Re: Before You Crucify Dasuki, By Pius Adesanmi

[Mobolaji Aluko]

Obi Nwakanma:

And from your astute GENERAL observation below, what are now supposed to do: EXCLUDE in general ALL non-Igbos from where there might be corruption? Exclude the goats from the yam?  Remember that in making your observation, you are INCLUDING in general Tiv, Itsekiri, Urhobo, Ogoni, Tapa, along with your obvious targets: Yoruba, Hausa and Fulani - at least until and unless you make the exceptions more explicit.

So what do you say when you are reminded that IN GENERAL all the commanding heights of the finances and economy and administration of GEJ's administration were occupied by Igbo or Igbo affiliates, starting with GEJ himself (an adopted Igbo son called Azikiwe); Okonjo-Iweala (FMF-CME), continuing with Allison-Madueke (MOP), to Emefiele (CBN), to Okongwu (BO), to Oti (SEC), to Nwanze (AFMF), to Nwankwo (DMO), to Obi (NSE), Eze (BPP) , not to talk of Anyim (SGF), Ekwerenmadu (SDP), Ihedioha (HDS), Oduah (FMA) and Ihejerika (Army)?

What were they all doing when all this roguery was going on - sleeping at the helms of being guardians of our society?  Will it be better if they switched places with the Yoruba and Hausa-Fulani and Tiv and Urhobo ....

Please tell this audience.....

No, Obi Nwakanma, don't go there:  counting our own rogues as fewer as other peoples rogues will do the country no good, because the total devastation is equal to the number of rogues multiplied by the average amount of roguery - both known and unknown.  And remember that our rogues may be more clever that other rogues in hiding their loot.  

Some of the roguery that I am reading are pretty silly and easily discovered,  except that they did not expect to be discovered, which happened when the sitting party lost.  I mean: if you are given a N300 million consultancy project - as Dr Iyorcha Ayo or Maazi Nduka Obaigbena were given -  where is the advertisment and  contract paper?  Dates and names and work description?  Payment schedule and completion certificates?

See....

No, Obi Nwakanma, in the simplest sense, 

(1)  a polity is comprised of the Governed, the Governors and the Governing Institutions and Laws in between them.   

(2)  It must be presumed that the purpose of the polity is to ensure the greatest good for the greatest number of the Governed, not the Governors, which is not the present case in Nigeria.   

(3)  In a democracy the MOST IMPORTANT institution is the Election Institution and Related Laws, because if the Governed cannot choose and change their Governors right, then the Governors can do ANYTHING that they wish with impunity.    We must get our ELECTIONS right.....we must improve on what we currently have, and we will get there..

(4)  The next important institution is the Legislative Assembly and the Constitution, with the presumption that laws (and the Constitution, which is the grund norm of all laws) are established for the purpose of ensuring the greatest good for the greatest number of the Governed.  Our legislators must not become our masters.......

(5) Finally, is the importance of equality before the Law of both the Governed and the Governors, so that no one of them is ABOVE the law, or BENEATH it either, and that EACH one is PERSONALLY responsible for both rewards AND sanctions for obeying or disobeying the law.  For example, the concept whereby a GOVERNED believes that he is exonerated from sanction because he has been so directed to carry out an illegal act (like sign off cash from the official till) by a GOVERNOR (by which I mean SUPERIOR here) must be banished from Nigeria.....along with protection of those who refuse to act illegally upon such instruction.  All who act illegally must be punished.

And there you have it.

Bolaji Aluko

PS:  In the ongoing roguery, may I suggest that:

(1)  we recover all loot - or as much as possible.

(2)  where we don't believe that we have recovered enough from a given person - including after selling off their known property - we substitute a jail term, like 5 years for every un-recovered N100 million.

(3)  that we BAN from political office for 15 years (or even for life) every one so convicted, and ban from directorship of companies that do work for government.

(4)  And so on....

There is too much roguery being revealed...

