Danjuma and that Ojukwu comment.
Ikhide
- Ikhide
Anunoby, Ogugua
Danjuma approves of Jonathan’s concession. Does he disapprove of Buhari’s three times no-concession? He brings Ojukwu into a conversation that had nothing to do with him. He did this in full knowledge that Ojukwu is no longer with us and is therefore in no position to speak for himself. Ojukwu would have torn danjuma to shreds if he was still with us.
Danjuma committed many unjust murders. The guilt of his crimes continue to eat him up. Ojukwu made the definitive statement on Danjuma’s smallness. Ojukwu said that Danjuma’s signature accomplishment- the hallmark of his military career, was his (Danjuma’s) murder of his supreme commander and his innocent host- both superior officers to him. It is a sad testament to Nigeria’s history and situation that people like Danjuma not only got away with many murders and treason, but actually continue to profit from his crimes.
Danjuma murdered Lt. Col. Fajuyi even though he (Fajuyi) was innocent and was reportedly not the man he was determine to take his life. I am told that Danjuma’s eyes turned red after he murdered the innocent men and they remain so. He has innocent men’s blood on his hands. Ill-gotten wealth will not stop the drip-drip.
Only in Nigeria would a man like Danjuma not be a welcome and despicable irrelevance, if he was not under lock and key as he deserves to be, to say the least.
Thank you Ikhide for reminding us of what Nigeria might have been if Danjuma and others like him, had not been born in Nigeria.
oa
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Salimonu Kadiri
What Ogugua Anunoby should know is that Buhari's three times no-concession were pervaded by multiple voting, irregular voting (registered in one unit and voted in another unit) and voting allocations (agents and electoral officials simply allocated agreed number of votes to political parties without necessarily casting any votes). Thanks to the introduction of PVCs and CRs, those anomalies were eliminated in the last elections, except in the Southeast and South-south where the application of those technologies were sabotaged and manual accreditations were deployed to carry out elections there. Jonathan and his surrogates did everything possible (including suit No. FHC/ABJ/CS/06/2015 in which a Federal High Court in Abuja was asked to restrain INEC from using PVC & CR for elections and prayed to the court to order INEC to use only Temporary Voter Cards) to prevent the use of PVC and CR for the elections but failed. In fact, there is nothing spectacular about Jonathan's concession when he was confronted with PVC/CR numerical realities.
Ogugua Anunoby wrote further, "He (Danjuma) brings Ojukwu into a conversation that had nothing to do with him. He did this in full knowledge that Ojukwu is no longer with us and is therefore in no position to speak for himself."
What did Danjuma say to cause Ogugua Anunoby to be irate? Hear Danjuma, "If Ojukwu had conceded defeat the way President Goodluck Jonathan did after the March 28 presidential elections, the nation would have been saved from one year of bloodshed." Whether anyone likes it or not, Ojukwu's is an indelible component in the history of Nigeria and his name will always be mentioned in one way or the other. Militarily speaking, the then capital of Biafra, Enugu, was captured on October 4, 1967, by the Federal forces and when Adekunle linked up with the 1st Division at Ikom, a key town on Biafra's eastern border with Cameroon, after capturing Calabar on October 18, 1967, the remainder of Biafra was completely surrounded. Militarily, Ojukwu should have negotiated for peace or surrendered. Instead, he prolonged the war for over two years, wasting lives in a war that he was sure of losing. It is in that regard that Danjuma was correct in saying that many lives would have been saved if Ojukwu had conceded defeat after the fall of Enugu and the encirclement of the rest of Biafra in October 1967. For the mere fact that Ojukwu is no longer alive should not prevent anyone from stating that fact when there is need. Awolowo died in 1985, and as late as last year, Ogugua Anunoby and others believed they had cause to accuse him of genocide in the Biafra war, even though he was not alive to defend himself. The accusation of genocide against Awolowo is very unjust compared to the factual statement of Danjuma about Ojukwu because at a press conference on 28 August 1969, Dr Benjamin Nnamdi Azikiwe said, "Knowing that the accusation of genocide is palpably false, but bearing in mind the widespread killing of 1966, which must always hunt our memories, why should some people continue to fool our people to believe that they are slated for slaughter, when we know that they suffer mental anguish and physical agony as a result of their being homeless and their places of abode having been desolated by war and their lives rendered helpless?" (see p. 255, NIGERIA&BIAFRA; MY STORY by PHILIP EFIONG). Apart from other sources such as International Observer Team, here Azikiwe is telling the world that THE ACCUSATION OF GENOCIDE WAS PALPABLY FALSE.
