Tinubu’s Certificate saga: We Undertook This Journey At Great Cost- Full Text

[Toyin Falola]

Tinubu’s Certificate saga: We Undertook This Journey At Great Cost- Full Text Of Atiku’s address

https://franktalknow.com/tinubus-certificate-we-undertook-this-journey-at-great-cost-full-text-of-atikus-address/

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[Patrick Effiboley]

Prof Falola,

We read a lot about the certificate of the former president Buhari. This didn't prevented him from governing for the two terms. The new president also has his own ''Certificate saga''. Once this could not be a reason to removing him from the position, we better work so that future presidents show the proof of their certificate/degrees before their candidacy be validated by the INEC. This is my humble point of view

Dr Emery Patrick EFFIBOLEY

Maître de conférences en Histoire de l'Art

Chef, Département d'Histoire et d'Archéologie, Université d'Abomey-Calavi, Bénin

Andrew W. Mellon Postdoctoral Research Fellow, University of the Witwatersrand,Johannesburg,(2014-2016) 

www.researchgate.net/Profile/Emery_Effiboley

 

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[ogunlakaiye]

Atiku Abubakar declared at a press conference to Nigerians and the entire world on October 5, 2023, that  "This quest is not for or about Atiku Abubakar. It is a quest for the enthronement of truth, morality and accountability in our public affairs."  Thus, the truthful, morally and accountable Atiku Abubakar proceeded to tell the world, "In 2007, we came together to form ACN (Action Congress of Nigeria) and in Lagos at the Convention, I emerged and got the ticket." He narrated that Bola Ahmed Tinubu wanted to be his running mate but he rejected it because he was opposed to Muslim-Muslim ticket. For that reason, Atiku claimed that Bola Tinubu abandoned him to support Yar 'Adua. Tacitly referring to Tinubu, Atiku asked, "So where is the ground for him to say I betrayed him?"  Facts are sacred and should be placed in proper perspective. Atiku's crocodile's cry of not wanting Muslim-Muslim ticket is a bluff because Nigeria is not governed with the combined contents of the Bible and Qur'an but a constitution which has nothing to do with the religious beliefs of the President and Vice President.  

Atiku Abubakar lied when he associated himself with forming Action Congress of Nigeria (ACN) in 2007. The fact is that Action Congress (AC) founded by Bola Ahmed Tinubu did not become ACN until December 2010. In 2006, Atiku Abubakar was Vice President to President Olusegun Obasanjo who was determined to prevent Abubakar from succeeding him as President in 2007 on the platform of their party, PDP. So, in 2006, Bola Ahmed Tinubu offered Atiku Abubakar the AC platform to contest the presidential election scheduled to take place on 21 April 2007. As a political bigamist, Atiku Abubakar remained Vice President on the platform of PDP while at the same time he was sleeping with AC as their presidential flag bearer for 2007. Attempt by the PDP to remove Atiku Abubakar from office as PDP Vice President of Nigeria on account of his political whoredom with Action Congress failed because of the Supreme Court decision. However, Obasanjo set up different administrative panel of enquiries that found Atiku Abubakar guilty of embezzlement and fraud which he forwarded to INEC in 2006. Based on those reports from Obasanjo's panels on Atiku, INEC disqualified Atiku Abubakar from contesting the upcoming Presidential election in April 2007. AC then filed a constitutional case against INEC at the Supreme Court. 