On Sun, Dec 13, 2015 at 9:14 PM, Rex Marinus <rexma...@hotmail.com> wrote:

Abba:

All you need to establish behavior is to examine a pattern of consistent occurrence. From the Haliburton case to the current Dasukigate, take a look at the regional distribution of the names of the perpetrators, and you will have an answer to Nigeria's problems, and the sources of its corruption. It is a pattern, and you are a scientist, and there is an empirical evidence, right there before you.  Until any further evidence emerges, it is safe to say that the Igbo are generally not involved in the looting of Nigeria. They have made this point consistently. If the Jonathan administration was corrupt, and there was indeed widespread corruption in that administration, you can only imagine what went on before him. Jonathan's was the least corrupt of all the administrations before him. Any examination of the Nigerian government from 1970-2015, will show the same pattern of looting. And it is the same people that have looted Nigeria. There's no escaping that fact.

Obi Nwakanma

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Subject: Re: [Raayiriga] Before You Crucify Dasuki, By Pius Adesanmi

 

So, Nwobodo no be Igbo?  Chei, na war for Pius and una wo.   In any case, Naija's culture of corruption knows no ethnic (or any other) bound.  Thankfully, the current government is determined to exterminate the deadly cancer off Naija's shores....and this, as our beloved Martha Stewart would say, is a good thing.

Abba

On 13 December 2015 at 10:16, Joe Attueyi topc...@yahoo.com [Raayiriga] <Raay...@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

 

1) money he stole went around every ethnicity except the Igbo. No thief from any ethnicity was left behind except Igbo land....Pius Adesanmi 

Well if the Igbos did not get a share of the loot, that should not let them off the hook. We can still blame Iweala!

Those of you blaming Colonel Sambo Dasuki for facilitating prayers with N750 million should remember one thing: he is Nigeria’s most effective practitioner of Federal character and non-discrimination in recent memory.

1)The money he stole went around every ethnicity except the Igbo. No thief from any ethnicity was left behind except Igbo land. One may be inclined to blame him here for marginalizing the Igbo but given his painstaking efforts to admit every ethnicity into Ali Baba’s cave, I’d appeal strongly to the Igbo to forgive him. It’s an honest mistake. President Buhari says that some people have been returning looted funds (name them sir, let them have their day in court). My suggestion is to put Dasuki in charge of these newly-returned funds. He will address his error by making sure that Andy Ubah and Chris Ubah get a piece of the action. Some Yoruba are also grumbling that their own thieves got only roughly N100 million. Don’t be greedy at least your own thieves were present in the cave.

2) The Nobel Prize hero under whose irresponsible non-supervision this mindless plundering took place spent more time on church pulpits than at the presidential desk. There was practically no church he did not attend, kneeling at altars from Abakaliki to Zungeru, flying wealthy Pastors on Presidential trips to Israel, making pastors so comfortable their bling bling began to compete with 50 Cents’, making pastors so comfortable they started to build private Universities and lend their private jets to the Federal Republic of Nigeria for illegal shipment of funds to South Africa.

3) In view of number 2 above, my assessment of things is that Sambo Dasuki’s sensibilities as an inclusive pan-Nigerian visionary was offended by his boss’s over facilitation of Christianity with all the yams flying around. He merely sought to balance the equationby also organizing Islamic prayers with N750 million. Put yourself in the shoes of all the Muslim clerics who for five years saw Pastors become honorary citizens of the vaults of the Central Bank of Nigeria. Dasuki sought to restore a little religious balance in the yam business.

If you ask me, I think he deserves the Nobel Prize for Peace more than his boss but the decision on who clinches the Prize ultimately belongs to the supporters and facilitators of this era.

Credits: Pius Adesanmi, Facebook

 

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[Rex Marinus]

"So what do you say when you are reminded that IN GENERAL all the commanding heights of the finances and economy and administration of GEJ's administration were occupied by Igbo or Igbo affiliates, starting with GEJ himself (an adopted Igbo son called Azikiwe); Okonjo-Iweala (FMF-CME), continuing with Allison-Madueke (MOP), to Emefiele (CBN), to Okongwu (BO), to Oti (SEC), to Nwanze (AFMF), to Nwankwo (DMO), to Obi (NSE), Eze (BPP) , not to talk of Anyim (SGF), Ekwerenmadu (SDP), Ihedioha (HDS), Oduah (FMA) and Ihejerika (Army)"

-Bolaji Aluko

Bolaji Aluko:

 Here's the "commanding height of the fiance and economy of Nigeria" under Jonathan:

A) Ngozi okonjo-Iweala (Fed. min. of Fiance).  Permanent Secretary: Danladi Kifasi, and from 2013, Anastasia Daniel-Nwaobia.