Ikhide Ikheloa wrote supposedly, "If T. Y. Danjuma and his band of cowardly murderers had not carried out a revenge 'counter-coup' perhaps we would not have had a civil war, we would be where Singapore is today." The counter coup of 29 July 1966, happened in the day time unlike January 15, 1966 coup that happened in the middle of the night and those killed were pulled out of their bed sheets under deep sleep. Therefore, the executors of July 29, 1966 coup could not be described as cowards. However, an impartial and honest Ikhide Ikheloa should have supposed more ifs of which I will now help him to bring to light. If the Five Majors in the January 1966 coup, had not been infiltrated by tribalists who turned pacifists and refused to kill their tribe's men, both civil and military, murders in the January 1966 coup, would not have been tribally lopsided. If Majors John Obienu, and Don Okafor, as well as Captain Ogbo Oji had not leaked the coup plan to Major General Johnson Thompson Umunnakwe Aguiyi Ironsi, he would not have survived to hijack and steal the coup of the five Majors. If Major General Ironsi had listened to the pleadings of Aminu Kano and Joseph Tarka to release all political prisoners thrown into prison by the previous NPC regime in the North, the second coup would not have occurred. Had Awolowo, Enahoro, Ikoku and others, jailed by the previous regime, been released by Major General Ironsi, the second coup would not have happened. If Ironsi had not promulgated Decree No. 34 of 24 May 1966 that amounted to implementation of the NCNC manifesto of unitary form of government for Nigeria, there would not have been second coup. If the attitude of the Igbo living in the North had not been abusive and provocative, against Northerners, after the January 1966 coup (see p. 76, 88 and 332 of Philip Efiong's book: Nigeria & Biafra -my story) riots in the North that finally culminated in the second coup would not have happened. If Ojukwu had accepted Decree No. 8 of March 1967, that incorporated all Aburi agreements except that the Supreme Military Council could declare emergency in any part of the Federation provided three regional Governors supported it, there would not have been war. Let us be objective and honest in judging one another so as to correct past mistakes and avoid their repetitions.
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Subject: Re: USA Africa Dialogue Series - Danjuma and that Ojukwu comment.
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Salimonu Kadiri
Date: Thu, 23 Apr 2015 09:55:15 -0500
Subject: Re: USA Africa Dialogue Series - Danjuma and that Ojukwu comment.
Salimonu Kadiri
Who were the political profiteers, swindlers, bribe seekers, ten per cent demanders, tribalists and nepotists referred to by Nzeogwu? They were to be found in the Federal coalition government of NPC /NCNC, Nigeria, from January 1960 to 15 January 1966. The NCNC had gone into coalition government with the NPC on the belief that Igbos educational superiority over the Hausa/Fulani would make them dominate the government and subsidiary institutions in Nigeria. Achebe confirmed the domination thus, "Igbo .. led the nation in virtually every sector - politics, education commerce and arts (p.66, There Was a Country)." And on p. 233 Achebe referred to the Igbos as the dominant tribe in the corrupt Federal government of Nigeria at that time.
