In updating my blog about the results of the Scottish Independence Referendum I inevitably thought of the case of Nigeria and Biafra - if those who want to secede have the right to do so peacefully...
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One commodity that is in abundant supply in the U.K. and in short supply in African countries, is goodwill. The British people understand that remaining part of the U.K has to be the choice of the Scottish people. They respect that choice. Understanding like this is not shared all over the world. It is not just an African problem. Remember India/Pakistan (Kashmir), Yugoslavia, Turkey (the Kurds), and Indonesia among others? One better not recall Nigeria where they even came up with a slogan- “To keep Nigeria one is a task that must be done” without thinking through why the task is worth the trouble and other costs?
Anyone who followed the U.K. referendum debates would have heard and appreciated the arguments made for and against Scottish independence. The better arguments (economics, nation gravitas) prevailed in my opinion. Goodwill helped to ensure that the system allowed the law to inform the process. The law was put to good and effective use. The Scottish parliament requested a referendum. The parliament in London granted it. The rest of the U.K. neither threatened nor military attacked Scotland. The Prime Minister in London appointed a date. Both sides in the fight made their case to the Scottish people. The people voted. The outcome was a “No” vote. The outcome is respected. The Scottish First Minister’s following the loss resigned. He, remaining in office was no longer tenable. A “Yes” vote would have meant the Prime minister resignation for the same reason.
The U.K. like Canada and Czechoslovakian before her, has set another standard for the world on the matter of self-determination. It was known that a forced marriage is most likely to be an unhappy marriage. The people want their country to work. They do not desire to live in a country with a nation of a majority of unwilling citizens. There are some who take offense when some countries are called advance democracies. The example set by the U.K. is one reason why.
Should it not be a matter of great concern that people are fighting and dying to preserve African countries clobbered together by colonial powers for their benefit? I mean countries that do not work, are unlikely to do so any time soon, and produce leaders who do not want their country to work as the countries should?
The British Historian David Reynolds proposed that a nation may be a civic nation- based on institutions, laws, and sense of community, or an ethnic nation- based on common ancestral origin and culture. Most African countries are neither. Can African countries be more successful countries? Yes of course. They must have produce leaders who will work to ensure this success. Such a leadership should know when remaining one country may be no use in the long term. Those who have heads, let them use them.
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Lord Ogugua Anunoby,
(Please accept the respectful honorific)
In 1981 the Federation comprised nineteen states. Based on the reality that at that time Rivers State was producing 56% of Nigeria’s oil revenue which was fuelling the Federal budget, Senator Francis Ellah (Umoku, Ekpeye District) was able to come to a just and equitable mathematical distribution of budget allocations by creating thirteen states out of what was then Rivers State...
All said and done if the Federal Government went ahead and started granting people the right to hold referendums with a view to secession, then in no time at all there would be no Nigeria left – I think that everybody would secede.
Are we not to assume that the major ethnic enclaves in Nigeria would want to hold their own referendum? I guess that there would be some rigging and other fraudulent activities that would either deliver or sabotage the intended results – a referendum as an internal affair would probably produce the results intended by those who want to hold a referendum - and in Igboland, given such a democratic opportunity to determine their own future, WHY shouldn’t the Igbo people with all of their bitter historic experience not vote overwhelming to obtain Biafra by civilised, peaceful means?
As you mentioned,
“The Scottish parliament requested a referendum. The parliament in London granted it. The rest of the U.K. neither threatened nor militarily attacked Scotland.”
I guess that if Nigerians has that kind of democratic option and say, my Kalabari brother Alhaji Mujahid Asari-Dokubo happens to be Rivers State’s First Minister or Governor, he would be one of the very first people to be applying for a Federal permit for his nation to hold a referendum, in order to nationalise or Ijaw-ize all 56% of the Niger oil on his side of the state border.
We should take the goodwill of his people as for granted.
And you know as well as I do that what is usually referred to as “The North” - the landlocked north, would not permit that such a thing should happen. Swifter than an eagle, Boko Haram – and not only the forces of Boko Haram would be paddling their canoes in the Riverine areas fighting “ to keep Nigeria United”
Over here too, Sweden and Norway were one country and are now two countries, at peace with each other.
Sincerely,
CH
Lord Ogugua Anunoby,
(Please accept the respectful honorific)
In 1981 the Federation comprised nineteen states. Based on the reality that at that time Rivers State was producing 56% of Nigeria’s oil revenue which was fuelling the Federal budget, Senator Francis Ellah (Umoku, Ekpeye District) was able to come to a just and equitable mathematical distribution of budget allocations by creating thirteen states out of what was then Rivers State...