The federal ministry of finance has the following agencies, which constitute the commanding height of Nigerian finance and economic administration, and I will list them and their heads under Jonathan/Okonjo-Iweala:

1. Office of the Accountant General:  AGoF, Jonas Ogunniyi  Otunla

2. Federal Inland Revenue Service:  D-G, Sunday Odugbesan (before him Kabir Mashi & Ifueko Omogui)

3. Investment and Security Tribunal: D-G, Ngozi Chianakwalam

4. National Insurance Commission (NAICOM):  Commissioner for Insurance, Fola Daniel

 5. Nigeria Deposit Insurance co, (NDIC): D-G, Umaru Ibrahim

6. Security & Exchange Commission, SEC: D-G, Arunmah Oteh

7. Nigerian Customs: Abdulahi Dikko

8. Office of debt Management, D-G, Abraham Nwankwo

9. Bureau of Public Enterprise: Emeka Eze.

10. NEXIM,  D-G,  Robert Oryah

11. Central Bank of Nigeria, CBN, Governor, June 2009- Feb, 2014, Godwin Emefiele, June 2014- present. 

B) Olusegun Aganga, Minister of Finance, 2011- 2013, Minister for Trade, Industry, and Investment, 2013-2015.

The problem, Dr. Aluko is, wherever an Igbo name appears, it feels like one too many in your minds. But compare this list to the current list of appointments in Buhari's government. I have not heard you quibble. Its all so good. But let's keep the conversation going...  . I do quite agree with you nonetheless, on your 1-5 of the general principle of the governed, the polity, democracy, and all that good stuff.

Obi Nwakanma

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Subject: [africanworldforum] Re: Before You Crucify Dasuki, By Pius Adesanmi

 

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[Anunoby, Ogugua]

As a general but important point, one is not corrupt because they hold an office in an organization with corrupt officials. They are because there is culpable evidence that they are. Should anyone sensibly argue that because some members of a university administration are corrupt, the university president or bursar is corrupt? I would say "No". 

Investigation and prosecution of corruption is best done in line with the existing laws only in my opinion. No retroactive laws please. Penalties for convicted/ proven culprits may not be made up on the go as has been suggested by some. To do so would very likely result in unequal treatment of equals. Law not the will or caprice of any man or administration should rule.

oa

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[Mobolaji Aluko]

Obi Nwakanma:

I wrote about "commanding heights of the finances and economy and administration" of GEJ's administration, and you came back only on "finances and economy", tactically omitting "administration"?

You sneaky Rasta! :-)

No, Obi Nwakanma:  it is you and your ilk that are ALWAYS counting Igbo, and so sometimes people help you to count.   When a single Igbo doe something good, you shout to high heavens that "Igbos are this good, Igbos are that good", and quickly generalize.  But when an Igbo person is caught stealing or doing something wicked, you keep quiet, and when someone points it out, asking where your voice is, you call that person an "Igbo hater".  When a non-Igbo does good, you keep quiet. But when a non-Igbo does bad, you and your swamp-snakey friends generalize to high heavens, and start to say "In general, Igbos are not like that."

In particular nko?  

Listen up:  I know about Otunla and Dikko, etc. (some of those others that you named command nothing except papers), but my whole point is that we MUST stop counting the ethnicity of our rogues, because that is the ONLY way we can punish them EVENLY and ADEQUATELY without the additional emotionalism of them coming from our ethnicity.  Let me assure you of this:  I do not feel a SINGLE squirm when a Yoruba fellow is caught stealing:  I just say "Good for him - let him give us our money back and be punished for it."  But it does look as if once that person is Igbo, with the siege mentality of a very few loud ones among you, you start to hem and haw - and holler about Biafra and marginalization.

Haba....

And there you have it.