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Okechukwu Ukaga
".....And a gentle reminder that no one is beyond mistakes and that a factual or proven error in one part of a submission should not necessary mean that the entire submission should be judged as erroneous. I bring this up because, on this list, I have noticed that whenever brother Salimonu Kadiri can point to a mistake in any part of a submission that he wants to argue against, he never fails to suggest that the entire submission is wrong because the writer cannot even get his or her facts straight in that erroneous aspect. Are we to judge him by the same standard in this case? " -OU
"On the mistake on the year of death of Awolowo, Okechukwu Ukaga seized the opportunity to build a thatched house thus, "I have noticed that whenever brother Salimonu Kadiri can point to a mistake in any part of a submission that he wants to argue against, he never fails to suggest that the entire submission is wrong..." Now you are attributing false suggestion to me but falsehood is like a thatched house, no matter how neatly the stalks are arranged, it will inevitably rain through. It is now up to you to tell readers when I made the suggestion(s) you credited to me!!" -Salimonu Kadiri
Here are a few examples-
Responding to Oluwatoyin Adepoju on 12/27/14 Kadiri wrote “In order to buttress his assertion that Buhari made the declaration on Abacha's non looting era, Oluwatoyin Adepoju fraudulently (or is it dishonestly) wrote, "SANI ABACHA BECAME NIGERIA'S HEAD OF STATE THROUGH A COUP RULING FROM 1983 TO 1985." Oluwatoyin Adepoju should get it into his skull once and for all that the government of President Shehu Shagari was overthrown on December 31, 1983, whereby a military government headed by Mohammadu Buhari was installed. Therefore, it is a deliberate lie to write that Sani Abacha was head of State from 1983-1985. However, I hereby endeavour to update the political knowledge of Oluwatoyin Adepoju about when Abacha became Head of State in Nigeria. General Muhammadu Buhari was overthrown on the 27th of August 1985 and was thereafter succeeded by General Ibrahim Babangida who *stepped aside* in 1993, following the controversy after the annulled June 12, 1993, Presidential election. Babangida was succeeded by an unelected civilian,Ernest Shonekan, who was overthrown before the end of year 1993 by Sani Abacha that became Head of State. …..In his macabre act of wilful misrepresentation, Oluwatoyin Adepoju regaled us in paragraph 6 of his diatribe against Buhari thus, "BUHARI MADE THIS DECLARATION ON THE 5TH OF JUNE 2008, AT THE 10TH YEAR COMMEMORATION IN KANO OF THE DEATH OF SANI ABACHA, as reported among other resources by Ibrahim Shuaibu in his article *Abacha Never Stole, say Buhari, Babangida,* in This Day news magazine on the 9th of June 2008 and republished in AllAfrica.com." Buhari could not have made the statement credited to him on the 5th of June 2008 since Abacha died on June 8, 1998 and the tenth anniversary of Abacha's death was June 8, 2008.
Responding to Toyin Adepuju on 01/12/15 Kadiri wrote “ Before Oluwatoyin Adepoju can challenge Buhari's educational background, he should, I am sorry to say, learn how not to spell COLLEGE as COLLAGE!!”
Responding to Paul Oranika on 9/19/14 Kadiri wrote “Your excerpts from purported interview of General Benjamin Adekunle by the German Reporter, Randolph Baumann of STERN MAGAZINE does not require a qualification in psychology to discern that the interview was a fake. Randolph Baumann must have sat down somewhere to construct his interview without ever talking or meeting General Adekunle. To begin with, there were no *European Humanitarian Assistance programs authorized through the Federal Government* as at August 18, 1968, because the Nigerian Red Cross was able to handle the humanitarian needs in all the territories captured by the Nigerian forces. Moreover, the starvation problem in the Biafra enclave was not internationally known until the end of September 1968. Even as at the end of September 1968, Ojukwu did not see starving Biafrans. Therefore, while addressing Biafra Consultative Assembly at the end of September 1968 he said, "Those governments motivated by humanitarian considerations have a responsibility now to ensure that Biafrans are enabled to defend themselves by providing them the wherewithal so to do ( Biafra: Ojukwu's Selected Speeches, Vol.1, p. 357)" Obviously, Ojukwu did not need any humanitarian programme for the starving Biafrans but arms. The reply credited to Adekunle by Randolph Baumann on the (non existing) European Humanitarian Assistance programmes in Nigeria was ridiculous and laughable. This is because the seat of the Federal Government headed by General Yakubu Gowon was Lagos. The Lagos State Government headed by Brigadier Mobolaji Johnson had the seat of his government in the outskirt of Lagos. The Governors of Western and Midwest States respectively were General Adebayo and Colonel Samuel Ogbemudia. How then would Adekunle be telling Rudolph Baumann that he was ruling Lagos to Cameroon border? If Mr Baumann had been in Nigeria to conduct the interview, in reality, he would not have expressed himself the way he did because he would have discovered that General Adekunle did not rule Lagos up to Cameroon's border with Nigeria at the time in question.”
Again, my point remains that just because you, brother Kadiri, disagree with some points in or aspects of a given story does not automatically mean that the story is false or fake.
