Re: Nigerian-Americans ask Senator Cruz to apologise for his offensive remark

[Mobolaji Aluko]

My People:

I write once again in support of this "Shut Down Ted Cruz" campaign being led by some Nigerians in the Diaspora.

I have learnt in activism that:

   - you cannot get all people to support your particular passion about a particular issue;

  - others too will have a passion that you may not have a passion for

  - you should not allow the lack of passion of others to deter your own.

So in this particular Cruz/Nigerians palaver:

  - those who wish to write and "shut-down" Cruz should come together and do so. [I remember during the Carol Moseley-Braun situation, there were many calls that "she is a Black woman...she is the only Black Woman in the Senate...why do we want to bring her down...." Blah, blah, blah...  But we pressed on, and won.....]

 - those like Osita Ebiem below who (for whatever reason) - or curmudgeons Steve Kueberuwa,  or two-side-mouth-talkers like Ken Asagwara, etcheram ad nauseium - want to write to Cruz to praise him for his dissing NIgerians in should go on.

No matter Cruz's popularity in Texas, I can assure you that we will make him SERIOUSLY uncomfortable if we keep at it,  since we will have MANY people come on our side for their own many various reasons.  My own reasons are Cruz's dissing Nigerians, his anti-Obama-ness, and his "shutting down" the country, not necessarily in that order! :-)

And there you have it.

Bolaji Aluko

PS:  I also remember that we got General Colin Powell to write to Nigerians apologizing when he made an untoward remark about Nigerians in an Atlantic Monthly interview.  I led his harassment then.    I have the original letter in my archive which I will publish some day, but which copy I made to our community then..

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From: Osita Ebiem <osita...@yahoo.com> 
Date: 10/24/2013 12:02 PM (GMT-05:00) 
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Subject: Re: [NIgerianWorldForum] Re: Nigerian-Americans ask Senator Cruz to apologise for his offensive remark 

Dear Senator,

I wish to express my support at this time of unwarranted attack on you for a statement you made in regards with some Nigerians. You are clearly right and should not back down and let lies and recklessness win over truth and the justification for objective criticisms. The statement credited to you was specific and directed at the Nigerian internet scammers and not a blanket statement as the misguided Nigerian critics are trying to make it sound. Unfortunately this is exactly what is wrong with Nigeria - most Nigerians live in lies and denial of realities. They jump on issues without taking time to understand the truth of the matter and invariably deflect the discussion to everything else except to those things that are connected with the issue. Interestingly, those that complain the most are those ones that know little or nothing about their so-called country. One of the so-called groups that are leading in the attack have come up with some figures of their so-called Nigerian PhDs. These Nigerians possess so many Phds and yet they are unable to read the right meaning to a very simple statement, isn't it something? They also have so many doctorate degrees and yet cannot fix anything, not even the smallest light bulb in their country. With all the college degrees they claim to possess but they have not the slightest sense of history about their Nigeria. Biafra happened forty six years ago and many of these merchants in senseless calumny cannot relate any comprehensible and articulated statement about it. To silence these protests, please Senator, challenge them to a debate about Biafra and why the division of that country is the answer to all the problems. Thanks for being realistic and truthful.

Best regards

Osita Ebiem

PS: I was born a Nigerian but since ceased from being one.

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On Thu, Oct 24, 2013 at 12:09 PM, Asagwara, Ken (EDU) <Ken.As...@gov.mb.ca> wrote:

Folks:

 

On this issue, while I argue not against those wanting calls made to Senator Ted Cruz’s constituency office to register their disapproval of his swipe at all Nigerians, I also share the views expressed by Stevek. If most of the 419 scams exposed are not associated with unscrupulous Nigerians, he will not have taken his pot-shot at Nigerians. An overwhelming evidence shows most 419 scam letters originate from Nigerians their points of mailing not minding. If a Nigerian hides in South Africa, India, England, France, Germany, USA, name it and sends out scam letters to wherever, he/she is still a Nigerian and it is the name and image of Nigerian that is being tarnished.

 

The righteous indignation being expressed by some of us, Nigerians, is unwarranted. And while you may want to feel righteously indignant, remind those fraudulent Nigerians you know who are involved in credit card and bank frauds, health care overbilling scams, vehicle/car stealing and shipment to Nigeria, life insurance frauds, etc., to remember that in their nefarious dealings to get rich over night, we all Nigerians, pay the price for their greed by having our collective image and reputation soiled. Hence, the Ted Cruzes of the Tea Party are likely to have their political fun at the expense of anyone that is identified as a Nigerian, including our sons and daughters born in the USA some of whom may not have yet visited Nigeria.

 

I believe that is what Stevek meant by, “we have become a nation of liars, obfuscators, prevaricators, fraudsters, and very little honor" because for any and every individual fraudulent and criminal act of Diaspora Nigerians and the widely known official acts of corruption by the Nigerian political and business leaders becomes like a camouflage that reflects on every Nigerian; wherever he/she is resident is of less importance. “The unexamined life is not worth living”, said Socrates and if it takes the Ted Cruzes of the USA Republican/Tea Party to drive it home for us Nigerians, so be it.

 

It is also noteworthy that while Nigerians in their ethnic cocoons can hardly agree on any national issue(s) except their common hate of the Igbo would come out puffing and huffing, swinging and cursing because Ted Cruz called out the ugly skeleton some individual Nigerians have stuffed in our collective closet. In case you do not know it, Ted Cruz said in public what other highly placed American politicians and business leaders would not mind saying but dare not for political correctness. Other than some Nigerians, have you read or heard from any American politician, Democrat or Republican calling him out on what he said? You go figure.

 

Cheers.

 

Mazi KC Prince Asagwara

 

 

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Subject: Re: [NIgerianWorldForum] Re: Nigerian-Americans ask Senator Cruz to apologise for his offensive remark

 

 

Stevek,
You got it all wrong. The Jews have fought and have practically won the battle with Christians over the crucifixion story. The Jews were collectively vilified for the crucifixion but the Church, Catholic and Protestant, has backed away from the collective guilt. One cannot see it in the catechism as before. If you lack the backbone to denounce evil, it is OK. Not every body has it. But I will not sit down and takea collective guilt that the likes of uninformed Senator Ted Cruz is trying to impose on me and my people.

You also miss the the other point he was making. Obama is an African that is why the unspoken words are to people who say "they are all the same." They are the people Mr. Cruz was speaking to. You may not hear that SteveK.

Individual Nigerians have supported and opposed Mr. Obama and health care. But Mr. Obama got most of his support from Americans, so why not say that American scam artists have been employed to work for Obama Care. This at least would be true. I am not aware of any Nigeria Obama has employed to work for him either in the health care, political arena or anywhere else. Why drag Nigeria into it. He was sending a different message than Mr. SteveK is hearing.

Benjamin Obiajulu Aduba 

 

 

 

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Sent: Thu, Oct 24, 2013 9:53 am
Subject: Re: [NIgerianWorldForum] Re: Nigerian-Americans ask Senator Cruz to apologise for his offensive remark

Know this. It is only a few people that were involved in killing Jesus Christ two thousand years ago but, today, all remember that the Jews (all Jews) killed Jesus Christ even if the plurality of Jews at that time were opposed to killing Jesus as it turned out with the wildfire growth of Christianity in Judea and Palestine shorthy aftter his crucifixion.

 

Friend,

 

Read what I have excerpted from what I wrote above.

 

That is the nature of perception.

 

It is this same factor why Sodom and Gomorhha couldn't be spared. It is for the same reason that the Greek, Diogenes of Sinope, grabbed a lamp and started looking for an honest man in ancient Greece.

 

It is strange that you are talking about me being  'blinded by their anti-self miss-education' or being 'uneducated' when, clearly, this discussion is above your head.

 

Do you work in the 419 field, by the way, Mr. Maxima1757?

 

 

As Africans, we have to learn to think or perish.

 

Stevek

Washington, DC, USA

A society of supine lambs breeds erect wolves. - Stevek

A wise man proportions his beliefs to the evidence - David Hume

 

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Sent: Thursday, October 24, 2013 9:01 AM
Subject: Re: [NIgerianWorldForum] Re: Nigerian-Americans ask Senator Cruz to apologise for his offensive remark

 

" we have become a nation of liars, obfuscators, prevaricators, fraudsters, and very little honor"

 

Who are the "we" he's talking about? Most Nigerians are not in that mold. It is people like him, who are blinded by their anti-self miss-education, who think ALL Nigerians are like him. He would rather vilify Nigerians than admit that he is uneducated.

 

The Nigerian leadership is filled with his kind.

 

It is not enough to vilify the criminal minded 419ers. It is important to celebrate the honest, hardworking and achieving Nigerians as examples of what works.

 

Those who have ears ...

 

O.E.

On Thursday, October 24, 2013 6:19 AM, Stevek <avatar...@yahoo.com> wrote:

 

"Benard Mardoff, Ken Lay, Jef Skilling, Frankel to name but few are not Nigerians." - Unknown

 

 

 

Friend, 

 

 

Neither are they the president of the country and his wife and a plurality of Americans.

 

Usually, I don't respond to comments like yours because they are not very thoughtful because they are marginally relevant to my comments. .

 

Know this. It is only a few people that were involved in killing Jesus Christ two thousand years ago but, today, all remember that the Jews (all Jews) killed Jesus Christ even if the plurality of Jews at that time were opposed to killing Jesus as it turned out with the wildfire growth of Christianity in Judea and Palestine shorthy aftter his crucifixion.

  

I hope you get that and the context of my 'unguraded opinion' - whatever that means in what passes for thinking for you.  

 

 

As Africans, we have to learn to think or perish.

 

Stevek

Washington, DC, USA

A society of supine lambs breeds erect wolves. - Stevek

A wise man proportions his beliefs to the evidence - David Hume

 

From: "fred....@gmail.com" <fred....@gmail.com>
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Sent: Thursday, October 24, 2013 6:39 AM
Subject: Re: [NIgerianWorldForum] Re: Nigerian-Americans ask Senator Cruz to apologise for his offensive remark

Man you are entitled to your cheap and unguarded opinion but remember that, Benard Mardoff, Ken Lay, Jef Skilling, Frankel to name but few are not Nigerians. They are Americans and top ten fraudsters of our generation. What happened to Enron was it Nigerian fault? Oh no. There is always the good, the bad and the ugly in every nation..Cruz cannot judge all Nigerians in such a manner,  we do have some hardworking and honest Nigerians for pete's sake. 

 

Sent from my BlackBerry 10 smartphone.

From: Stevek Sent: Thursday, October 24, 2013 6:16 AM To: Michael Adeniyi; OKONKWO...@googlegroups.com; edo-nat...@yahoogroups.com; NIgerianW...@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [NIgerianWorldForum] Re: Nigerian-Americans ask Senator Cruz to apologise for his offensive remark

 

Man, you are really full of shit. What has this man said, even if in jest, that us not the truth about us? What decent person anywhere in the world will respect a nation that consider lying as a way if life? Can you really say that the way Nigerians, in general, process information - with respect to its truth - is normal? Aren't you, particularly, a poster boy for that? Doesn't the very president of the country and his barely educated wife lie so outrageously that the world covers its face in embarrassment? Till date, Nigerians can't agree about who started the Biafra war even though those who are involved in this argument were eyewitnesses. Look at the list of those given national honors every year! Let's face it, we have become a nation of liars, obfuscators, prevaricators, fraudsters, and very little honor. Nigerians are the only people I know who live in an alternate universe when it cones to truth processing. Res ipso est (A thing is what it is). Stevek. Sent from Yahoo! Mail on Android

From: eRG <edorege...@yahoo.co.uk>; To: Michael Adeniyi <mgad...@aol.com>; OKONKWO...@googlegroups.com <OKONKWO...@googlegroups.com>; edo-nat...@yahoogroups.com <edo-nat...@yahoogroups.com>; NIgerianW...@yahoogroups.com <NIgerianW...@yahoogroups.com>; Subject: [NIgerianWorldForum] Re: Nigerian-Americans ask Senator Cruz to apologise for his offensive remark Sent: Thu, Oct 24, 2013 7:37:29 AM