Bolaji Aluko

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[Chidi Anthony Opara]

My worry is that the "thieves" being pulled in seem to be only PDP. When are we going to see the APC "thieves" pulled in? Ot are there no "thieves" in APC?

CAO.

[Chidi Anthony Opara]

[Ayo Obe]

The FGN is examining its own accounts as received from the outgoing administration - what is due and what is owed - and as the previous administration was a PDP one, it stands to reason that the people involved would be mostly PDP members.

Many are calling for actual trial to be commenced in respect of the present revelations, rather than the to and fro in the media that we have been treated to for the past few weeks. Maybe the FGN should deal with the ones on its plate, before going after fresh game. Certainly few people will accept the "all or nothing" argument that we see being propagated with increasing energy: many more Nigerians want something now, and then something more, and then something more, and so on and on. We have allowed the "all or nothing", "double standards", "hypocrisy", argument to hold sway for too long. It may be that Obasanjo, Yar'Adua and Jonathan were influenced by it, but I guess that that if they were, that is one of the areas in respect of which we can look forward to 'change'.

But I suppose that nothing stops those with knowledge from making their report or statement to the EFCC. For all I know PDP is collecting its own evidence of treasury looting as Wike did in Rivers State. Who knows whether we will see some PDP-initiated prosecutions? After all, while there are offences that the EFCC and ICPC can charge to court, there are also state offences that State Attorneys-General can also take up.

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> On 14 Dec 2015, at 8:22 AM, Chidi Anthony Opara <chidi...@gmail.com> wrote:
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> My worry is that the "thieves" being pulled in seem to be only PDP. When are we going to see the APC "thieves" pulled in? Ot are there no "thieves" in APC?
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> CAO.
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[Salimonu Kadiri]

APC has just been in government for six months whereas PDP was in government for 16 years. But even then, Bukola Saraki is officially an APC member and he has been dragged before CCT. Instead of defending himself he has been shopping around in the *Black Judiciary* for injunctions to prevent his trial.
S.Kadiri
 

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> My worry is that the "thieves" being pulled in seem to be only PDP. When are we going to see the APC "thieves" pulled in? Ot are there no "thieves" in APC?
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> CAO.
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[Moses Ebe Ochonu]

Many are calling for actual trial to be commenced in respect of the present revelations, rather than the to and fro in the media that we have been treated to for the past few weeks.  Maybe the FGN should deal with the ones on its plate, before going after fresh game.  Certainly few people will accept the "all or nothing" argument that we see being propagated with increasing energy: many more Nigerians want something now, and then something more, and then something more, and so on and on.  We have allowed the "all or nothing", "double standards", "hypocrisy", argument to hold sway for too long.  It may be that Obasanjo, Yar'Adua and Jonathan were influenced by it, but I guess that that if they were, that is one of the areas in respect of which we can look forward to 'change'.

--Ayo Obe

Yes, Obasanjo started politically selective anticorruption targeting and Yar'Adua and Jonathan learned from the master and perfected it. The politically motivated singling out of Mr. Saraki, as corrupt as he is, was not a good start for Mr. Buhari's government and indicated that he too was reading from the Obasanjo anticorruption playbook. However, the bipartisan, trans-ethnic criticism that greeted that blatantly political prosecution may have worked to alert the president on the dangers of selectivity or of being seen to be politically selective. In the present Dasukigate scandal, there is only a whimper of the familiar criticism of selectivity because everyone sees that the investigators and prosecutors are simply going where the evidence leads them. That is the way it should be.

Politics should not determine who gets charged and who is spared, especially when you have evidence on both of them. It may also be the case, as I pointed out a few days ago, that because the culprits in this case have essentially confessed to the crime, because the accused are a multiethnic group, and given the weight of evidence already leaked into the public space, those who might have invoked the selectivity or ethnic argument have remained muted. Now I am seeing the party affiliation argument being made but it is tepid. I also suspect that, given the fact that these monies where meant for arms purchase for the military and that their theft may have resulted in the death of many Nigerians, folks who might have tried to muddy the waters are too scandalized to do so in this particular tragic instance. 