All said and done if the Federal Government went ahead and started granting people the right to hold referendums with a view to secession, then in no time at all there would be no Nigeria left – I think that everybody would secede.
Are we not to assume that the major ethnic enclaves in Nigeria would want to hold their own referendum? I guess that there would be some rigging and other fraudulent activities that would either deliver or sabotage the intended results – a referendum as an internal affair would probably produce the results intended by those who want to hold a referendum - and in Igboland, given such a democratic opportunity to determine their own future, WHY shouldn’t the Igbo people with all of their bitter historic experience not vote overwhelming to obtain Biafra by civilised, peaceful means?
As you mentioned,
“The Scottish parliament requested a referendum. The parliament in London granted it. The rest of the U.K. neither threatened nor militarily attacked Scotland.”
I guess that if Nigerians has that kind of democratic option and say, my Kalabari brother Alhaji Mujahid Asari-Dokubo happens to be Rivers State’s First Minister or Governor, he would be one of the very first people to be applying for a Federal permit for his nation to hold a referendum, in order to nationalise or Ijaw-ize all 56% of the Niger oil on his side of the state border.
We should take the goodwill of his people as for granted.
And you know as well as I do that what is usually referred to as “The North” - the landlocked north, would not permit that such a thing should happen. Swifter than an eagle, Boko Haram – and not only the forces of Boko Haram would be paddling their canoes in the Riverine areas fighting “ to keep Nigeria United”
Over here too, Sweden and Norway were one country and are now two countries, at peace with each other.
Sincerely,
CH
My dear Cornelius,
“And you know as well as I do that what is usually referred to as “The North” - the landlocked north, would not permit that such a thing should happen. Swifter than an eagle, Boko Haram – and not only the forces of Boko Haram would be paddling their canoes in the Riverine areas fighting “ to keep Nigeria United”
I do not. Are you suggesting that a forced unhappy marriage is better than a freely entered, happy marriage? I remind you that both Chad and the Niger Republics to the north of Nigeria are landlocked. They are more peaceful countries than Nigeria is today. Being landlocked is not the problem you suggest it might be. Boko Haram does not want a united Nigeria. Boko Haram wants a Nigeria Boko Haram will dominate.
Your hero Awolowo himself called Nigeria “a geographical expression”. His preference seemed to be an O’dua republic. He is right to the extent that Nigeria was put together by Great Britain (no consultation or consent of the people), did not seem to be working for a majority of Nigerians in his opinion, and is neither a “civic” nor an “ethnic” nation? If Nigerians however as Azikiwe believed, take advantage of the natural advantages of this creature, leverage to its strengths, de-emphasize her weaknesses, and together build a great achieving society, Nigeria will cease to be a geographical expression that Awolowo said she was.
Have you bothered to ask yourself why Nigeria’s wholeness has remained an enduring question for many Nigerians and non-Nigerians? Is it not about time Nigeria’s unity is a settled subject? Would you answer truthfully? Is the Boko Haram insurgency not evidence that Nigeria as she presently operates, may not be working for some Muslims?
You see countries do not exist for their own sake. Countries should be purposive creations. They should promise and deliver synergistic benefits to the vast majority of their citizens. The “NO’ vote in Scotland is elegant evidence of this assertion. A majority of Scots believe that their lives and their children’s, will be better if Scotland remained a part of the U.K. The U.K to a majority of Scots promises more and better than an independent Scotland at this time. Importantly, independence for Scotland was not a reason to go to war.
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John,
Should like not be treated as like? Is the UK historically and politically the same as the African countries where agitation exist?
Failure to identify the differences suggest lazy thinking and failure to appreciate the underlying economic order and the political dynamics that keep politically charged units together or apart.
Once you start a process similar to the referendum in Scotland you will unleash an irreversible balkanization of African states whose current boundaries are weak and arbitrary and you may discover that over a thousand years of misery and uncertainty may be unwittingly unleashed.
EUROPE is not AFRICA and Scotland within the United Kingdom has no comparative in Africa.
Cheers.
IBK
“The rest of the U.K. neither threatened nor militarily attacked Scotland.”
Westminster did not threaten with arms but used fear tactics about the economy to scare the Scottish nationalists.