Country People,   Ted Cruz has slam-dunked Nigeria's image on the global scene and many of us are angry. Why this misplaced outrage from Nigerians  in the first place? You've got to read newspapers such as The Nation, Punch, Leadership and others to get a clue of the self-inflicted pains of lies Nigerians suffer on a daily basis. Nobody hates Nigeria more than  Nigerian journalists from those tabloids.   My momma used to say that a piece of china-ware which you don't value and respect shall invariably ends up as a "shit-packer" by a stranger.   eRG "God gives, Man hoards and Satan steals" - eRG's Father On Thursday, 24 October 2013, 3:16, Michael Adeniyi <mgad...@aol.com> wrote: Did you call Senator Ted Cruz's office to protest his reckless statement and demand an apology?  Yes, I did. Call Senator Ted Cruz On (202) 224-5922 or (512) 916-5834 or (214)-599-8749 to tell him that Nigerians are hardworking, responsible, and progressive people.  Demand an apology from Senator Cruz.  Let him know his reckless statement is unacceptable.  Senator Ted Cruz: +1- 202-224-5922, 512-916-5834, 210-340-2885, 903-593-5130.  Web contact: http://www.cruz.senate.gov/contact.cfm -----Original Message----- From: Copier102 <Copi...@aol.com> Sent: Wed, Oct 23, 2013 9:41 pm Subject: [Naijaintellects] Nigerian-Americans ask Senator Cruz to apologise for his offensive remark NIGERIAN-AMERICANS TO TED CRUZ:  APOLOGIZE  CANANUSA.ORG -October 23, 2013 -   Members of the Christian Association of Nigerian-Americans, CANAN have reached out to Senator Ted Cruz of Texas to make a formal correction, retracting his distasteful, and disparaging remarks made about Nigerians on Monday in Houston.      According to Houston Chronicle while taking a political swipe at the computer problems of the Affordable Care Act, Senator Cruz was reported as saying "You may have noticed that all the Nigerian email scammers have become a lot less active lately… They all have been hired to run the Obamacare website."    Cruz has maligned all hardworking, decent and outstanding Nigerian-Americans who add value and bring goodwill to their different communities, especially in Texas, with the largest concentration of Nigerian-Americans in this country.    Although his office did confirm this, explaining that it was just a joke, CANAN finds it appalling that the good name and reputation of Nigerian-Americans is what the Senator can joke with whimsically. This is completely unacceptable.    CANAN does not intend at this point to delve into the very nature of global and international scammers, except to say this condemnable practice is not limited to any one country based on available information and research.    We consider it an insult that a Senator who should be representing the people of his state could turn against some of his very own constituents in what is clearly a reckless and offensive remark.   There is only one decent option open to Senator Cruz: an unconditional and full apology. While we will be restrained at this point in order to allow for a respectable response from him, CANAN appeals to its teeming members drawn from over 1000 local parishes in the United States, several professional and ethnic groups, to await further developments.   We want to assure our people, that we are not taking this kind of unmitigated insults lying down anymore.  We are respectable, law abiding and outstanding members of the American society. By an account of the Houston Chronicle, our people are the best educated of all groups in the land.    That Houston Chronicle report of May 20, 2008 was based on US government official census.    The census shows that while 8 percent of the white population in the US had master’s degree and 1% held doctorates, 17% of Nigerian-Americans hold a Master’s degree and 4% doctorates.   * 37% of Nigerians in America have first degree compared to 19% of our white American brothers! * Compared to the Asians, Nigerians are still tops in this country as education goes. 12% of Asian-Americans have Master’s and 3% doctorates! Compare that to 17% of Nigerian-Americans who hold Master’s degree and 4% doctorates. There is every reason for us to challenge some of this ignorant stereotypes and the time to start has come!       ...Signed by: Laolu Akande {Executive Director, CANAN},  Dr. Christy Ogbeide {Houston Chapter Coordinator} & Pastor Banjo Olaniyan {Houston Chapter Secretary}.   -- OkonkwoNetworks..........Building NIGERIA of our DREAM --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "OkonkwoNetworks" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to okonkwonetwor...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.

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[Mobolaji Aluko]

Ola:

Yes: Colin Powell, Carol Moseley-Braun, CNN - and the next should be Ted Cruz to eat crow.

No matter what the naysayers say, we must continue to defend our integrity as Nigerians, while disowning those among us within or without Nigeria who give the opportunity for others to diss others.  When 419 was at its highest, there were those who were bent on looking only at the victims as the greedy ones;  there were those of us who focused on OUR OWN people as being the greatest danger to our own integrity.

The point is that we can walk and chew at the same time - which is an artform that unfortunately many of our compatriots seem to be unable to do, for various reasons.

This argument is not one that need to be carried on for too long.  Those who must act one way must act the way they think best - and find kindred spirit to join in.  To expect EVERYONE to be on the same page on this one is the "alaninkanse" way - the person who wishes to do nothing.

And there you have it.

Bolaji Aluko

On Thu, Oct 24, 2013 at 2:00 PM, <olaka...@aol.com> wrote:

Bolaji Aluko

PS:  I also remember that we got General Colin Powell to write to Nigerians apologizing when he made an untoward remark about Nigerians in an Atlantic Monthly interview.  I led his harassment then.    I have the original letter in my archive which I will publish some day, but which copy I made to our community then..

We also succeeded in making CNN apologize and re-edit its documentary
"How to Rob a Bank" which stereoptyped all or mot Nigerians living and working
in Houston as Identity Thiefs.

Just iike in the current Ted Cruz case we also had naysayers--some Nigerians
who wrote to CNN in support of its description of Nigerians as Identity Thiefs.

Regardless, CNN saw it fit to apologize and re-edit its documentary.

If the devil himself were to appear on earth and diss Nigerians, there would be some
amongst us exemplified by the Steve ks and the Onigbindes--who would sign halleluyah
in support of Lucifer.

Bye,

Ola

[olaka...@aol.com]

Bolaji Aluko

PS:  I also remember that we got General Colin Powell to write to Nigerians apologizing when he made an untoward remark about Nigerians in an Atlantic Monthly interview.  I led his harassment then.    I have the original letter in my archive which I will publish some day, but which copy I made to our community then..

We also succeeded in making CNN apologize and re-edit its documentary
"How to Rob a Bank" which stereoptyped all or mot Nigerians living and working
in Houston as Identity Thiefs.

Just iike in the current Ted Cruz case we also had naysayers--some Nigerians
who wrote to CNN in support of its description of Nigerians as Identity Thiefs.

Regardless, CNN saw it fit to apologize and re-edit its documentary.

If the devil himself were to appear on earth and diss Nigerians, there would be some
amongst us exemplified by the Steve ks and the Onigbindes--who would sign halleluyah
in support of Lucifer.

Bye,

Ola

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[Mobolaji Aluko]

Ken Asagwara:

At your urging below, coupled with NIDO Chairman Gabe Okoye's request, we have started a petition, which I urge you to sign and move on:

QUOTE

Hi,

Senator Ted Cruz tied glitches pn the Obamacare website with email scamming, and then made a crude reference to Nigerians. We consider that a gratuitous insult.

That's why I created a petition to Senator Ted Cruz, Junior US Senator from Texas.

Will you sign this petition? Click here:

http://petitions.moveon.org/sign/nigerians-demand-apology?source=c.em.mt&r_by=9360069

Thanks!

UNQUOTE

Oya!  As you can see, many Nigerians, no matter what you, Kueberuwa or Osita Ebiem write or say, are prepared to defend their integrity, but don't begrudge your inability or lack of preparedness to do so:  you may have your secret other reasons - who knows?

And there you have it.

Bolaji Aluko

On Thu, Oct 24, 2013 at 2:36 PM, Asagwara, Ken (EDU) <Ken.As...@gov.mb.ca> wrote:

Bolaji Aluko:

 

I know you are used to protesting and carrying about placards for any and whatever cause that tickles your interest. So, please, start the lead in this "Shut Down Ted Cruz" campaign”. Who cares? Did I ask you and others that share your position to not protest? I respect your position; the intelligent thing for you to do is also, respect mine and that of the others. Our positions different from yours makes us not less patriotic Nigerians than you.

 

As I said in my follow-up comments on this issue, Ted Cruz did not say, every Nigerian is an internet email scammer. He has in mind a particular group and called them out, “the Nigerian email scammers”. You see, that I am against his anti-Obama stand and lead in shutting down the USA government will not blind me to the extant damages the Nigerian internet email scammers have done to our collective image as individual Nigerians and collectively. Hence, I believe his reference to it should give us something to ruminate over.

 

Bolaji Aluko, it is your God given right to express your disagreement with me or anyone else. But when you descended into rant like, “curmudgeons Steve Kueberuwa,  or two-side-mouth-talkers like Ken Asagwara”; you showed yourself as the little antagonistic man that you are. And I say to you, Bolaji Aluko, please grow up.

 

“And there you have it”, too.

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[olaka...@aol.com]

Ken:

I believe that your argument that Senator Ted cruz Jnr. merely identified a spefic group of Nigerians
and 'called them out" is not only flawed but it also does not meet the test of probity.

If Senator Cruz had merely asserted what we already know--which is  that some Nigerians (a few at most) engage in
fraudulent activities including engaging in e mail scams, he might be forgiven as he would have merely 
reaffirmed a known truth.

Unfortunately, Senator Cruz went further. He laid the blame and the burden for all the problems plaguing the online registration
process for ObamaCare squarely on the shoulders of these Nigerian e mail scammers who may or may not have ever worked
on this program.

 In essence Senator Cruz has not only accused a group of Nigerians of being fraud artists--he has also labeled
Nigerians in the programming and IT field of being so incompetent that their hiring by the Obama administration had brought down
that a major US social services program he opposes.

Notwithstanding that some of our compatriots engage in criminal behavior, one counterbalancing positive trait Nigerians
have in the USA, Canada and the rest of the world is our sense of duty, attention to detail at work and our uncommon brilliance--
which is due to our positive attitude towards educational attainment and work. It is this attitude that has catapaulted Nigerians in the USA
to a position in which they are recognized (according to the most recent census figures) as being the most highly educated identifiable group
 amongst all Americans ---including native born and immigrants alike and all races.
Native Indian, White, Asian, Hispanic and African-Americans.

Since some Nigerians like yourself are now telling us that we should keep quiet because Senator Cruz's statement is not a big deal--
considering he merely asserted the truth, I would like you to examine the full ramifications of Senator Cruz's statement vis a viz the
potential harm to the professional integrity of Nigerians.

You should also consider  the possibility that there might in fact be  be a few or many Nigerian IT professionals  who are actually working
on the implementation of ObamaCare or might be doing so through secondment from private consulting forms. Should these group of
Nigerian IT professional now bear the burden for the glitches, both major and minor in the implementation process because as alleged by
Senator Ted Cruz, they are not only fraudulent but also incompetent.

Please think this through!

Bye,

Ola
 

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[Anunoby, Ogugua]

The Senator seems to me to be  model opportunistic rabble-rouser. He is very given to roguish exaggerations and extravagant hyperbole. He is shameless besides. He was asked on the floor of the  senate about his health insurance arrangement. He did not answer. We know now that he has high quality health insurance protection through his wife but would want even the undeserving poor and the weak to go without.

He has my benefit of the doubt though. He should present any evidence he has to support what so far is the false claim he made about some Nigerians and Obamacare. He must know the truth. Like the extremist that he is however, he stands ready and willing  to cheap shots, and needlessly mislead by igniting and inflaming negative emotion and passion.  He seems always ready to take every and full advantage of the ignorance and faintness of thought of his admirers, ensuring that they continue to believe, think and vote against their interest. An honest politician does not make fraudulent misrepresentation to his electors.

The senator has been described by some as smart. I do not know that academic credentials are enough to earn an elected politician serving in challenging times that characterization. A politician’s worth is ultimately measured by their positive contribution to the improved wellbeing and welfare of a majority of their electors and fellow citizens, and also their country. I am still waiting for evidence that he can and will.

The Senator has deliberately disrespected hard working Nigerians in this country. He has destroyed some of their reputation. He will do more damage to more groups if he is not stopped. Then again, if the Senator was really reasonably aware of who he is rather than who he believes he is,  he would be a more thoughtful and less reckless politician. If he does not know his past, how could he know his future? He reminds me of Eunuch in Chinua Achebe’s Things fall Apart. Yes he does.  

 

oa   

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[kenneth harrow]

this is what i was trying to say, oa. he is indeed a rabble-rouser.
but what is the smartest strategy for combating this? sometimes taking seriously, and answering serious, a rabble-rouser gets him the exposure he really wants. a move-on petition will potentially serve his cause so now he can say, see what those scam-artist nigerians are doing, using the liberal move-on. etc.
i am raising this as a question of strategy, and would be interested in what folks think
ken

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[kenneth harrow]

dear ola
where did i ever say he was "calling out" a "specific group of Nigerians"?
here is what is said:
"cruz is a politician, running for supporters and their money, running for office--not running for any high ethical standards on whether to insult people or not. if he gains voters by annoying nigerians, he will do it. if we make a stink, that might actually work into his game plan. think about it: pc nigerians complaining about blunt politicians frank speech.... blah blah.
led him go one promulgating tea party xenophobias and he will continue to be a marginal candidate everywhere, except in his home state.
for some bizarre reason, texas seems to like him."

i think you misunderstood my post. when i said� he was using "frank speech" or was "blunt," i am saying what HE is saying about himself to his supporters, in order to play to their prejudices, to play to xenophobia. this is because it increases his donations, and wins tea party fanatics.
you want to answer political pandering with objective, straight speech, which is in fact irrelevant. he is playing a political game, and there is only one kind of speech he or his supporters understand. it is a discourse that functions to convince people based on their beliefs or prejudices, and has nothing to do with truth. he is using nigerians, in his speech, and it plays into his game to respond as if there were a legitimate truth to be debated. the more this becomes an issue, the more he wins.
i believe it is a political mistake to answer seriously a charge that is intended only to rally his supporters. you'd do better to call him a xenophobic bigot, and leave it at that. or better still, ignore him, and put the effort into supporting obamacare and its accomplishments.
ken



ken

On 10/25/13 10:51 AM, olaka...@aol.com wrote:

Ken:

I believe that your argument that Senator Ted cruz Jnr. merely identified a spefic group of Nigerians
and 'called them out" is not only flawed but it also does not meet the test of probity.

