions – understandably, because they are still signatories and have not abandoned the deal that they signed up to, and also ( of course) because having to toe the US-imposed Sanction line is not good for business, is hurting their economies – the UK, for instance, loses £20 million per day when out of business with Iran  - Check this out

You are far too optimistic in believing that which in reality has no basis for such optimism about the people in the Neo Con’s Old Europe “whom Trump would listen to”, when you know  as well as everybody else apart from those who so erroneously believe that “ President Trump is the Trumpet of God” when in fact ( to borrow a Wole Soyinka expression) Trump is “ as stubborn as an illiterate goat” and the last thing that an intransigent illiterate goat is going to do in his re-election year is to renege on his earlier promise, so help him, God, to tear up the Iran Nuclear Deal  

 It seems that the specifically Republican bad blood about the deal goes back to the Republican House Speaker John Boehner inviting Israel’s Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu to address Congress about how dangerous Iran’s alleged nuclear ambitions were, especially at the time  Mahmoud Ahmadinejad the then President of Iran speaking in his mother tongue Farsi had made some unfortunate statement to the effect that Iran was going to “wipe out” Israel, interpreted to mean  Iran had the genocidal intention of ( God forbid) ”wiping out “ Israel off the surface of the earth  - a statement which Ahmadinejad and his successors have since modified  and downgraded to merely “erasing Israel from the map”, in turn, interpreted to mean replacing Israel by a Hamas style Islamic Palestinian State on the world’s political map, possibly the world’s twenty-third Arab majority State. Dore Gold has also repeatedly amplified this threat in his Jerusalem Centre for Public Affairs, and of course, never quiet,  the Israel media megaphones have been very effective in spreading the message of Iran’s post-Hitlerian Holocaust intentions. At this stage, it would seem that only unfettered access to all suspect sites and unfettered monitoring of all suspect nuclear activity would calm the fear, not of God, but of a nuclear-armed Iran - feared not only by Israel, Ivanka and Jared Kushner but also Saudi Arabia, among many others.

In the final analysis, short of a bloody and chaotic regime change which would create ten million more refugees, some re-negotiation will have to take place, with a little help from the EU 'Iran and UN-Iran friendly nations (even if just now, after the air disaster, EU - friendly countries and Canada may not be too confident in the current Supreme Leader's regime to climb down in order to pull off a new deal  - even after all, as they have said all along, Islam is against nuclear weapons.



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Oga Cornelius.

I agree that Trump would like to exploit some mileage off his electoral promises.  Bur I alsi know anythibf is pissible in politics.  U am yhinkung if the sabre eattkung with Noeth Kirea where oeoole thought armageddob was ob the brink with US carriees inching theie way toward Korea.  Both leaders maintained their discipline and not a shot was fired.  It appeared Korea was going to agree to give up its nukes.  What came out of the deal after both readers stared at each other eyeball to eyeball?  They coukd not ho ahead with the deal because of some little misunderstanding about how N. Koeea will implement the drawing up the agreement.  Heaven did not fall.  Both parties went back to  status quo ante with mutual respect.

I have stated that Trump is bullish by nature.  If he tries to bully you to get what he wants and you stand your ground without necessarily launching an attack first ( which is what he wants so he can claim self defence in attacking you) then he turns else where for someone else to bully.

Trump could not have held off the EU forever without some sanction busting resolve being effectively intoduced even if they have to go to the UN security council to achieve this.  US is only one country after all and cant ride rough shod over other western powers if they are ALL united against it.

At any rate PM Boris Johnson has backed my original hunch this morning by opting for a new Trump deal.

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Dear Sir,

I’m afraid you’re a little wrong this time, re - your idea that

“All Iran needed to do was reach out to the US through its friends in Europe (whom Trump would listen to, and who have not rescinded the original deal) behind the scene, and there all Trumps sabre rattling would end with a 'renegotiated" deal or promise of one, instead of the military option.”

Just to jog your memory a little, I should like to point out that this is exactly what Iran has been doing all along since Trump tore up the Iran nuclear deal that was so carefully negotiated between Iran and all the world powers and the rest of the UN community including the United States. For instance this morning here’s the latest news from Sweden: Sweden sends special group to embassy in Iran

Otherwise, the EU countries spearheaded by Britain and Germany ( still signatories to the Iran nuclear deal) have been assiduously trying to circumvent the US- imposed sanctions – understandably, because they are still signatories and have not abandoned the deal that they signed up to, and also ( of course) because having to toe the US-imposed Sanction line is not good for business, is hurting their economies – the UK, for instance, loses £20 million per day when out of business with Iran  - Check this out

You are far too optimistic in believing that which in reality has no basis for such optimism about the people in the Neo Con’s Old Europe “whom Trump would listen to”, when you know  as well as everybody else apart from those who so erroneously believe that “ President Trump is the Trumpet of God” when in fact ( to borrow a Wole Soyinka expression) Trump is “ as stubborn as an illiterate goat” and the last thing that an intransigent illiterate goat is going to do in his re-election year is to renege on his earlier promise, so help him, God, to tear up the Iran Nuclear Deal  