Respectfully,
OU
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Cornelius Hamelberg
Oga Okechukwu Ukaga,
Please permit me the privilege – to save myself the agony of my mentor Ogbeni Kadiri taking out his Excalibur to fence with you.
I notice how painstakingly you have quoted the indices stacked up against Toyin Vincent Adepoju, with the aim of showing that according to the criteria of judgment laid down by Ogbeni Kadiri, he should get the bitter taste of his own medicine – but you fail to make the point that you set out to make: that disagreement “with some points in or aspects of a given story does not automatically mean that the story is false or fake. “
Indeed, dead men cannot speak: therefore (elementary logic) Brother Kadiri rightly concluded:
“Buhari could not have made the statement credited to him on the 5th of June 2008 since Abacha died on June 8, 1998 and the tenth anniversary of Abacha's death was June 8, 2008.”
The cosmological Adepoju is used probably used to reading synchronicity but he too must realize that events usually take place sequentially and even ordinary mortals like him cannot be at more than one place at a time. Therefore Ogbeni Kadiri’s series of watertight conclusions which you quote so accurately
The matter is clear : Neither our late great Chief Obafemi Awolowo nor General Chukwuemeka Odumegwu-Ojukwu (Ikemba Nnewi) are with us today to defend themselves against any lawful or unlawful accusations that can be made against either of them - based on ignorance or spitefulness or even ethnic prejudice. That being the case, irrespective of accuracy/ inaccuracy in reporting or assuming their date of departure, they are not here to defend themselves and only well-meaning others can do so, on their behalf.
As pointed out by Ogbeni Kadiri, Mr. Toyin Adepoju’s many factual errors concerning Brother Muhammadu Buhari - whether based on ignorance or a deliberate heart-felt spitefulness are woeful accusations against the living - and there Sir lays the difference.
The subject matter is not mystical, theological or even theatrical ( requiring a suspension of disbelieve) therefore re - “any part of a submission that he wants to argue against, he never fails to suggest that the entire submission is wrong” could always apply to debateable propositions about the structure of reality when we read stuff such as “ Jesus died for your sins “ or that he ascended bodily into the stratosphere – as witnessed ( according to the Gospels) by many….
As Johnny Cochran famously quipped, “If the glove don't fit you must acquit”
The discussion can proceeed from here. All the above is sincerely said and nonetheless liable to correction.
Cornelius Hamelberg
Salimonu Kadiri
Date: Thu, 23 Apr 2015 13:27:00 -0600
Subject: Re: USA Africa Dialogue Series - Danjuma and that Ojukwu comment.
Okechukwu Ukaga
"...but you fail to make the point that you set out to make: that disagreement “with some points in or aspects of a given story does not automatically mean that the story is false or fake. “ -Cornelius Hamelberg
Here is the point: Just because Abacha died on June 8, 1998 and the tenth anniversary of Abacha's death was June 8, 2008, does not mean that Buhari could not have made the statement credited to him. He could have made that statement, on 5th of June 2008 or June 8, 2008, or any other date for that matter. (I AM NOT SAYING THAT HE DID. I am simply saying that quibbling with dates and finding an error in that is not a foolproof way of disputing the allegation that Buhari made the statement at all, which was the substantive issue. Hence, my point that disagreement “with some points in or aspects of a given story does not automatically mean that the story is false or fake.
"Indeed, dead men cannot speak: therefore (elementary logic) Brother Kadiri rightly concluded: Buhari could not have made the statement credited to him on the 5th of June 2008 since Abacha died on June 8, 1998 and the tenth anniversary of Abacha's death was June 8, 2008.” Cornelius Hamelberg
Yes, dead men cannot talk, but the living can. Not only was Buhari alive in 2008, he is still alive today. Being among the living therefore he could talk and could have said anything he wanted to say. Clearly, one needs better argument to discredit a claim that someone said something than just quibbling with dates or turning the “dead men cannot talk” logic on its head. Hence, my point again that disagreement “with some points in or aspects of a given story does not automatically mean that the story is false or fake.
I rest my case,
OU
Cornelius Hamelberg
Oga Okechukwu Ukaga,
Your argument is clear enough and giving the examples stated you are logically consistent and have proved your point beyond any possibility of refutation; your advice to Ogbeni Kadiri is cautionary.