On Monday, 26 June 2006, the Supreme Court of Nigeria delivered judgment in the case, AC vs INEC, in which AC asked the Apex court to decide if INEC had the power to disqualify a candidate from contesting in an election. In its decision on that day of June 26, 2006, the Supreme Court said, "Section 36(5) of the 1999 Constitution demands that every person who is charged with a criminal offence should be presumed to be innocent until proved guilty. The trial and conviction by a court is the only constitutionally permitted way to prove guilt and therefore the only ground for the imposition of criminal punishment or penalty for the criminal offences of embezzlement or fraud. The imposition of  penalty of disqualification for embezzlement or fraud on the basis of an indictment for these offences by an administrative panel of inquiry implied presumption of guilt contrary to Section 36(5) of the Constitution of the Federal Republic of Nigeria, 1999. An indictment is no more than an accusation. Allegations of embezzlement or fraud are beyond the reach of an administrative panel and has to be pronounced upon by the Courts." Consequently, the disqualification of AC  candidate, Atiku Abubakar, to participate in the 2007 presidential election by the INEC was nullified by the Supreme Court of Nigeria. Please, note that the case was initiated by AC against INEC and not ACN, which was non-existing then, against INEC as Atiku Abubakar dishonestly claimed at his World Press Conference of Thursday, October 5, 2023.

What Atiku Abubakar worships is money and power and not any noble, higher ideals of honour, principle, love, fellow-feeling and decency. His belief, always, is that others exist only to serve his greed. After the demise of President Yar 'Adua, May 2010, his Vice, Goodluck Jonathan, became substantive president and Atiku Abubakar calculated coldly that Jonathan was not going to contest in the 2011 presidential election, since according to the PDP constitution it was a northerner that should be President of Nigeria after Obasanjo's eight years presidency. Therefore, Atiku Abubakar sneaked back into the PDP and did everything possible to hinder the sitting president, Goodluck Jonathan, from contesting the 2011 presidential election. He contested presidential primary against Jonathan but Atiku lost. Mr. Abubakar consoled himself by thinking that four years run fast and that Jonathan would not seek re-election in 2015 but once again Jonathan floored him and the opportunist, Abubakar, openly crawled to join APC to contest its December 2014 presidential primary which he lost to Muhammadu Buhari who subsequently won against Jonathan. After the defeat of Jonathan, PDP was in disarray and Atiku, the political prostitute without principle and ideology shamelessly re-joined the PDP to become its presidential flag bearer in 2019. Chronologically viewed, it was Atiku political waywardness that made him to swing from AC, that became ACN in 2010, and not because Tinubu did not support him against Yar' Adua in 2006.

If the Supreme Court decision in AC versus INEC in 2006 is juxtaposed on the current Atiku Abubakar's claim that Bola Ahmed Tinubu forged his academic credentials he submitted to INEC in 2022, one will discover that no court, either in Nigeria or USA, has found Bola Ahmed Tinubu guilty of certificate forgery. It was Atiku's devil advocate in Atlanta, despite affirming that Tinubu really attended Chicago State University and graduated there, who began to guess that the certificate submitted to INEC in 2022 by Tinubu was forged and his hunch (suspicion) was that the certificate with which Bola Ahmed Tinubu gained admission into CSU did not belong to him. Yet, the devil advocate confirmed that Tinubu performed well with honours. The menopaused intellectual Atiku is now presenting his devil advocate's presumptions on a probable forgery and fraud by Tinubu as if it were a court decision contrary to Section 36 (5) of the Nigerian Constitution that says that every person who is charged with a criminal offence should be presumed innocent until proven to be guilty. Bola Ahmed Tinubu has not been charged in any court of law for forgery and fraud much less being convicted. That is an indisputable fact.