If Senator Cruz had merely asserted what we already know--which is� that some Nigerians (a few at most) engage in
fraudulent activities including engaging in e mail scams, he might be forgiven as he would have merely�

reaffirmed a known truth.

Unfortunately, Senator Cruz went further. He laid the blame and the burden for all the problems plaguing the online registration
process for ObamaCare squarely on the shoulders of these Nigerian e mail scammers who may or may not have ever worked
on this program.

�In essence Senator Cruz has not only accused a group of Nigerians of being fraud artists--he has also labeled

Nigerians in the programming and IT field of being so incompetent that their hiring by the Obama administration had brought down
that a major US social services program he opposes.

Notwithstanding that some of our compatriots engage in criminal behavior, one counterbalancing positive trait Nigerians
have in the USA, Canada and the rest of the world is our sense of duty, attention to detail at work and our uncommon brilliance--
which is due to our positive attitude towards educational attainment and work. It is this attitude that has catapaulted Nigerians in the USA
to a position in which they are recognized (according to the most recent census figures) as being the most highly educated identifiable group

�amongst all Americans ---including native born and immigrants alike and all races.

Native Indian, White, Asian, Hispanic and African-Americans.

Since some Nigerians like yourself are now telling us that we should keep quiet because Senator Cruz's statement is not a big deal--
considering he merely asserted the truth, I would like you to examine the full ramifications of Senator Cruz's statement vis a viz the
potential harm to the professional integrity of Nigerians.

You should also consider� the possibility that there might in fact be� be a few or many Nigerian IT professionals� who are actually working

on the implementation of ObamaCare or might be doing so through secondment from private consulting forms. Should these group of
Nigerian IT professional now bear the burden for the glitches, both major and minor in the implementation process because as alleged by
Senator Ted Cruz, they are not only fraudulent but also incompetent.

Please think this through!

Bye,

Ola

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Sent: Fri, Oct 25, 2013 3:41 am
Subject: [africanworldforum] Re: [NaijaPolitics] Re: Nigerian-Americans ask Senator Cruz to apologise for his offensive remark

Ken Asagwara:

At your urging below, coupled with NIDO Chairman Gabe Okoye's request, we have started a petition, which I urge you to sign and move on:

QUOTE

Hi,

Senator Ted Cruz tied glitches pn the Obamacare website with email scamming, and then made a crude reference to Nigerians. We consider that a gratuitous insult.

That's why I created a petition to Senator Ted Cruz, Junior US Senator from Texas.

Will you sign this petition? Click here:

http://petitions.moveon.org/sign/nigerians-demand-apology?source=c.em.mt&r_by=9360069

Thanks!

UNQUOTE

Oya! �As you can see, many Nigerians, no matter what you, Kueberuwa or Osita Ebiem write or say, are prepared to defend their integrity, but don't begrudge your inability or lack of preparedness to do so: �you may have your secret other reasons - who knows?

And there you have it.

Bolaji Aluko

On Thu, Oct 24, 2013 at 2:36 PM, Asagwara, Ken (EDU) <Ken.As...@gov.mb.ca> wrote:

Bolaji Aluko:

�

I know you are used to protesting and carrying about placards for any and whatever cause that tickles your interest. So, please, start the lead in this "Shut Down Ted Cruz" campaign�. Who cares? Did I ask you and others that share your position to not protest? I respect your position; the intelligent thing for you to do is also, respect mine and that of the others. Our positions different from yours makes us not less patriotic Nigerians than you.

�

As I said in my follow-up comments on this issue, Ted Cruz did not say, every Nigerian is an internet email scammer. He has in mind a particular group and called them out, �the Nigerian email scammers�. You see, that I am against his anti-Obama stand and lead in shutting down the USA government will not blind me to the extant damages the Nigerian internet email scammers have done to our collective image as individual Nigerians and collectively. Hence, I believe his reference to it should give us something to ruminate over.

�

Bolaji Aluko, it is your God given right to express your disagreement with me or anyone else. But when you descended into rant like, �curmudgeons Steve Kueberuwa, �or two-side-mouth-talkers like Ken Asagwara�; you showed yourself as the little antagonistic man that you are. And I say to you, Bolaji Aluko, please grow up.

�

�And there you have it�, too.

�

Mazi KC Prince Asagwara

�

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Subject: [NaijaPolitics] Re: Nigerian-Americans ask Senator Cruz to apologise for his offensive remark

�

My People:

�

I write once again in support of this "Shut Down Ted Cruz" campaign being led by some Nigerians in the Diaspora.

�

I have learnt in activism that:

�

� �- you cannot get all people to support your particular passion about a particular issue;

� - others too will have a passion that you may not have a passion for

� - you should not allow the lack of passion of others to deter your own.

�

So in this particular Cruz/Nigerians palaver:

�

� - those who wish to write and "shut-down" Cruz should come together and do so. [I remember during the Carol Moseley-Braun situation, there were many calls that "she is a Black woman...she is the only Black Woman in the Senate...why do we want to bring her down...." Blah, blah, blah... �But we pressed on, and won.....]

�

�- those like Osita Ebiem below who (for whatever reason) - or curmudgeons Steve Kueberuwa, �or two-side-mouth-talkers like Ken Asagwara, etcheram ad nauseium - want to write to Cruz to praise him for his dissing NIgerians in should go on.

�

No matter Cruz's popularity in Texas, I can assure you that we will make him SERIOUSLY uncomfortable if we keep at it, �since we will have MANY people come on our side for their own many various reasons. �My own reasons are Cruz's dissing Nigerians, his anti-Obama-ness, and his "shutting down" the country, not necessarily in that order! :-)

�

And there you have it.

�

�

Bolaji Aluko

�

PS: �I also remember that we got General Colin Powell to write to Nigerians apologizing when he made an untoward remark about Nigerians in an Atlantic Monthly interview. �I led his harassment then. � �I have the original letter in my archive which I will publish some day, but which copy I made to our community then..

�

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Date: 10/24/2013 12:02 PM (GMT-05:00)�
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Subject: Re: [NIgerianWorldForum] Re: Nigerian-Americans ask Senator Cruz to apologise for his offensive remark�

Dear Senator,

�

I wish to express my support at this time of unwarranted attack on you for a statement you made in regards with some Nigerians. You are clearly right and should not back down and let lies and recklessness win over truth and the justification for objective criticisms. The statement credited to you was specific and directed at the Nigerian internet scammers and not a blanket statement as the misguided Nigerian critics are trying to make it sound. Unfortunately this is exactly what is wrong with Nigeria - most Nigerians live in lies and denial of realities. They jump on issues without taking time to understand the truth of the matter and invariably deflect the discussion to everything else except to those things that are connected with the issue. Interestingly, those that complain the most are those ones that know little or nothing about their so-called country. One of the so-called groups that are leading in the attack have come up with some figures of their so-called Nigerian PhDs. These Nigerians possess so many Phds and yet they are unable to read the right meaning to a very simple statement, isn't it something? They also have so many doctorate degrees and yet cannot fix anything, not even the smallest light bulb in their country. With all the college degrees they claim to possess but they have not the slightest sense of history about their Nigeria. Biafra happened forty six years ago and many of these merchants in senseless calumny cannot relate any comprehensible and articulated statement about it. To silence these protests, please Senator, challenge them to a debate about Biafra and why the division of that country is the answer to all the problems. Thanks for being realistic and truthful.

�

Best regards

�

Osita Ebiem

�

PS: I was born a Nigerian but since ceased from being one.

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On Thu, Oct 24, 2013 at 12:09 PM, Asagwara, Ken (EDU) <Ken.As...@gov.mb.ca> wrote:

Folks:

�

On this issue, while I argue not against those wanting calls made to Senator Ted Cruz�s constituency office to register their disapproval of his swipe at all Nigerians, I also share the views expressed by Stevek. If most of the 419 scams exposed are not associated with unscrupulous Nigerians, he will not have taken his pot-shot at Nigerians. An overwhelming evidence shows most 419 scam letters originate from Nigerians their points of mailing not minding. If a Nigerian hides in South Africa, India, England, France, Germany, USA, name it and sends out scam letters to wherever, he/she is still a Nigerian and it is the name and image of Nigerian that is being tarnished.

�

The righteous indignation being expressed by some of us, Nigerians, is unwarranted. And while you may want to feel righteously indignant, remind those fraudulent Nigerians you know who are involved in credit card and bank frauds, health care overbilling scams, vehicle/car stealing and shipment to Nigeria, life insurance frauds, etc., to remember that in their nefarious dealings to get rich over night, we all Nigerians, pay the price for their greed by having our collective image and reputation soiled. Hence, the Ted Cruzes of the Tea Party are likely to have their political fun at the expense of anyone that is identified as a Nigerian, including our sons and daughters born in the USA some of whom may not have yet visited Nigeria.

�

I believe that is what Stevek meant by, �we have become a nation of liars, obfuscators, prevaricators, fraudsters, and very little honor" because for any and every individual fraudulent and criminal act of Diaspora Nigerians and the widely known official acts of corruption by the Nigerian political and business leaders becomes like a camouflage that reflects on every Nigerian; wherever he/she is resident is of less importance. �The unexamined life is not worth living�, said Socrates and if it takes the Ted Cruzes of the USA Republican/Tea Party to drive it home for us Nigerians, so be it.

�

It is also noteworthy that while Nigerians in their ethnic cocoons can hardly agree on any national issue(s) except their common hate of the Igbo would come out puffing and huffing, swinging and cursing because Ted Cruz called out the ugly skeleton some individual Nigerians have stuffed in our collective closet. In case you do not know it, Ted Cruz said in public what other highly placed American politicians and business leaders would not mind saying but dare not for political correctness. Other than some Nigerians, have you read or heard from any American politician, Democrat or Republican calling him out on what he said? You go figure.

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Cheers.

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Mazi KC Prince Asagwara

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�

�

Stevek,
You got it all wrong. The Jews have fought and have practically won the battle with Christians over the crucifixion story. The Jews were collectively vilified for the crucifixion but the Church, Catholic and Protestant, has backed away from the collective guilt. One cannot see it in the catechism as before. If you lack the backbone to denounce evil, it is OK. Not every body has it. But I will not sit down and takea collective guilt that the likes of uninformed Senator Ted Cruz is trying to impose on me and my people.

You also miss the the other point he was making. Obama is an African that is why the unspoken words are to people who say "they are all the same." They are the people Mr. Cruz was speaking to. You may not hear that SteveK.

Individual Nigerians have supported and opposed Mr. Obama and health care. But Mr. Obama got most of his support from Americans, so why not say that American scam artists have been employed to work for Obama Care. This at least would be true. I am not aware of any Nigeria Obama has employed to work for him either in the health care, political arena or anywhere else. Why drag Nigeria into it. He was sending a different message than Mr. SteveK is hearing.

Benjamin Obiajulu Aduba�

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�

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Know this. It is only a few people that were involved in killing Jesus Christ two thousand years ago but, today, all remember that the Jews (all Jews) killed Jesus Christ even if the plurality of Jews at that time were opposed to killing Jesus as it turned out with the wildfire growth of Christianity in Judea and Palestine shorthy aftter his crucifixion.

�

Friend,

�

Read what I have excerpted from what I wrote above.

�

That is the nature of perception.

�

It is this same factor why Sodom and Gomorhha couldn't be spared. It is for the same reason that the Greek, Diogenes of Sinope, grabbed a lamp and started looking for an honest man in ancient Greece.

�

It is strange that you are talking about�me being �'blinded by their anti-self miss-education' or being 'uneducated' when, clearly,�this discussion is above your head.

�

Do you work in the 419 field, by the way, Mr. Maxima1757?

�

�

As Africans, we have to learn to think or perish.

�

Stevek

Washington, DC, USA

A society of supine lambs breeds erect wolves. - Stevek

A wise man proportions his beliefs to the evidence - David Hume

�

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Sent: Thursday, October 24, 2013 9:01 AM
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�

"�we have become a nation of liars, obfuscators, prevaricators, fraudsters, and very little honor"

�

Who are the "we" he's talking about? Most Nigerians are not in that mold. It is people like him, who are blinded by their anti-self miss-education, who think ALL Nigerians are like him. He would rather vilify Nigerians than admit that he is uneducated.