They were warned that the new country would have to pay part of the national debt and would face financial
roadblocks with respect to their national currency. Banks and other financial institutions also threatened to withdraw
from Scotland. It is not clear whether the government had a hand in this but the prospect of economic doom
certainly scared a lot of the folks who were sitting on the fence before then.
Prof Gloria Emeagwali
History Department
CCSU
Fight Ebola
Lord Ogugua Anunoby,
Your dear Cornelius must confess that it's a relief that you do not share his prejudices about Nigeria. Those prejudices are easily arrived at except for those who are immune / immunized against such prejudices.
Mind you, some of the prejudice/ wisdom is born of experience, such as there is a section of Igbos who are fanatically Christian, such as that the self- righteous followers of Jesus nearly drowned me in that river in Umuahia with “a full immersion baptism”, such as that all the habitués at The White House in Owerri where Dr. Sir Warrior & the Oriental Brothers used to keep the night birds happy till the wee hours) that they (without exception) believed that “Hausa man” is synonymous with or a code word for Muslim.
Many years ago I met a Hausaman, a “Rev. Mohammed” here in Stockholm; he was doing some research at the political science department, Stockholm University, under the tutelage of my dear friend Professor Björn Beckman. So I do know that there are exceptions to the rule. But Rev + Mohammed is an anomaly and a contradiction in terms, I told him; how can they live together in peace and harmony? Do your Muslim brothers and sisters not get offended up there in Kano, after all Muhammed is not a Christian name, abi? The real question of course is, that
“Ebony and Ivory live together in
perfect harmony
side by side on my piano keyboard, Oh Lord, why don't we?”
I'm impressed that far beyond prejudice you have a vision, an end goal in sight, namely that we shall, “together build a great achieving society”
I seriously suggest that you start writing some of the good luck speeches.
Your words: “...countries do not exist for their own sake. Countries should be purposive creations. They should promise and deliver synergistic benefits to the vast majority of their citizens.” – concur with the first paragraph of Shaykh AbdalQadir al-Sufi HERE
Everyone knows that the main problem is the ethnic complexity / diversity of the amalgamation called Nigeria, born as recently as 1914. As we know, some people have been around for a very long time. It reminds me of Chaim Weizmann quipping with Lord Arthur Balfour who wanted to offer the twelve tribes of Israel and their descendants (Uganda?) as the Almighty’s Promised Land :
“Weizmann tried to explain why the Zionists could not accept a home anywhere but Jerusalem.”Suppose," he said, "I were to offer you Paris instead of London." "But, Dr Weizmann, we have London," Balfour replied. "That is true," Weizmann said, "but we had Jerusalem when London was a marsh."
"Are there many Jews who think like you?" wondered Balfour. "I believe I speak the minds of millions of Jews," replied Weizmann. "It is curious," Balfour remarked, "the Jews I meet are quite different." "Mr Balfour," said Weizmann, "you meet the wrong kind of Jews." (Others meet the wrong kind of Yoruba)
Islam says that God made people in various tribes and nations, so that we would get to know each other – but even as the population of Nigeria gets to the 180 million mark bear in mind the meanings of dar-al harb and dar al Islam
Indeed Sir, “Is the Boko Haram insurgency not evidence that Nigeria as she presently operates, may not be working for some Muslims?” As you notice it’s not only Nigeria that’s suffering carnage at the hands of Muslims. There’s Iraq, Syria, Libya, and they’re getting a little more agitated in Judea and Samaria too.
Meanwhile, the devils in Boko Haram will triumphantly assert, that Islam’s prophet Muhammad (S.A.W.) is “a mercy to the world“ but at the same time they would tremble or maybe not tremble if this question were to be posed by the one they refer to as Allah subhan t’ala: Why are you so mercilessly killing your own people?
The reason why if e.g. Rivers State seceded ( by referendum) not only Boko Haram but other parts of Nigeria would be paddling their canoes and fighting in the creeks of the Delta Niger "to keep Nigeria United" – is not only because (like Ethiopia) they too would like to have access to the Sea, the main reason is that they depend on the oil revenues to finance all the development programmes that are needed, especially in Northern Nigeria - because by definition, the oil belongs to the whole nation...
The Scottish referendum is a facile example readily at hand now a fact of history to be summoned by Catalonia, Quebec, and a fate that could have been averted by Biafra, South Sudan. “Why can’t we be like Scotland?” In that respect I presume that the Igbo , the Yoruba, the Hausa, the Fulani, the IJaw, Efik, Ogoni have a strong identity, a shared language, culture, history. I visit the Biafra sites from time to time and these days I hear the words of First Minister Alex Salmond breaking into my ears: “..let us not dwell on the distance we have fallen short, let us dwell on the distance we have travelled and have confidence the movement is abroad in Scotland that will take this nation forward and we shall go forward as one nation.”