On Tuesday, October 3, 2023, CSU's Registrar, Caleb Westberg, testified in Court to confirm that Bola Ahmed Tinubu who attended Southwest College is the same person who attended and graduated from the 156-year-old institution in 1979 and also the same person sitting in Aso Rock Villa as President of Nigeria. The Registrar's testimonies are contained in a disposition he made in the Office of Angela Liu, Dechert LLP, on 35 West Wacker Drive, Suite 3400, Chicago, IL 60 601, United States. Mr. Westberg emphasised further that the admission letter issued to Tinubu showed that the Student who schooled there from 1977 to 1979 was a male. The letter of admission sent to him began with, "Dear Mr. Tinubu." With the evidence procured from the records of Tinubu released by the CSU, what Atiku Abubakar are doing with it amounts to pure character assassination with intention to demean and rubbish the image of the President of Nigeria. The damage done to Tinubu personally and the image of Nigeria by Atiku Abubakar in referring to Tinubu as a certificate forger is immeasurable in financial terms. Citing the Judicial Act 87, Subsection 390 of 1968 (as amended) the Presidential Election Petition Tribunal (PEPT) in its judgment of Wednesday, September 6, 2023, sapped the Labour Party, PDP and APM for frivolous petitions which the Court described as "in-congruous, incompetent, nebulous, unmeritorious, fallacious, defective, mischievous and beyond repairs. Thus, the Court fined the LP N47,910,431.78; the PDP N23, 391,001.45; and the APM N13,675,890. In view of this, and considering the immeasurable damage done to the image of Nigeria and the person of Bola Ahmed Tinubu by portraying the president to the whole world as a certificate forger (drug baron), the Supreme Court of Nigeria should fine the propagators of such false accusation trillions of naira to teach future politicians that false accusation is not accepted in practical politics.

Dr Emery Patrick Effiboley has proposed that future presidential candidates should show the proof of their certificates/degrees before their candidacy could be validated by INEC. At moment, Part IV, Article 318(1) (c) of the 1999 Constitution stipulates that Primary School Leaving Certificate is the minimum qualification for any presidential candidate as well as in 318 (1) (c) (iii) the ability of the candidate to read, write, understand and communicate in the English language to the satisfaction of INEC. Not done, Section 318 (1) (d) stipulates that a presidential aspirant can present any other qualification acceptable by the Independent National Electoral Commission. With the afore cited portion of the constitution, INEC has approved all the certificates of presidential candidates in the 2023 elections but politicians will never accept INEC's decision or approvals. Even if INEC were to disapprove any certificate tendered to it by a candidate, it has to go to a court of law to get the candidate disqualified. 

And much to do about certificate, we got to know that Andrew Johnson the 17th President of the United States from 1865 to 1869 was a tailor apprentice. He was an illiterate when he got married at the age of 18 to the 16-year-old Eliza Mc Cardle, a daughter of a local shoe-maker, in 1827. Andrew Johnson's wife taught him how to read and write. Andrew Johnson was elected a Mayor, member of Tennessee House of Representatives and later member of the US Congress where he served for ten years from 1843 to 1853. He was Governor of Tennessee from 1853-1857 and a US Senator from 1857 to 1862 and he was a military governor of occupied Tennessee during the civil war between 1862 and 1865.. On March 4, 1865, Andrew Johnson was elected Vice President to Abraham Lincoln in his second term and 42 days later, when President Lincoln was assassinated, Andrew Johnson was sworn in as the President of the USA. There is difference between native intelligence and book intelligence. The debate over the academic worth of Bola Ahmed Tinubu to be President of Nigeria is primitive and reactionary, and anybody can see that except those who are suffering from intellectual menopause.

S. Kadiri   

[cornelius...@gmail.com]

Once again, beautifully executed,  Baba Kadiri! 

“We Undertook This Journey At Great Cost”  ( Atiku)

Really so ridiculous. 

On the road like Wole Soyinka' s Particulars Joe, flying off in a huff to the United States, the bastion of certificates, Human Rights and Democracy, trying to get an audience with Uncle Sam (Joe Biden) who predictably has no time for the likes of him because precisely just right now President Biden has more than he can deal with waiting for him on his plate and sure as hell has no time for wasting on anybody's certificate, even if the certificate was awarded in Maffia Chicago. This much is sure : Right now President Biden would have time to listen to Bibi Netanyahu but no time for Alhaji Atiku Abubakar. And if Atiku Abubakar thinks that he is such a morally upright gentleman he could have flown over to His Holiness the Pope, shed a few tears at the Vatican and complained to His Holiness about being so unjustly treated,  and whilst at it ,he could have relieved his troubled mind and eased his conscience by confessing to all the sour grapes and envy because he lost the election. Does he think that he lost because of President Tinubu's Certificate? I can assure Alhaji Atiku the defeated Oga (ogre) that Nigerians did not go to the polls to vote for his rival’s certificate. 