 It seems that the specifically Republican bad blood about the deal goes back to the Republican House Speaker John Boehner inviting Israel’s Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu to address Congress about how dangerous Iran’s alleged nuclear ambitions were, especially at the time  Mahmoud Ahmadinejad the then President of Iran speaking in his mother tongue Farsi had made some unfortunate statement to the effect that Iran was going to “wipe out” Israel, interpreted to mean  Iran had the genocidal intention of ( God forbid) ”wiping out “ Israel off the surface of the earth  - a statement which Ahmadinejad and his successors have since modified  and downgraded to merely “erasing Israel from the map”, in turn, interpreted to mean replacing Israel by a Hamas style Islamic Palestinian State on the world’s political map, possibly the world’s twenty-third Arab majority State. Dore Gold has also repeatedly amplified this threat in his Jerusalem Centre for Public Affairs, and of course, never quiet,  the Israel media megaphones have been very effective in spreading the message of Iran’s post-Hitlerian Holocaust intentions. At this stage, it would seem that only unfettered access to all suspect sites and unfettered monitoring of all suspect nuclear activity would calm the fear, not of God, but of a nuclear-armed Iran - feared not only by Israel, Ivanka and Jared Kushner but also Saudi Arabia, among many others.

In the final analysis, short of a bloody and chaotic regime change which would create ten million more refugees, some re-negotiation will have to take place, with a little help from the EU 'Iran and UN-Iran friendly nations (even if just now, after the air disaster, EU - friendly countries and Canada may not be too confident in the current Supreme Leader's regime to climb down in order to pull off a new deal  - even after all, as they have said all along, Islam is against nuclear weapons.


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I agree that Trump would like to exploit some mileage off his electoral promises.  But I also know anything is possible in politics.  I am thinking if the sabre rattling with North Korea where people thought armageddon was on the brink with US carriers inching their way toward Korea.  Both leaders maintained their discipline and not a shot was fired.  It appeared Korea was going to agree to give up its nukes.  What came out of the deal after both leaders stared at each other eyeball to eyeball?  They could not go ahead with the deal because of some little misunderstanding about how N. Koeea would implement the drawing up the agreement.  Heaven did not fall.  Both parties went back to  status quo ante with mutual respect.

I have stated that Trump is bullish by nature.  If he tries to bully you to get what he wants and you stand your ground without necessarily launching an attack first ( which is what he wants so he could claim self defence in attacking you) then he turns elsewhere for someone else to bully.

Trump could not have held off the EU forever without some sanction busting resolve being effectively introduced even if they have to go to the UN security council to achieve this.  US is only one country after all and cant ride rough shod over other western powers if they are ALL united against it.

Cornelius Hamelberg

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Lord Agbetuyi ,

You were right about this ( “ reach out to the US through its friends in Europe (whom Trump would listen to, and who have not rescinded the original deal) behind the scene, and there all Trumps sabre rattling would end with a 'renegotiated" deal or promise of one, instead of the military option.”)

 I share your optimism with regard to the very latest about the Iran Nuclear Deal

It’s absolutely logical coming from the UK’s Prime Minister Boris Brexit Johnson that the defects in the Iran Nuclear deal should be corrected. In turn, our friends in Iran should be reasonable and realistic enough to agree with the amendments that can be negotiated or continue to suffer more unnecessary pain from the kinds of economic sanctions that the EU and some others are  about to impose, all because of Iran’s obdurate non-compliance and their most recent and most dangerous step of all, breaking the terms of the nuclear deal by accelerating their uranium enrichment to the dangerous levels that are not sanctioned by the nuclear deal that’s acknowledged by the other signatories of that deal.

 If, as the Mullah’s say “Islam is against nuclear weapons “, then why should they want to enrich uranium to nuclear weapons-grade for their ballistic missiles?

Before this latest move by Britain, France and Germany, Iran’s best bet would have been to sit back and wait, the Mullahs morning, noon and night, down on their knees praying that after Trump some nice, Iran-friendly soul would come along and reverse all the pain that Trump’s sanctions have inflicted on their economy and Iran’s long-suffering people, so far.

With Trump getting ready to continue his occupation of the Oval Office from 20th January 2021 – to 20th January 2024, the following is clear: In his second term he will be tempted to do exactly as he likes, so Iran had better beware (which means that Iran had better be very careful).

 My impression is that it’s no longer only the Iran Nuclear deal per se, and that what the United States and Israel too would like to see suitably adjusted is  Iran’s adventurism in Iraq and Syria, they would like to see Iran’s withdrawal of support for the unfriendly Hezbollah terror threats to Israel from Lebanon,  and more sympathetically, a cooling down of the temperatures between Iran and the Saudis, amicable solutions to  Iran’s troubles in Bahrain and the East of Saudi Arabia where the Saudi Shiites live and where most of the Saudi oil is buried, and lastly, a guaranteed free passage to all oil traffic  through the straits of Hormuz, in the Persian Gulf, that Iran continually threatens they will block, in the case of conflict in that area.

Iran has already demonstrated that if they want to, they have the capacity they can set all the oilfields in Saudi Arabia on fire, they can shoot down drones and they can shoot down planes…

In short,  to a great extent, Trump would like to direct Iran’s foreign policy in the troubled Middle East, would like the Mullahs to repent, to stop chanting “ Death to America” and “Death” to Israel, to replace that kind of political and militaristic behaviour to behaviour that is more loving towards Uncle Sam and more Israel-friendly…

These guys don’t know what time it is

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