Dear Sir,
Re- Why Jews don't believe that Jesus is the Messiah.
Dear Sir, there have even been endless jokes about the subject matter - such as this one:
The pope and the rabbi debate
As I see it Sir, through a glass briefly : In all fairness, people are free to believe whatever they want to believe, even if such beliefs sometime have violent consequences, even in Nigeria, follow the the Quran, the Good News Gospels, even fake news, but just look at the mess that Jesus left behind, the destruction of the 2nd Temple, 1st world war and the dissolution of the Ottoman Empire, 2nd world war , Hiroshima and Nagasaki, Apartheid South Africa, the Korean War, the on-going, never-ending, ever-lasting plunder of Africa, the Cuba crisis, the Vietnam War, Israel and the Arabs, the Persians, the Russian Orthodox Church, the Turks, the 3rd world war coming up, for sure.
And Jesus has still not returned from eternity.
As you may have observed, the number three (3) turns up a lot in the history of Christianity:
The three wise men ( like the patient ones, Falola, Harrow, Olukotun)
The trinity (God the Father, Jesus the Son, The holy Ghost , And the mother? Her name is Mary. )
I suppose that the Romans that Christians like most are also three:
1. Pontius Pilate
2. Cornelius the God-fearing Roman Centurion
3. “The Holy Roman Emperor” Constantine of “the Holy Roman Empire”
( Holy Roman Empire such a vast area compared to little Israel still anxious about defensible borders)
In the course of time thereby, not Jerusalem but Rome became the seat of Christianity and “The Bishop of Rome” became the official designation of the Popes; the holy fathers now have the holy city known as the Vatican
( N.B. I am not an enemy of the Catholic church. In the past week I have attended two public lectures organised by the St. Eugenia Catholic Diocese in Stockholm at their bookshop just behind the Great Synagogue of Stockholm - the first lecture was on Science and Religion, the launching of a new book written and published by a local Catholic scientist , the second was more of a political meeting at which the Roman catholic representatives of four of the Swedish political parties discussed to what extent their party agendas are compatible with Catholic teachings. The representative of the Left party was the first to say that of all the Swedish political parties only the far-right anti-immigration Sweden Democrats are opposed to Abortion - which would suggest that they are good Catholics, at least when it comes to the sanctity of the foetus. I was disappointed that at that meeting the Left representative ( I believe a convert from Judaism to R. Catholicism) did not say a word about liberation theology – which I understand the Catholic Church not only hates but is very actively fighting against it – tooth and nail. Nor did she say a word about any of the many encyclicals about the dignity of labour consonant with “laborare est orare”.
Good to know:
The Talmud on Jesus
There have been events such as The Disputation of Barcelona
This verbatim record of Sunni-Shia debate convened by Shah Nader in 1756 in order to unify the various legal Madhhab/s within his Kingdom, when large swathes of Iraq and indeed Afghanistan were parts of his Persian Empire. (I Still feel that I could have done netter, representing the Shia , especially in dealing with the Shia alim's opening argument...
It goes without saying that if long long ago, in some parts of the Christian and the Muslim Empire, Cornelius Ignoramus had said half of the things I have said in this thread I would have been hamstrung or crucified upside down, like Paul.
Today, we may freely dispute and disagree about various ideologies such as Colonialism, Imperialism, Marxism, Nazism etc., (they are what the are) we may even dispute whether or not the Ashanti's Golden Stool was burnished in Heaven or somewhere else in the sky ; we may also dispute all kinds of reported or transmitted histories including those contained in the Legends of the Jews or the Scriptures which report that Joseph's brothers sold Joseph to a caravan of Ishmaelites , just as Africans are accused of having sold their own brethren and sistren into slavery - albeit on an epic scale - less controversial and less irrefutable are the histories of the Middle Passage and man's inhumanity to man from Jan 30, 1933 to May 8, 1945 : The Holocaust .
Latest developments : House of Lords debate on antiSemitism
I don't know about you, but when I listened to this video about the last day of the Passover ( The last Supper?) I got instant enlightenment ( understanding)
Throughout the Christian ages in Europe, the worst of the anti-Semites have been guilty of “the blood libel” which I now understand can be traced back to “The Last Supper” in which Jesus is reported , according to John 6:56 , to have said, “Whoever eats my flesh and drinks my blood remains in me, and I in them.” - this ill report, which has its own roots in an older and more primitive pagan culture – seems to have set on fire that the infantile imagination which is ever prepared and willing to imagine and accept the worst which always has its own special appeal when it is about others and that's why they take delight in accusing the Jewish people of “deicide”, love repeating their most vile, most self-righteous, most holier than thou accusation : “The Jews killed their Messiah !”. I suppose that this makes the accusers feel good. Makes them feel that they are better than those you have lumped together as one flesh, “the local priesthood “ that you say Jesus “ fought”, namely the Sadducees ( who were then in charge of the Temple) and the Pharisees (all of whom the pastors believe to be or to have been hypocrites). Fact is that the Sadducees ( now extinct) mostly of the bourgeoisie class, believed in enjoying all the fruits of the vine in the here and now, the 72 holy virgins, the good food and the blessed wine were to be enjoyed in the here and now not after death: they did not put much faith in the rewards to be enjoyed in the uncertain Hereafter.
Perhaps it's important to make that distinction between Sadducee and Pharisee - even if it doesn't profit a man much in making a distinction between the Nigerian political parties ( between the APC and the PDP , between Brother Buhari and Goodluck Jonathan , between Brother Buhari and that scoundrel Abubakar Bukola Saraki, between Bishop Kukah and the Emir of Kano, between you and Kenneth Harrow, between you and me, that we are all the same “all have sinned”- which I can quite understand from the point of view that the only man that has has ever lived – has ever survived on this earth as God or “the son of God” was Jesus of Nazareth, until as you say, he eventually “handed himself over “ to the Romans authorities , to be crucified between two thieves on that fateful Sabbath eve, just before the sun went down. But did he indeed hand himself over?
The Quran, makes an accusation that is slightly different from the one still being made by the holier than thou : Quran : 4 :157
“They ( the Jews) should not boast, “ Indeed, we have killed the Messiah, Jesus, the son of Mary, the messenger of Allah!” They did not kill him, nor did they crucify him; but someone else was made to resemble him to them. And indeed, those who differ over it are in doubt about it. They have no knowledge of it except the following of assumption. And they did not kill him, for certain.”
It's a very important topic this “Quran : “They should not boast ( the Jews) that they killed Jesus, the son of Mary” ( Of course, for proof they would have to produce the body)
So of these three Sir, who do you believe : the Jews, the Christians or the Muslims?
B'ezrat Hashem, when I return from Hungary, I will take you up on what you said , that “The second Reformation would have suffered the fate of the first if Christendom had not ended the Crusades against the Arab world and Islam at the inception since rather open war on two fronts Catholicism would have first United with a common front against Islam by getting rid of Martin Luther.” But mind you, up to now I am familiar with the the Crusades, mostly from the Muslim point of view - I have not had time to familiarize myself with the Christian points of view about the crusades , but intend to do so especially now that the xenophobic, Islamophobic and anti-immigration winds of change are blowing over the European union countries, like never before and the increasingly paranoid inhabitants of Europe keep on reminding themselves, not about the forthcoming Armageddon and the history, the end of time the end of the world and the end of mankind, but keep on referring back to the future, pointing at The Gates of Vienna and pointing to Muslim immigrants as a trojan horse.....
One last wish dear Sir; don't be aloof and hard-hearted: just as with “ climate change” we are all in the same boat:, so Pray for us ! DO for us all....
Gaia
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