�

The Nigerian leadership is filled with his kind.

�

It is not enough to vilify the criminal minded 419ers. It is important to celebrate the honest, hardworking and achieving Nigerians as examples of what works.

�

Those who have ears ...

�

O.E.

On Thursday, October 24, 2013 6:19 AM, Stevek <avatar...@yahoo.com> wrote:

�

"Benard Mardoff, Ken Lay, Jef Skilling, Frankel to name but few are not Nigerians." - Unknown

�

�

�

Friend,�

�

�

Neither are they the president of the country and his wife and a plurality of Americans.

�

Usually, I don't respond to comments like yours because they are not very thoughtful because they are marginally relevant to my comments. .

�

Know this. It is only a few people that were involved in killing Jesus Christ two thousand years ago but, today, all remember that the Jews (all Jews) killed Jesus Christ even if the plurality of Jews at that time were opposed to killing Jesus as it turned out with the wildfire growth of Christianity in Judea and Palestine shorthy aftter his crucifixion.

��

I hope you get that and the�context of my 'unguraded opinion' - whatever that means in what passes for�thinking for you.��

�

�

As Africans, we have to learn to think or perish.

�

Stevek

Washington, DC, USA

A society of supine lambs breeds erect wolves. - Stevek

A wise man proportions his beliefs to the evidence - David Hume

�

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Sent: Thursday, October 24, 2013 6:39 AM
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Man you are entitled to your cheap and unguarded opinion but remember that, Benard Mardoff, Ken Lay, Jef Skilling, Frankel to name but few are not Nigerians. They are Americans and top ten fraudsters of our generation. What happened to Enron was it Nigerian fault? Oh no. There is always the good, the bad and the ugly in every nation..Cruz cannot judge all Nigerians in such a manner, �we do have some hardworking and honest Nigerians for pete's sake.�

�

Sent from my BlackBerry 10 smartphone.

From: Stevek Sent: Thursday, October 24, 2013 6:16 AM To: Michael Adeniyi; OKONKWO...@googlegroups.com; edo-nat...@yahoogroups.com; NIgerianW...@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [NIgerianWorldForum] Re: Nigerian-Americans ask Senator Cruz to apologise for his offensive remark

�

Man, you are really full of shit. What has this man said, even if in jest, that us not the truth about us? What decent person anywhere in the world will respect a nation that consider lying as a way if life? Can you really say that the way Nigerians, in general, process information - with respect to its truth - is normal? Aren't you, particularly, a poster boy for that? Doesn't the very president of the country and his barely educated wife lie so outrageously that the world covers its face in embarrassment? Till date, Nigerians can't agree about who started the Biafra war even though those who are involved in this argument were eyewitnesses. Look at the list of those given national honors every year! Let's face it, we have become a nation of liars, obfuscators, prevaricators, fraudsters, and very little honor. Nigerians are the only people I know who live in an alternate universe when it cones to truth processing. Res ipso est (A thing is what it is). Stevek. Sent from Yahoo! Mail on Android

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� Country People, � Ted Cruz has slam-dunked Nigeria's image on the global scene and many of us are angry. Why this misplaced outrage from Nigerians �in the first place? You've got to read newspapers such as The Nation, Punch, Leadership and others to get a clue of the self-inflicted pains of lies Nigerians suffer on a daily basis. Nobody hates Nigeria more than �Nigerian journalists from those tabloids. �

My momma used to say that a piece of china-ware which you don't value and respect shall invariably ends up as a "shit-packer" by a stranger.

�

eRG "God gives, Man hoards and Satan steals" - eRG's Father

On Thursday, 24 October 2013, 3:16, Michael Adeniyi <mgad...@aol.com> wrote:

Did you call Senator Ted Cruz's office to protest his reckless statement and demand an apology? �Yes, I did. Call Senator Ted Cruz On (202) 224-5922 or (512) 916-5834 or (214)-599-8749 to tell him that Nigerians are hardworking, responsible, and progressive people. �Demand an apology from Senator Cruz. �Let him know his reckless statement is unacceptable.� Senator Ted Cruz: +1- 202-224-5922, 512-916-5834, 210-340-2885, 903-593-5130.� Web contact:�http://www.cruz.senate.gov/contact.cfm

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NIGERIAN-AMERICANS TO TED CRUZ:� APOLOGIZE �CANANUSA.ORG -October 23, 2013 -�� Members of the Christian Association of Nigerian-Americans, CANAN have reached out to Senator Ted Cruz of Texas to make a formal correction, retracting his distasteful, and disparaging remarks made about Nigerians on Monday in Houston.�� � �According to Houston Chronicle while taking a political swipe at the computer problems of the Affordable Care Act, Senator Cruz was reported as saying "You may have noticed that all the Nigerian email scammers have become a lot less active lately� They all have been hired to run the Obamacare website." � �Cruz has maligned all hardworking, decent and outstanding Nigerian-Americans who add value and bring goodwill to their different communities, especially in Texas, with the largest concentration of Nigerian-Americans in this country. � �Although his office did confirm this, explaining that it was just a joke, CANAN finds it appalling that the good name and reputation of Nigerian-Americans is what the Senator can joke with whimsically. This is completely unacceptable.����CANAN does not intend at this point to delve into the very nature of global and international scammers, except to say this condemnable practice is not limited to any one country based on available information and research. � �We consider it an insult that a Senator who should be representing the people of his state could turn against some of his very own constituents in what is clearly a reckless and offensive remark.� �There is only one decent option open to Senator Cruz: an unconditional and full apology. While we will be restrained at this point in order to allow for a respectable response from him, CANAN appeals to its teeming members drawn from over 1000 local parishes in the United States, several professional and ethnic groups, to await further developments. � We want to assure our people, that we are not taking this kind of unmitigated insults lying down anymore.��We are respectable, law abiding and outstanding members of the American society. By an account of the Houston Chronicle, our people are the best educated of all groups in the land.� � That Houston Chronicle report of May 20, 2008 was based on US government official census.� � The census shows that while 8 percent of the white population in the US had master�s degree and 1% held doctorates, 17% of Nigerian-Americans hold a Master�s degree and 4% doctorates. �

* 37% of Nigerians in America have first degree compared to 19% of our white American brothers!

* Compared to the Asians, Nigerians are still tops in this country as education goes. 12% of Asian-Americans have Master�s and 3% doctorates! Compare that to 17% of Nigerian-Americans who hold Master�s degree and 4% doctorates.

There is every reason for us to challenge some of this ignorant stereotypes and the time to start has come!

� ����...Signed by: Laolu Akande {Executive Director, CANAN}, �Dr. Christy Ogbeide {Houston Chapter Coordinator} & Pastor Banjo Olaniyan {Houston Chapter Secretary}. �

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Hi Ken:

My response was directed at Prof. Ken Asagwara not yourself.
My apologies for the mix up--i should have been more specific
by using his name considering there are so many Ken's on Nigerian
listservs!

Bye,

Ola

---- Original Message ----
From: kenneth harrow <har...@msu.edu>
To: usaafricadialogue <usaafric...@googlegroups.com>
Sent: Fri, Oct 25, 2013 2:53 pm
Subject: Re: USA Africa Dialogue Series - Attention--Prof Ken Asagwara Nigerian-Americans ask Senator Cruz to apologise for his offensive remark

dear ola
where did i ever say he was "calling out" a "specific group of Nigerians"?
here is what is said:
"cruz is a politician, running for supporters and their money, running for office--not running for any high ethical standards on whether to insult people or not. if he gains voters by annoying nigerians, he will do it. if we make a stink, that might actually work into his game plan. think about it: pc nigerians complaining about blunt politicians frank speech.... blah blah.
led him go one promulgating tea party xenophobias and he will continue to be a marginal candidate everywhere, except in his home state.
for some bizarre reason, texas seems to like him."

i think you misunderstood my post. when i said  he was using "frank speech" or was "blunt," i am saying what HE is saying about himself to his supporters, in order to play to their prejudices, to play to xenophobia. this is because it increases his donations, and wins tea party fanatics.

you want to answer political pandering with objective, straight speech, which is in fact irrelevant. he is playing a political game, and there is only one kind of speech he or his supporters understand. it is a discourse that functions to convince people based on their beliefs or prejudices, and has nothing to do with truth. he is using nigerians, in his speech, and it plays into his game to respond as if there were a legitimate truth to be debated. the more this becomes an issue, the more he wins.
i believe it is a political mistake to answer seriously a charge that is intended only to rally his supporters. you'd do better to call him a xenophobic bigot, and leave it at that. or better still, ignore him, and put the effort into supporting obamacare and its accomplishments.
ken



ken

On 10/25/13 10:51 AM, olaka...@aol.com wrote:

Ken:

I believe that your argument that Senator Ted cruz Jnr. merely identified a spefic group of Nigerians
and 'called them out" is not only flawed but it also does not meet the test of probity.

If Senator Cruz had merely asserted what we already know--which is  that some Nigerians (a few at most) engage in

fraudulent activities including engaging in e mail scams, he might be forgiven as he would have merely 

reaffirmed a known truth.

Unfortunately, Senator Cruz went further. He laid the blame and the burden for all the problems plaguing the online registration
process for ObamaCare squarely on the shoulders of these Nigerian e mail scammers who may or may not have ever worked
on this program.

 In essence Senator Cruz has not only accused a group of Nigerians of being fraud artists--he has also labeled
Nigerians in the programming and IT field of being so incompetent that their hiring by the Obama administration had brought down
that a major US social services program he opposes.

Notwithstanding that some of our compatriots engage in criminal behavior, one counterbalancing positive trait Nigerians
have in the USA, Canada and the rest of the world is our sense of duty, attention to detail at work and our uncommon brilliance--
which is due to our positive attitude towards educational attainment and work. It is this attitude that has catapaulted Nigerians in the USA
to a position in which they are recognized (according to the most recent census figures) as being the most highly educated identifiable group

 amongst all Americans ---including native born and immigrants alike and all races.
Native Indian, White, Asian, Hispanic and African-Americans.

Since some Nigerians like yourself are now telling us that we should keep quiet because Senator Cruz's statement is not a big deal--
considering he merely asserted the truth, I would like you to examine the full ramifications of Senator Cruz's statement vis a viz the
potential harm to the professional integrity of Nigerians.

You should also consider  the possibility that there might in fact be  be a few or many Nigerian IT professionals  who are actually working

on the implementation of ObamaCare or might be doing so through secondment from private consulting forms. Should these group of
Nigerian IT professional now bear the burden for the glitches, both major and minor in the implementation process because as alleged by
Senator Ted Cruz, they are not only fraudulent but also incompetent.

Please think this through!

Bye,

Ola

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Subject: [africanworldforum] Re: [NaijaPolitics] Re: Nigerian-Americans ask Senator Cruz to apologise for his offensive remark

Ken Asagwara:

At your urging below, coupled with NIDO Chairman Gabe Okoye's request, we have started a petition, which I urge you to sign and move on:

QUOTE

Hi,

Senator Ted Cruz tied glitches pn the Obamacare website with email scamming, and then made a crude reference to Nigerians. We consider that a gratuitous insult.

That's why I created a petition to Senator Ted Cruz, Junior US Senator from Texas.

Will you sign this petition? Click here:

http://petitions.moveon.org/sign/nigerians-demand-apology?source=c.em.mt&r_by=9360069

Thanks!

UNQUOTE

Oya!  As you can see, many Nigerians, no matter what you, Kueberuwa or Osita Ebiem write or say, are prepared to defend their integrity, but don't begrudge your inability or lack of preparedness to do so:  you may have your secret other reasons - who knows?

And there you have it.

Bolaji Aluko

On Thu, Oct 24, 2013 at 2:36 PM, Asagwara, Ken (EDU) <Ken.As...@gov.mb.ca> wrote:

Bolaji Aluko:

 

I know you are used to protesting and carrying about placards for any and whatever cause that tickles your interest. So, please, start the lead in this "Shut Down Ted Cruz" campaign”. Who cares? Did I ask you and others that share your position to not protest? I respect your position; the intelligent thing for you to do is also, respect mine and that of the others. Our positions different from yours makes us not less patriotic Nigerians than you.

 

As I said in my follow-up comments on this issue, Ted Cruz did not say, every Nigerian is an internet email scammer. He has in mind a particular group and called them out, “the Nigerian email scammers”. You see, that I am against his anti-Obama stand and lead in shutting down the USA government will not blind me to the extant damages the Nigerian internet email scammers have done to our collective image as individual Nigerians and collectively. Hence, I believe his reference to it should give us something to ruminate over.

 

Bolaji Aluko, it is your God given right to express your disagreement with me or anyone else. But when you descended into rant like, “curmudgeons Steve Kueberuwa,  or two-side-mouth-talkers like Ken Asagwara”; you showed yourself as the little antagonistic man that you are. And I say to you, Bolaji Aluko, please grow up.

