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Chidi Anthony Opara
The decent course of action in the current arrest of allegedly corrupt judges in Nigeria would have been to follow the rule of law in place of the gestapo style adopted.
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Chidi Anthony Opara
The Nigerian version of the Gestapo will soon be breaking into the homes of activists at midnight, looking for "subversive materials".
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Chidi Anthony Opara
Firstly, what happened between the Nigerian secret police and the Judges was not a sting operation(check the meaning). Secondly, the amount of monies said to have been recovered could not have been counted and recorded in the time the operation lasted. Summary, the Nigerian secret police most likely, came with the monies or a substantial amount of the monies quoted.
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Chidi Anthony Opara
President Buhari from his latest comment about his wife, unfortunately, most likely, sees high flying women as bad wives, who should have stayed at home to tidy up the kitchens, the siting rooms and the "other" rooms.
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Salimonu Kadiri
Buhari is a son of a male and a female persons just like any other human being. Buhari is aware that both genders exist for one another and even in this age of test tube fertility, the ingredients of fertility must come from both genders. Buhari respects both genders but he is not like gender-equality extremists propagating that since females can wear trousers, it should equally be practicable for them to stand like men and hold their thighs together to urinate as males do. The mere fact that Buhari's wife could grant interviews without seeking the approval of the husband on what she should say or not is a testimony of his belief in gender equality.
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President Buhari from his latest comment about his wife, unfortunately, most likely, sees high flying women as bad wives, who should have stayed at home to tidy up the kitchens, the siting rooms and the "other" rooms.
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Oluwatoyin Vincent Adepoju
President Muhammadu insists the place of his wife, Aisha, is in the kitchen.
On Friday, Buhari said his wife belonged in the kitchen, and “the other room,” apparently a euphemism for the bedroom.
He had said this at a press conference after a closed-door meeting,with German Chancellor Angela Merkel, in response to an interview Aisha granted the BBC, where she said that his government had been hijacked.
In the interview, Aisha had also said that she might not support her husband under the present circumstances if he seeks re-election in 2019.
“I don’t know which party my wife belongs to, but my wife belongs to my kitchen and my living room and the other room.” Buhari had said.
“It is not easy to do away with opposition or people who did not follow you along your campaign trail. I hope my wife will remember that I was on the field for 12 years; I tried three times, the fourth time I managed to succeed. And I ended up the first three times in the Nigerian Supreme Court, so I claim superior knowledge over her and the rest of the opposition and I succeeded.
“It is not easy to satisfy the whole Nigerian opposition party or to participate in the government.”
In response to a backlash from the statement, Garba Shehu, presidential spokesman, said the president was only joking.
But in an interview with DW’s Phil Gayle, Buhari reiterated his position, saying the function of his wife was to take care of his home:
DW: Recently your wife criticised your choices for top jobs, and you responded by saying “I don’t know which party my wife belongs to, but she belongs to my kitchen and my living room.” What did you mean by that, sir?
Buhari: I am sure you have a house. … You know where your kitchen is, you know where your living room is, and I believe your wife looks after all of that, even if she is working.
DW: That is your wife’s function?
Buhari: Yes, to look after me.
DW: And she should stay out of politics?
Buhari: I think so.
Copyright 2016 TheCable. Permission to use quotations from this article is granted subject to appropriate credit being given to www.thecable.ng as the source."
Buhari is a son of a male and a female persons just like any other human being. Buhari is aware that both genders exist for one another and even in this age of test tube fertility, the ingredients of fertility must come from both genders. Buhari respects both genders but he is not like gender-equality extremists propagating that since females can wear trousers, it should equally be practicable for them to stand like men and hold their thighs together to urinate as males do. The mere fact that Buhari's wife could grant interviews without seeking the approval of the husband on what she should say or not is a testimony of his belief in gender equality.
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President Buhari from his latest comment about his wife, unfortunately, most likely, sees high flying women as bad wives, who should have stayed at home to tidy up the kitchens, the siting rooms and the "other" rooms.
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Thank you Chidi. Much as you might be correct that Aisha married Buhari out of position of strength, I think Buhari's reference to her as belonging to the kitchen emanates from the cultural euphemism in Nigeria that sees the controller of the kitchen, which often is the wife, as the controller of the house and not the husband. Aisha may not necessary cook food for the family but she certainly supervises it to ensure its purity. A woman who controls the food that enters the mouth of a man also controls his life, indirectly. Of course, Europeans and Americans (especially gender equality missionaries) may ask, why should men in Africa not be controller of kitchens and women are owners? Any husband that tries to do that in Nigeria will be chided by the wife. You be tortoise (tortoise being Euphemism for a miser)?, she will ask the husband. Na your papa de cook for your mamma? You wan be wife and you wan be husband, why you come marry me? And if a Euro-Americanized Nigerian husband should take over the kitchen from his wife in Nigeria, members of the community will label the wife, as Fela sang, Lady na Master. So while a wife belonging to the Kitchen in Europe and America connotes oppression, in Nigeria, it connotes power.
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Oluwatoyin Vincent Adepoju
Such inanitiates are suggested in the recent fact that the best that senator Dino Melaye could think of as a rebuttal to senator Remi Tinubu in a controversy in senate was to refer to her sexuality.
All these are the images of condemnation generated by a patriarchal society that privileges the unjust confinement of a powerful gender to restrictive spaces and manufactures such tales in unconscious fear of the responses of those socially disempowered people.
The notion that "while a wife belonging to the Kitchen in Europe and America connotes oppression, in Nigeria, it connotes power", is not completely true, because, in Africa, the kitchen and the bedroom may be places of both empowerment and oppression.The truth is that in the patriarchal contexts of even contemporary African societies, in being confined to the kitchen and other domestic spaces, iin the context of ncluding 'the other room', women are both empowered and largely disempowered.They are empowered in the kitchen but the power of the kitchen is a very restricted form of power, a space not associated with high level cognitive functions nor with public influence.Thus, a woman being told she should stick to the kitchen and the rooms of the house, including 'the other room' means she should remain within the confines of basic biological functions, represented by cooking, eating and procreation.In performing these functions, her visibility and influence are to be mediated through the man, who eats the food she cooks but who may ensure she interacts with no one else outside the domestic space, shares the bedroom with her but in the understanding that her significant influence stops there. Even in the bedroom, she may be wise not to be too adventurous or seem too informed, lest the man question the source of such drive and skill, after all, her scope of action is defined by his own comfort zone.Buhari sums up these perspectives in his interview with Phil Gayle in declaring that, like any woman, including that of Phil Gayle, his wife should focus on taking care of him, her husband and stay out of politics.This culture has led to severe attacks on women in Nigerian politics and even in business. For many years, to be known as a businesswoman was almost synonymous to being suspect as a person of loose virtue, beceause how else could a woman command the resources to operate effectively in the male controlled space of commerce, if not as a mistress or prostitute, that line of thought went?
Such inanitiates are suggested in the recent fact that the best that senator Dino Melaye could think of as a rebuttal to senator Remi Tinubu in a controversy in senate was to refer to her sexuality.Even in Yorubaland, where women have enjoyed significant public freedom , women's relative independence has suffered by women being stigmatized as harboring the evil spiritual power of aje or witchcraft as inherent to their biological forms, with success in male dominated spheres at times attributed in a negative sense, to witchcraft, seen as a clandestine, evil phenomenon, as Karin Barber describes in I Could Speak Until Tomorrow : Oriki, Women & the Past in a Yoruba Town, with women being the only gender demonized in Yorubaland as containing within their biologies a potentially destructive spiritual force , with the image of the blood drinking, life sucking and malefic coven aje or witchcraft gatherings being essentially female centred images, like the image of the evil witch in pre-modern Europe was essentially a female image. The wizard in the Western imagination, like the Yoruba babalawo and onisegun, by contrast, has largely been a benign, if mysterious figure.Western fairy tales,in depicting spiritually powerful women, like in much of Ifa literature outside the scope of female divine figures such as Osun and other goddesses, and even in such cases, often demonizes these women, as demonstrated by the perennially evil witches of fairy tales and the often absolutely horrible depiction of aje in Ifa literature.Various writers on Yoruba spirituality, from Hallen and Sodipo in Knowledge, Belief and Witchcraft, to Rowland Abiodun on the female figure in Yoruba religious images, to Babatunde Lawal on Gelede and Ogboni, to the recent work represented by Teresa Washington on aje to Mercedes Morgana Bounilla on Facebook, among others, are struggling, directly and indirectly, to present a clearer and at times valoristic picture of the one female centred spirituality in Yorubaland, the aje/ Awon Iyami ( Our [Arcane] Mothers) concept, a struggle often centred in addressing the contradictions demonstrated by the convergence of destructive power and creative potential the concept embodies-the power the aje are depicted in terms of is often evil and irrationally destructive but this is the only humanly centred, female focused concept widely known in Yoruba spirituality. These demonisations of women in spiritual terms recur in various African sociteies, leading to women in some countries being driven to live in ostracized communities having been denounced as witches.These demonisations are part of the network of disparagement represented by confinement of women to the kitchen ad the bedroom. These spaces are at times described as privileged opportunities for destruction, leading to stories of women depicted as making their business prosper by seasoning the akara-bean cakes-they sell with menstrual blood, thereby creating a flavor that ensures the success of their akara business or of empowering their sexual organs with magical preparations, so they may more readily hold men hostage.
All these are the images of condemnation generated by a patriarchal society that privileges the unjust confinement of a powerful gender to restrictive spaces and manufactures such tales in unconscious fear of the responses of those socially disempowered people.The situation is much worse in Buhari's Muslim North, where early marriage, even in early teenage years, has devastated the reproductive systems of so many women, whose bodies are too immature to sustain such demands, leading to terrible medical problems such as constant incontinence, generating terrible smells and a repellent appearance, making them outcasts, leading eventually to divorce by those husbands hungry for the flesh of little girls.The Buhari response to Aisha demonstrates very serious significance and should not be taken lightly beceause it projects a dismal face for the future of women in Nigeria if not vigorously opposed.Creative change will not emerge in in Nigeria by embracing or being silent about what is negative in the actions of people who claim to represent such change. Such responses will only openly entrench the further deterioration of what is dehumanizing about society.thankstoyin.
.On 17 October 2016 at 10:16, Oluwatoyin Vincent Adepoju <toyin....@gmail.com> wrote:Its about time the following book was published :APC Hermeneutics : Configurations of Confabulating Logic by Lai Muhammed et al. Jibbiti Press : Ojuelegba Under Bridge, 2016
Statement of purpose:
How to give the impression that the sun is shining when it is raining and how to suggest that a bad smell is actually the scent of sweet flowers-all through a peculiar form of logic perfected in Africa's most populous nation.
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APC Hermeneutics : Configurations of Confabulating Logic by Lai Muhammed et al. Jibbiti Press : Ojuelegba Under Bridge, 2016
Statement of purpose:
How to give the impression that the sun is shining when it is raining and how to suggest that a bad smell is actually the scent of sweet flowers-all through a peculiar form of logic perfected in Africa's most populous nation.
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Before the advent of Europeans in Africa, there was gender equality with each gender contributing what he/she is most suitable and competent to produce for the collective wellbeing of the society. Take, for instance, the climbing of the palm-tree to harvest the palm fruits. Long before the grandparents of Isaac Newton, who propounded the law of gravitation, were born Nigerian men calculated the strength of material of woven raffia twines with which they climbed the palm-tree, not only to harvest the palm fruits but, to suck palm wine into gourds. Climbing the Palm tree to harvest palm fruits was a technique mastered by men but their labour would have been in vain if women, that could not climb the palm tree, did not develop the technique of extracting oil from palm fruits at that time when the word bio-chemistry was yet to be coined. It was age of reciprocity of respect between the genders as women thanked men for climbing the palm tree to harvest palm fruits and men reciprocated in thanking women for masterminding not only the production of palm oil but also other derivatives like the grease called ÒRÎ and the Black Candle called ÒGÙSÒ, respectively, in Yoruba language. Another example was while hunting was an exclusive preoccupation of men in those days, women were experts in converting the animals killed into delicious soup without which the animal would have be eaten raw or consumed after being roasted in open fire. In fact men and women appreciated the interdependency of one another and there was no combat about who was superior to the other between the genders. With the enslavement of Africans, political and economic apartheid became order of the day. In a situation where some men/women dominate other men/women economically (even when they belong to the same gender and race) it will be futile to canvass for equality between genders without first dealing with the political and economic apartheid in operation not only in Africa but elsewhere in the world.
You averred that it is not completely true that a wife belonging to the kitchen in Nigeria connotes power because, according to you, the kitchen and the bedroom may be deployed for oppression. Of course, no system is completely perfect that it cannot be counterfeited or used for unintended purpose. For instance, a court of law is a place of dispensing justice but a judge can in exchange for pecuniary reward dispense injustice. Thinking beyond kitchen, a wife (a mother) is the commander of the house. As children, we were culturally taught that a wife (mother) is a precious metal and a husband (father) is a mirror. As we grew up, we were made to understand that a wife (a mother) is the driver that transported a child (male or female) to this world and that a husband (a father) only filled fuel into the tank. In a culturally unpolluted home in Nigeria, a wife/mother/woman is the commander and controller of the house. It is in this light we have to understand Buhari's sarcastic response to a provocative question which you are now twisting to mean that he intends to restrict his wife, Aisha, to the kitchen. Let us read his response to the specific question together. Buhari: I am sure you have a house. You know where your kitchen is, you know where your living room is, and I believe your wife looks after all of that, even if she is working. In a nutshell what Buhari is saying above is that the wife of the interviewer takes care of the house even if she is working. If Buhari had wanted to restrict the wife of the journalist to the kitchen, he would not have added even if she is working. But the journalist compressed together, the kitchen, the living room and even if she is working into a single question: That is your wife's function? And Buhari replied: Yes to look after me. The question from the journalist was wrongly phrased and should, instead, have been : Those are your wife's function? Buhari's reply : Yes to look after me is the same as saying : Yes to take care of me. Whether Buhari's wife looks after him or takes care of him, can that be taken to imply that Buhari is dominating his wife? Is it not logical to think that a person who takes care of another person is superior to the person being taken care of? If ordinarily Buhari had said in a public place that my wife takes care of me, would he not have been called woman wrapper by some people while others would see him as being romantic?
Mr. Adepoju carried his gender war into Yorubaland by claiming that women are the only gender demonized as witches in Yoruba towns. He wrote, "The wizard in the Western imagination, like the Yoruba, Babalawo and Onisegun, has largely been a benign, if not mysterious figure." There is a mix up of ideas here by Mr. Adepoju. The words Àje and Osó in Yoruba language existed independent of the corresponding words in English, Witch and Wizard. While Àje applies to a female just like the English word Witch, Ôsó applies to a male just like in the English word Wizard. The common denominator for Ôsó and Àje is that both are sorcerers Thus, we can talk of gender equality in this wise. However, a wizard is neither a Babalawo nor Onisegun. In the actual sense of the word, Babalawo is a priest, especially of Ifa; Onisegun is a Doctor or Physician and there is even a third one called Adahunse which is a herbalist or an adept in occult powers. Although only males could be Babalawo both males and females could be Onisegun and Adahunse. The aforementioned phenomenon have no obvious connection with the statement of Buhari on his wife but I am compelled to put the record straight for the sake of others.
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Division of Labour as Different from Gender Equality
'Before
the advent of Europeans in Africa, there was gender equality with each
gender contributing what he/she is most suitable and competent to
produce for the collective wellbeing of the society.'-SalimonuScope of activity relates to both the range of activities one is permitted to perform within a given society as well as the flexibility one may demonstrate in relation to these activities, the degree to which one is free to adopt or discontinue an activity.