Better still in his “quest for the enthronement of truth, morality and accountability in  public affairs” he could have flown over to  - not his billionaire’s apartment in Dubai but at the very least to The Sharif of Mecca  to complain to him about the very bad treatment being meted out to our brothers and sisters among the oppressed Palestinian people in the refugee camps in the West Bank and in the open-air prison known as Gaza, and of course the refugee camps in Lebanon and Jordan and Syria, refugee camps away from home, away from what was a once home, sweet home. Why?   

“We Undertook This Journey At Great Cost” 

We?

He means “he” , the big Oga, mighty kahuna, the loser, the failed wannabe from Nigeria ,undertook the quest in The United States, his main mission, to save his own skin.

He could have used that amount of money to take some of the Almajiri off the street, put them in some good schools so that they too can have a better chance in life, and they too can have a chance to graduate and be awarded genuine certificates like his arch-rival , now his arch-enemy , Nigeria’s democratically elected President Bola Ahmed Tinubu 

But, what else to expect ? These are some of the signs of the times 

[Oluwatoyin Adepoju]

Let's be careful of how we compare US and Nigerian politics.

The Andrew Johnson example Kadiri is invoking is from a distant era in US history.

The US Presidency has since become very elitist educationally, like the UK Prime Ministership.

Since a point in the 20th century, with the maverick exemption of Trump, the US Presidency has been dominated by alumni of Ivy League universities, mostly the most prestigious and most selective of those universities, and more recently, by alumni of two of these universities, Harvard and Yale.

I am also very uncomfortable with efforts to dilute the significance of formal education in the name of what Kadiri is describing as native intelligence.

The variety of learning strategies needs to be appreciated but not at the cost of an uncritical  dilution of the value of formal education.

As for the Nigerian constitution, why set such a low educational bar for the Nigerian Presidency?

What's the rationale?

As for Tinubu and his certificates, why did he not simply tender the documents and silence all doubters?

Why allow all the smoke and wahala?

Thanks

Toyin

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[Moses Ochonu]

Whatever the Supreme Court decides, can we all agree that Tinubu has brought unprecedented shame and embarrassment to Nigeria and the presidency? 

I mean, we’re seriously discussing evidence—real, documented evidence—that the president of the world’s most populous black nation is a drug money launderer, certificate forger, and possible identity thief who has already been caught lying under oath about many aspects of his life, including his educational and work histories.

Let that sink in.

I know that we, as Nigerians, for various reasons, have an infinite capacity to normalize, rationalize, minimize, and sanitize legal, moral, and ethical malfeasance, but I didn’t think that we would do so in spite of the existence of indisputable evidence and when the presidency is the office in question.

This is truly a revealing moment in Nigerian history. 

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[Toyin Falola]

Moses:

For purposes of a robust conversation, how does this apply to the saying, “a people gets the leadership it deserves? “ 

Is emi lokan not now a prayer point?

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[Oluwatoyin Adepoju]

There does not seem to be a universal Nigerian consensus on the forgery and identity theft issues.

The drug running allegation is even more controversial 

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May the Almighty save us all from hypocrisy 

If - and it’s a big if  - if Nigeria was a truly law and order democracy in which the rule of law reigned supreme, then Nigerian people like Moses Ochonu and Franklin Kperogi wouldn’t be waging war on behalf of Alhaji Atiku of all people, as if unaware of the dossiers on him (Atiku), the unflattering charge sheets and the mountains of corruption allegations still being made against him, including what former President Obasanjo himself publicly declared  about his former vice president on the topic of Atiku Abubakar and corruption when Atiku Abubakar served as Nigeria’s vice president under him, thereby giving the meaning of vice a double or added meaning when applied to vice-president Atiku Abubakar, an added inglorious meaning which prompted former president Obasanjo to declare 

“God will never forgive me if I support Atiku for president”

And yet, the same Atiku who had been banned from entering US because of graft, had the audacity to fly to the US to lodge a petty, I’d say a silly complaint about the genuineness of President Tinubu’s degree parchment or a copy of it, even after the State University of Chicago had officially confirmed that Tinubu graduated with flying colours…

Sadly, gone are the good old days of tarring and feathering  (mob justice) when the law and order fraternity having failed woefully to put the wanton criminals behind bars, the people could at least mete out street justice, the only drawback there being that such vicarious satisfaction falls short of the masses getting back all that has been looted by some of these political criminals and their spiritual wickedness being committed with impunity, all over the place. 