 

“And there you have it”, too.

 

Mazi KC Prince Asagwara

 

 

 

 

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Subject: [NaijaPolitics] Re: Nigerian-Americans ask Senator Cruz to apologise for his offensive remark

 

My People:

 

I write once again in support of this "Shut Down Ted Cruz" campaign being led by some Nigerians in the Diaspora.

 

I have learnt in activism that:

 

   - you cannot get all people to support your particular passion about a particular issue;

  - others too will have a passion that you may not have a passion for

  - you should not allow the lack of passion of others to deter your own.

 

So in this particular Cruz/Nigerians palaver:

 

  - those who wish to write and "shut-down" Cruz should come together and do so. [I remember during the Carol Moseley-Braun situation, there were many calls that "she is a Black woman...she is the only Black Woman in the Senate...why do we want to bring her down...." Blah, blah, blah...  But we pressed on, and won.....]

 

 - those like Osita Ebiem below who (for whatever reason) - or curmudgeons Steve Kueberuwa,  or two-side-mouth-talkers like Ken Asagwara, etcheram ad nauseium - want to write to Cruz to praise him for his dissing NIgerians in should go on.

 

No matter Cruz's popularity in Texas, I can assure you that we will make him SERIOUSLY uncomfortable if we keep at it,  since we will have MANY people come on our side for their own many various reasons.  My own reasons are Cruz's dissing Nigerians, his anti-Obama-ness, and his "shutting down" the country, not necessarily in that order! :-)

 

And there you have it.

 

 

Bolaji Aluko

 

PS:  I also remember that we got General Colin Powell to write to Nigerians apologizing when he made an untoward remark about Nigerians in an Atlantic Monthly interview.  I led his harassment then.    I have the original letter in my archive which I will publish some day, but which copy I made to our community then..

 

 

 

 

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From: Osita Ebiem <osita...@yahoo.com> 
Date: 10/24/2013 12:02 PM (GMT-05:00) 
To: NIgerianW...@yahoogroups.com,ku...@morayocomm.com,mgad...@aol.com,OKONKWO...@googlegroups.com,edo-nat...@yahoogroups.com 
Subject: Re: [NIgerianWorldForum] Re: Nigerian-Americans ask Senator Cruz to apologise for his offensive remark 

Dear Senator,

 

I wish to express my support at this time of unwarranted attack on you for a statement you made in regards with some Nigerians. You are clearly right and should not back down and let lies and recklessness win over truth and the justification for objective criticisms. The statement credited to you was specific and directed at the Nigerian internet scammers and not a blanket statement as the misguided Nigerian critics are trying to make it sound. Unfortunately this is exactly what is wrong with Nigeria - most Nigerians live in lies and denial of realities. They jump on issues without taking time to understand the truth of the matter and invariably deflect the discussion to everything else except to those things that are connected with the issue. Interestingly, those that complain the most are those ones that know little or nothing about their so-called country. One of the so-called groups that are leading in the attack have come up with some figures of their so-called Nigerian PhDs. These Nigerians possess so many Phds and yet they are unable to read the right meaning to a very simple statement, isn't it something? They also have so many doctorate degrees and yet cannot fix anything, not even the smallest light bulb in their country. With all the college degrees they claim to possess but they have not the slightest sense of history about their Nigeria. Biafra happened forty six years ago and many of these merchants in senseless calumny cannot relate any comprehensible and articulated statement about it. To silence these protests, please Senator, challenge them to a debate about Biafra and why the division of that country is the answer to all the problems. Thanks for being realistic and truthful.

 

Best regards

 

Osita Ebiem

 

PS: I was born a Nigerian but since ceased from being one.

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On Thu, Oct 24, 2013 at 12:09 PM, Asagwara, Ken (EDU) <Ken.As...@gov.mb.ca> wrote:

Folks:

 

On this issue, while I argue not against those wanting calls made to Senator Ted Cruz’s constituency office to register their disapproval of his swipe at all Nigerians, I also share the views expressed by Stevek. If most of the 419 scams exposed are not associated with unscrupulous Nigerians, he will not have taken his pot-shot at Nigerians. An overwhelming evidence shows most 419 scam letters originate from Nigerians their points of mailing not minding. If a Nigerian hides in South Africa, India, England, France, Germany, USA, name it and sends out scam letters to wherever, he/she is still a Nigerian and it is the name and image of Nigerian that is being tarnished.

 

The righteous indignation being expressed by some of us, Nigerians, is unwarranted. And while you may want to feel righteously indignant, remind those fraudulent Nigerians you know who are involved in credit card and bank frauds, health care overbilling scams, vehicle/car stealing and shipment to Nigeria, life insurance frauds, etc., to remember that in their nefarious dealings to get rich over night, we all Nigerians, pay the price for their greed by having our collective image and reputation soiled. Hence, the Ted Cruzes of the Tea Party are likely to have their political fun at the expense of anyone that is identified as a Nigerian, including our sons and daughters born in the USA some of whom may not have yet visited Nigeria.

 

I believe that is what Stevek meant by, “we have become a nation of liars, obfuscators, prevaricators, fraudsters, and very little honor" because for any and every individual fraudulent and criminal act of Diaspora Nigerians and the widely known official acts of corruption by the Nigerian political and business leaders becomes like a camouflage that reflects on every Nigerian; wherever he/she is resident is of less importance. “The unexamined life is not worth living”, said Socrates and if it takes the Ted Cruzes of the USA Republican/Tea Party to drive it home for us Nigerians, so be it.

 

It is also noteworthy that while Nigerians in their ethnic cocoons can hardly agree on any national issue(s) except their common hate of the Igbo would come out puffing and huffing, swinging and cursing because Ted Cruz called out the ugly skeleton some individual Nigerians have stuffed in our collective closet. In case you do not know it, Ted Cruz said in public what other highly placed American politicians and business leaders would not mind saying but dare not for political correctness. Other than some Nigerians, have you read or heard from any American politician, Democrat or Republican calling him out on what he said? You go figure.

 

Cheers.

 

Mazi KC Prince Asagwara

 

 

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Subject: Re: [NIgerianWorldForum] Re: Nigerian-Americans ask Senator Cruz to apologise for his offensive remark

 

 

Stevek,
You got it all wrong. The Jews have fought and have practically won the battle with Christians over the crucifixion story. The Jews were collectively vilified for the crucifixion but the Church, Catholic and Protestant, has backed away from the collective guilt. One cannot see it in the catechism as before. If you lack the backbone to denounce evil, it is OK. Not every body has it. But I will not sit down and takea collective guilt that the likes of uninformed Senator Ted Cruz is trying to impose on me and my people.

You also miss the the other point he was making. Obama is an African that is why the unspoken words are to people who say "they are all the same." They are the people Mr. Cruz was speaking to. You may not hear that SteveK.

Individual Nigerians have supported and opposed Mr. Obama and health care. But Mr. Obama got most of his support from Americans, so why not say that American scam artists have been employed to work for Obama Care. This at least would be true. I am not aware of any Nigeria Obama has employed to work for him either in the health care, political arena or anywhere else. Why drag Nigeria into it. He was sending a different message than Mr. SteveK is hearing.

Benjamin Obiajulu Aduba 

 

 

 

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To: NIgerianWorldForum <NIgerianW...@yahoogroups.com>; fred.idika <fred....@gmail.com>; Michael Adeniyi <mgad...@aol.com>; OKONKWONETWORKS <OKONKWO...@googlegroups.com>; edo-nationality <edo-nat...@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Thu, Oct 24, 2013 9:53 am
Subject: Re: [NIgerianWorldForum] Re: Nigerian-Americans ask Senator Cruz to apologise for his offensive remark

Know this. It is only a few people that were involved in killing Jesus Christ two thousand years ago but, today, all remember that the Jews (all Jews) killed Jesus Christ even if the plurality of Jews at that time were opposed to killing Jesus as it turned out with the wildfire growth of Christianity in Judea and Palestine shorthy aftter his crucifixion.

 

Friend,

 

Read what I have excerpted from what I wrote above.

 

That is the nature of perception.

 

It is this same factor why Sodom and Gomorhha couldn't be spared. It is for the same reason that the Greek, Diogenes of Sinope, grabbed a lamp and started looking for an honest man in ancient Greece.

 

It is strange that you are talking about me being  'blinded by their anti-self miss-education' or being 'uneducated' when, clearly, this discussion is above your head.

 

Do you work in the 419 field, by the way, Mr. Maxima1757?

 

 

As Africans, we have to learn to think or perish.

 

Stevek

Washington, DC, USA

A society of supine lambs breeds erect wolves. - Stevek

A wise man proportions his beliefs to the evidence - David Hume

 

From: "maxim...@yahoo.com" <maxim...@yahoo.com>
To: "NIgerianW...@yahoogroups.com" <NIgerianW...@yahoogroups.com>; "fred....@gmail.com" <fred....@gmail.com>; Michael Adeniyi <mgad...@aol.com>; "OKONKWO...@googlegroups.com" <OKONKWO...@googlegroups.com>; "edo-nat...@yahoogroups.com" <edo-nat...@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Thursday, October 24, 2013 9:01 AM
Subject: Re: [NIgerianWorldForum] Re: Nigerian-Americans ask Senator Cruz to apologise for his offensive remark

" we have become a nation of liars, obfuscators, prevaricators, fraudsters, and very little honor"

 

Who are the "we" he's talking about? Most Nigerians are not in that mold. It is people like him, who are blinded by their anti-self miss-education, who think ALL Nigerians are like him. He would rather vilify Nigerians than admit that he is uneducated.

 

The Nigerian leadership is filled with his kind.

 

It is not enough to vilify the criminal minded 419ers. It is important to celebrate the honest, hardworking and achieving Nigerians as examples of what works.

 

Those who have ears ...

 

O.E.

On Thursday, October 24, 2013 6:19 AM, Stevek <avatar...@yahoo.com> wrote:

"Benard Mardoff, Ken Lay, Jef Skilling, Frankel to name but few are not Nigerians." - Unknown

 

 

 

Friend, 

 

 

Neither are they the president of the country and his wife and a plurality of Americans.

 

Usually, I don't respond to comments like yours because they are not very thoughtful because they are marginally relevant to my comments. .

 

Know this. It is only a few people that were involved in killing Jesus Christ two thousand years ago but, today, all remember that the Jews (all Jews) killed Jesus Christ even if the plurality of Jews at that time were opposed to killing Jesus as it turned out with the wildfire growth of Christianity in Judea and Palestine shorthy aftter his crucifixion.

  

I hope you get that and the context of my 'unguraded opinion' - whatever that means in what passes for thinking for you.  

 

 

As Africans, we have to learn to think or perish.

 

Stevek

Washington, DC, USA

A society of supine lambs breeds erect wolves. - Stevek

A wise man proportions his beliefs to the evidence - David Hume

 

From: "fred....@gmail.com" <fred....@gmail.com>
To: Stevek <avatar...@yahoo.com>; Michael Adeniyi <mgad...@aol.com>; OKONKWO...@googlegroups.com; edo-nat...@yahoogroups.com; NIgerianW...@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Thursday, October 24, 2013 6:39 AM
Subject: Re: [NIgerianWorldForum] Re: Nigerian-Americans ask Senator Cruz to apologise for his offensive remark

Man you are entitled to your cheap and unguarded opinion but remember that, Benard Mardoff, Ken Lay, Jef Skilling, Frankel to name but few are not Nigerians. They are Americans and top ten fraudsters of our generation. What happened to Enron was it Nigerian fault? Oh no. There is always the good, the bad and the ugly in every nation..Cruz cannot judge all Nigerians in such a manner,  we do have some hardworking and honest Nigerians for pete's sake. 

 

Sent from my BlackBerry 10 smartphone.

From: Stevek Sent: Thursday, October 24, 2013 6:16 AM To: Michael Adeniyi; OKONKWO...@googlegroups.com; edo-nat...@yahoogroups.com; NIgerianW...@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [NIgerianWorldForum] Re: Nigerian-Americans ask Senator Cruz to apologise for his offensive remark

Man, you are really full of shit. What has this man said, even if in jest, that us not the truth about us? What decent person anywhere in the world will respect a nation that consider lying as a way if life? Can you really say that the way Nigerians, in general, process information - with respect to its truth - is normal? Aren't you, particularly, a poster boy for that? Doesn't the very president of the country and his barely educated wife lie so outrageously that the world covers its face in embarrassment? Till date, Nigerians can't agree about who started the Biafra war even though those who are involved in this argument were eyewitnesses. Look at the list of those given national honors every year! Let's face it, we have become a nation of liars, obfuscators, prevaricators, fraudsters, and very little honor. Nigerians are the only people I know who live in an alternate universe when it cones to truth processing. Res ipso est (A thing is what it is). Stevek. Sent from Yahoo! Mail on Android

From: eRG <edorege...@yahoo.co.uk>; To: Michael Adeniyi <mgad...@aol.com>; OKONKWO...@googlegroups.com <OKONKWO...@googlegroups.com>; edo-nat...@yahoogroups.com <edo-nat...@yahoogroups.com>; NIgerianW...@yahoogroups.com <NIgerianW...@yahoogroups.com>; Subject: [NIgerianWorldForum] Re: Nigerian-Americans ask Senator Cruz to apologise for his offensive remark Sent: Thu, Oct 24, 2013 7:37:29 AM

Country People,   Ted Cruz has slam-dunked Nigeria's image on the global scene and many of us are angry. Why this misplaced outrage from Nigerians  in the first place? You've got to read newspapers such as The Nation, Punch, Leadership and others to get a clue of the self-inflicted pains of lies Nigerians suffer on a daily basis. Nobody hates Nigeria more than  Nigerian journalists from those tabloids.