Buhari's Reinforcing of Misogynistic Attitudes
'Recently your wife criticized your choices for top jobs, and you responded by saying "I don't know which party my wife belongs to, but she belongs to my kitchen and my living room." What did you mean by that, sir?
I am sure you have a house. ... You know where your kitchen is, you know where your living room is, and I believe your wife looks after all of that, even if she is working.
That is your wife's function?
Yes, to look after me.
And she should stay out of politics?
I think so.'
That is the full picture.
The Yoruba conception of spiritual power centred in female biology takes the subject further, describing the subject in positive, but largely negative terms and institutionalizing the conception. Yoruba spirituality is significantly an embodied spirituality. The only gender centred spirituality in this body of ideas, demonstrating distinctive characteristics in relation to gender, however, to the best of my knowledge, is female centred and is described as capable of being positive but is often understood as negative. Babatunde Lawal dedicates Gelede : Gender and Social Harmony in an African Culture to the study of the theatrical art run by men to honour those women known as aje as well as Awon Iya Wa, which may be translated as Our Mothers, but not motherhood in the conventional sense but in an arcane sense . Teresa Washington struggles in Our Mothers, Our Powers, Our Texts : Manifestations of Aje in Africana Literature to rationalize the bloody images of aje in Yoruba oral literature as represented by the pictures of aje attacking the internal organs of human beings. Various ese ifa, Ifa literature, the most prestigious and comprehensive form of Yoruba literature, portray the aje as inexorably evil, a constant foe of humanity.
"argues that witches were usually female[ bcs they ] are more susceptible to demonic temptations through the manifold weaknesses of their gender... that they were weaker in faith and more lustful than men[ they] are "prone to believing and because the demon basically seeks to corrupt the faith, he assails them in particular.". They also have a "temperament towards flux" and "loose tongues". They "are defective in all the powers of both soul and body". The major reason is that at the foundation of sorcery is denial of faith and "woman, therefore, is evil as a result of nature because she doubts more quickly in the faith." Men could be witches, but were considered rarer, and the reasons were also different".
Before the advent of Europeans in Africa, there was gender equality with each gender contributing what he/she is most suitable and competent to produce for the collective wellbeing of the society. Take, for instance, the climbing of the palm-tree to harvest the palm fruits. Long before the grandparents of Isaac Newton, who propounded the law of gravitation, were born Nigerian men calculated the strength of material of woven raffia twines with which they climbed the palm-tree, not only to harvest the palm fruits but, to suck palm wine into gourds. Climbing the Palm tree to harvest palm fruits was a technique mastered by men but their labour would have been in vain if women, that could not climb the palm tree, did not develop the technique of extracting oil from palm fruits at that time when the word bio-chemistry was yet to be coined. It was age of reciprocity of respect between the genders as women thanked men for climbing the palm tree to harvest palm fruits and men reciprocated in thanking women for masterminding not only the production of palm oil but also other derivatives like the grease called ÒRÎ and the Black Candle called ÒGÙSÒ, respectively, in Yoruba language. Another example was while hunting was an exclusive preoccupation of men in those days, women were experts in converting the animals killed into delicious soup without which the animal would have be eaten raw or consumed after being roasted in open fire. In fact men and women appreciated the interdependency of one another and there was no combat about who was superior to the other between the genders. With the enslavement of Africans, political and economic apartheid became order of the day. In a situation where some men/women dominate other men/women economically (even when they belong to the same gender and race) it will be futile to canvass for equality between genders without first dealing with the political and economic apartheid in operation not only in Africa but elsewhere in the world.
You averred that it is not completely true that a wife belonging to the kitchen in Nigeria connotes power because, according to you, the kitchen and the bedroom may be deployed for oppression. Of course, no system is completely perfect that it cannot be counterfeited or used for unintended purpose. For instance, a court of law is a place of dispensing justice but a judge can in exchange for pecuniary reward dispense injustice. Thinking beyond kitchen, a wife (a mother) is the commander of the house. As children, we were culturally taught that a wife (mother) is a precious metal and a husband (father) is a mirror. As we grew up, we were made to understand that a wife (a mother) is the driver that transported a child (male or female) to this world and that a husband (a father) only filled fuel into the tank. In a culturally unpolluted home in Nigeria, a wife/mother/woman is the commander and controller of the house. It is in this light we have to understand Buhari's sarcastic response to a provocative question which you are now twisting to mean that he intends to restrict his wife, Aisha, to the kitchen. Let us read his response to the specific question together. Buhari: I am sure you have a house. You know where your kitchen is, you know where your living room is, and I believe your wife looks after all of that, even if she is working. In a nutshell what Buhari is saying above is that the wife of the interviewer takes care of the house even if she is working. If Buhari had wanted to restrict the wife of the journalist to the kitchen, he would not have added even if she is working. But the journalist compressed together, the kitchen, the living room and even if she is working into a single question: That is your wife's function? And Buhari replied: Yes to look after me. The question from the journalist was wrongly phrased and should, instead, have been : Those are your wife's function? Buhari's reply : Yes to look after me is the same as saying : Yes to take care of me. Whether Buhari's wife looks after him or takes care of him, can that be taken to imply that Buhari is dominating his wife? Is it not logical to think that a person who takes care of another person is superior to the person being taken care of? If ordinarily Buhari had said in a public place that my wife takes care of me, would he not have been called woman wrapper by some people while others would see him as being romantic?
Mr. Adepoju carried his gender war into Yorubaland by claiming that women are the only gender demonized as witches in Yoruba towns. He wrote, "The wizard in the Western imagination, like the Yoruba, Babalawo and Onisegun, has largely been a benign, if not mysterious figure." There is a mix up of ideas here by Mr. Adepoju. The words Àje and Osó in Yoruba language existed independent of the corresponding words in English, Witch and Wizard. While Àje applies to a female just like the English word Witch, Ôsó applies to a male just like in the English word Wizard. The common denominator for Ôsó and Àje is that both are sorcerers Thus, we can talk of gender equality in this wise. However, a wizard is neither a Babalawo nor Onisegun. In the actual sense of the word, Babalawo is a priest, especially of Ifa; Onisegun is a Doctor or Physician and there is even a third one called Adahunse which is a herbalist or an adept in occult powers. Although only males could be Babalawo both males and females could be Onisegun and Adahunse. The aforementioned phenomenon have no obvious connection with the statement of Buhari on his wife but I am compelled to put the record straight for the sake of others.
S.Kadiri
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Before the advent of Europeans in Africa, there was gender equality with each gender contributing what he/she is most suitable and competent to produce for the collective wellbeing of the society. Take, for instance, the climbing of the palm-tree to harvest the palm fruits. Long before the grandparents of Isaac Newton, who propounded the law of gravitation, were born Nigerian men calculated the strength of material of woven raffia twines with which they climbed the palm-tree, not only to harvest the palm fruits but, to suck palm wine into gourds. Climbing the Palm tree to harvest palm fruits was a technique mastered by men but their labour would have been in vain if women, that could not climb the palm tree, did not develop the technique of extracting oil from palm fruits at that time when the word bio-chemistry was yet to be coined. It was age of reciprocity of respect between the genders as women thanked men for climbing the palm tree to harvest palm fruits and men reciprocated in thanking women for masterminding not only the production of palm oil but also other derivatives like the grease called ÒRÎ and the Black Candle called ÒGÙSÒ, respectively, in Yoruba language. Another example was while hunting was an exclusive preoccupation of men in those days, women were experts in converting the animals killed into delicious soup without which the animal would have be eaten raw or consumed after being roasted in open fire. In fact men and women appreciated the interdependency of one another and there was no combat about who was superior to the other between the genders. With the enslavement of Africans, political and economic apartheid became order of the day. In a situation where some men/women dominate other men/women economically (even when they belong to the same gender and race) it will be futile to canvass for equality between genders without first dealing with the political and economic apartheid in operation not only in Africa but elsewhere in the world.
You averred that it is not completely true that a wife belonging to the kitchen in Nigeria connotes power because, according to you, the kitchen and the bedroom may be deployed for oppression. Of course, no system is completely perfect that it cannot be counterfeited or used for unintended purpose. For instance, a court of law is a place of dispensing justice but a judge can in exchange for pecuniary reward dispense injustice. Thinking beyond kitchen, a wife (a mother) is the commander of the house. As children, we were culturally taught that a wife (mother) is a precious metal and a husband (father) is a mirror. As we grew up, we were made to understand that a wife (a mother) is the driver that transported a child (male or female) to this world and that a husband (a father) only filled fuel into the tank. In a culturally unpolluted home in Nigeria, a wife/mother/woman is the commander and controller of the house. It is in this light we have to understand Buhari's sarcastic response to a provocative question which you are now twisting to mean that he intends to restrict his wife, Aisha, to the kitchen. Let us read his response to the specific question together. Buhari: I am sure you have a house. You know where your kitchen is, you know where your living room is, and I believe your wife looks after all of that, even if she is working. In a nutshell what Buhari is saying above is that the wife of the interviewer takes care of the house even if she is working. If Buhari had wanted to restrict the wife of the journalist to the kitchen, he would not have added even if she is working. But the journalist compressed together, the kitchen, the living room and even if she is working into a single question: That is your wife's function? And Buhari replied: Yes to look after me. The question from the journalist was wrongly phrased and should, instead, have been : Those are your wife's function? Buhari's reply : Yes to look after me is the same as saying : Yes to take care of me. Whether Buhari's wife looks after him or takes care of him, can that be taken to imply that Buhari is dominating his wife? Is it not logical to think that a person who takes care of another person is superior to the person being taken care of? If ordinarily Buhari had said in a public place that my wife takes care of me, would he not have been called woman wrapper by some people while others would see him as being romantic?
Mr. Adepoju carried his gender war into Yorubaland by claiming that women are the only gender demonized as witches in Yoruba towns. He wrote, "The wizard in the Western imagination, like the Yoruba, Babalawo and Onisegun, has largely been a benign, if not mysterious figure." There is a mix up of ideas here by Mr. Adepoju. The words Àje and Osó in Yoruba language existed independent of the corresponding words in English, Witch and Wizard. While Àje applies to a female just like the English word Witch, Ôsó applies to a male just like in the English word Wizard. The common denominator for Ôsó and Àje is that both are sorcerers Thus, we can talk of gender equality in this wise. However, a wizard is neither a Babalawo nor Onisegun. In the actual sense of the word, Babalawo is a priest, especially of Ifa; Onisegun is a Doctor or Physician and there is even a third one called Adahunse which is a herbalist or an adept in occult powers. Although only males could be Babalawo both males and females could be Onisegun and Adahunse. The aforementioned phenomenon have no obvious connection with the statement of Buhari on his wife but I am compelled to put the record straight for the sake of others.
S.Kadiri
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'Ajanaku ko ja mo ri nkan firi . Bi a ba re erin a mo pe a re erin.'
[ Recreative translation]
Salimonu Kadiri
Ibukunolu Alao Olajide,
Thank you for your submissions below. I am a son of a man and a woman. Without both of them I would not have been born. I have always rated my mother and father as equals. When I was young, together with my siblings, whenever we requested anything financial from our father he used to direct us to our mother for decision and approval. Her word was final as the manager of the house and family economy despite the fact that our father was the chief income earner. I hold all women in high esteem, just as I do to my mother who was a full time self-employed trader that never regarded cooking for the family as a punishment or oppression. Both male and female children of my mother, in fact, helped her in the kitchen and we all learned how to prepare different Yoruba indigenous diets and soups through active participation. Traditionally, and as it was in other homes, my father was never allowed to enter the kitchen, even though he as a child learned through his mother how to cook food and was cooking as a bachelor before he got married to our mother. Thus, I am not, and I can never be a supporter of women degradation and oppression.
You gave the impression that Nigeria is now a modern country and as such the agrarian society that formulated gender roles in the past is no longer valid. I beg to disagree. Slavery in its different forms - colonialism, neo-colonialism (attainment of national flag and anthem) and globalisation - has never allowed Nigeria, and indeed the rest of Africa, to transform from the agrarian society to something else. Economically and industrially, today's Nigeria is neither modern nor agrarian since there are no manufacturing industries or factories and we import more than 90% of our foodstuffs. What we have today is a self-managed slavery presided over by slave overseers who are approved by the foreign slave masters. If we want to overcome our current economic problems, we should go back to the agrarian period when the slave masters interrupted our development. Rising up must occur at where one fell. I agree that what a man can do a woman can do and a times better. Nothing would gladen me better than seeing our farmers deploy tractors to work in their farms instead of using cutlasses and hoes, and not to talk of how happy I will be to see males and females harvest palm fruits with the aid of hydraulic lyfts in Nigeria. However, I can observe a great moral deficit of discussants on this forum who claim to be fighting for gender equality but have devoted all their attentions to what Buhari said about his wife and not what Aisha said about Buhari. Why?
Whatever is dirty and sacrilegious in our culture should be weeded out but Nigeria is not in Europe or America where the industrial and economic developments permit some (not all) men and women to share the burden (punishment) of cooking food in the kitchen. In Nigeria, and regardless of the educational level of the partners in marriage, kitchen is the exclusive preserve of the wife. A husband who dares occupy the kitchen would cause his mother to seek divine help from one of our Clergymen by saying : Help me, my son wan be wife to 'im wife. Clergyman : Waiting you mean? He wan get pikin for 'im belle? The Husband's mother: Nor be so o; he wan cook for kitchen make 'im wife sedon for chair de look. Clergyman : Na oyinbo book e don spoil 'im head. We go fast and pray hard o.
Until recently in Europe and America, wives prepared and served their husbands food but that culture is almost disappearing now as a result of equal economic opportunity for the genders. We should not put the cart before the horse in Nigeria. If Nigerians are liberated first from employment and economic oppression, kitchen liberation will automatically follow without any struggle.
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Ibukunolu Alao Olajide,
Thank you for your submissions below. I am a son of a man and a woman. Without both of them I would not have been born. I have always rated my mother and father as equals. When I was young, together with my siblings, whenever we requested anything financial from our father he used to direct us to our mother for decision and approval. Her word was final as the manager of the house and family economy despite the fact that our father was the chief income earner. I hold all women in high esteem, just as I do to my mother who was a full time self-employed trader that never regarded cooking for the family as a punishment or oppression. Both male and female children of my mother, in fact, helped her in the kitchen and we all learned how to prepare different Yoruba indigenous diets and soups through active participation. Traditionally, and as it was in other homes, my father was never allowed to enter the kitchen, even though he as a child learned through his mother how to cook food and was cooking as a bachelor before he got married to our mother. Thus, I am not, and I can never be a supporter of women degradation and oppression.
You gave the impression that Nigeria is now a modern country and as such the agrarian society that formulated gender roles in the past is no longer valid. I beg to disagree. Slavery in its different forms - colonialism, neo-colonialism (attainment of national flag and anthem) and globalisation - has never allowed Nigeria, and indeed the rest of Africa, to transform from the agrarian society to something else. Economically and industrially, today's Nigeria is neither modern nor agrarian since there are no manufacturing industries or factories and we import more than 90% of our foodstuffs. What we have today is a self-managed slavery presided over by slave overseers who are approved by the foreign slave masters. If we want to overcome our current economic problems, we should go back to the agrarian period when the slave masters interrupted our development. Rising up must occur at where one fell. I agree that what a man can do a woman can do and a times better. Nothing would gladen me better than seeing our farmers deploy tractors to work in their farms instead of using cutlasses and hoes, and not to talk of how happy I will be to see males and females harvest palm fruits with the aid of hydraulic lyfts in Nigeria. However, I can observe a great moral deficit of discussants on this forum who claim to be fighting for gender equality but have devoted all their attentions to what Buhari said about his wife and not what Aisha said about Buhari. Why?