Sincerely,
CH
( We Sweden )
Anunoby,
The wholeness of any political entity is always an issue. Some contest land with the Igwe of your fictitious autonomous community just as Texas wants to stand alone as a country and by the way Texas is bigger in size than Nigeria. Quebec wants out of Canada and so on and so forth. Trust me it will not happen in our lifetimes.
Cheers.
IBK
-- kenneth w. harrow faculty excellence advocate professor of english michigan state university department of english 619 red cedar road room C-614 wells hall east lansing, mi 48824 ph. 517 803 8839 har...@msu.edu
Is a presumed “scare” a scare if it is factual?
Is “irreversible balkanization” of African states justification enough for the poverty, misery, and death that Africans continue to endure?
Is it the case that national boundaries are weak partly because they are arbitrary?
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John,
“Everyone knows that the main problem is the ethnic complexity / diversity of the amalgamation called Nigeria, born as recently as 1914.”
A challenge without a solution is not a problem in my opinion. A challenge is a problem when it has a solution- can be resolved satisfactorily. You say that “the ethnic complexity / diversity” is Nigeria’s main problem. Let’s say that is correct. So what is your solution to this “main problem”? Would the solution be deepening/worsening the complexity/diversity? Would it be forever living with the problem- accept it as a condition of existence? Is the cost to country and citizens of the problem not too high already? You just think about the loss of lives and fortune that has been endured.
I am more inclined to think that Nigeria’s problem is the absence of a “sense of national purpose” for lack of a more diligent phrase. There are too many divergent, (perhaps irreconcilable) views on what the country should be about. I am not proposing 100 percent unanimity I might add. It seems to me that until there is less divergence and therefore more convergence of views, the benefits of citizenship will more likely remain a forlorn hope for a majority of citizens.
The promissory note (to borrow a great man’s words) Nigerians were given at independence is still outstanding. The worry for many Nigerians is that it may never mature. I believe that it would mature if all essential hands are on deck, working assiduously to actualize that expectation.
Every country is a patch-work of land and people put together by one or more founders. Nigeria’s problem is not that it was sewn together by a colonial power. her problem it seems to me, is that Nigerians have been unable to reach a consensus on some fundamentals of statehood, respect them, and build on them for the benefit of the largest number.
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Lord Ogugua Anunoby,
Your dear Cornelius must confess that it's a relief that you do not share his prejudices about Nigeria. Those prejudices are easily arrived at except for those who are immune / immunized against such prejudices.
Mind you, some of the prejudice/ wisdom is born of experience, such as there is a section of Igbos who are fanatically Christian, such as that the self- righteous followers of Jesus nearly drowned me in that river in Umuahia with “a full immersion baptism”, such as that all the habitués at The White House in Owerri where Dr. Sir Warrior & the Oriental Brothers used to keep the night birds happy till the wee hours) that they (without exception) believed that “Hausa man” is synonymous with or a code word for Muslim.
Many years ago I met a Hausaman, a “Rev. Mohammed” here in Stockholm; he was doing some research at the political science department, Stockholm University, under the tutelage of my dear friend Professor Björn Beckman. So I do know that there are exceptions to the rule. But Rev + Mohammed is an anomaly and a contradiction in terms, I told him; how can they live together in peace and harmony? Do your Muslim brothers and sisters not get offended up there in Kano, after all Muhammed is not a Christian name, abi? The real question of course is, that
“Ebony and Ivory live together in perfect harmony
side by side on my piano keyboard, Oh Lord, why don't we?”
I'm impressed that far beyond prejudice you have a vision, an end goal in sight, namely that we shall, “together build a great achieving society”
I seriously suggest that you start writing some of the good luck speeches.
Your words: “...countries do not exist for their own sake. Countries should be purposive creations. They should promise and deliver synergistic benefits to the vast majority of their citizens.” – concur with the first paragraph of Shaykh AbdalQadir al-Sufi HERE
As we know, some people have been around for a very long time. It reminds me of Chaim Weizmann quipping with Lord Arthur Balfour who wanted to offer the twelve tribes of Israel and their descendants (Uganda?) as the Almighty’s Promised Land :
This is a repost please.