My momma used to say that a piece of china-ware which you don't value and respect shall invariably ends up as a "shit-packer" by a stranger.

eRG "God gives, Man hoards and Satan steals" - eRG's Father

On Thursday, 24 October 2013, 3:16, Michael Adeniyi <mgad...@aol.com> wrote:

Did you call Senator Ted Cruz's office to protest his reckless statement and demand an apology?  Yes, I did. Call Senator Ted Cruz On (202) 224-5922 or (512) 916-5834 or (214)-599-8749 to tell him that Nigerians are hardworking, responsible, and progressive people.  Demand an apology from Senator Cruz.  Let him know his reckless statement is unacceptable.

Senator Ted Cruz: +1- 202-224-5922, 512-916-5834, 210-340-2885, 903-593-5130.

Web contact: http://www.cruz.senate.gov/contact.cfm

-----Original Message----- From: Copier102 <Copi...@aol.com> Sent: Wed, Oct 23, 2013 9:41 pm Subject: [Naijaintellects] Nigerian-Americans ask Senator Cruz to apologise for his offensive remark

NIGERIAN-AMERICANS TO TED CRUZ:  APOLOGIZE

CANANUSA.ORG -October 23, 2013 -   Members of the Christian Association of Nigerian-Americans, CANAN have reached out to Senator Ted Cruz of Texas to make a formal correction, retracting his distasteful, and disparaging remarks made about Nigerians on Monday in Houston.      According to Houston Chronicle while taking a political swipe at the computer problems of the Affordable Care Act, Senator Cruz was reported as saying "You may have noticed that all the Nigerian email scammers have become a lot less active lately… They all have been hired to run the Obamacare website."

Cruz has maligned all hardworking, decent and outstanding Nigerian-Americans who add value and bring goodwill to their different communities, especially in Texas, with the largest concentration of Nigerian-Americans in this country.

Although his office did confirm this, explaining that it was just a joke, CANAN finds it appalling that the good name and reputation of Nigerian-Americans is what the Senator can joke with whimsically. This is completely unacceptable.    CANAN does not intend at this point to delve into the very nature of global and international scammers, except to say this condemnable practice is not limited to any one country based on available information and research.

We consider it an insult that a Senator who should be representing the people of his state could turn against some of his very own constituents in what is clearly a reckless and offensive remark.

There is only one decent option open to Senator Cruz: an unconditional and full apology. While we will be restrained at this point in order to allow for a respectable response from him, CANAN appeals to its teeming members drawn from over 1000 local parishes in the United States, several professional and ethnic groups, to await further developments.

We want to assure our people, that we are not taking this kind of unmitigated insults lying down anymore.  We are respectable, law abiding and outstanding members of the American society. By an account of the Houston Chronicle, our people are the best educated of all groups in the land.

That Houston Chronicle report of May 20, 2008 was based on US government official census.

The census shows that while 8 percent of the white population in the US had master’s degree and 1% held doctorates, 17% of Nigerian-Americans hold a Master’s degree and 4% doctorates.

* 37% of Nigerians in America have first degree compared to 19% of our white American brothers!

* Compared to the Asians, Nigerians are still tops in this country as education goes. 12% of Asian-Americans have Master’s and 3% doctorates! Compare that to 17% of Nigerian-Americans who hold Master’s degree and 4% doctorates.

There is every reason for us to challenge some of this ignorant stereotypes and the time to start has come!

...Signed by: Laolu Akande {Executive Director, CANAN},  Dr. Christy Ogbeide {Houston Chapter Coordinator} & Pastor Banjo Olaniyan {Houston Chapter Secretary}.

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[kenneth harrow]

oh, sorry. shouldn't assume i am always ken!
ken harrow

On 10/25/13 3:24 PM, olaka...@aol.com wrote:

Hi Ken:

My response was directed at Prof. Ken Asagwara not yourself.
My apologies for the mix up--i should have been more specific
by using his name considering there are so many Ken's on Nigerian
listservs!

Bye,

Ola

---- Original Message ----
From: kenneth harrow <har...@msu.edu>
To: usaafricadialogue <usaafric...@googlegroups.com>
Sent: Fri, Oct 25, 2013 2:53 pm
Subject: Re: USA Africa Dialogue Series - Attention--Prof Ken Asagwara Nigerian-Americans ask Senator Cruz to apologise for his offensive remark

dear ola
where did i ever say he was "calling out" a "specific group of Nigerians"?
here is what is said:
"cruz is a politician, running for supporters and their money, running for office--not running for any high ethical standards on whether to insult people or not. if he gains voters by annoying nigerians, he will do it. if we make a stink, that might actually work into his game plan. think about it: pc nigerians complaining about blunt politicians frank speech.... blah blah.
led him go one promulgating tea party xenophobias and he will continue to be a marginal candidate everywhere, except in his home state.
for some bizarre reason, texas seems to like him."

i think you misunderstood my post. when i said� he was using "frank speech" or was "blunt," i am saying what HE is saying about himself to his supporters, in order to play to their prejudices, to play to xenophobia. this is because it increases his donations, and wins tea party fanatics.

you want to answer political pandering with objective, straight speech, which is in fact irrelevant. he is playing a political game, and there is only one kind of speech he or his supporters understand. it is a discourse that functions to convince people based on their beliefs or prejudices, and has nothing to do with truth. he is using nigerians, in his speech, and it plays into his game to respond as if there were a legitimate truth to be debated. the more this becomes an issue, the more he wins.
i believe it is a political mistake to answer seriously a charge that is intended only to rally his supporters. you'd do better to call him a xenophobic bigot, and leave it at that. or better still, ignore him, and put the effort into supporting obamacare and its accomplishments.
ken



ken

On 10/25/13 10:51 AM, olaka...@aol.com wrote:

Ken:

I believe that your argument that Senator Ted cruz Jnr. merely identified a spefic group of Nigerians
and 'called them out" is not only flawed but it also does not meet the test of probity.

If Senator Cruz had merely asserted what we already know--which is� that some Nigerians (a few at most) engage in
fraudulent activities including engaging in e mail scams, he might be forgiven as he would have merely�

reaffirmed a known truth.

Unfortunately, Senator Cruz went further. He laid the blame and the burden for all the problems plaguing the online registration
process for ObamaCare squarely on the shoulders of these Nigerian e mail scammers who may or may not have ever worked
on this program.

�In essence Senator Cruz has not only accused a group of Nigerians of being fraud artists--he has also labeled

Nigerians in the programming and IT field of being so incompetent that their hiring by the Obama administration had brought down
that a major US social services program he opposes.

Notwithstanding that some of our compatriots engage in criminal behavior, one counterbalancing positive trait Nigerians
have in the USA, Canada and the rest of the world is our sense of duty, attention to detail at work and our uncommon brilliance--
which is due to our positive attitude towards educational attainment and work. It is this attitude that has catapaulted Nigerians in the USA
to a position in which they are recognized (according to the most recent census figures) as being the most highly educated identifiable group

�amongst all Americans ---including native born and immigrants alike and all races.

Native Indian, White, Asian, Hispanic and African-Americans.

Since some Nigerians like yourself are now telling us that we should keep quiet because Senator Cruz's statement is not a big deal--
considering he merely asserted the truth, I would like you to examine the full ramifications of Senator Cruz's statement vis a viz the
potential harm to the professional integrity of Nigerians.

You should also consider� the possibility that there might in fact be� be a few or many Nigerian IT professionals� who are actually working

on the implementation of ObamaCare or might be doing so through secondment from private consulting forms. Should these group of
Nigerian IT professional now bear the burden for the glitches, both major and minor in the implementation process because as alleged by
Senator Ted Cruz, they are not only fraudulent but also incompetent.

Please think this through!

Bye,

Ola

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Sent: Fri, Oct 25, 2013 3:41 am
Subject: [africanworldforum] Re: [NaijaPolitics] Re: Nigerian-Americans ask Senator Cruz to apologise for his offensive remark

Ken Asagwara:

At your urging below, coupled with NIDO Chairman Gabe Okoye's request, we have started a petition, which I urge you to sign and move on:

QUOTE

Hi,

Senator Ted Cruz tied glitches pn the Obamacare website with email scamming, and then made a crude reference to Nigerians. We consider that a gratuitous insult.

That's why I created a petition to Senator Ted Cruz, Junior US Senator from Texas.

Will you sign this petition? Click here:

http://petitions.moveon.org/sign/nigerians-demand-apology?source=c.em.mt&r_by=9360069

Thanks!

UNQUOTE

Oya! �As you can see, many Nigerians, no matter what you, Kueberuwa or Osita Ebiem write or say, are prepared to defend their integrity, but don't begrudge your inability or lack of preparedness to do so: �you may have your secret other reasons - who knows?

And there you have it.

Bolaji Aluko

On Thu, Oct 24, 2013 at 2:36 PM, Asagwara, Ken (EDU) <Ken.As...@gov.mb.ca> wrote:

Bolaji Aluko:

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I know you are used to protesting and carrying about placards for any and whatever cause that tickles your interest. So, please, start the lead in this "Shut Down Ted Cruz" campaign�. Who cares? Did I ask you and others that share your position to not protest? I respect your position; the intelligent thing for you to do is also, respect mine and that of the others. Our positions different from yours makes us not less patriotic Nigerians than you.

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As I said in my follow-up comments on this issue, Ted Cruz did not say, every Nigerian is an internet email scammer. He has in mind a particular group and called them out, �the Nigerian email scammers�. You see, that I am against his anti-Obama stand and lead in shutting down the USA government will not blind me to the extant damages the Nigerian internet email scammers have done to our collective image as individual Nigerians and collectively. Hence, I believe his reference to it should give us something to ruminate over.

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Bolaji Aluko, it is your God given right to express your disagreement with me or anyone else. But when you descended into rant like, �curmudgeons Steve Kueberuwa, �or two-side-mouth-talkers like Ken Asagwara�; you showed yourself as the little antagonistic man that you are. And I say to you, Bolaji Aluko, please grow up.

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�And there you have it�, too.

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Mazi KC Prince Asagwara

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From: NaijaP...@yahoogroups.com [mailto:NaijaP...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Mobolaji Aluko
Sent: October-24-13 12:15 PM
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Subject: [NaijaPolitics] Re: Nigerian-Americans ask Senator Cruz to apologise for his offensive remark

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My People:

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I write once again in support of this "Shut Down Ted Cruz" campaign being led by some Nigerians in the Diaspora.

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I have learnt in activism that:

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� �- you cannot get all people to support your particular passion about a particular issue;

� - others too will have a passion that you may not have a passion for

� - you should not allow the lack of passion of others to deter your own.

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So in this particular Cruz/Nigerians palaver:

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� - those who wish to write and "shut-down" Cruz should come together and do so. [I remember during the Carol Moseley-Braun situation, there were many calls that "she is a Black woman...she is the only Black Woman in the Senate...why do we want to bring her down...." Blah, blah, blah... �But we pressed on, and won.....]

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�- those like Osita Ebiem below who (for whatever reason) - or curmudgeons Steve Kueberuwa, �or two-side-mouth-talkers like Ken Asagwara, etcheram ad nauseium - want to write to Cruz to praise him for his dissing NIgerians in should go on.

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No matter Cruz's popularity in Texas, I can assure you that we will make him SERIOUSLY uncomfortable if we keep at it, �since we will have MANY people come on our side for their own many various reasons. �My own reasons are Cruz's dissing Nigerians, his anti-Obama-ness, and his "shutting down" the country, not necessarily in that order! :-)

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And there you have it.

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Bolaji Aluko

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PS: �I also remember that we got General Colin Powell to write to Nigerians apologizing when he made an untoward remark about Nigerians in an Atlantic Monthly interview. �I led his harassment then. � �I have the original letter in my archive which I will publish some day, but which copy I made to our community then..