Whatever is dirty and sacrilegious in our culture should be weeded out but Nigeria is not in Europe or America where the industrial and economic developments permit some (not all) men and women to share the burden (punishment) of cooking food in the kitchen. In Nigeria, and regardless of the educational level of the partners in marriage, kitchen is the exclusive preserve of the wife. A husband who dares occupy the kitchen would cause his mother to seek divine help from one of our Clergymen by saying : Help me, my son wan be wife to 'im wife. Clergyman : Waiting you mean? He wan get pikin for 'im belle? The Husband's mother: Nor be so o; he wan cook for kitchen make 'im wife sedon for chair de look. Clergyman : Na oyinbo book e don spoil 'im head. We go fast and pray hard o.
Until recently in Europe and America, wives prepared and served their husbands food but that culture is almost disappearing now as a result of equal economic opportunity for the genders. We should not put the cart before the horse in Nigeria. If Nigerians are liberated first from employment and economic oppression, kitchen liberation will automatically follow without any struggle.
S.Kadiri
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Polygamous societies, which most classical African societies were, where men could marry more than one wife, but women could not marry more than one husband, are not demonstrations of gender equality. What Salimonu is mistaking for gender equality is better described as division of labour, no more - Oluwatoyin Adepoju; Who made the laws dictating that men may marry more than one wife but women cannot? - Oluwatoyin Adepoju.
To begin with, my example of men climbing the palm-tree to harvest palm nuts and the ability of women to extract palm oil from the palm fruits clearly indicated that the labour of men was not valued higher than that of women since the labour of the palm tree climber would have been in vain but for the efforts of women which made the extraction of oil and other useful derivatives possible.
For reasons best known to Oluwatoyin, he brought in the practice of polygamy in Africa to typify gender inequality there. Traditions and cultures are functions of social and economic developments. The misfortune of Africans is that slavery stopped our socio-economic development so that we are prevented from transforming to something else and remnants of our archaic dictum and praxis have been bastardised from their original forms. Historically, our African ancestors believed that the purpose of sexual intercourse between a man and a woman was to procreate and not for pleasure. That was why a husband would abstain from sex with a wife nursing a child for three years. Since numbers of females, demographically were more than males, women in particular chose to share a man with another women so as not to be excluded from the chance of becoming a mother or to procreate. It is remarkable that where a man was married to a single woman and the wife had attained menopause, the wife in recognition of the limit of nature for her to be pregnant, would take the initiative to find a wife still capable of reproduction for the husband. She considered the husband having sex with her as wasting of his sperm which could have been used to procreate. The menopause-wife becomes mother of the house (the Yoruba called her ÌYÁLÉ). She decided on most of the domestic affairs in the house and participated actively in the nursing of the children of the junior wife. There were no laws compelling men to marry more than one wife and women not to marry more than one husband. Oluwatoyin's question arose out of his exposure to western influence that propagates sexual intercourse as a leisure hour engagements for men. Polygamy in its original form was never oppressive or dominating or for man's pleasurable enjoyment. Rather, it was a device by which all females of reproductive age were enhanced to be a mother in those days when children were reared as insurance towards old age. And where one had the misfortune of being barren, at old age, children of sisters and brothers would serve as the old age insurance.
When Christianity entered Europe, the Church forced the idea of man and wife as a family pattern on the society which until then was non-existing. Prior to that, sexual relation between a man and a woman was based on the superior strength of a man to conquer a woman. Where there was a competition between two men over a woman, men challenged one another to a duell at which the one that killed the other would have sex with the woman concerned. Pregnancy resulting out men's sexual intercourse was the entire problem of the woman in the pre-Christian Europe. In England, men considered their lives marred by the Church that imposed the institution of marriage on them. In many European countries the word, marry, is synonymous with poison and in England the word, marry was derived from the word, mar. In the Tudor Dynasty of England, King Henry VIII applied to the Roman Catholic Church in Rome for divorce with his wife, Queen Catherine of Aragon, because she was unable to produce a male child, the crown prince. When the Church rejected his request he severed relation with the Catholic Church to create the Church of England. Before the marriage was finally dissolved by the new Church of England headed by King Henry himself, it was revealed that the King infected Queen Catherine of Aragon with syphilis, resulting in their only daughter, Princess Mary, being born blind. King Henry the VIII married six times with different women and supported himself with chains of concubines around the corners of England. In Elizabethan England, the government of Harold Macmillan was forced to resign in 1964 after sex scandals involving the then Defence Minister, John Profumo and Lord Astor. While Profumo was a regular customer to the 18 year old prostitute, Christine Keeler, Lord Astor derived sexual joy from being whipped at bare bottom by the 16 year old prostitute, Mandy Rice-Davies. Then in 1973, England's deputy Minister of Defence, Lord Lambton was photographed naked in bed with a high society prostitute, the 26 year old Norma Levy, who also had parallel sexual affairs with Lord Jellicoe. The two men resigned their appointments. In 1984, 55 year old Cecil Parkinson was expected to succeed Margaret Thatcher as Prime Minister of England. His Secretary, Sara Keay announced publicly that Parkinson, a married man, was the father of the baby she was expecting and that they have had continuous affairs in 12 years. Parkinson's immediate successor, Jeffrey Archer, was a married 47 year old man and a father of two children. His career came to abrupt end when it became a public knowledge that Mr. Archer had sexual affairs with a high society prostitute, Monica Coghan. In 1992, a married 43 year old David Mellor and Secretary of Heritage in John Major's government was publicly exposed to have engaged in abnormal sexual activity with a 30 year old model, Antonia de Sancha.
Crossing over the Atlantic, historical archives reveal that Nelson Aldrich Rockefeller was the Vice President of the United States who died at the age of 70 in 1979. He died at 13 West, 54th Street in New York, right in the middle of sexual intercourse with his Secretary, a 25 year old Megan Marshack. He was legally married and had many children and grand children. Until his romance with the 37 year old striptease dancer, called Fanne Fox, was publicly disclosed, Wilbur Mills was one of the most respected politician in the United States.The drunk 66 year old Wilbur was unlucky to have been stopped by the Police late in the night in Boston for over-speeding. Fox, who feared being detected and identified where she was hiding at the back seat panicked, ran out of the car and jumped into Charles' River. A while after the drama at Charles' River
Fanne Fox committed abortion having been made pregnant by Wilbur Mills whose political career ended at once. In New York, the American billionaire, Henry Mudd kept six wives simultaneously in six different apartments for the period of 20 years. He attended to each wife constantly in a specific day of the week except Sundays. Mr. Mudd was 57 years old when he divorced his second wife. He had four children from his two divorced wives and nine grand children. When Henry Mudd died in 1992 at the age of 77, he recorded in his will not only the share of heritage to each wife, but also order of his weekly attendance to them in this manner : Mrs. Monday - Loraine, Mrs. Tuesday - Betty Sue Olend, Mrs. Wednesday - Paula Palmer, Mrs.Thursday - Eileen Cavanaugh, Mrs. Friday - Angie Dubel, and Mrs. Saturday - Vanessa Rossok. As we all know, Monica Lewinsky was not the only woman that had sexual taste of President Bil Clinton who was married to Hillary and they are, till date, still married. Oluwatoyin Adepoju, your western monogamy is nothing but serial monogamy better known as latent polygamy practised by Apostles of gender equality.
You wrote about Female Genital Mutilation in Africa, but failed to mention Male Genital Mutilation. Yet, you honestly know that both males and females are circumcised in Africa though not because of the reasons given by you. Europeans might not have been performing circumcision on their females but in their history, there were records of Chastity Gaddles where the two sides of the female labia were perforated and padlocked by European men who retained the key to ensure that other males did not have sexual access to their wives or fiancés.
He (Buhari) is ready to concede that interviewer's wife may work as well as look after home. He is emphatic, however, that his own wife has no place in politics... - Oluwatoyin.
Buhari has succeeded in fooling people like you by distracting attention from his wife's criticism of his appointment of his officials to discussion of his wife belonging to the kitchen. I am just reading that Aisha, the wife of President Buhari, who is supposed to belong to, or be restricted to the kitchen, has delivered today, 19 October 2016, a keynote address at African Women's Forum in Brussel, Belgium, on Women's Role In Global Security. You are a PDP fanatic and ironically, umbrella is the symbol of PDP. Now, you spread umbrella over your head at sun set without rain and you think that you are wise. It is amusing!!
S. Kadiri
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I don't think she wishes to be confined to the kitchen and she does not any woman either to be confined to the kitchen. But as a woman it is not unlikely that she has a husband, in spite of her academic achievements. And to own a husband, the Yoruba says, Olóbè ni o ni õko - soup maker owns the husband. By the way, Aisha Buhari who is supposed to have been confined to the kitchen by President Buhari was present today at the African Women's Forum in Brussel, Belgium, to speak on Women's Role In Global Security. What do you make out of that?
S. Kadiri
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Polygamous societies, which most classical African societies were, where men could marry more than one wife, but women could not marry more than one husband, are not demonstrations of gender equality. What Salimonu is mistaking for gender equality is better described as division of labour, no more - Oluwatoyin Adepoju; Who made the laws dictating that men may marry more than one wife but women cannot? - Oluwatoyin Adepoju.
To begin with, my example of men climbing the palm-tree to harvest palm nuts and the ability of women to extract palm oil from the palm fruits clearly indicated that the labour of men was not valued higher than that of women since the labour of the palm tree climber would have been in vain but for the efforts of women which made the extraction of oil and other useful derivatives possible.
For reasons best known to Oluwatoyin, he brought in the practice of polygamy in Africa to typify gender inequality there. Traditions and cultures are functions of social and economic developments. The misfortune of Africans is that slavery stopped our socio-economic development so that we are prevented from transforming to something else and remnants of our archaic dictum and praxis have been bastardised from their original forms. Historically, our African ancestors believed that the purpose of sexual intercourse between a man and a woman was to procreate and not for pleasure. That was why a husband would abstain from sex with a wife nursing a child for three years. Since numbers of females, demographically were more than males, women in particular chose to share a man with another women so as not to be excluded from the chance of becoming a mother or to procreate. It is remarkable that where a man was married to a single woman and the wife had attained menopause, the wife in recognition of the limit of nature for her to be pregnant, would take the initiative to find a wife still capable of reproduction for the husband. She considered the husband having sex with her as wasting of his sperm which could have been used to procreate. The menopause-wife becomes mother of the house (the Yoruba called her ÌYÁLÉ). She decided on most of the domestic affairs in the house and participated actively in the nursing of the children of the junior wife. There were no laws compelling men to marry more than one wife and women not to marry more than one husband. Oluwatoyin's question arose out of his exposure to western influence that propagates sexual intercourse as a leisure hour engagements for men. Polygamy in its original form was never oppressive or dominating or for man's pleasurable enjoyment. Rather, it was a device by which all females of reproductive age were enhanced to be a mother in those days when children were reared as insurance towards old age. And where one had the misfortune of being barren, at old age, children of sisters and brothers would serve as the old age insurance.
When Christianity entered Europe, the Church forced the idea of man and wife as a family pattern on the society which until then was non-existing. Prior to that, sexual relation between a man and a woman was based on the superior strength of a man to conquer a woman. Where there was a competition between two men over a woman, men challenged one another to a duell at which the one that killed the other would have sex with the woman concerned. Pregnancy resulting out men's sexual intercourse was the entire problem of the woman in the pre-Christian Europe. In England, men considered their lives marred by the Church that imposed the institution of marriage on them. In many European countries the word, marry, is synonymous with poison and in England the word, marry was derived from the word, mar. In the Tudor Dynasty of England, King Henry VIII applied to the Roman Catholic Church in Rome for divorce with his wife, Queen Catherine of Aragon, because she was unable to produce a male child, the crown prince. When the Church rejected his request he severed relation with the Catholic Church to create the Church of England. Before the marriage was finally dissolved by the new Church of England headed by King Henry himself, it was revealed that the King infected Queen Catherine of Aragon with syphilis, resulting in their only daughter, Princess Mary, being born blind. King Henry the VIII married six times with different women and supported himself with chains of concubines around the corners of England. In Elizabethan England, the government of Harold Macmillan was forced to resign in 1964 after sex scandals involving the then Defence Minister, John Profumo and Lord Astor. While Profumo was a regular customer to the 18 year old prostitute, Christine Keeler, Lord Astor derived sexual joy from being whipped at bare bottom by the 16 year old prostitute, Mandy Rice-Davies. Then in 1973, England's deputy Minister of Defence, Lord Lambton was photographed naked in bed with a high society prostitute, the 26 year old Norma Levy, who also had parallel sexual affairs with Lord Jellicoe. The two men resigned their appointments. In 1984, 55 year old Cecil Parkinson was expected to succeed Margaret Thatcher as Prime Minister of England. His Secretary, Sara Keay announced publicly that Parkinson, a married man, was the father of the baby she was expecting and that they have had continuous affairs in 12 years. Parkinson's immediate successor, Jeffrey Archer, was a married 47 year old man and a father of two children. His career came to abrupt end when it became a public knowledge that Mr. Archer had sexual affairs with a high society prostitute, Monica Coghan. In 1992, a married 43 year old David Mellor and Secretary of Heritage in John Major's government was publicly exposed to have engaged in abnormal sexual activity with a 30 year old model, Antonia de Sancha.
Crossing over the Atlantic, historical archives reveal that Nelson Aldrich Rockefeller was the Vice President of the United States who died at the age of 70 in 1979. He died at 13 West, 54th Street in New York, right in the middle of sexual intercourse with his Secretary, a 25 year old Megan Marshack. He was legally married and had many children and grand children. Until his romance with the 37 year old striptease dancer, called Fanne Fox, was publicly disclosed, Wilbur Mills was one of the most respected politician in the United States.The drunk 66 year old Wilbur was unlucky to have been stopped by the Police late in the night in Boston for over-speeding. Fox, who feared being detected and identified where she was hiding at the back seat panicked, ran out of the car and jumped into Charles' River. A while after the drama at Charles' River
Fanne Fox committed abortion having been made pregnant by Wilbur Mills whose political career ended at once. In New York, the American billionaire, Henry Mudd kept six wives simultaneously in six different apartments for the period of 20 years. He attended to each wife constantly in a specific day of the week except Sundays. Mr. Mudd was 57 years old when he divorced his second wife. He had four children from his two divorced wives and nine grand children. When Henry Mudd died in 1992 at the age of 77, he recorded in his will not only the share of heritage to each wife, but also order of his weekly attendance to them in this manner : Mrs. Monday - Loraine, Mrs. Tuesday - Betty Sue Olend, Mrs. Wednesday - Paula Palmer, Mrs.Thursday - Eileen Cavanaugh, Mrs. Friday - Angie Dubel, and Mrs. Saturday - Vanessa Rossok. As we all know, Monica Lewinsky was not the only woman that had sexual taste of President Bil Clinton who was married to Hillary and they are, till date, still married. Oluwatoyin Adepoju, your western monogamy is nothing but serial monogamy better known as latent polygamy practised by Apostles of gender equality.
You wrote about Female Genital Mutilation in Africa, but failed to mention Male Genital Mutilation. Yet, you honestly know that both males and females are circumcised in Africa though not because of the reasons given by you. Europeans might not have been performing circumcision on their females but in their history, there were records of Chastity Gaddles where the two sides of the female labia were perforated and padlocked by European men who retained the key to ensure that other males did not have sexual access to their wives or fiancés.