Dead men don’t smoke marijuana, true, so, for example, we cannot truthfully attribute a statement to a person who died long before the alleged statement was supposed to have been made by him, nor can those who are presently with the glorious ancestors “ope their ruby lips” to defend themselves when wrongfully lambasted. Point taken?
Let us imagine that we are in a court of law.
In effect, by analogy, we can argue that it is immaterial whether e.g. Jesus of Nazareth said “all men are mortal” before or after his crucifixion and that what is important is that he said so. This would not necessarily be the truth, the whole truth and nothing but the truth, because part of the truth would be determined by WHEN he said it and as you know, the proof of the pudding is in the eating, although, to some of the faithful, he is still very much alive and we should not throw away the resurrection story, throw away the baby with the bathwater…
Of course, in the not so hypothetical example which we are discussing, it is not Ogbeni Kadiri’s testimony that is being scrutinized I should think that the proper focus should be on the veracity or the authenticity of Muhammadu Buhari’s alleged statement that is under microscopic scrutiny…
And what do you have to say about the credibility of the witness who habitually/ consistently – as per the examples quoted, either deliberately fabricates dates in order to mislead or in any case inadvertently misleads by his lying misdeeds such as:
"SANI ABACHA BECAME NIGERIA'S HEAD OF STATE THROUGH A COUP RULING FROM 1983 TO 1985." Is this not a serious distortion of Nigeria’s history? And you want to excuse the Great Dr. Toyin Adepoju for this mischievous piece of misinformation? Just imagine the havoc done to a gullible, unsuspecting foreign audience?
If I had not been in Nigeria on New Year’s Eve of 1983 I might have believed the Great Adepoju even when he was lying (as usual) …
You are free to “rest your case” all you want , even when Ogbeni Kadiri has succeeded in chiseling away at the credibility of Adepoju as a reliable witness and my dear Sir, surely, you cannot fault Ogbeni Kadiri for doing so , can you?
More importantly, you have still not dismantled the plausibility, psychological or otherwise based on Ogbeni Kadiri’s reasoning with regard to what he dubs a fake interview of General Adekunle by one Rudolph Baumann. As we all know, especially in this age of propaganda, the truth is usually the first casualty of war
I have known Ogbeni Kadiri a long time and I should be wary of the decapitating majesty of his Excalibur, if I were you.
Loonta.
Cornelius
Ibukunolu A Babajide
Does missing the date of Awolowo's death by a year or two qualify as a factual error that can render a whole post as erroneous?
NO!
Cheers.
IBK
Salimonu Kadiri
Date: Thu, 23 Apr 2015 19:46:13 -0500
Cornelius Hamelberg
We all love our AWO : I do, Ogbeni Kadiri certainly does and I hope that you do too!
We - his fans, are familiar with some of the minute biographical details of his purposeful life, just as we remember the birthday (like Christmas) and the last day of e.g. Malcolm X, Madiba Nelson Mandela, Patrice Lumumba, to name just three, I add one more: Tomas Tranströmer
Ironically, all this endless tittle-tattle, all because of a tiny – forgivable - typographical error, if six was nine - if 5 was 7 , the kind that we all make on the keyboard or on the fretboard , still not “off-key” and if you think so, improvisation converts it to even something more harmonic - as if a willful dissonance or some Shostakovich in your ear, can ever be out of the musical sphere…the very first piece of music that came to my lips when I first read that our own Professor Falola was going to be honoured by Lincoln was the complete solo of John Coltrane’s Giant Steps - yes I scat sang it in da mind ….
That was not the ikoro drum, that was my mentor's impeccable quod erat demonstrandum – I am proud of him and this most dignified, succinct exposition, I hope that you are satisfied – I’ve still got a lot to unlearn: the worst curse I know: “May you never be satisfied”
And now Excalibur is sheathed “ for lack of argument” , the matter is eternally laid to rest, the big and little guns have fallen silent; no one is looking for any further trouble.
Somebody, somebodies please say ”AMEN!”
Ibukunolu A Babajide
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Date: Sat, 23 May 2015 13:32:02 +0300
Subject: Re: USA Africa Dialogue Series - Danjuma and that Ojukwu comment.
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