In this regard some of the practising Christians take consolation in quoting Ephesians 6:12

If Nigeria was a truly law and order democracy in which the rule of law reigned supreme, then Nigerian people like Moses Ochonu wouldn’t be making spurious allegations about Nigeria’s First Citizen, such as “ Tinubu has brought unprecedented shame and embarrassment to Nigeria and the presidency”  and more cacophony from Ochonu : ” a drug money launderer, certificate forger, and possible identity thief who has already been caught lying under oath about many aspects of his life, including his educational and work histories.”

Dear  Moses Ochonu , if Nigeria were a truly law and order democracy in which the rule of law reigned supreme you would be facing some serious LIBEL and SLANDER  charges 

And, lastly , if Nigeria was a dictatorship, brave man, you would probably be saying your last prayers before being marched to the gallows or facing the execution squad for defaming the president with a "May the Lord have mercy on your soul" before your imminent departure to the Hereafter.

One more reason for thanking God and thank your lucky stars that you are living in America 

[ogunlakaiye]

I mean, we're seriously discussing evidence - real, documented evidence - that the president of the world's most populous  black nation is a drug money launderer, certificate forger and possible identity thief who has already been caught lying under oath about many aspects of his life, including his educational and work histories - Professor Moses Ebbe Ochonu.

Where are the real documented evidence stating that president Bola Ahmed Tinubu IS A DRUG MONEY LAUNDERER, CERTIFICATE FORGER AND A POSSIBLE IDENTITY THIEF? IN WHICH COURT OF LAW WERE THE DOCUMENTED EVIDENCE ACCEPTED AND ADJUCATED UPON? PROFESSOR OCHONU CANNOT CLAIM THE RIGHT OF SAYING ABSOLUTE ANYTHING AND FORBID PEOPLE TO WORRY WHETHER WHAT HE IS SAYING IS TRUE OR FALSE. PROFESSOR OCHONU HAS THE RIGHT TO BE A BULLSHITTER, WHICH IS TO  SPEAK NONSENSE, BUT HE HAS NO RIGHT TO INCLUDE OTHERS IN THE DISCUSSION OF HIS PENTECOSTAL DOCUMENTED EVIDENCE. SECTION 36 (5) OF THE 1999 NIGERIAN CONSTITUTION, AS AMENDED, STIPULATES THAT ANYBOBY CHARGED WITH A CRIMINAL OFFENCE IS CONSIDERED INNOCENT UNTIL PROVEN GUILTY BY A COURT OF LAW. SO FAR, BOLA AHMED TINUBU HAS NOT BEEN CHARGED IN ANY COURT OF LAW EITHER IN NIGERIA OR USA FOR CERTIFICATE FORGERY OR DRUG MONEY LAUNDERING, NOT TO TALK OF BEING CONVICTED. CHICAGO STATE UNIVERSITY HAS CONFIRMED THAT TINUBU WAS THEIR STUDENT AND THAT HE GRADUATED THERE. ATIKU ABUBAKAR IS SUFFERRING FROM PERMANENT MIGRAINE AND MOSES OCHONU THINKS IN HIS WISDOM THAT THE BEST WAY HE CAN HELP HIM PERSONALLY IS TO TAKE OVERDOSE OF PANADOL ON HIS BEHALF. THE SIDE EFFECT, OF COURSE, IS THAT PROFESSOR OCHONU IS LIVING IN DENIAL AS IF HE HAS GONE THROUGH A PERSONALITY-ALTERING LOBOTOMY AND THEREBY FINDS HIMSELF IN AN ENVIRONMENT WHERE GOSSIPS AND SPECULATIONS WORK BETTER THAN DEEP-ROOTED THINKING. INTELLECTUAL GANGSTERISM HAS NOW TAKEN OVER THE CENTRE STAGE OF DISCOURSE AND ALL THAT IS LEFT IS UNBRIDDLED GRANDSTANDING AND OVERPOURING OF ARRANT TANTRUM. ON MY PART, I DISSOCIATE MYSELF FROM THE DOCUMENTED EVIDENCE ADDUCED BY THE PENTECOSTAL FAGGOT.