He (Buhari) is ready to concede that interviewer's wife may work as well as look after home. He is emphatic, however, that his own wife has no place in politics... - Oluwatoyin.
Buhari has succeeded in fooling people like you by distracting attention from his wife's criticism of his appointment of his officials to discussion of his wife belonging to the kitchen. I am just reading that Aisha, the wife of President Buhari, who is supposed to belong to, or be restricted to the kitchen, has delivered today, 19 October 2016, a keynote address at African Women's Forum in Brussel, Belgium, on Women's Role In Global Security. You are a PDP fanatic and ironically, umbrella is the symbol of PDP. Now, you spread umbrella over your head at sun set without rain and you think that you are wise. It is amusing!!
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Ibukunolu A Babajide
For Me the kitchen is still the most powerful place in a home and by extension the state, because the person in control of the Kitchen by extension controls the mind and the physical well being of the Household. So whatever my educational attainment and occupation, I will still like to be in my Kitchen and or exercise full authority in it. However I will expand the concept of Kitchen to include the household in general.Nkolika
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Ibukunolu Alao Olajide,
Thank you for your submissions below. I am a son of a man and a woman. Without both of them I would not have been born. I have always rated my mother and father as equals. When I was young, together with my siblings, whenever we requested anything financial from our father he used to direct us to our mother for decision and approval. Her word was final as the manager of the house and family economy despite the fact that our father was the chief income earner. I hold all women in high esteem, just as I do to my mother who was a full time self-employed trader that never regarded cooking for the family as a punishment or oppression. Both male and female children of my mother, in fact, helped her in the kitchen and we all learned how to prepare different Yoruba indigenous diets and soups through active participation. Traditionally, and as it was in other homes, my father was never allowed to enter the kitchen, even though he as a child learned through his mother how to cook food and was cooking as a bachelor before he got married to our mother. Thus, I am not, and I can never be a supporter of women degradation and oppression.
You gave the impression that Nigeria is now a modern country and as such the agrarian society that formulated gender roles in the past is no longer valid. I beg to disagree. Slavery in its different forms - colonialism, neo-colonialism (attainment of national flag and anthem) and globalisation - has never allowed Nigeria, and indeed the rest of Africa, to transform from the agrarian society to something else. Economically and industrially, today's Nigeria is neither modern nor agrarian since there are no manufacturing industries or factories and we import more than 90% of our foodstuffs. What we have today is a self-managed slavery presided over by slave overseers who are approved by the foreign slave masters. If we want to overcome our current economic problems, we should go back to the agrarian period when the slave masters interrupted our development. Rising up must occur at where one fell. I agree that what a man can do a woman can do and a times better. Nothing would gladen me better than seeing our farmers deploy tractors to work in their farms instead of using cutlasses and hoes, and not to talk of how happy I will be to see males and females harvest palm fruits with the aid of hydraulic lyfts in Nigeria. However, I can observe a great moral deficit of discussants on this forum who claim to be fighting for gender equality but have devoted all their attentions to what Buhari said about his wife and not what Aisha said about Buhari. Why?
Whatever is dirty and sacrilegious in our culture should be weeded out but Nigeria is not in Europe or America where the industrial and economic developments permit some (not all) men and women to share the burden (punishment) of cooking food in the kitchen. In Nigeria, and regardless of the educational level of the partners in marriage, kitchen is the exclusive preserve of the wife. A husband who dares occupy the kitchen would cause his mother to seek divine help from one of our Clergymen by saying : Help me, my son wan be wife to 'im wife. Clergyman : Waiting you mean? He wan get pikin for 'im belle? The Husband's mother: Nor be so o; he wan cook for kitchen make 'im wife sedon for chair de look. Clergyman : Na oyinbo book e don spoil 'im head. We go fast and pray hard o.Until recently in Europe and America, wives prepared and served their husbands food but that culture is almost disappearing now as a result of equal economic opportunity for the genders. We should not put the cart before the horse in Nigeria. If Nigerians are liberated first from employment and economic oppression, kitchen liberation will automatically follow without any struggle.S.Kadiri
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IBK,
May your days be long. This effort by some to defend and rationalize a man banishing a woman to the kitchen, etc reminds me of the "separate but equal" rationale used in the past in the USA to keep one group in poor schools and facilities while others enjoy better schools and facilities...even as they argue that things are equal. Today, you have institutions who would hire a lot of minorities for low level positions (e.g as janitors) but never as top professionals (such as Dean or President) and when you question the diversity of their human resources, they give you the number of minorities employed in an attempt to mask inequality with statistics.... as if hiring at a low level makes up for not hiring at higher levels or having a glass ceiling. If these positions or roles that people with privilege assign to the less powerful are as equal and great as the privileged would want us to believe, why is it that the privileged is never willing to play such roles for a change?
OU
Dear Nkolika Ebele,The symbolism of the Kitchen is not the issue here. The issue is the gender power relations between the members of the Household vis-à-vis the Kitchen and the other room.The crux of the debate is the choice of the woman to be and pick whatever room that suits her, instead of being banished into that room (or the Kitchen) by a man!That is the heart of the discourse!Cheers.IBK
Oluwatoyin Vincent Adepoju
Courtly Love, a central concept in European ideational and social history, understood as deeply influenced by Andalusian and Islamic examples-
Andalusian and Islamic influence
'Hispano-Arabic literature, as well as Arabist influence on Sicily, provided a further source, in parallel with Ovid, for the early troubadours of Provence—overlooked though this sometimes is in accounts of courtly love. The Arabic poets and poetry of Muslim Spain express similarly oxymoronic views of love as both beneficial and distressing as the troubadours were to do;[3] while the broader European contact with the Islamic world must also be taken into consideration.[16]
Given that practices similar to courtly love were already prevalent in Al-Andalus and elsewhere in the Islamic world, it is very likely that Islamic practices influenced the Christian Europeans. William of Aquitane, for example, was involved in the First Crusade, and in the ongoing Reconquista in Spain, so that he would have come into contact with Muslim culture a great deal.[citation needed]
According to Gustave E. von Grunebaum, there were several relevant elements which developed in Arabic literature, including such contrasts as sickness/medecine and delight/torment to characterise the love experience.[3] The notions of "love for love's sake" and "exaltation of the beloved lady" have been traced back to Arabic literature of the 9th and 10th centuries. The notion of the "ennobling power" of love was developed in the early 11th century by the Persian psychologist and philosopher, Ibn Sina (known as "Avicenna" in Europe), in his treatise Risala fi'l-Ishq ("Treatise on Love"). The final element of courtly love, the concept of "love as desire never to be fulfilled", was at times implicit in Arabic poetry, but was first developed into a doctrine in European literature, in which all four elements of courtly love were present.[17]
According to an argument outlined by Maria Rosa Menocal in The Arabic Role in Medieval Literary History, in 11th-century Spain, a group of wandering poets appeared who would go from court to court, and sometimes travel to Christian courts in southern France, a situation closely mirroring what would happen in southern France about a century later. Contacts between these Spanish poets and the French troubadours were frequent. The metrical forms used by the Spanish poets were similar to those later used by the troubadours.[citation needed]'
from Courtly love- WikipediaKenneth Harrow
I love hearing about courtly love, which I taught for some years. It was grounded in feudal relations, the highly placed woman noble, over the lowly knight…
Anyway, I am writing to suggest that for marx all this was replaced by the relationships engendered by capitalism and class consciousness, class roles. Marx might have been too cynical about the role money played in bourgeois marriages, but the way courtly love evolved into bourgeois, and proletariat relations, is worth considering
ken
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I have limited my definition of polygamy to the belief of Oluwatoyin Adepoju that there are laws granting men rights to marry more than one wife in Africa but not for women to marry more than one husband, which he termed Gender Inequality (Oppression). While polyandry is unknown in Nigeria, polygyny is well established. Polyandry, a process where a female animal in the forest mates with many male animals of the same type, may not easily be applicable to human beings, whose sense of moral, demand that a child born by a woman must have a specific father. In Yoruba, if the birth of a child by a woman cannot be attached or associated with a specific man (husband), such a child is referred to as OMÓ AJÁ (because a female dog used to mate with many male dogs) or OMÓ ÀLÈ meaning a bastard. Animals in the forest do not practise only polyandry but, also incest which morally is forbidden in law in most human societies. A human society in which polyandry is a norm risks self-extinction. Naturally, only women can be pregnant and in a human society where a woman can marry to more than one man, a polyandry's child would have, at least, two fathers. In most societies, men are demographical less in number than women. Consequently, there would be surplus of women with no man to pair with in polyandrous relation. And as more girls are born in polyandrous families than boys, eventual extinction of the society would be imminent. As long as procreation is the ultimate intention of mating, if more boys are produced than girls in polyandrous families, a woman will have access to many men simultaneously but she can only give birth to a child and, at best, give birth to triplets or twins, which will eventually lead to decimation of the population and total extinction of the society. I am not aware of any country in Africa where polyandry is practised but polygyny, your preferred name for polygamy, is very common. But family paterns are changing rapidly especially in Europe and America in what is called same sex marriages. While associations of tribades in Europe and America are demanding that men should be compelled to deposit their sperms at fertility clinics, male sodomites also demand that their rights to adopt children be legitimatized.
How did we arrive at discussing polygamy, polyandry and polygyny just because Aisha Buhari, the wife of the President of Nigeria granted an interview to BBC? It is because discussants fell flatly for the diversionary tactic of Buhari, who instead of answering the question from the journalist about what he thought of the criticism his wife expressed on the competence and effectiveness of his appointed officials, began to talk about his wife belonging to the kitchen. In the BBC interview, Aisha Buhari did not talk about preparing TUWO, SUYA or KULINKULI for her husband as meal. She said in a plain language that her husband's government has been hijacked by people who are alien to the political ideology of the APC and that many of Buhari's appointed officials did not vote for him because they did not have voters' card. She expressed fear that the 15 million people that voted for Buhari might revolt against her husband if he does not change course. Finally, she threatened not to go out and campaign for votes for the husband if he decided to contest in 2019 if his present administration persists. Journalists and discussants should have insisted on Buhari responding to his wife's criticism of his officials and not succumb to his kitchen gaffe and locker room joke, in front of the German Chancellor, Angela Merkel, and the German Defence Minister, Ursula Gertrud von der Leyen, both of them women. Instead of Angela Merkel and Ursula Gertrud von der Leyen, Buhari ought to have demanded to talk with their husbands or shift their meeting to their husbands kitchen where, according to Buhari, they belong. For me, it is unpleasant to view a kitchen as a place of punishment when no one wishes to starve to death. Don't we all eat?
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Oluwatoyin Vincent Adepoju
The character of husbandhood and fatherhood differs across societies, a striking example being that of partible paternity, or multiple fatherhood, as evident in South America. Another is the Igbo institution of the female husband, addressed with diffferent assements as to its significance, by, among others, Kenneth Chukwuemeka Nwoko in "Female Husbands in Igboland : South-Eastern Nigeria" and Ifi Amadiume's Male Daughters, Female Husbands : Gender and Sex in an African Society.
Various societies have developed diffferent forms of gender constructions and gender relations.Others can be developed, with imagination being the only limit to such arrangements.
'male sodomites also demand that their rights to adopt children be legitimatized'- Salimonu
Salimonu is invoking the horrible explanation of this dismissal of his wife, in front of the female leaders of the German nation and military, as a joke, thereby creating a situation described in Yoruba as 'otu boro je', which may be translated as 'he further mangles an already bad case'.
I have limited my definition of polygamy to the belief of Oluwatoyin Adepoju that there are laws granting men rights to marry more than one wife in Africa but not for women to marry more than one husband, which he termed Gender Inequality (Oppression). While polyandry is unknown in Nigeria, polygyny is well established. Polyandry, a process where a female animal in the forest mates with many male animals of the same type, may not easily be applicable to human beings, whose sense of moral, demand that a child born by a woman must have a specific father. In Yoruba, if the birth of a child by a woman cannot be attached or associated with a specific man (husband), such a child is referred to as OMÓ AJÁ (because a female dog used to mate with many male dogs) or OMÓ ÀLÈ meaning a bastard. Animals in the forest do not practise only polyandry but, also incest which morally is forbidden in law in most human societies. A human society in which polyandry is a norm risks self-extinction. Naturally, only women can be pregnant and in a human society where a woman can marry to more than one man, a polyandry's child would have, at least, two fathers. In most societies, men are demographical less in number than women. Consequently, there would be surplus of women with no man to pair with in polyandrous relation. And as more girls are born in polyandrous families than boys, eventual extinction of the society would be imminent. As long as procreation is the ultimate intention of mating, if more boys are produced than girls in polyandrous families, a woman will have access to many men simultaneously but she can only give birth to a child and, at best, give birth to triplets or twins, which will eventually lead to decimation of the population and total extinction of the society. I am not aware of any country in Africa where polyandry is practised but polygyny, your preferred name for polygamy, is very common. But family paterns are changing rapidly especially in Europe and America in what is called same sex marriages. While associations of tribades in Europe and America are demanding that men should be compelled to deposit their sperms at fertility clinics, male sodomites also demand that their rights to adopt children be legitimatized.
How did we arrive at discussing polygamy, polyandry and polygyny just because Aisha Buhari, the wife of the President of Nigeria granted an interview to BBC? It is because discussants fell flatly for the diversionary tactic of Buhari, who instead of answering the question from the journalist about what he thought of the criticism his wife expressed on the competence and effectiveness of his appointed officials, began to talk about his wife belonging to the kitchen. In the BBC interview, Aisha Buhari did not talk about preparing TUWO, SUYA or KULINKULI for her husband as meal. She said in a plain language that her husband's government has been hijacked by people who are alien to the political ideology of the APC and that many of Buhari's appointed officials did not vote for him because they did not have voters' card. She expressed fear that the 15 million people that voted for Buhari might revolt against her husband if he does not change course. Finally, she threatened not to go out and campaign for votes for the husband if he decided to contest in 2019 if his present administration persists. Journalists and discussants should have insisted on Buhari responding to his wife's criticism of his officials and not succumb to his kitchen gaffe and locker room joke, in front of the German Chancellor, Angela Merkel, and the German Defence Minister, Ursula Gertrud von der Leyen, both of them women. Instead of Angela Merkel and Ursula Gertrud von der Leyen, Buhari ought to have demanded to talk with their husbands or shift their meeting to their husbands kitchen where, according to Buhari, they belong. For me, it is unpleasant to view a kitchen as a place of punishment when no one wishes to starve to death. Don't we all eat?
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Please note that polygamy encompasses two concepts; namely: polygyny and polyandry. Polygyny equals one man and more than one wife (two or more wives). Polyandry equals one woman and more than one husband (two or more husbands). You have to investigate the societies in which these marriage types occur rather than stating that the latter never happens
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Polygamous societies, which most classical African societies were, where men could marry more than one wife, but women could not marry more than one husband, are not demonstrations of gender equality. What Salimonu is mistaking for gender equality is better described as division of labour, no more - Oluwatoyin Adepoju; Who made the laws dictating that men may marry more than one wife but women cannot? - Oluwatoyin Adepoju.
To begin with, my example of men climbing the palm-tree to harvest palm nuts and the ability of women to extract palm oil from the palm fruits clearly indicated that the labour of men was not valued higher than that of women since the labour of the palm tree climber would have been in vain but for the efforts of women which made the extraction of oil and other useful derivatives possible.