A great thought Ken but what are the alternatives?
oa
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-- kenneth w. harrow faculty excellence advocate professor of english michigan state university department of english 619 red cedar road room C-614 wells hall east lansing, mi 48824 ph. 517 803 8839 har...@msu.edu
The aforementioned problems exist and await continued analysis and not just the ideally theoretical but practical recommendations that can be implemented. The questions are meant for the experts not the dilettantes. This is not meant to be unserious or flirtatious
Gloria in excelis mea and Pan-Africanist gentlemen all:
First to the tempter, Alagba Rabbi Harrow,
about “texas can go “
Can go back to México ?
My friend Ali (Abu Muhammad, from Baghdad) likes to “jokes” with me. Every time he sees me he smiles (this is during the last Iraq (-USA) War and he says, “We’re we responsible for THE HOLOCAUST? Aki, the Germans are not Arab! So if the Germans steal some of the German Jews lands, then let the Germans give the Jews part of Germany! And I want you to ask George W. Bush this question: instead of giving the Yehudi half of Arab Palestine which does not belong to him, why doesn’t he give them half of Texas”? Repetition. Like a machine gun. Learning by rote, in the sense that voluntarily (and sometimes involuntarily too) it gets drummed in your ears or through your eyes, or both. Every time we met he would smile and always say exactly the same thing, no seventy two holy virgins: “Go tell George Bush that he can go to hell!”
In my amateur review, Nigeria can be seen as a microcosm of Africa and on a broader platform, of the African Union which incorporates all of the African member states. Unlike Scotland, one of the problems that Nigeria does not suffer from is size or a lack of population. Size Doesn't Matter versus the bigger the better. Behold Nigeria “the giant of Africa!” – Glory be to “The sleeping lion of Africa,”, “The Great Elephant!” etc
How does a country like Nigeria, rapidly develop an inclusive national sense. (All Nigerians that I have met out of Nigeria - they do complain about corruption and this or that president occasionally going haywire but they are always most exuberantly N-I-G-E-R-I-A-N . A model...
How is Nigerian history taught in today’s Nigeria? In seven years of secondary school till “A” levels, all I learned was all I learned was English History from 1485 to 1965, a few special topics such as the American War of Independence and of course, the history of the British Empire under Queen Victoria. Is it any wonder that my classmate, Akintola Wyse later on became a professor of African history?
The analysis must make effectible recommendations about how to wipe out corruption.
The clash of individualisms that characterise African states was brought into dramatic focus when President Robert Mugabe of Zimbabwe expressed some sorrow that Zimbabweans were becoming "like Nigeria" when it came to corruption If you remember these remarks generated some strong feelings of nationalism and national indignation in Abuja and even in some of the Diaspora Nigerians and caused a diplomatic furore. Now if Nigeria were but a state (one state) in the United States of Africa, this would have been an entirely internal matter...
Political Nigeria is the North /South, East-West, North –South East – South-West AXIS. In the past decade the periphery of the Middle Belt has expanded and incorporated more middle ground...
Lord Anunoby re – Your juxtaposition of my hero Chief Obafemi Awolowo with Zik dramatises what you see as divergent and what I see as not irreconcilable but in fact overlapping positions. (My wife researched ZIk in the colonial archives of the British Museum from June to September, 1971). OK, so we have “ Zik of Africa”. Jesus operated in Judea and Awo achieved great things in Western Nigeria where he was able to exercise most influence and is currently a role model for those who are ambitious enough to implement universal primary education and health care – and by the way congratulations : I see that Imo tops the tables when it comes to school enrolment and health care...
Lord Anunoby, May the Almighty save me from some of your prejudices! Chinua Achebe was against giving Awo a national funeral on the grounds that our great Chief Obafemi Awolowo , his exact words, “was not an Igbo god” and I guess that you are coming from the same place – or are you coming from the other place? ( Smile)
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The aforementioned problems exist and await continued analysis and not just the ideally theoretical but practical recommendations that can be implemented. The questions are meant for the experts not the dilettantes. This is not meant to be unserious or flirtatious
Gloria in excelis mea and Pan-Africanist gentlemen all:
First to the tempter, Alagba Rabbi Harrow,
about “texas can go “
Can go back to México ?