The USA was a child of Britain before she outgrew her parent. Therefore, English is the national language in both UK and USA. English is an imposed language on Nigerians and only privileged few, up till date, are opportune to go to school to learn how to read, write and speak it. There are illiterates in UK and USA but they can speak and understand English because it is a national language spoken at home and in the public. In Nigeria, English is the official language but not at home or in the public. The greatest fraud in Nigeria is the governing of the country with English language which majority of our people can't speak, write or read. That is why governors will steal a whole billion of naira from Federal Revenue Allocation to the State and tell his people that Allah/God, who gives money to whoever he wants, has blessed him with the money. The same illiterates that failed to react against billion naira thieving Governor, will mob to death a thief of 20 naira on hearing shouts of ole, barawo (thief) etc. So, that Andrew Johnson could be President of United States without formal education was because English was his mother tongue as all other citizens of the USA. The ability to write, read and speak English is what we regard as being educated in Nigeria but Spain, Portugal, Italy, Germany, France, Holland and many others that govern their respective country in their indigenous language, for instance, and even without a litre of crude oil in their soil, have functioning crude oil refineries that depend on imported crude oil.

I am also uncomfortable with efforts to dilute the significance of formal education in the name of what Kadiri is describing as native intelligence - Oluwatoyin Vincent Adepoju.

Native intelligence is what book intelligence is built upon. The book intelligence or formal education that we have in Nigeria is based on foreign native intelligence which is why we cannot refine crude oil, generate and distribute electricity, mine our ion ore and work them into metals etc., despite heavy academic qualifications of Nigerians in charge of those institutions. In my secondary school days in Nigeria when we were being taught physics, the example of what happens to a body in motion on frictionless surface given to us was frozen melt snow on ice road. The example of snow and ice on frozen road was a native intelligence to the people in Britain and other parts of Europe but  not to us in Nigeria. Through physical formular, we could calculate the breaking distance of a vehicle in motion on frictionless surface without the native knowledge of the effect of frozen and melted snow on the road. The real native knowledge of a frictionless body in motion for  Nigerians is banana peels or okra and not melted frozen snow on the ground. Sometimes in the 80s, a Nigerian Diplomat in a European country bought a brand new car. After eating dinner with his family, he took with him the manual of the vehicle, went into the garage, closed the door and the windows. Thereafter, he kick-started the engine and by 22 hours when he did not return, his wife went out to look for him in the garage where she found the engine of the car still on with the husband's head leaning lifeless on the steering. When the Caucasian Police arrived, they took him to the hospital for post mortem examination which concluded that the Nigerian diplomat committed suicide. The post mortem conclusion was based on the belief that a diplomat at that level must have been educated enough to know the effect of carbon mono-oxide in an enclosure on a living organism. Of course, the Nigerian diplomat had formal education but lacked native intelligence which Nigerians in the rural area possess and practise by infusing smoke inside the hole to suffocate animal there to death. Although the native intelligent rural Nigerians don't know what is called carbon mono-oxide, they know that by infusing smoke inside the hole they are reducing the purity of air inside the animal's hole and causing death to the animal. Book intelligence is a child of native intelligence which explains why a professor of electrical engineering and Nigeria's Minister of power, with his book intelligence could not generate and distribute electricity in Nigeria simply because he lacked native intelligence. There are many examples but I don't think I should recant all here.