For reasons best known to Oluwatoyin, he brought in the practice of polygamy in Africa to typify gender inequality there. Traditions and cultures are functions of social and economic developments. The misfortune of Africans is that slavery stopped our socio-economic development so that we are prevented from transforming to something else and remnants of our archaic dictum and praxis have been bastardised from their original forms. Historically, our African ancestors believed that the purpose of sexual intercourse between a man and a woman was to procreate and not for pleasure. That was why a husband would abstain from sex with a wife nursing a child for three years. Since numbers of females, demographically were more than males, women in particular chose to share a man with another women so as not to be excluded from the chance of becoming a mother or to procreate. It is remarkable that where a man was married to a single woman and the wife had attained menopause, the wife in recognition of the limit of nature for her to be pregnant, would take the initiative to find a wife still capable of reproduction for the husband. She considered the husband having sex with her as wasting of his sperm which could have been used to procreate. The menopause-wife becomes mother of the house (the Yoruba called her ÌYÁLÉ). She decided on most of the domestic affairs in the house and participated actively in the nursing of the children of the junior wife. There were no laws compelling men to marry more than one wife and women not to marry more than one husband. Oluwatoyin's question arose out of his exposure to western influence that propagates sexual intercourse as a leisure hour engagements for men. Polygamy in its original form was never oppressive or dominating or for man's pleasurable enjoyment. Rather, it was a device by which all females of reproductive age were enhanced to be a mother in those days when children were reared as insurance towards old age. And where one had the misfortune of being barren, at old age, children of sisters and brothers would serve as the old age insurance.
When Christianity entered Europe, the Church forced the idea of man and wife as a family pattern on the society which until then was non-existing. Prior to that, sexual relation between a man and a woman was based on the superior strength of a man to conquer a woman. Where there was a competition between two men over a woman, men challenged one another to a duell at which the one that killed the other would have sex with the woman concerned. Pregnancy resulting out men's sexual intercourse was the entire problem of the woman in the pre-Christian Europe. In England, men considered their lives marred by the Church that imposed the institution of marriage on them. In many European countries the word, marry, is synonymous with poison and in England the word, marry was derived from the word, mar. In the Tudor Dynasty of England, King Henry VIII applied to the Roman Catholic Church in Rome for divorce with his wife, Queen Catherine of Aragon, because she was unable to produce a male child, the crown prince. When the Church rejected his request he severed relation with the Catholic Church to create the Church of England. Before the marriage was finally dissolved by the new Church of England headed by King Henry himself, it was revealed that the King infected Queen Catherine of Aragon with syphilis, resulting in their only daughter, Princess Mary, being born blind. King Henry the VIII married six times with different women and supported himself with chains of concubines around the corners of England. In Elizabethan England, the government of Harold Macmillan was forced to resign in 1964 after sex scandals involving the then Defence Minister, John Profumo and Lord Astor. While Profumo was a regular customer to the 18 year old prostitute, Christine Keeler, Lord Astor derived sexual joy from being whipped at bare bottom by the 16 year old prostitute, Mandy Rice-Davies. Then in 1973, England's deputy Minister of Defence, Lord Lambton was photographed naked in bed with a high society prostitute, the 26 year old Norma Levy, who also had parallel sexual affairs with Lord Jellicoe. The two men resigned their appointments. In 1984, 55 year old Cecil Parkinson was expected to succeed Margaret Thatcher as Prime Minister of England. His Secretary, Sara Keay announced publicly that Parkinson, a married man, was the father of the baby she was expecting and that they have had continuous affairs in 12 years. Parkinson's immediate successor, Jeffrey Archer, was a married 47 year old man and a father of two children. His career came to abrupt end when it became a public knowledge that Mr. Archer had sexual affairs with a high society prostitute, Monica Coghan. In 1992, a married 43 year old David Mellor and Secretary of Heritage in John Major's government was publicly exposed to have engaged in abnormal sexual activity with a 30 year old model, Antonia de Sancha.
Crossing over the Atlantic, historical archives reveal that Nelson Aldrich Rockefeller was the Vice President of the United States who died at the age of 70 in 1979. He died at 13 West, 54th Street in New York, right in the middle of sexual intercourse with his Secretary, a 25 year old Megan Marshack. He was legally married and had many children and grand children. Until his romance with the 37 year old striptease dancer, called Fanne Fox, was publicly disclosed, Wilbur Mills was one of the most respected politician in the United States.The drunk 66 year old Wilbur was unlucky to have been stopped by the Police late in the night in Boston for over-speeding. Fox, who feared being detected and identified where she was hiding at the back seat panicked, ran out of the car and jumped into Charles' River. A while after the drama at Charles' River
Fanne Fox committed abortion having been made pregnant by Wilbur Mills whose political career ended at once. In New York, the American billionaire, Henry Mudd kept six wives simultaneously in six different apartments for the period of 20 years. He attended to each wife constantly in a specific day of the week except Sundays. Mr. Mudd was 57 years old when he divorced his second wife. He had four children from his two divorced wives and nine grand children. When Henry Mudd died in 1992 at the age of 77, he recorded in his will not only the share of heritage to each wife, but also order of his weekly attendance to them in this manner : Mrs. Monday - Loraine, Mrs. Tuesday - Betty Sue Olend, Mrs. Wednesday - Paula Palmer, Mrs.Thursday - Eileen Cavanaugh, Mrs. Friday - Angie Dubel, and Mrs. Saturday - Vanessa Rossok. As we all know, Monica Lewinsky was not the only woman that had sexual taste of President Bil Clinton who was married to Hillary and they are, till date, still married. Oluwatoyin Adepoju, your western monogamy is nothing but serial monogamy better known as latent polygamy practised by Apostles of gender equality.
You wrote about Female Genital Mutilation in Africa, but failed to mention Male Genital Mutilation. Yet, you honestly know that both males and females are circumcised in Africa though not because of the reasons given by you. Europeans might not have been performing circumcision on their females but in their history, there were records of Chastity Gaddles where the two sides of the female labia were perforated and padlocked by European men who retained the key to ensure that other males did not have sexual access to their wives or fiancés.
He (Buhari) is ready to concede that interviewer's wife may work as well as look after home. He is emphatic, however, that his own wife has no place in politics... - Oluwatoyin.
Buhari has succeeded in fooling people like you by distracting attention from his wife's criticism of his appointment of his officials to discussion of his wife belonging to the kitchen. I am just reading that Aisha, the wife of President Buhari, who is supposed to belong to, or be restricted to the kitchen, has delivered today, 19 October 2016, a keynote address at African Women's Forum in Brussel, Belgium, on Women's Role In Global Security. You are a PDP fanatic and ironically, umbrella is the symbol of PDP. Now, you spread umbrella over your head at sun set without rain and you think that you are wise. It is amusing!!
S. Kadiri
Emeagwali, Gloria (History)
http://modernnotion.com/polyandry-when-women-have-multiple-husbands/
Toyin was quite right, as he has been in his recent postings, minus one.
In fact polyandry thrives in Nepal and Tibet, parts of Morocco, Venezuela, Brazil
and among the Inuit in Canada, I believe that it also thrived in South Asia,
Kenya and according to a 1980 research article I came across - in the Journal of Comparative Family Research, 1980 -
in Plateau State, Nigeria.
In fraternal polyandry, paternity is not a major issue since property and offsprings of the union stay within the
family lineage. These societies did not go extinct.
Apparently one of the practical factors leading to the situation in some societies is a disproportionate
number of males, as pointed out by Toyin.
The 2015 article above clarifies some issues. See also www.jstor.org/stable/41601145.
Are the men confined to the kitchen and the other room in these marital systems?
I don't know.
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Oluwatoyin Vincent Adepoju
http://modernnotion.com/polyandry-when-women-have-multiple-husbands/
Toyin was quite right, as he has been in his recent postings, minus one.
In fact polyandry thrives in Nepal and Tibet, parts of Morocco, Venezuela, Brazil
and among the Inuit in Canada, I believe that it also thrived in South Asia,
Kenya and according to a 1980 research article I came across - in the Journal of Comparative Family Research, 1980 -
in Plateau State, Nigeria.
In fraternal polyandry, paternity is not a major issue since property and offsprings of the union stay within the
family lineage. These societies did not go extinct.
Apparently one of the practical factors leading to the situation in some societies is a disproportionate
number of males, as pointed out by Toyin.
The 2015 article above clarifies some issues. See also www.jstor.org/stable/41601145.
Are the men confined to the kitchen and the other room in these marital systems?
I don't know.
vimeo.com/user5946750/videos
Gloria Emeagwali's Documentaries onAfrica and the African Diaspora
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I have limited my definition of polygamy to the belief of Oluwatoyin Adepoju that there are laws granting men rights to marry more than one wife in Africa but not for women to marry more than one husband, which he termed Gender Inequality (Oppression). While polyandry is unknown in Nigeria, polygyny is well established. Polyandry, a process where a female animal in the forest mates with many male animals of the same type, may not easily be applicable to human beings, whose sense of moral, demand that a child born by a woman must have a specific father. In Yoruba, if the birth of a child by a woman cannot be attached or associated with a specific man (husband), such a child is referred to as OMÓ AJÁ (because a female dog used to mate with many male dogs) or OMÓ ÀLÈ meaning a bastard. Animals in the forest do not practise only polyandry but, also incest which morally is forbidden in law in most human societies. A human society in which polyandry is a norm risks self-extinction. Naturally, only women can be pregnant and in a human society where a woman can marry to more than one man, a polyandry's child would have, at least, two fathers. In most societies, men are demographical less in number than women. Consequently, there would be surplus of women with no man to pair with in polyandrous relation. And as more girls are born in polyandrous families than boys, eventual extinction of the society would be imminent. As long as procreation is the ultimate intention of mating, if more boys are produced than girls in polyandrous families, a woman will have access to many men simultaneously but she can only give birth to a child and, at best, give birth to triplets or twins, which will eventually lead to decimation of the population and total extinction of the society. I am not aware of any country in Africa where polyandry is practised but polygyny, your preferred name for polygamy, is very common. But family paterns are changing rapidly especially in Europe and America in what is called same sex marriages. While associations of tribades in Europe and America are demanding that men should be compelled to deposit their sperms at fertility clinics, male sodomites also demand that their rights to adopt children be legitimatized.
How did we arrive at discussing polygamy, polyandry and polygyny just because Aisha Buhari, the wife of the President of Nigeria granted an interview to BBC? It is because discussants fell flatly for the diversionary tactic of Buhari, who instead of answering the question from the journalist about what he thought of the criticism his wife expressed on the competence and effectiveness of his appointed officials, began to talk about his wife belonging to the kitchen. In the BBC interview, Aisha Buhari did not talk about preparing TUWO, SUYA or KULINKULI for her husband as meal. She said in a plain language that her husband's government has been hijacked by people who are alien to the political ideology of the APC and that many of Buhari's appointed officials did not vote for him because they did not have voters' card. She expressed fear that the 15 million people that voted for Buhari might revolt against her husband if he does not change course. Finally, she threatened not to go out and campaign for votes for the husband if he decided to contest in 2019 if his present administration persists. Journalists and discussants should have insisted on Buhari responding to his wife's criticism of his officials and not succumb to his kitchen gaffe and locker room joke, in front of the German Chancellor, Angela Merkel, and the German Defence Minister, Ursula Gertrud von der Leyen, both of them women. Instead of Angela Merkel and Ursula Gertrud von der Leyen, Buhari ought to have demanded to talk with their husbands or shift their meeting to their husbands kitchen where, according to Buhari, they belong. For me, it is unpleasant to view a kitchen as a place of punishment when no one wishes to starve to death. Don't we all eat?
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Please note that polygamy encompasses two concepts; namely: polygyny and polyandry. Polygyny equals one man and more than one wife (two or more wives). Polyandry equals one woman and more than one husband (two or more husbands). You have to investigate the societies in which these marriage types occur rather than stating that the latter never happens
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Polygamous societies, which most classical African societies were, where men could marry more than one wife, but women could not marry more than one husband, are not demonstrations of gender equality. What Salimonu is mistaking for gender equality is better described as division of labour, no more - Oluwatoyin Adepoju; Who made the laws dictating that men may marry more than one wife but women cannot? - Oluwatoyin Adepoju.
To begin with, my example of men climbing the palm-tree to harvest palm nuts and the ability of women to extract palm oil from the palm fruits clearly indicated that the labour of men was not valued higher than that of women since the labour of the palm tree climber would have been in vain but for the efforts of women which made the extraction of oil and other useful derivatives possible.
For reasons best known to Oluwatoyin, he brought in the practice of polygamy in Africa to typify gender inequality there. Traditions and cultures are functions of social and economic developments. The misfortune of Africans is that slavery stopped our socio-economic development so that we are prevented from transforming to something else and remnants of our archaic dictum and praxis have been bastardised from their original forms. Historically, our African ancestors believed that the purpose of sexual intercourse between a man and a woman was to procreate and not for pleasure. That was why a husband would abstain from sex with a wife nursing a child for three years. Since numbers of females, demographically were more than males, women in particular chose to share a man with another women so as not to be excluded from the chance of becoming a mother or to procreate. It is remarkable that where a man was married to a single woman and the wife had attained menopause, the wife in recognition of the limit of nature for her to be pregnant, would take the initiative to find a wife still capable of reproduction for the husband. She considered the husband having sex with her as wasting of his sperm which could have been used to procreate. The menopause-wife becomes mother of the house (the Yoruba called her ÌYÁLÉ). She decided on most of the domestic affairs in the house and participated actively in the nursing of the children of the junior wife. There were no laws compelling men to marry more than one wife and women not to marry more than one husband. Oluwatoyin's question arose out of his exposure to western influence that propagates sexual intercourse as a leisure hour engagements for men. Polygamy in its original form was never oppressive or dominating or for man's pleasurable enjoyment. Rather, it was a device by which all females of reproductive age were enhanced to be a mother in those days when children were reared as insurance towards old age. And where one had the misfortune of being barren, at old age, children of sisters and brothers would serve as the old age insurance.
When Christianity entered Europe, the Church forced the idea of man and wife as a family pattern on the society which until then was non-existing. Prior to that, sexual relation between a man and a woman was based on the superior strength of a man to conquer a woman. Where there was a competition between two men over a woman, men challenged one another to a duell at which the one that killed the other would have sex with the woman concerned. Pregnancy resulting out men's sexual intercourse was the entire problem of the woman in the pre-Christian Europe. In England, men considered their lives marred by the Church that imposed the institution of marriage on them. In many European countries the word, marry, is synonymous with poison and in England the word, marry was derived from the word, mar. In the Tudor Dynasty of England, King Henry VIII applied to the Roman Catholic Church in Rome for divorce with his wife, Queen Catherine of Aragon, because she was unable to produce a male child, the crown prince. When the Church rejected his request he severed relation with the Catholic Church to create the Church of England. Before the marriage was finally dissolved by the new Church of England headed by King Henry himself, it was revealed that the King infected Queen Catherine of Aragon with syphilis, resulting in their only daughter, Princess Mary, being born blind. King Henry the VIII married six times with different women and supported himself with chains of concubines around the corners of England. In Elizabethan England, the government of Harold Macmillan was forced to resign in 1964 after sex scandals involving the then Defence Minister, John Profumo and Lord Astor. While Profumo was a regular customer to the 18 year old prostitute, Christine Keeler, Lord Astor derived sexual joy from being whipped at bare bottom by the 16 year old prostitute, Mandy Rice-Davies. Then in 1973, England's deputy Minister of Defence, Lord Lambton was photographed naked in bed with a high society prostitute, the 26 year old Norma Levy, who also had parallel sexual affairs with Lord Jellicoe. The two men resigned their appointments. In 1984, 55 year old Cecil Parkinson was expected to succeed Margaret Thatcher as Prime Minister of England. His Secretary, Sara Keay announced publicly that Parkinson, a married man, was the father of the baby she was expecting and that they have had continuous affairs in 12 years. Parkinson's immediate successor, Jeffrey Archer, was a married 47 year old man and a father of two children. His career came to abrupt end when it became a public knowledge that Mr. Archer had sexual affairs with a high society prostitute, Monica Coghan. In 1992, a married 43 year old David Mellor and Secretary of Heritage in John Major's government was publicly exposed to have engaged in abnormal sexual activity with a 30 year old model, Antonia de Sancha.