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-------- Original message --------
From: Osita Ebiem <osita...@yahoo.com>�
Date: 10/24/2013 12:02 PM (GMT-05:00)�
To:�NIgerianW...@yahoogroups.com,ku...@morayocomm.com,mgad...@aol.com,OKONKWO...@googlegroups.com,edo-nat...@yahoogroups.com�
Subject: Re: [NIgerianWorldForum] Re: Nigerian-Americans ask Senator Cruz to apologise for his offensive remark�

Dear Senator,

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I wish to express my support at this time of unwarranted attack on you for a statement you made in regards with some Nigerians. You are clearly right and should not back down and let lies and recklessness win over truth and the justification for objective criticisms. The statement credited to you was specific and directed at the Nigerian internet scammers and not a blanket statement as the misguided Nigerian critics are trying to make it sound. Unfortunately this is exactly what is wrong with Nigeria - most Nigerians live in lies and denial of realities. They jump on issues without taking time to understand the truth of the matter and invariably deflect the discussion to everything else except to those things that are connected with the issue. Interestingly, those that complain the most are those ones that know little or nothing about their so-called country. One of the so-called groups that are leading in the attack have come up with some figures of their so-called Nigerian PhDs. These Nigerians possess so many Phds and yet they are unable to read the right meaning to a very simple statement, isn't it something? They also have so many doctorate degrees and yet cannot fix anything, not even the smallest light bulb in their country. With all the college degrees they claim to possess but they have not the slightest sense of history about their Nigeria. Biafra happened forty six years ago and many of these merchants in senseless calumny cannot relate any comprehensible and articulated statement about it. To silence these protests, please Senator, challenge them to a debate about Biafra and why the division of that country is the answer to all the problems. Thanks for being realistic and truthful.

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Best regards

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Osita Ebiem

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PS: I was born a Nigerian but since ceased from being one.

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On Thu, Oct 24, 2013 at 12:09 PM, Asagwara, Ken (EDU) <Ken.As...@gov.mb.ca> wrote:

Folks:

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On this issue, while I argue not against those wanting calls made to Senator Ted Cruz�s constituency office to register their disapproval of his swipe at all Nigerians, I also share the views expressed by Stevek. If most of the 419 scams exposed are not associated with unscrupulous Nigerians, he will not have taken his pot-shot at Nigerians. An overwhelming evidence shows most 419 scam letters originate from Nigerians their points of mailing not minding. If a Nigerian hides in South Africa, India, England, France, Germany, USA, name it and sends out scam letters to wherever, he/she is still a Nigerian and it is the name and image of Nigerian that is being tarnished.

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The righteous indignation being expressed by some of us, Nigerians, is unwarranted. And while you may want to feel righteously indignant, remind those fraudulent Nigerians you know who are involved in credit card and bank frauds, health care overbilling scams, vehicle/car stealing and shipment to Nigeria, life insurance frauds, etc., to remember that in their nefarious dealings to get rich over night, we all Nigerians, pay the price for their greed by having our collective image and reputation soiled. Hence, the Ted Cruzes of the Tea Party are likely to have their political fun at the expense of anyone that is identified as a Nigerian, including our sons and daughters born in the USA some of whom may not have yet visited Nigeria.

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I believe that is what Stevek meant by, �we have become a nation of liars, obfuscators, prevaricators, fraudsters, and very little honor" because for any and every individual fraudulent and criminal act of Diaspora Nigerians and the widely known official acts of corruption by the Nigerian political and business leaders becomes like a camouflage that reflects on every Nigerian; wherever he/she is resident is of less importance. �The unexamined life is not worth living�, said Socrates and if it takes the Ted Cruzes of the USA Republican/Tea Party to drive it home for us Nigerians, so be it.

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It is also noteworthy that while Nigerians in their ethnic cocoons can hardly agree on any national issue(s) except their common hate of the Igbo would come out puffing and huffing, swinging and cursing because Ted Cruz called out the ugly skeleton some individual Nigerians have stuffed in our collective closet. In case you do not know it, Ted Cruz said in public what other highly placed American politicians and business leaders would not mind saying but dare not for political correctness. Other than some Nigerians, have you read or heard from any American politician, Democrat or Republican calling him out on what he said? You go figure.

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Cheers.

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Mazi KC Prince Asagwara

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Sent: October-24-13 9:53 AM

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Subject: Re: [NIgerianWorldForum] Re: Nigerian-Americans ask Senator Cruz to apologise for his offensive remark

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Stevek,
You got it all wrong. The Jews have fought and have practically won the battle with Christians over the crucifixion story. The Jews were collectively vilified for the crucifixion but the Church, Catholic and Protestant, has backed away from the collective guilt. One cannot see it in the catechism as before. If you lack the backbone to denounce evil, it is OK. Not every body has it. But I will not sit down and takea collective guilt that the likes of uninformed Senator Ted Cruz is trying to impose on me and my people.

You also miss the the other point he was making. Obama is an African that is why the unspoken words are to people who say "they are all the same." They are the people Mr. Cruz was speaking to. You may not hear that SteveK.

Individual Nigerians have supported and opposed Mr. Obama and health care. But Mr. Obama got most of his support from Americans, so why not say that American scam artists have been employed to work for Obama Care. This at least would be true. I am not aware of any Nigeria Obama has employed to work for him either in the health care, political arena or anywhere else. Why drag Nigeria into it. He was sending a different message than Mr. SteveK is hearing.

Benjamin Obiajulu Aduba�

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From: Stevek <avatar...@yahoo.com>
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Sent: Thu, Oct 24, 2013 9:53 am
Subject: Re: [NIgerianWorldForum] Re: Nigerian-Americans ask Senator Cruz to apologise for his offensive remark

Know this. It is only a few people that were involved in killing Jesus Christ two thousand years ago but, today, all remember that the Jews (all Jews) killed Jesus Christ even if the plurality of Jews at that time were opposed to killing Jesus as it turned out with the wildfire growth of Christianity in Judea and Palestine shorthy aftter his crucifixion.

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Friend,

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Read what I have excerpted from what I wrote above.

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That is the nature of perception.

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It is this same factor why Sodom and Gomorhha couldn't be spared. It is for the same reason that the Greek, Diogenes of Sinope, grabbed a lamp and started looking for an honest man in ancient Greece.

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It is strange that you are talking about�me being �'blinded by their anti-self miss-education' or being 'uneducated' when, clearly,�this discussion is above your head.

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Do you work in the 419 field, by the way, Mr. Maxima1757?

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As Africans, we have to learn to think or perish.

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Stevek

Washington, DC, USA

A society of supine lambs breeds erect wolves. - Stevek

A wise man proportions his beliefs to the evidence - David Hume

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From: "maxim...@yahoo.com" <maxim...@yahoo.com>
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Sent: Thursday, October 24, 2013 9:01 AM
Subject: Re: [NIgerianWorldForum] Re: Nigerian-Americans ask Senator Cruz to apologise for his offensive remark

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"�we have become a nation of liars, obfuscators, prevaricators, fraudsters, and very little honor"

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Who are the "we" he's talking about? Most Nigerians are not in that mold. It is people like him, who are blinded by their anti-self miss-education, who think ALL Nigerians are like him. He would rather vilify Nigerians than admit that he is uneducated.

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The Nigerian leadership is filled with his kind.

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It is not enough to vilify the criminal minded 419ers. It is important to celebrate the honest, hardworking and achieving Nigerians as examples of what works.

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Those who have ears ...

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O.E.

On Thursday, October 24, 2013 6:19 AM, Stevek <avatar...@yahoo.com> wrote:

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"Benard Mardoff, Ken Lay, Jef Skilling, Frankel to name but few are not Nigerians." - Unknown

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Friend,�

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Neither are they the president of the country and his wife and a plurality of Americans.

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Usually, I don't respond to comments like yours because they are not very thoughtful because they are marginally relevant to my comments. .

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Know this. It is only a few people that were involved in killing Jesus Christ two thousand years ago but, today, all remember that the Jews (all Jews) killed Jesus Christ even if the plurality of Jews at that time were opposed to killing Jesus as it turned out with the wildfire growth of Christianity in Judea and Palestine shorthy aftter his crucifixion.

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I hope you get that and the�context of my 'unguraded opinion' - whatever that means in what passes for�thinking for you.��

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As Africans, we have to learn to think or perish.

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Stevek

Washington, DC, USA

A society of supine lambs breeds erect wolves. - Stevek

A wise man proportions his beliefs to the evidence - David Hume

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From: "fred....@gmail.com" <fred....@gmail.com>
To: Stevek <avatar...@yahoo.com>; Michael Adeniyi <mgad...@aol.com>; OKONKWO...@googlegroups.com; edo-nat...@yahoogroups.com; NIgerianW...@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Thursday, October 24, 2013 6:39 AM
Subject: Re: [NIgerianWorldForum] Re: Nigerian-Americans ask Senator Cruz to apologise for his offensive remark

Man you are entitled to your cheap and unguarded opinion but remember that, Benard Mardoff, Ken Lay, Jef Skilling, Frankel to name but few are not Nigerians. They are Americans and top ten fraudsters of our generation. What happened to Enron was it Nigerian fault? Oh no. There is always the good, the bad and the ugly in every nation..Cruz cannot judge all Nigerians in such a manner, �we do have some hardworking and honest Nigerians for pete's sake.�

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Sent from my BlackBerry 10 smartphone.

From: Stevek Sent: Thursday, October 24, 2013 6:16 AM To: Michael Adeniyi; OKONKWO...@googlegroups.com; edo-nat...@yahoogroups.com; NIgerianW...@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [NIgerianWorldForum] Re: Nigerian-Americans ask Senator Cruz to apologise for his offensive remark

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Man, you are really full of shit. What has this man said, even if in jest, that us not the truth about us? What decent person anywhere in the world will respect a nation that consider lying as a way if life? Can you really say that the way Nigerians, in general, process information - with respect to its truth - is normal? Aren't you, particularly, a poster boy for that? Doesn't the very president of the country and his barely educated wife lie so outrageously that the world covers its face in embarrassment? Till date, Nigerians can't agree about who started the Biafra war even though those who are involved in this argument were eyewitnesses. Look at the list of those given national honors every year! Let's face it, we have become a nation of liars, obfuscators, prevaricators, fraudsters, and very little honor. Nigerians are the only people I know who live in an alternate universe when it cones to truth processing. Res ipso est (A thing is what it is). Stevek. Sent from Yahoo! Mail on Android

From: eRG <edorege...@yahoo.co.uk>; To: Michael Adeniyi <mgad...@aol.com>; OKONKWO...@googlegroups.com <OKONKWO...@googlegroups.com>; edo-nat...@yahoogroups.com <edo-nat...@yahoogroups.com>; NIgerianW...@yahoogroups.com <NIgerianW...@yahoogroups.com>; Subject: [NIgerianWorldForum] Re: Nigerian-Americans ask Senator Cruz to apologise for his offensive remark Sent: Thu, Oct 24, 2013 7:37:29 AM

� Country People, � Ted Cruz has slam-dunked Nigeria's image on the global scene and many of us are angry. Why this misplaced outrage from Nigerians �in the first place? You've got to read newspapers such as The Nation, Punch, Leadership and others to get a clue of the self-inflicted pains of lies Nigerians suffer on a daily basis. Nobody hates Nigeria more than �Nigerian journalists from those tabloids. �

My momma used to say that a piece of china-ware which you don't value and respect shall invariably ends up as a "shit-packer" by a stranger.

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eRG "God gives, Man hoards and Satan steals" - eRG's Father

On Thursday, 24 October 2013, 3:16, Michael Adeniyi <mgad...@aol.com> wrote:

Did you call Senator Ted Cruz's office to protest his reckless statement and demand an apology? �Yes, I did. Call Senator Ted Cruz On (202) 224-5922 or (512) 916-5834 or (214)-599-8749 to tell him that Nigerians are hardworking, responsible, and progressive people. �Demand an apology from Senator Cruz. �Let him know his reckless statement is unacceptable.� Senator Ted Cruz: +1- 202-224-5922, 512-916-5834, 210-340-2885, 903-593-5130.� Web contact:�http://www.cruz.senate.gov/contact.cfm

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NIGERIAN-AMERICANS TO TED CRUZ:� APOLOGIZE

�CANANUSA.ORG -October 23, 2013 -�� Members of the Christian Association of Nigerian-Americans, CANAN have reached out to Senator Ted Cruz of Texas to make a formal correction, retracting his distasteful, and disparaging remarks made about Nigerians on Monday in Houston.�� � �According to Houston Chronicle while taking a political swipe at the computer problems of the Affordable Care Act, Senator Cruz was reported as saying "You may have noticed that all the Nigerian email scammers have become a lot less active lately� They all have been hired to run the Obamacare website." � �Cruz has maligned all hardworking, decent and outstanding Nigerian-Americans who add value and bring goodwill to their different communities, especially in Texas, with the largest concentration of Nigerian-Americans in this country. � �Although his office did confirm this, explaining that it was just a joke, CANAN finds it appalling that the good name and reputation of Nigerian-Americans is what the Senator can joke with whimsically. This is completely unacceptable.����CANAN does not intend at this point to delve into the very nature of global and international scammers, except to say this condemnable practice is not limited to any one country based on available information and research. � �We consider it an insult that a Senator who should be representing the people of his state could turn against some of his very own constituents in what is clearly a reckless and offensive remark.� �There is only one decent option open to Senator Cruz: an unconditional and full apology. While we will be restrained at this point in order to allow for a respectable response from him, CANAN appeals to its teeming members drawn from over 1000 local parishes in the United States, several professional and ethnic groups, to await further developments. � We want to assure our people, that we are not taking this kind of unmitigated insults lying down anymore.��We are respectable, law abiding and outstanding members of the American society. By an account of the Houston Chronicle, our people are the best educated of all groups in the land.� � That Houston Chronicle report of May 20, 2008 was based on US government official census.� � The census shows that while 8 percent of the white population in the US had master�s degree and 1% held doctorates, 17% of Nigerian-Americans hold a Master�s degree and 4% doctorates. �

* 37% of Nigerians in America have first degree compared to 19% of our white American brothers!