S. Kadiri     

[Oluwatoyin Adepoju]

On Kinds of Intelligence

Tinubu demonstrates significant political intelligence as demonstrated by his success in Nigerian politics.

Would he have been better off if he had a degree in political science or is such education unnecessary for a successful political actor?

With the academic qualification to become Nigerian President being so low, Tinubu did not need to tender any of the certificates that have been so controversial but if he did not I wonder if he could have been a SW Presidential candidate, given the significance of Western education in the SW, and the prominence of such political figures there as Kayode Fayemi, Osinbajo, Fashola and others with striking academic histories. 

It might have been better for the SW and Nigeria if Tinubu had left the struggle for the Presidency to someone else from the SW, in an open contest between such people as Fayemi, Osinbajo and Fashola, signalling the entry of a new generation of SW politicians into the struggle for the centre of national politics.

That opportunity is lost and the APC and Nigeria are worse off.

I would be shocked if the Supreme Court negates Tinubu's Presidential victory, not bcs I adequately understand the twists and turns of the story, but bcs I don't expect the judiciary has the moral courage to take such a step regardless of the evidence.

 I would also be shocked if Tinubu resigns. I expect most Yoruba people to continue to support him, whatever the evidence against him,  the first elected Yoruba President without a military platform, as represented by OBJ and the short lived  Shonekan appointment.

Whatever happens I wonder if his Presidency will be free of the damage it has suffered.

Why the struggle to conceal your records in the face of a determined opponent?

What suggestions are you thereby making about those records?

Thanks

Toyin

On Tue, Oct 10, 2023, 8:18 AM Oluwatoyin Adepoju <ovde...@gmail.com> wrote:

Thanks Kadiri.

You make interesting points about what may be called adequately contextualized as opposed to inadequately contextualized learning.

Are the sciences still being taught in Nigeria or anywhere in Nigeria in that decontextualized manner?

What relationship is there between teaching methods and challenges of industrialisation and use of technology in Nigeria, and Africa, in general?

State resources in industrial development and management in Nigeria could be seen as problematic, but not so with the use of technology in the private sector, as demonstrated by the rise of Nigerian financial technology companies such as Flutterwave, and the global visibility of such a Nigerian tech entrepreneur as Iyonoluwa Aboyei, whose secondary school education was in Nigeria, the success of Innoson Motors, the increasing cinematographic sophistication of  Nollywood among other examples.

May the challenges in technologically centred services in the Nigerian public sector not emerge from challenges with the Nigerian state, rather than from  the kind of technological education of the managers of these systems?

The struggle against colonial education in Africa has produced great success in the humanities and creative sectors, as represented by Nigerian writers and visual artists;he development of indigenous creativity is evident in Nollywood, one of the largest film industries in the world, all these being expressions of private sector initiatives.

In the light of these considerations, is it realistic to describe Nigeria's problematic electricity sector and her industrial challenges in terms of poor training in science and technology?

Thanks

Toyin

 

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[Oluwatoyin Adepoju]

Thanks Kadiri.

I will look carefully at your analysis.

I would like you to help me understand something though.

Is it true that Tinubu's secondary school leaving certificate reads 1970 while the school it references was founded in 1974?

I need this info to help guide myself in navigating this subject.

The various Tinubu supporters I've asked, one on this group and others on another group, have either responded with silence on this group, or with refusal to give a definitive answer, on the other group.

Thanks

Toyin

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[Oluwatoyin Adepoju]

Thanks Kadiri.

You make interesting points about what may be called adequately contextualized as opposed to inadequately contextualized learning.

Are the sciences still being taught in Nigeria or anywhere in Nigeria in that decontextualized manner?

What relationship is there between teaching methods and challenges of industrialisation and use of technology in Nigeria, and Africa, in general?

State resources in industrial development and management in Nigeria could be seen as problematic, but not so with the use of technology in the private sector, as demonstrated by the rise of Nigerian financial technology companies such as Flutterwave, and the global visibility of such a Nigerian tech entrepreneur as Iyonoluwa Aboyei, whose secondary school education was in Nigeria, the success of Innoson Motors, the increasing cinematographic sophistication of  Nollywood among other examples.