Crossing over the Atlantic, historical archives reveal that Nelson Aldrich Rockefeller was the Vice President of the United States who died at the age of 70 in 1979. He died at 13 West, 54th Street in New York, right in the middle of sexual intercourse with his Secretary, a 25 year old Megan Marshack. He was legally married and had many children and grand children. Until his romance with the 37 year old striptease dancer, called Fanne Fox, was publicly disclosed, Wilbur Mills was one of the most respected politician in the United States.The drunk 66 year old Wilbur was unlucky to have been stopped by the Police late in the night in Boston for over-speeding. Fox, who feared being detected and identified where she was hiding at the back seat panicked, ran out of the car and jumped into Charles' River. A while after the drama at Charles' River
Fanne Fox committed abortion having been made pregnant by Wilbur Mills whose political career ended at once. In New York, the American billionaire, Henry Mudd kept six wives simultaneously in six different apartments for the period of 20 years. He attended to each wife constantly in a specific day of the week except Sundays. Mr. Mudd was 57 years old when he divorced his second wife. He had four children from his two divorced wives and nine grand children. When Henry Mudd died in 1992 at the age of 77, he recorded in his will not only the share of heritage to each wife, but also order of his weekly attendance to them in this manner : Mrs. Monday - Loraine, Mrs. Tuesday - Betty Sue Olend, Mrs. Wednesday - Paula Palmer, Mrs.Thursday - Eileen Cavanaugh, Mrs. Friday - Angie Dubel, and Mrs. Saturday - Vanessa Rossok. As we all know, Monica Lewinsky was not the only woman that had sexual taste of President Bil Clinton who was married to Hillary and they are, till date, still married. Oluwatoyin Adepoju, your western monogamy is nothing but serial monogamy better known as latent polygamy practised by Apostles of gender equality.
You wrote about Female Genital Mutilation in Africa, but failed to mention Male Genital Mutilation. Yet, you honestly know that both males and females are circumcised in Africa though not because of the reasons given by you. Europeans might not have been performing circumcision on their females but in their history, there were records of Chastity Gaddles where the two sides of the female labia were perforated and padlocked by European men who retained the key to ensure that other males did not have sexual access to their wives or fiancés.
He (Buhari) is ready to concede that interviewer's wife may work as well as look after home. He is emphatic, however, that his own wife has no place in politics... - Oluwatoyin.
Buhari has succeeded in fooling people like you by distracting attention from his wife's criticism of his appointment of his officials to discussion of his wife belonging to the kitchen. I am just reading that Aisha, the wife of President Buhari, who is supposed to belong to, or be restricted to the kitchen, has delivered today, 19 October 2016, a keynote address at African Women's Forum in Brussel, Belgium, on Women's Role In Global Security. You are a PDP fanatic and ironically, umbrella is the symbol of PDP. Now, you spread umbrella over your head at sun set without rain and you think that you are wise. It is amusing!!
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In Nigeria and most likely, Africa, such age diferences are managed in terms of expectations very diferent from that of the West, age in and of itself itself being a valued quality in Nigeria, while, to the best of my knowledge, it is not so in the West, aging beyond one's 20s in the West being understood more in terms of a reminder of the inevitablity of physical and mental decay and eventual forced depature from the world, while in Nigeria and most likely Africa, it is seen more in terms of the distillation of wisdom enabled by experience, a counterbalance to the inexperience of youth.
The West is driven by the understanding of innovation as the cornerstone of social progress. Innovation implies newness, moving beyond the past, and this ideal is associated more with the newness, the freedom from convention, associated with youth. Nigeria, on the other hand, is relatively conservative and might still be wedded to the perception of what has worked in the past as what should be sustained. My analysis could be too broad and might need to be more complex, but I wonder if the general picture is not thus adequately portrayed.
I see the world as moving ultimately towards being significantly multi-ethnic and multi-cultural.
"For now, though, it looks to me that it would be wise for men to stop importing women to marry from Africa and for African women to stop the practice of going abroad to getmarried.The cultures are so different that the pros and cons are significantly problematic.
Our people should stop importing women to marry and train.. That culture is relevant in Africa, not in the West.Our people should realise that women of other races are also good.
The people in Africa are in a very different world from those in the West. People in the West are better off with each other and those in Africa with each other. It is those women who have spent much of their lives in the West who might be better able to cope with the freedoms available there bcs its not new to them and so they might be better able to balance various sides of what is at stake. People should leave women in Africa alone and focus on the one's around you, from any culture. You can't keep living in your past. Once you cross the ocean, you have moved on. Leave all those ancestor lifestyles behind. They are not relevant for you anymore."
I disagreed with some of the underlying premises above. Freedom of movement should not be prohibited. This could lead to a form of continental or regional segregation.What should change in this case, is the attitude of the men in question, who simply saw their wives as investments. They sponsored the women to the US, with the hope of eventually reaping a fortune, once the women graduated from nursing. Naively enough, they expected that the nursing graduates would indefinitely hand over their entire pay packet to the investor- husband, far beyond what was spent on the nursing program. When the women failed to do so, they got mad- literally speaking. The women should have realized, as well, that the money spent on their schooling did not grow on trees, and that the sponsor - husbands had accumulated enormous debts. Compromise on the part of both parties would have averted the killing spree. The answer is sensitivity training for both partners.
I also felt that you underestimated the benefits that ancestral cultures contribute to the West, in particular, where hyper- individualism reigns supreme. The West is not only synonymous with freedom. It is also synonymous with deception and hypocrisy, for example, and it is a great idea for people from the ancestral homeland to come and see for themselves and learn directly from the experience. The multidirectional flow of people and ideas may not be a bad thing after all. So I did not agree with this particular posting.
On the other hand, I believe you have given us great insights on female equality, equity and sociological and religious issues related to gender, and have offered a commendable challenge to functionalist approaches, in the process.
Gloria
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Oluwatoyin Vincent Adepoju
In Nigeria and most likely, Africa, such age diferences are managed in terms of expectations very diferent from that of the West, age in and of itself itself being a valued quality in Nigeria, while, to the best of my knowledge, it is not so in the West, aging beyond one's 20s in the West being understood more in terms of a reminder of the inevitablity of physical and mental decay and eventual forced depature from the world, while in Nigeria and most likely Africa, it is seen more in terms of the distillation of wisdom enabled by experience, a counterbalance to the inexperience of youth.
The West is driven by the understanding of innovation as the cornerstone of social progress. Innovation implies newness, moving beyond the past, and this ideal is associated more with the newness, the freedom from convention, associated with youth. Nigeria, on the other hand, is relatively conservative and might still be wedded to the perception of what has worked in the past as what should be sustained. My analysis could be too broad and might need to be more complex, but I wonder if the general picture is not thus adequately portrayed.
I see the world as moving ultimately towards being significantly multi-ethnic and multi-cultural.
"For now, though, it looks to me that it would be wise for men to stop importing women to marry from Africa and for African women to stop the practice of going abroad to getmarried.The cultures are so different that the pros and cons are significantly problematic.
Our people should stop importing women to marry and train.. That culture is relevant in Africa, not in the West.Our people should realise that women of other races are also good.
The people in Africa are in a very different world from those in the West. People in the West are better off with each other and those in Africa with each other. It is those women who have spent much of their lives in the West who might be better able to cope with the freedoms available there bcs its not new to them and so they might be better able to balance various sides of what is at stake. People should leave women in Africa alone and focus on the one's around you, from any culture. You can't keep living in your past. Once you cross the ocean, you have moved on. Leave all those ancestor lifestyles behind. They are not relevant for you anymore."
I disagreed with some of the underlying premises above. Freedom of movement should not be prohibited. This could lead to a form of continental or regional segregation.What should change in this case, is the attitude of the men in question, who simply saw their wives as investments. They sponsored the women to the US, with the hope of eventually reaping a fortune, once the women graduated from nursing. Naively enough, they expected that the nursing graduates would indefinitely hand over their entire pay packet to the investor- husband, far beyond what was spent on the nursing program. When the women failed to do so, they got mad- literally speaking. The women should have realized, as well, that the money spent on their schooling did not grow on trees, and that the sponsor - husbands had accumulated enormous debts. Compromise on the part of both parties would have averted the killing spree. The answer is sensitivity training for both partners.
I also felt that you underestimated the benefits that ancestral cultures contribute to the West, in particular, where hyper- individualism reigns supreme. The West is not only synonymous with freedom. It is also synonymous with deception and hypocrisy, for example, and it is a great idea for people from the ancestral homeland to come and see for themselves and learn directly from the experience. The multidirectional flow of people and ideas may not be a bad thing after all. So I did not agree with this particular posting.
On the other hand, I believe you have given us great insights on female equality, equity and sociological and religious issues related to gender, and have offered a commendable challenge to functionalist approaches, in the process.
Gloria
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The global research data indicates that more men are born than women. Women in various societies also face serious life threatening challenges men do not face in those systems, these factors creating an imbalance in many populations - Oluwatoyin Vincent Adepoju.
I say global research data my foot because the data is not supported by any physical fact. When bubonic plague struck Europe in the 1300's, 33% or one-third of the European population perished, which led to surplus of women in relation to men. Barely two centuries later and onwards, surviving European men had access to many women who were sexually turned into baby factories, that accelerated, not only into population recovery but, into overpopulation. The gigantic European overpopulations were exported to settle in Australia, New Zealand, North and South America where the aborigins were annihilated to almost extinction in various wars of conquest. Faced with population decimation after the World War II that consumed mostly Russian men, and which resulted in surplus women, the Russian state permitted men to divorce their pregnant wives and allowed serial monogamy for the purpose of speeding up population increase. The Russian State supported divorced wives economically during pregnancy and after the birth of children as single mothers. Most European countries adopted and refined the method of Russian population growth by recognising single mothers who were supported with state financed children allowances. Where the labour market generates serious unemployment affecting both males and female, either proportionally or disproportionally, men turn to crimes for survival while women turn to prostitution. Globally, 99% of prostitutes are women who hire out their private parts to tenants who are hundred per cent men and of whom many are married. The 1% male prostitutes, especially in the Western world, hire themselves to Sodomites. Even in Nigeria where, traditionally and culturally, a man can marry to many women, there are female prostitutes who hire out their private part to male tenants, an indication that there are more women than men.
Let us for the sake of convenience agree that there are societies where polyandry was practised, because of disproportion in the birth of more boys than girls, children arising from such family patern could not biologically or physiologically be said to have multiple fathers. A child's offspring or paternity can only belong genetically to a man. It is pseudo science to claim that a child has multiple fathers or more than one man can partake in the conception of a child. However, in polyandrous family set up, the real father of a child would never be the central issue because the main focus in sexual communism, polyandry, is to guarantee every available man sexual intercourse with a woman because of disproportionate large number of men than women. In a polygyny or monogamous marriage, the purpose of sexual intercourse is to procreate and not just for the sexual lust of the partners. Thus, who is the real father of a child is a central issue in polygyny and monogamous marriages.
Vincent amused us with the fables of Female Husbands and Male daughters in Igboland. He then asserted, "Various societies have developed different forms of gender constructions and gender relations." If Vincent's postulations about Female Husbands and Male Daughters are accepted, then there should be Male Wives and Female Sons. Would the change of epithets affect the biological and physiological features and functions of man- and womankind to the effect that a female husband will be able to sexually penetrate a male wife? Are we now to accept that the sexual organ is no longer a major determinant of who is a female and who is a male? Due to accidents, some at birth some people are born deformed or born with serious defects but deformity and defects should not be conflated with normality. Who is a male or female is not a social construction but an established science based on biology, physiology and anatomy.
Vincent clamoured that power in Africa is screwed in favour of men who are empowered to marry more than a wife while women cannot marry more than a husband. The fact is that purpose of marriage in Africa is to procreate. Since a woman can only procreate with a man at a period, she is naturally limited by nature not to marry with more than a husband at a fertile period. And unless there is a sperm's defect, a man can procreate at anytime with any woman in her fertile period which varies from woman to woman. The ability of a man to procreate with as many women at their fertile period, as he desires, has nothing to do with empowerment or power sharing. A man cannot be pregnant but a woman can be and there is no way a man can share the power of carrying a baby in the womb with a woman on four-and-a-half months basis each. Oluwatoyin would want men to menstruate and be pregnant in the name of gender equality and empowerment but nature has no room for such artificial gender equality. Each gender has been empowered differently by nature and the two genders are actually interdependent.
Since Toyin's baptismal name is Vincent he should care to read his Bible, where he will discover that polygyny (polygamy) is not peculiar to Africa. Exodus 21: 10 states that multiple marriages are not to diminish the status of the first wife; while Deuteronomy 21 : 15-17 states that a man must award the inheritance due to a first-born-son even if he hates that son's mother and likes another wife more; although Deuteronomy 17: 17 states that the King shall not have too many wives, Solomon in his wisdom according to 1 King 11 : 3 had seven hundred wives and three hundred concubines. In Isaiah 4:1 we Christians are told, "And in that day, seven women shall take hold of one man, saying, We will eat our own bread, and wear our own apparel, only let us be called by thy name, to take away our reproach." If the Christian Western World are no longer oppressive against their females' gender because of their industrial and economic development, I hope that when we in Africa attain the same standard of economic development as Europe and America gender equality as it is presumed to work in their societies will be a by-product to our achievements.
Vincent had problem with my choice of word in referring to males who engage in sexual intercourse with fellow males as Sodomites. Surprisingly, the gender equality warrior did not object to my use of the word Tribade in referring to the lesbian. I reject your partial objection in its entirety.
I am not a politician as insinuated by you even though I am never neutral whenever discussions about the political and economic situations in Africa, and Nigeria in particular, are taking place. Buhari ate the meat and threw the bone at you because of his regard to you as a dog and acting as expected, you grabbed the bone, gnawing it with joy and barking. Buhari's lockar rum talk of his wife belonging to the kitchen is more important to you to discuss than the refusal of Buhari to address any of the criticisms levelled against his government by the wife. You are free to choose what to criticize in politics but you cannot force me to leave leprosy and chase ringworm with you. I have passed that stage, a long time ago, where officials in Nigeria are judged according to their ethno/religious origins and practices. Rather, I judge them on how competent and effective they are in discharging their duties to the Nigerian people. It is on this allegation of incompetent and ineffective officials which Aisha accused her husband of appointing that I demand that Buhari should comment upon or react to and not that lockar rum kitchen talk. However, if the image of Nigeria in the world had ever been dented, Buhari's lockar rum kitchen talk in Germany did not cause it because if the world had been told that Nigeria's Professors of electricity would produce mega watts of darkness for Nigerians and our petro-chemical engineers would become fuel importers while exporting our crude oil, the world would have said in the words of Esra to the king of Syria, "Are Nigerians pigs that they would allow all these to happen. This is my last submission on this subject.
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Oluwatoyin Vincent Adepoju
"Barely two centuries later and onwards, surviving European men had access to many women who were sexually turned into baby factories, that accelerated, not only into population recovery but, into overpopulation".