So, in a strange way, this scandal may have helped Mr. Buhari regain some credibility in the anticorruption department, credibility that the Saraki prosecution eroded. Speaking of credibility, my argument has always been that in a polity like ours, credibility is essential for success in fighting corruption, as it is critical for gaining and keeping public support. Once you lose credibility and public support, the war is doomed and the corrupt will take advantage of it. You only gain and sustain credibility and public support by being evenhanded, impartial, and apolitical in decisions about arrests, prosecutions, etc.

[Moses Ebe Ochonu]

And, by the way, what kind of argument is Obi making, that the absence of an Igbo among the Dasukigate accused persons (so far) indicates that the Igbo have not participated in looting Nigeria? Wow! Certain names come to my mind: Emeka Offer, Andy Ubah, Stellah Oduah, Ojo Maduekwe, etc.

Is it not clear from what has been revealed so far that the NSA slush funds were deployed to fund Jonathan's electoral campaign in regions where he and the PDP rightly thought his support was weak? I mean, one of the items in one of the leaked disbursement memos is blatantly labeled "Operation Capture the Northwest." This item alone attracted more than 300 million Naira. 

Monies were distributed to individuals from the North and Southwest to help Jonathan win in those areas--areas that everyone knew were electorally challenging for the former president, and where he eventually lost the election. Even my own state man, Iyorchia Ayu, collected his own loot ostensibly to help the former president in my state of Benue, where the APC was waxing stronger, and which eventually fell to the APC. So, it's clear that Jonathan and his people were following their analysis of where the Jonathan was weak (an analysis that was spot on) and were disbursing huge sums to politicians from those areas who promised to help ameliorate the weakness. 

Raymond Dokpesi and Obaigbena do not fit that mold but, as media people, they were clearly given money to help make Jonathan's case in the media, to help tarnish Buhari, and to help equalize a media field dominated by Tinubu's print and electronic media empire, which the APC chieftain had put at the disposal of the APC presidential campaign. 

In a nutshell, the Southeast (Igbo zone) presented no electoral worries for Jonathan, and so he and the PDP felt no need to allocate any of the slush funds there, hence no Igbo politician has appeared on the list of beneficiaries (yet). They were pushing NSA monies to areas where they were weak and unpopular. The Southeast was not one such area. There is no need to make ethnic or ethnocentric extrapolations from the scandal. 

The plunder of the Nigerian patrimony has been a multiethnic affair since the country's postcolonial life began, and even if it is quantitatively weighted to one side or the other, that, too, can simply be explained by several factors.

On the appointments, yes, I agree. I was one of those who criticized Buhari for not appointing any Igbo into his inner circle of appointees (before ministerial appointments), and for seeming to stupidly justify this prejudiced action by making the now infamous statement that he had to reward regions that gave him more votes than regions that gave him less--the 97-5 percent statement.

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Moses:

 

You have hit the nail squarely on the head.

 

May your 'tribe' of Nigerians --(i.e. those who think

 and reason like you) continue to multiply

exponentially! Amen.

 

There is no ethnic group in Nigeria that has not

participated in the looting of the treasury

and ruining the dreams of building a prosperous

nation since independence.

 

Looting is a crime of opportunity abetted by lack

of adherence to due process and outright neglect of the

laid down standard operating procedures (SOP)

which are meant to guide government operations.

 

The Diaspora can also not be totally absolved of blame

in the lootomania in Nigeria considering that there

are hundreds of expatriate Nigerians who conspire

with Nigerian public officials to launder the stolen

funds abroad.

 

There are also hundreds of Nigerian commentators

in cyberspace who while not being actively involved in

or benefitting from the looting of Nigerian treasury

nevertheless unwittingly spur on the looting

by jumping to defend each and every member of their

ethnic group who has ever been accused of corruption.

 

Those who are suggesting that the PMB government should not be

probing and prosecuting GEJ and those who served under him

without first probing and prosecuting OBJ and those who served

under him constitute a major albatross to the fight against

corruption in Nigeria.

 

The war on corruption in Nigeria should be waged with

the same vigor regardless of the ethnic origins of the accused!

 

 

Bye,

 

Ola