* Compared to the Asians, Nigerians are still tops in this country as education goes. 12% of Asian-Americans have Master�s and 3% doctorates! Compare that to 17% of Nigerian-Americans who hold Master�s degree and 4% doctorates.

There is every reason for us to challenge some of this ignorant stereotypes and the time to start has come!

� ����...Signed by: Laolu Akande {Executive Director, CANAN}, �Dr. Christy Ogbeide {Houston Chapter Coordinator} & Pastor Banjo Olaniyan {Houston Chapter Secretary}. �

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[Mobolaji Aluko]

Ken Harrow:

If you know a right-wing or conservative petition-accepting website on which I can repeat the Moveon.org petition calling out Ted Cruz, please let me have it so that I can get that balance.

Thanks.   

Bolaji Aluko

[Mobolaji Aluko]

Ken Asagwara:

When you wrote below that

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Do you know something else that has surfaced here because of Ted Cruz? Over the years that I have been in the Nigerian internet forums, I do not recall any dedicated discussions by Nigerians in open condemnations of the email scammers and the damage they do to Nigeria’s image. If anything, I have heard and read some of us Nigerians, grinning how “smart Nigerians” outsmart greedy whites/foreigners that fall for their scams. For me, that says a lot. If Ted Cruz calling out “Nigeria’s email scammers” begins concerned Nigerians discussing openly this ogre and its associated stigma that rubs off on every Nigerian, why not? Let the discussions continue after our petition is sent to Ted Cruz.

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you show either an abysmal amnesia, chose then to read or listen to only one side of the story,  or are feinting a deliberate attempt to lie.

Come with me....

During the heights (or depths) of 419 in the late 1990s/early 2000s - before Nuhu Ribadu as EFCC Chair came on to tackle it head on - there were SERIOUS debates on 419 on many Nigerian forums, with many people weighing in on both sides of the victims and victimizers, with yours truly always weighing in HEAVILY against the victimizers.  To debunk what you wrote, this was what the (Anti)419 Coalition website [http://home.rica.net/alphae/419coal/index.htm]  has on the matter:

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http://home.rica.net/alphae/419coal/niorg.htm

NIGERIAN ORGANIZATIONS FIGHTING THE SCAM[This is a 1996 Document]There are many well known and reputable Nigerian Organizations which fight the Scam. Among the most prominent of these is the Association of Nigerians Abroad (ANA).

While IIS and the 419 Coalition differ Significantly with the ANA on the causation of, responsibility for, and exact methods and specifics to be used to control the Scam, we cooperate with ANA on Matters of Mutual Interest.

The Nigerian Democratic Movement (NDM) has issued a series of very strong statements supporting our efforts in this matter.

The Organization of Nigerians in the Americas (ONA) supports our efforts in this matter.

Other expatriate Nigerian Organizations which condemn the Scam are:

The International Roundtable on Nigeria (IRTON)
The National Liberation Council (NALICON)
The Global Network of Nigerian Organizations (GNNO)
The Nigerian Alliance for Democracy (NAD)
The Nigerian Freedom Foundation (NFF)
Nigerians for Democracy (NIFORD)
The United Nigeria League (UNL)
The World Union of Nigerians (WUN)

Some of the organizations within Nigeria which condemn the Scam are:

The Campaign for Democracy (CD)
The Civil Liberties Organization (CLO)
The Committee for the Defence of Human Rights (CDHR)
The National Association of Democratic Lawyers (NADL)
The Constitutional Rights Project (CRP)
The National Democratic Coalition (NADECO)

We are grateful for all support which we receive in this matter and will work with any organization which wishes to stop the Scam.

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I was a member and officer in at least five of these Diaspora organizations (ANA, NDM (I was President), IRTON, NFF, NALICON,GNNO), and we never spared the 419 people, even though indeed there were people who blamed the victims far more than the victimizers.

Personally, I have written a number of  essays on corruption in general and 419 in particular over the years, arising from discussions on various fora:

1.  SUNDAY MUSINGS: On Corruption in Nigeria - "419: The Game is Not Over!"   September 17, 2000 http://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/AlukoArchives/conversations/topics/38 

2.  On 419(Again!) and Nigerian Perceptions - Confronting the crime /  Oct 9, 2002 

 http://www.dawodu.com/aluko22.htm

3.  FRIDAY ESSAY: How and Why Corruption Persists in Nigeria – And Some Simple Things to Do About It

November 26, 2004

http://nigerianmuse.com/essays/?u=corruption_nigeria_how_why.htm

http://www.nigerianmuse.com/20061228122222zg/sections/pictures-maps-cartoons/friday-essay-how-and-why-corruption-persists-in-nigeria-and-some-simple-things-to-do-about-it/

 

4,  http://www.nigeriavillagesquare1.com/Articles/mobolaji_aluko/2000/02/on-nigerian-criminality-and-public.html

On Nigerian Criminality and Public Accountability

February 20, 2000

 

Here is an excerpt on one of them, 11 years and a few days ago :

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http://www.dawodu.com/aluko22.htm

On 419(Again!) and Nigerian Perceptions - Confronting the crime.

 

by

 

Mobolaji Aluko

alu...@aol.com

 

Wednesday, October 9, 2002

Introduction

I wish to give to readers here some benefit of my interventions on 419 on another Nigerian forum. So I am repackaging some of the information to suit the present forum. If the presentation is not linear, it is because I have not fully linearized the original submissions, which were often responses to other interventions that I have omitted here.

Nigerian Perceptions of 419

I continue to hope that many more of my Nigerian compatriots will see reason about this "419" business, that its EFFECT on Nigerian international commerce is ASYMMETRIC with respect to the US and other foreign nations, and that we NIGERIANS should not be spending so much time propounding "Gotcha" theories of Anti-Colonialism and racism.

Some of the people being scammed too are Nigerian-Americans, so those Nigerian-Americans too have a right to object to "Americans" being scammed. We should not always have at the back of our minds that the only Americans are White, blue-eyed foreigners, or even who we call "Afro-Americans."! :-)

Why am I so passionate against 419? Quite frankly, I am TIRED of the psychological trauma one faces when you want to do business involving Nigeria from here, and you have to hem and haw and show that "YOU ARE CLEAN o, just in case you think I want to 419 you!" - and you pull all kinds of rank.

Or you say that you wish to do business in "West Africa" - only to reveal that Nigeria is "well, just one of those countries..." when in fact it is out of concern that naming Nigeria might put your potential partners off!

Another quick background

I lived in the UK for 18 months between 1977 and 1978. I have lived in this USA CONTINUOUSLY from December 1978 till today, and have been a dual citizen of the US and Nigeria for six years now. In the US, I have lived in California, New York, Maryland/DC, Washington State for various lengths of time. So I know a little of what I speak about changed Western (i.e. British, American) attitudes to Africans, and to Nigerians in particular.

Before the early-to-mid 1990s, this Nigerian FELT absolutely NO QUEASINESS about telling ANYBODY that I am a Nigerian. That is, I did not expect a retort like "Oh, I read that you were ranked the most corrupt country....Oh, I heard a lot of people were killed there yesterday.....Oh, I hear that the guy who won your presidential election, the guy who was in prison? A-B-I-O-L-A? I hear he died in prison!......Oh Abacha, he died too!.Oh, I just got a letter yesterday; my Nigerian friend says it is called 419......Oh...Oh, I just signed a letter to make sure that some girl is not stoned to death for fornication by some Muslim fundamentalists in your country....I hear that you cut off hands in Nigeria!" etc., etc.

What I used to hear was "Man, you guys are smart in class! If you see the guy in my class, he answers all the questions, and we all wanted to be in his study group! I can see that you are smart too, like all of those other..... Man, your country is filthy rich, a lot of oil! I am sure that you have a lot of money in your pocket.......Are you Igbo Biafra or Yoruba?.......You have a good soccer team! Man, I like Kanu Nwankwo and Jay-Jay!...."

And so on. Now, because of all the bad things they hear about Nigeria, they wonder whether that "smart guy in class" is not cheating his way - like they cheat back in your country? They wonder what is the point of being oil-rich if so many people die in Jesse trying to scoop up oil from a deliberately broken pipe......and wonder about a country that has so much talent like Kanu and Jay-Jay, but never quite seem to achieve in the league that it should.

If those things DON'T bother us, I wonder what does. If they don't bother us, then we will have NO PASSION to change them around, no matter whether it is some White, Blue or Green racist rubbing it in. A number of Nigerians have probably not lived in the West long enough to see Nigeria and Nigerians move from a position of respectability to one of complete disrespect, particularly in the business community, because of our 419 reputation, then they cannot fathom what I am talking about. All they have learnt is the latter situation - and it rightly grates on their patriotic sensibilities, and they charge "racism."

Since when? Why were Nigerians not such objects of racism back in the 1970s and early 80s?

..... read more in...http://www.dawodu.com/aluko22.htm

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So please spare us Nigerians your selective amnesia.

And there you have it.

Bolaji Aluko

PS:  I am happy that you wrote that "Let the discussions continue after our petition is sent to Ted Cruz" - but have you signed yet?  There are now 408 signatories and counting - after just one day!  Don't be left out.

On Fri, Oct 25, 2013 at 7:23 PM, Asagwara, Ken (EDU) <Ken.As...@gov.mb.ca> wrote:

Dr. Ola Kassim:

 

Thanks for your response addressed to me. I am sure you know we both share amicable internets forums relationship, plus mutual respect for each other, the differences in any positions we may take on any issue(s) notwithstanding. It is from that understanding that I am responding to you.

 

Please know this. Before I made my comments regarding this issue, I thought about the man, Senator Ted Cruz and his comments in simultaneous manner. This is what I mean. Senator Ted Cruz, the Republican Party/Tea Party rightwing demagogue extremist, I detest for his visceral racist dislike for President Obama; his odious stand against The Affordable Health Care Act aka Obama Care steaming from his dislike for President Obama. And his unconscionable insistence on shutting down the US government to score cheap political points not minding the collateral economic cost of $24 billion dollars. In the entire gamut of the USA politics, he is not a friend of the African-American. For that, if it were within my call alone, he will cease being a Senator of the US Senate. That for me, is Ted Cruz, the man. Like I said, I detest him.

 

Now; about his comments regarding the “Nigerian email scammers”, I still stand by my earlier position which was that, any Nigerian that wishes to protest what he said should go ahead and do so. I don’t intend to do so because, he did not generalize that all Nigerians are email scammers. If there is any of you, my readers that say otherwise, please, show me where and how, what he said about “Nigerian email scammers” means a generalization of all Nigerians. And if you say, why should he single out “Nigerian email scammers” when fraudsters are found in every land and clime? I will say, yours is the two wrongs make a right fallacy argument. For me personally, I have had professional and social colleagues tease me about the ruination of Nigeria’s name and image by the Nigerian 419ners, credit card and bank fraud, Nigeria’s oil bunkering, etc. Though often, one may be made to feel, such teasing is in the lighter mood. But any discerning  mind knows, it connotes a lot more than what is apparent.

 

Do you know something else that has surfaced here because of Ted Cruz? Over the years that I have been in the Nigerian internet forums, I do not recall any dedicated discussions by Nigerians in open condemnations of the email scammers and the damage they do to Nigeria’s image. If anything, I have heard and read some of us Nigerians, grinning how “smart Nigerians” outsmart greedy whites/foreigners that fall for their scams. For me, that says a lot. If Ted Cruz calling out “Nigeria’s email scammers” begins concerned Nigerians discussing openly this ogre and its associated stigma that rubs off on every Nigerian, why not? Let the discussions continue after our petition is sent to Ted Cruz.

 

I could write a lot more in response but in the interest of time, that is the much I have time for, presently.

 

Cheers.

 

Mazi KC Prince Asagwara

 

 

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