Does one need to ask if you aware of the risk relationship between single motherhood and economic challenges and between such challenges and children's future and by extension the future of society? One does not need to ask, because, you are clearly not aware as you imagine that single motherhood is encouraged in Europe through support for single mothers in the name of boosting population expansion.
It is a crime against oneself to cultivate non-information, to put it politely, as a virtue.
You were directed to information on various conceptualizations of fatherhood and their relationship to biology but you refused to take advantage of the information freely provided.
You insist on remaining within a narrow understanding of paternity that does not recognize the global scope of social interpretations of the related biological facts.
It is not good for a grown man to insist on putting food in his nose instead of his mouth, where it belongs. How can a person, in full public view and claiming to take himself seriously, dismiss evident scholarship? Truly, the opium of political fanaticism is as corrosive of cognitive functions as is the use of religion as opium described by Marx.
No wonder to you the politician's banishing of his wife, in the view of the whole world, to the kitchen and the bedroom, not to be seen or heard in public, is no more than a joke to be excused. If a person has no eyes, can the person see? If particular cognitive constructs are absent within a mental framework, will particular realities be perceived from that framework? No.
'The ability of a man to procreate with as many women at their fertile period, as he desires, has nothing to do with empowerment or power sharing'. Is this style of reasoning from the Cro-Magnon era or even before then? Was this kind of thinking of value at any point in human history? Is it not better applicable to animal mating habits and even among some animals only? How does one describe this decoupling of emotion and social construction from procreation in the spirit of a mechanical act?
The global research data indicates that more men are born than women. Women in various societies also face serious life threatening challenges men do not face in those systems, these factors creating an imbalance in many populations - Oluwatoyin Vincent Adepoju.
I say global research data my foot because the data is not supported by any physical fact. When bubonic plague struck Europe in the 1300's, 33% or one-third of the European population perished, which led to surplus of women in relation to men. Barely two centuries later and onwards, surviving European men had access to many women who were sexually turned into baby factories, that accelerated, not only into population recovery but, into overpopulation. The gigantic European overpopulations were exported to settle in Australia, New Zealand, North and South America where the aborigins were annihilated to almost extinction in various wars of conquest. Faced with population decimation after the World War II that consumed mostly Russian men, and which resulted in surplus women, the Russian state permitted men to divorce their pregnant wives and allowed serial monogamy for the purpose of speeding up population increase. The Russian State supported divorced wives economically during pregnancy and after the birth of children as single mothers. Most European countries adopted and refined the method of Russian population growth by recognising single mothers who were supported with state financed children allowances. Where the labour market generates serious unemployment affecting both males and female, either proportionally or disproportionally, men turn to crimes for survival while women turn to prostitution. Globally, 99% of prostitutes are women who hire out their private parts to tenants who are hundred per cent men and of whom many are married. The 1% male prostitutes, especially in the Western world, hire themselves to Sodomites. Even in Nigeria where, traditionally and culturally, a man can marry to many women, there are female prostitutes who hire out their private part to male tenants, an indication that there are more women than men.
Let us for the sake of convenience agree that there are societies where polyandry was practised, because of disproportion in the birth of more boys than girls, children arising from such family patern could not biologically or physiologically be said to have multiple fathers. A child's offspring or paternity can only belong genetically to a man. It is pseudo science to claim that a child has multiple fathers or more than one man can partake in the conception of a child. However, in polyandrous family set up, the real father of a child would never be the central issue because the main focus in sexual communism, polyandry, is to guarantee every available man sexual intercourse with a woman because of disproportionate large number of men than women. In a polygyny or monogamous marriage, the purpose of sexual intercourse is to procreate and not just for the sexual lust of the partners. Thus, who is the real father of a child is a central issue in polygyny and monogamous marriages.
Vincent amused us with the fables of Female Husbands and Male daughters in Igboland. He then asserted, "Various societies have developed different forms of gender constructions and gender relations." If Vincent's postulations about Female Husbands and Male Daughters are accepted, then there should be Male Wives and Female Sons. Would the change of epithets affect the biological and physiological features and functions of man- and womankind to the effect that a female husband will be able to sexually penetrate a male wife? Are we now to accept that the sexual organ is no longer a major determinant of who is a female and who is a male? Due to accidents, some at birth some people are born deformed or born with serious defects but deformity and defects should not be conflated with normality. Who is a male or female is not a social construction but an established science based on biology, physiology and anatomy.
Vincent clamoured that power in Africa is screwed in favour of men who are empowered to marry more than a wife while women cannot marry more than a husband. The fact is that purpose of marriage in Africa is to procreate. Since a woman can only procreate with a man at a period, she is naturally limited by nature not to marry with more than a husband at a fertile period. And unless there is a sperm's defect, a man can procreate at anytime with any woman in her fertile period which varies from woman to woman. The ability of a man to procreate with as many women at their fertile period, as he desires, has nothing to do with empowerment or power sharing. A man cannot be pregnant but a woman can be and there is no way a man can share the power of carrying a baby in the womb with a woman on four-and-a-half months basis each. Oluwatoyin would want men to menstruate and be pregnant in the name of gender equality and empowerment but nature has no room for such artificial gender equality. Each gender has been empowered differently by nature and the two genders are actually interdependent.
Since Toyin's baptismal name is Vincent he should care to read his Bible, where he will discover that polygyny (polygamy) is not peculiar to Africa. Exodus 21: 10 states that multiple marriages are not to diminish the status of the first wife; while Deuteronomy 21 : 15-17 states that a man must award the inheritance due to a first-born-son even if he hates that son's mother and likes another wife more; although Deuteronomy 17: 17 states that the King shall not have too many wives, Solomon in his wisdom according to 1 King 11 : 3 had seven hundred wives and three hundred concubines. In Isaiah 4:1 we Christians are told, "And in that day, seven women shall take hold of one man, saying, We will eat our own bread, and wear our own apparel, only let us be called by thy name, to take away our reproach." If the Christian Western World are no longer oppressive against their females' gender because of their industrial and economic development, I hope that when we in Africa attain the same standard of economic development as Europe and America gender equality as it is presumed to work in their societies will be a by-product to our achievements.
Vincent had problem with my choice of word in referring to males who engage in sexual intercourse with fellow males as Sodomites. Surprisingly, the gender equality warrior did not object to my use of the word Tribade in referring to the lesbian. I reject your partial objection in its entirety.
I am not a politician as insinuated by you even though I am never neutral whenever discussions about the political and economic situations in Africa, and Nigeria in particular, are taking place. Buhari ate the meat and threw the bone at you because of his regard to you as a dog and acting as expected, you grabbed the bone, gnawing it with joy and barking. Buhari's lockar rum talk of his wife belonging to the kitchen is more important to you to discuss than the refusal of Buhari to address any of the criticisms levelled against his government by the wife. You are free to choose what to criticize in politics but you cannot force me to leave leprosy and chase ringworm with you. I have passed that stage, a long time ago, where officials in Nigeria are judged according to their ethno/religious origins and practices. Rather, I judge them on how competent and effective they are in discharging their duties to the Nigerian people. It is on this allegation of incompetent and ineffective officials which Aisha accused her husband of appointing that I demand that Buhari should comment upon or react to and not that lockar rum kitchen talk. However, if the image of Nigeria in the world had ever been dented, Buhari's lockar rum kitchen talk in Germany did not cause it because if the world had been told that Nigeria's Professors of electricity would produce mega watts of darkness for Nigerians and our petro-chemical engineers would become fuel importers while exporting our crude oil, the world would have said in the words of Esra to the king of Syria, "Are Nigerians pigs that they would allow all these to happen. This is my last submission on this subject.
S. Kadiri
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I have limited my definition of polygamy to the belief of Oluwatoyin Adepoju that there are laws granting men rights to marry more than one wife in Africa but not for women to marry more than one husband, which he termed Gender Inequality (Oppression). While polyandry is unknown in Nigeria, polygyny is well established. Polyandry, a process where a female animal in the forest mates with many male animals of the same type, may not easily be applicable to human beings, whose sense of moral, demand that a child born by a woman must have a specific father. In Yoruba, if the birth of a child by a woman cannot be attached or associated with a specific man (husband), such a child is referred to as OMÓ AJÁ (because a female dog used to mate with many male dogs) or OMÓ ÀLÈ meaning a bastard. Animals in the forest do not practise only polyandry but, also incest which morally is forbidden in law in most human societies. A human society in which polyandry is a norm risks self-extinction. Naturally, only women can be pregnant and in a human society where a woman can marry to more than one man, a polyandry's child would have, at least, two fathers. In most societies, men are demographical less in number than women. Consequently, there would be surplus of women with no man to pair with in polyandrous relation. And as more girls are born in polyandrous families than boys, eventual extinction of the society would be imminent. As long as procreation is the ultimate intention of mating, if more boys are produced than girls in polyandrous families, a woman will have access to many men simultaneously but she can only give birth to a child and, at best, give birth to triplets or twins, which will eventually lead to decimation of the population and total extinction of the society. I am not aware of any country in Africa where polyandry is practised but polygyny, your preferred name for polygamy, is very common. But family paterns are changing rapidly especially in Europe and America in what is called same sex marriages. While associations of tribades in Europe and America are demanding that men should be compelled to deposit their sperms at fertility clinics, male sodomites also demand that their rights to adopt children be legitimatized.
How did we arrive at discussing polygamy, polyandry and polygyny just because Aisha Buhari, the wife of the President of Nigeria granted an interview to BBC? It is because discussants fell flatly for the diversionary tactic of Buhari, who instead of answering the question from the journalist about what he thought of the criticism his wife expressed on the competence and effectiveness of his appointed officials, began to talk about his wife belonging to the kitchen. In the BBC interview, Aisha Buhari did not talk about preparing TUWO, SUYA or KULINKULI for her husband as meal. She said in a plain language that her husband's government has been hijacked by people who are alien to the political ideology of the APC and that many of Buhari's appointed officials did not vote for him because they did not have voters' card. She expressed fear that the 15 million people that voted for Buhari might revolt against her husband if he does not change course. Finally, she threatened not to go out and campaign for votes for the husband if he decided to contest in 2019 if his present administration persists. Journalists and discussants should have insisted on Buhari responding to his wife's criticism of his officials and not succumb to his kitchen gaffe and locker room joke, in front of the German Chancellor, Angela Merkel, and the German Defence Minister, Ursula Gertrud von der Leyen, both of them women. Instead of Angela Merkel and Ursula Gertrud von der Leyen, Buhari ought to have demanded to talk with their husbands or shift their meeting to their husbands kitchen where, according to Buhari, they belong. For me, it is unpleasant to view a kitchen as a place of punishment when no one wishes to starve to death. Don't we all eat?
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Please note that polygamy encompasses two concepts; namely: polygyny and polyandry. Polygyny equals one man and more than one wife (two or more wives). Polyandry equals one woman and more than one husband (two or more husbands). You have to investigate the societies in which these marriage types occur rather than stating that the latter never happens
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Polygamous societies, which most classical African societies were, where men could marry more than one wife, but women could not marry more than one husband, are not demonstrations of gender equality. What Salimonu is mistaking for gender equality is better described as division of labour, no more - Oluwatoyin Adepoju; Who made the laws dictating that men may marry more than one wife but women cannot? - Oluwatoyin Adepoju.
To begin with, my example of men climbing the palm-tree to harvest palm nuts and the ability of women to extract palm oil from the palm fruits clearly indicated that the labour of men was not valued higher than that of women since the labour of the palm tree climber would have been in vain but for the efforts of women which made the extraction of oil and other useful derivatives possible.
For reasons best known to Oluwatoyin, he brought in the practice of polygamy in Africa to typify gender inequality there. Traditions and cultures are functions of social and economic developments. The misfortune of Africans is that slavery stopped our socio-economic development so that we are prevented from transforming to something else and remnants of our archaic dictum and praxis have been bastardised from their original forms. Historically, our African ancestors believed that the purpose of sexual intercourse between a man and a woman was to procreate and not for pleasure. That was why a husband would abstain from sex with a wife nursing a child for three years. Since numbers of females, demographically were more than males, women in particular chose to share a man with another women so as not to be excluded from the chance of becoming a mother or to procreate. It is remarkable that where a man was married to a single woman and the wife had attained menopause, the wife in recognition of the limit of nature for her to be pregnant, would take the initiative to find a wife still capable of reproduction for the husband. She considered the husband having sex with her as wasting of his sperm which could have been used to procreate. The menopause-wife becomes mother of the house (the Yoruba called her ÌYÁLÉ). She decided on most of the domestic affairs in the house and participated actively in the nursing of the children of the junior wife. There were no laws compelling men to marry more than one wife and women not to marry more than one husband. Oluwatoyin's question arose out of his exposure to western influence that propagates sexual intercourse as a leisure hour engagements for men. Polygamy in its original form was never oppressive or dominating or for man's pleasurable enjoyment. Rather, it was a device by which all females of reproductive age were enhanced to be a mother in those days when children were reared as insurance towards old age. And where one had the misfortune of being barren, at old age, children of sisters and brothers would serve as the old age insurance.
When Christianity entered Europe, the Church forced the idea of man and wife as a family pattern on the society which until then was non-existing. Prior to that, sexual relation between a man and a woman was based on the superior strength of a man to conquer a woman. Where there was a competition between two men over a woman, men challenged one another to a duell at which the one that killed the other would have sex with the woman concerned. Pregnancy resulting out men's sexual intercourse was the entire problem of the woman in the pre-Christian Europe. In England, men considered their lives marred by the Church that imposed the institution of marriage on them. In many European countries the word, marry, is synonymous with poison and in England the word, marry was derived from the word, mar. In the Tudor Dynasty of England, King Henry VIII applied to the Roman Catholic Church in Rome for divorce with his wife, Queen Catherine of Aragon, because she was unable to produce a male child, the crown prince. When the Church rejected his request he severed relation with the Catholic Church to create the Church of England. Before the marriage was finally dissolved by the new Church of England headed by King Henry himself, it was revealed that the King infected Queen Catherine of Aragon with syphilis, resulting in their only daughter, Princess Mary, being born blind. King Henry the VIII married six times with different women and supported himself with chains of concubines around the corners of England. In Elizabethan England, the government of Harold Macmillan was forced to resign in 1964 after sex scandals involving the then Defence Minister, John Profumo and Lord Astor. While Profumo was a regular customer to the 18 year old prostitute, Christine Keeler, Lord Astor derived sexual joy from being whipped at bare bottom by the 16 year old prostitute, Mandy Rice-Davies. Then in 1973, England's deputy Minister of Defence, Lord Lambton was photographed naked in bed with a high society prostitute, the 26 year old Norma Levy, who also had parallel sexual affairs with Lord Jellicoe. The two men resigned their appointments. In 1984, 55 year old Cecil Parkinson was expected to succeed Margaret Thatcher as Prime Minister of England. His Secretary, Sara Keay announced publicly that Parkinson, a married man, was the father of the baby she was expecting and that they have had continuous affairs in 12 years. Parkinson's immediate successor, Jeffrey Archer, was a married 47 year old man and a father of two children. His career came to abrupt end when it became a public knowledge that Mr. Archer had sexual affairs with a high society prostitute, Monica Coghan. In 1992, a married 43 year old David Mellor and Secretary of Heritage in John Major's government was publicly exposed to have engaged in abnormal sexual activity with a 30 year old model, Antonia de Sancha.