May the challenges in technologically centred services in the Nigerian public sector not emerge from challenges with the Nigerian state, rather than from  the kind of technological education of the managers of these systems?

The struggle against colonial education in Africa has produced great success in the humanities and creative sectors, as represented by Nigerian writers and visual artists;he development of indigenous creativity is evident in Nollywood, one of the largest film industries in the world, all these being expressions of private sector initiatives.

In the light of these considerations, is it realistic to describe Nigeria's problematic electricity sector and her industrial challenges in terms of poor training in science and technology?

Thanks

Toyin

 

On Tue, Oct 10, 2023, 2:43 AM ogunlakaiye <ogunl...@hotmail.com> wrote:

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[Oluwatoyin Adepoju]

On the Record of Technology Technocrats in Nigerian Government 

Kadiri states 

" Book intelligence is a child of native intelligence which explains why a professor of electrical engineering and Nigeria's Minister of power, with his book intelligence could not generate and distribute electricity in Nigeria simply because he lacked native intelligence"

If you are referring to Bart Nnaji, how long did he spend on the job before being removed?

Was it long enough to achieve much?

Gordian Ezekwe.  "head of the Rocket Group of the Biafran Research and Production Directorate...notable for..building a refinery for producing fuel, kerosene and diesel during the Nigerian Civil War" was once Minister of Science and Technology.

The Biafran achievements suggests what African can do with technology.

Was Enekwe able to replicate such achievement in Nigeria? 

If not, why?

Thanks

Toyin

[Dr. Oohay]

Ogunlakaiye’s simple but penetrating reminder points out to us OUR DEEPEST “NAIJA” PROBLEM: THE CHRONIC, IRONIC, AND TRAGIC PHENOMENON OF NEVER BEING OURSELVES, ESPECIALLY IN THINKING ABOUT THINKING WHAT IT MEANS “CULTURALLY” TO BE OUR “ORIGINARY” SELVES. Now, back to what attracts me most in Ogunlakaiye’s piece:

“There are illiterates in UK and USA but they can speak and understand English because it is a national language spoken at home and in the public. In Nigeria, English is the official language but not at home or in the public. The greatest fraud in Nigeria is the governing of the country with English language which majority of our people can't speak, write or read.”

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[Oluwatoyin Adepoju]

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Kinds of Intelligence

Tinubu demonstrates significant political intelligence as demonstrated by his success in Nigerian politics.

Would he have been better off if he had a degree in political science or is such education unnecessary for a successful political actor?

With the academic qualification to become Nigerian President being so low, Tinubu did not need to tender any of the certificates that have been so controversial but if he did not I wonder if he could have been a SW Presidential candidate, given the significance of Western education in the SW, and the prominence of such political figures there as Kayode Fayemi, Osinbajo, Fashola and others with striking academic histories, those three figures being successful professionals in their fields outside politics, from what is clear about Osinbajo, likely also Fashola and possibly Fayemi.

It might have been better for the SW and Nigeria if Tinubu had left the struggle for the Presidency to someone else from the SW, in an open contest between such people as Fayemi, Osinbajo and Fashola, signalling the entry of a new generation of SW politicians into the struggle for the centre of national politics.

That opportunity is lost and the APC , the SW and Nigeria are worse off, in my view.

I would be shocked if the Supreme Court negates Tinubu's Presidential victory, not bcs I adequately understand the twists and turns of the story, but bcs I don't expect the judiciary has the moral courage to take such a step regardless of the evidence.

 I would also be shocked if Tinubu resigns. I expect most Yoruba people to continue to support him, whatever the evidence against him,  the first elected Yoruba President without a military platform, as represented by OBJ and the short lived  Shonekan appointment.

Whatever happens I wonder if his Presidency will be free of the damage it has suffered.

Why the struggle to conceal your records in the face of a determined opponent?

What suggestions are you thereby making about those records?

Thanks

Toyin

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