Crossing over the Atlantic, historical archives reveal that Nelson Aldrich Rockefeller was the Vice President of the United States who died at the age of 70 in 1979. He died at 13 West, 54th Street in New York, right in the middle of sexual intercourse with his Secretary, a 25 year old Megan Marshack. He was legally married and had many children and grand children. Until his romance with the 37 year old striptease dancer, called Fanne Fox, was publicly disclosed, Wilbur Mills was one of the most respected politician in the United States.The drunk 66 year old Wilbur was unlucky to have been stopped by the Police late in the night in Boston for over-speeding. Fox, who feared being detected and identified where she was hiding at the back seat panicked, ran out of the car and jumped into Charles' River. A while after the drama at Charles' River
Fanne Fox committed abortion having been made pregnant by Wilbur Mills whose political career ended at once. In New York, the American billionaire, Henry Mudd kept six wives simultaneously in six different apartments for the period of 20 years. He attended to each wife constantly in a specific day of the week except Sundays. Mr. Mudd was 57 years old when he divorced his second wife. He had four children from his two divorced wives and nine grand children. When Henry Mudd died in 1992 at the age of 77, he recorded in his will not only the share of heritage to each wife, but also order of his weekly attendance to them in this manner : Mrs. Monday - Loraine, Mrs. Tuesday - Betty Sue Olend, Mrs. Wednesday - Paula Palmer, Mrs.Thursday - Eileen Cavanaugh, Mrs. Friday - Angie Dubel, and Mrs. Saturday - Vanessa Rossok. As we all know, Monica Lewinsky was not the only woman that had sexual taste of President Bil Clinton who was married to Hillary and they are, till date, still married. Oluwatoyin Adepoju, your western monogamy is nothing but serial monogamy better known as latent polygamy practised by Apostles of gender equality.
You wrote about Female Genital Mutilation in Africa, but failed to mention Male Genital Mutilation. Yet, you honestly know that both males and females are circumcised in Africa though not because of the reasons given by you. Europeans might not have been performing circumcision on their females but in their history, there were records of Chastity Gaddles where the two sides of the female labia were perforated and padlocked by European men who retained the key to ensure that other males did not have sexual access to their wives or fiancés.
He (Buhari) is ready to concede that interviewer's wife may work as well as look after home. He is emphatic, however, that his own wife has no place in politics... - Oluwatoyin.
Buhari has succeeded in fooling people like you by distracting attention from his wife's criticism of his appointment of his officials to discussion of his wife belonging to the kitchen. I am just reading that Aisha, the wife of President Buhari, who is supposed to belong to, or be restricted to the kitchen, has delivered today, 19 October 2016, a keynote address at African Women's Forum in Brussel, Belgium, on Women's Role In Global Security. You are a PDP fanatic and ironically, umbrella is the symbol of PDP. Now, you spread umbrella over your head at sun set without rain and you think that you are wise. It is amusing!!
S. Kadiri
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Thank you gloria
Kenneth Harrow
Dept of English and Film Studies
http://www.english.msu.edu/people/faculty/kenneth-harrow/
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I have limited my definition of polygamy to the belief of Oluwatoyin Adepoju that there are laws granting men rights to marry more than one wife in Africa but not for women to marry more than one husband, which he termed Gender Inequality (Oppression). While polyandry is unknown in Nigeria, polygyny is well established. Polyandry, a process where a female animal in the forest mates with many male animals of the same type, may not easily be applicable to human beings, whose sense of moral, demand that a child born by a woman must have a specific father. In Yoruba, if the birth of a child by a woman cannot be attached or associated with a specific man (husband), such a child is referred to as OMÓ AJÁ (because a female dog used to mate with many male dogs) or OMÓ ÀLÈ meaning a bastard. Animals in the forest do not practise only polyandry but, also incest which morally is forbidden in law in most human societies. A human society in which polyandry is a norm risks self-extinction. Naturally, only women can be pregnant and in a human society where a woman can marry to more than one man, a polyandry's child would have, at least, two fathers. In most societies, men are demographical less in number than women. Consequently, there would be surplus of women with no man to pair with in polyandrous relation. And as more girls are born in polyandrous families than boys, eventual extinction of the society would be imminent. As long as procreation is the ultimate intention of mating, if more boys are produced than girls in polyandrous families, a woman will have access to many men simultaneously but she can only give birth to a child and, at best, give birth to triplets or twins, which will eventually lead to decimation of the population and total extinction of the society. I am not aware of any country in Africa where polyandry is practised but polygyny, your preferred name for polygamy, is very common. But family paterns are changing rapidly especially in Europe and America in what is called same sex marriages. While associations of tribades in Europe and America are demanding that men should be compelled to deposit their sperms at fertility clinics, male sodomites also demand that their rights to adopt children be legitimatized.
How did we arrive at discussing polygamy, polyandry and polygyny just because Aisha Buhari, the wife of the President of Nigeria granted an interview to BBC? It is because discussants fell flatly for the diversionary tactic of Buhari, who instead of answering the question from the journalist about what he thought of the criticism his wife expressed on the competence and effectiveness of his appointed officials, began to talk about his wife belonging to the kitchen. In the BBC interview, Aisha Buhari did not talk about preparing TUWO, SUYA or KULINKULI for her husband as meal. She said in a plain language that her husband's government has been hijacked by people who are alien to the political ideology of the APC and that many of Buhari's appointed officials did not vote for him because they did not have voters' card. She expressed fear that the 15 million people that voted for Buhari might revolt against her husband if he does not change course. Finally, she threatened not to go out and campaign for votes for the husband if he decided to contest in 2019 if his present administration persists. Journalists and discussants should have insisted on Buhari responding to his wife's criticism of his officials and not succumb to his kitchen gaffe and locker room joke, in front of the German Chancellor, Angela Merkel, and the German Defence Minister, Ursula Gertrud von der Leyen, both of them women. Instead of Angela Merkel and Ursula Gertrud von der Leyen, Buhari ought to have demanded to talk with their husbands or shift their meeting to their husbands kitchen where, according to Buhari, they belong. For me, it is unpleasant to view a kitchen as a place of punishment when no one wishes to starve to death. Don't we all eat?
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Please note that polygamy encompasses two concepts; namely: polygyny and polyandry. Polygyny equals one man and more than one wife (two or more wives). Polyandry equals one woman and more than one husband (two or more husbands). You have to investigate the societies in which these marriage types occur rather than stating that the latter never happens
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Date: Wed, Oct 19, 2016 10:43 PM
Polygamous societies, which most classical African societies were, where men could marry more than one wife, but women could not marry more than one husband, are not demonstrations of gender equality. What Salimonu is mistaking for gender equality is better described as division of labour, no more - Oluwatoyin Adepoju; Who made the laws dictating that men may marry more than one wife but women cannot? - Oluwatoyin Adepoju.
To begin with, my example of men climbing the palm-tree to harvest palm nuts and the ability of women to extract palm oil from the palm fruits clearly indicated that the labour of men was not valued higher than that of women since the labour of the palm tree climber would have been in vain but for the efforts of women which made the extraction of oil and other useful derivatives possible.
For reasons best known to Oluwatoyin, he brought in the practice of polygamy in Africa to typify gender inequality there. Traditions and cultures are functions of social and economic developments. The misfortune of Africans is that slavery stopped our socio-economic development so that we are prevented from transforming to something else and remnants of our archaic dictum and praxis have been bastardised from their original forms. Historically, our African ancestors believed that the purpose of sexual intercourse between a man and a woman was to procreate and not for pleasure. That was why a husband would abstain from sex with a wife nursing a child for three years. Since numbers of females, demographically were more than males, women in particular chose to share a man with another women so as not to be excluded from the chance of becoming a mother or to procreate. It is remarkable that where a man was married to a single woman and the wife had attained menopause, the wife in recognition of the limit of nature for her to be pregnant, would take the initiative to find a wife still capable of reproduction for the husband. She considered the husband having sex with her as wasting of his sperm which could have been used to procreate. The menopause-wife becomes mother of the house (the Yoruba called her ÌYÁLÉ). She decided on most of the domestic affairs in the house and participated actively in the nursing of the children of the junior wife. There were no laws compelling men to marry more than one wife and women not to marry more than one husband. Oluwatoyin's question arose out of his exposure to western influence that propagates sexual intercourse as a leisure hour engagements for men. Polygamy in its original form was never oppressive or dominating or for man's pleasurable enjoyment. Rather, it was a device by which all females of reproductive age were enhanced to be a mother in those days when children were reared as insurance towards old age. And where one had the misfortune of being barren, at old age, children of sisters and brothers would serve as the old age insurance.
When Christianity entered Europe, the Church forced the idea of man and wife as a family pattern on the society which until then was non-existing. Prior to that, sexual relation between a man and a woman was based on the superior strength of a man to conquer a woman. Where there was a competition between two men over a woman, men challenged one another to a duell at which the one that killed the other would have sex with the woman concerned. Pregnancy resulting out men's sexual intercourse was the entire problem of the woman in the pre-Christian Europe. In England, men considered their lives marred by the Church that imposed the institution of marriage on them. In many European countries the word, marry, is synonymous with poison and in England the word, marry was derived from the word, mar. In the Tudor Dynasty of England, King Henry VIII applied to the Roman Catholic Church in Rome for divorce with his wife, Queen Catherine of Aragon, because she was unable to produce a male child, the crown prince. When the Church rejected his request he severed relation with the Catholic Church to create the Church of England. Before the marriage was finally dissolved by the new Church of England headed by King Henry himself, it was revealed that the King infected Queen Catherine of Aragon with syphilis, resulting in their only daughter, Princess Mary, being born blind. King Henry the VIII married six times with different women and supported himself with chains of concubines around the corners of England. In Elizabethan England, the government of Harold Macmillan was forced to resign in 1964 after sex scandals involving the then Defence Minister, John Profumo and Lord Astor. While Profumo was a regular customer to the 18 year old prostitute, Christine Keeler, Lord Astor derived sexual joy from being whipped at bare bottom by the 16 year old prostitute, Mandy Rice-Davies. Then in 1973, England's deputy Minister of Defence, Lord Lambton was photographed naked in bed with a high society prostitute, the 26 year old Norma Levy, who also had parallel sexual affairs with Lord Jellicoe. The two men resigned their appointments. In 1984, 55 year old Cecil Parkinson was expected to succeed Margaret Thatcher as Prime Minister of England. His Secretary, Sara Keay announced publicly that Parkinson, a married man, was the father of the baby she was expecting and that they have had continuous affairs in 12 years. Parkinson's immediate successor, Jeffrey Archer, was a married 47 year old man and a father of two children. His career came to abrupt end when it became a public knowledge that Mr. Archer had sexual affairs with a high society prostitute, Monica Coghan. In 1992, a married 43 year old David Mellor and Secretary of Heritage in John Major's government was publicly exposed to have engaged in abnormal sexual activity with a 30 year old model, Antonia de Sancha.
Crossing over the Atlantic, historical archives reveal that Nelson Aldrich Rockefeller was the Vice President of the United States who died at the age of 70 in 1979. He died at 13 West, 54th Street in New York, right in the middle of sexual intercourse with his Secretary, a 25 year old Megan Marshack. He was legally married and had many children and grand children. Until his romance with the 37 year old striptease dancer, called Fanne Fox, was publicly disclosed, Wilbur Mills was one of the most respected politician in the United States.The drunk 66 year old Wilbur was unlucky to have been stopped by the Police late in the night in Boston for over-speeding. Fox, who feared being detected and identified where she was hiding at the back seat panicked, ran out of the car and jumped into Charles' River. A while after the drama at Charles' River
Fanne Fox committed abortion having been made pregnant by Wilbur Mills whose political career ended at once. In New York, the American billionaire, Henry Mudd kept six wives simultaneously in six different apartments for the period of 20 years. He attended to each wife constantly in a specific day of the week except Sundays. Mr. Mudd was 57 years old when he divorced his second wife. He had four children from his two divorced wives and nine grand children. When Henry Mudd died in 1992 at the age of 77, he recorded in his will not only the share of heritage to each wife, but also order of his weekly attendance to them in this manner : Mrs. Monday - Loraine, Mrs. Tuesday - Betty Sue Olend, Mrs. Wednesday - Paula Palmer, Mrs.Thursday - Eileen Cavanaugh, Mrs. Friday - Angie Dubel, and Mrs. Saturday - Vanessa Rossok. As we all know, Monica Lewinsky was not the only woman that had sexual taste of President Bil Clinton who was married to Hillary and they are, till date, still married. Oluwatoyin Adepoju, your western monogamy is nothing but serial monogamy better known as latent polygamy practised by Apostles of gender equality.
You wrote about Female Genital Mutilation in Africa, but failed to mention Male Genital Mutilation. Yet, you honestly know that both males and females are circumcised in Africa though not because of the reasons given by you. Europeans might not have been performing circumcision on their females but in their history, there were records of Chastity Gaddles where the two sides of the female labia were perforated and padlocked by European men who retained the key to ensure that other males did not have sexual access to their wives or fiancés.
He (Buhari) is ready to concede that interviewer's wife may work as well as look after home. He is emphatic, however, that his own wife has no place in politics... - Oluwatoyin.
Buhari has succeeded in fooling people like you by distracting attention from his wife's criticism of his appointment of his officials to discussion of his wife belonging to the kitchen. I am just reading that Aisha, the wife of President Buhari, who is supposed to belong to, or be restricted to the kitchen, has delivered today, 19 October 2016, a keynote address at African Women's Forum in Brussel, Belgium, on Women's Role In Global Security. You are a PDP fanatic and ironically, umbrella is the symbol of PDP. Now, you spread umbrella over your head at sun set without rain and you think that you are wise. It is amusing!!
S. Kadiri
Olayinka Agbetuyi
I have lived in the West for the best part of 3 decades and I can confirm that both Gloria and Toyin's analyses are in part true depending on which part of the West(the situations in Europe and the US arent exactly identical) and which part of US you live in as well as the situations and personality traits of the couples involved.
Salimonu Kadiri
Ibukunolu Alao Babajide,
I did not arrogate to myself the power to decide what you say, discuss and not to discuss. I must confess to you that I could not see any logical association between the question President Buhari was asked about what he thought on the criticism of the composition and qualities of members of his administration by his wife, Aisha, in a BBC interview and his reply that his wife belonged to his kitchen. We shouldn't forget that before the BBC interview was relayed, there were media speculations that some close friends of Buhari had tried, without success, to prevent the interview from being broadcast. Therefore, Buhari ought to have known that he was going to be asked about his reaction to what his wife said in the interview and ought to have prepared himself to answer any question pertaining to it since, as it seemed, he had advance knowledge of the contents of the interview. With his reply that his wife belonged to his kitchen, in the presence of a female head of government and a female defence minister in a foreign country, Buhari spat against the wind and the sputum landed on his face. My point then is while his attempt to demean his wife as only being fit as a kitchen subject is stupid and condemnable, we should never allow that to overshadow Aisha's expressed and open SOS to Nigerians about how the federal government headed by her husband has been hijacked by cabals lacking in ideological orientation with the APC. If you have read my piece with two eyes and open mind, you would have discovered that while I disapproved Buhari's kitchen gaffe, I also demanded that attention be paid to Aisha Buhari's SOS alarm to Nigerians. Otherwise we would fall into the trap of Buhari's diversionary tactics of discussing whether women should be restricted to the kitchen or not instead of discussing his leadership of APC government as disespoused by his wife. The best authority on Buhari's mental and socio-physical condition is Aisha, his wife.
S.Kadiri
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Ibukunolu. A. Babajide
I agree with you totally. Let us begin to plan the post Buhari Nigeria. The Aisha SOS is a late wake up call.
We must focus on the real issue and not allow the Buhari deflection to derail the real issue of how to grow Nigeria into a great country.
Cheers.
IBK
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