My friend Ali (Abu Muhammad, from Baghdad) likes to “jokes” with me. Every time he sees me he smiles (this is during the last Iraq (-USA) War and he says, “We’re we responsible for THE HOLOCAUST? Aki, the Germans are not Arab! So if the Germans steal some of the German Jews lands, then let the Germans give the Jews part of Germany! And I want you to ask George W. Bush this question: instead of giving the Yehudi half of Arab Palestine which does not belong to him, why doesn’t he give them half of Texas”? Repetition. Like a machine gun. Learning by rote, in the sense that voluntarily (and sometimes involuntarily too) it gets drummed in your ears or through your eyes, or both. Every time we met he would smile and always say exactly the same thing, no seventy two holy virgins: “Go tell George Bush that he can go to hell!”
In my amateur review, Nigeria can be seen as a microcosm of Africa and on a broader platform, of the African Union which incorporates all of the African member states. Unlike Scotland, one of the problems that Nigeria does not suffer from is size or a lack of population. Size Doesn't Matter versus the bigger the better. Behold Nigeria “the giant of Africa!” – Glory be to “The sleeping lion of Africa,”, “The Great Elephant!” etc
How does a country like Nigeria, rapidly develop an inclusive national sense. (All Nigerians that I have met out of Nigeria - they do complain about corruption and this or that president occasionally going haywire but they are always most exuberantly N-I-G-E-R-I-A-N . A model...
How is Nigerian history taught in today’s Nigeria? In seven years of secondary school till “A” levels, all I learned was all I learned was English History from 1485 to 1965, a few special topics such as the American War of Independence and of course, the history of the British Empire under Queen Victoria. Is it any wonder that my classmate, Akintola Wyse later on became a professor of African history?
The analysis must make effectible recommendations about how to wipe out corruption.
The clash of individualisms that characterise African states was brought into dramatic focus when President Robert Mugabe of Zimbabwe expressed some sorrow that Zimbabweans were becoming "like Nigeria" when it came to corruption If you remember these remarks generated some strong feelings of nationalism and national indignation in Abuja and even in some of the Diaspora Nigerians and caused a diplomatic furore. Now if Nigeria were but a state (one state) in the United States of Africa, this would have been an entirely internal matter...
Political Nigeria is the North /South, East-West, North –South East – South-West AXIS. In the past decade the periphery of the Middle Belt has expanded and incorporated more middle ground...
Lord Anunoby re – Your juxtaposition of my hero Chief Obafemi Awolowo with Zik dramatises what you see as divergent and what I see as not irreconcilable but in fact overlapping positions. (My wife researched ZIk in the colonial archives of the British Museum from June to September, 1971). OK, so we have “ Zik of Africa”. Jesus operated in Judea and Awo achieved great things in Western Nigeria where he was able to exercise most influence and is currently a role model for those who are ambitious enough to implement universal primary education and health care – and by the way congratulations : I see that Imo tops the tables when it comes to school enrolment and health care...
Lord Anunoby, May the Almighty save me from some of your prejudices! Chinua Achebe was against giving Awo a national funeral on the grounds that our great Chief Obafemi Awolowo , his exact words, “was not an Igbo god” and I guess that you are coming from the same place – or are you coming from the other place? ( Smile)
also, to anticipate what would surely be cornelius's question, yes, let texas go!
ken
On 9/20/14, 3:05 PM, kenneth harrow wrote:
i only wish the rest of the world would accept secession subject to vote rather than war.
consider how many died in sudan. was it up to 4 million people? before finally s sudan became a separate state.
there is something about the nation state that fosters extreme violence. we need to step back a second and consider whether it merits our undevoted acceptance of it as a normal entity
ken
On 9/20/14, 10:03 AM, Emeagwali, Gloria (History) wrote:
“The rest of the U.K. neither threatened nor militarily attacked Scotland.”
Westminster did not threaten with arms but used fear tactics about the economy to scare the Scottish nationalists.
They were warned that the new country would have to pay part of the national debt and would face financial
roadblocks with respect to their national currency. Banks and other financial institutions also threatened to withdraw
from Scotland. It is not clear whether the government had a hand in this but the prospect of economic doom
certainly scared a lot of the folks who were sitting on the fence before then.
Prof Gloria Emeagwali
History Department
CCSU
Fight Ebola
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-- kenneth w. harrow faculty excellence advocate professor of english michigan state university department of english 619 red cedar road room C-614 wells hall east lansing, mi 48824 ph. 517 803 8839 har...@msu.edu
If wishes were horses, beggars would ride. Wishes are not horses and hard work and superior thinking can develop Africa to the point where they believe in the democratic process as a superior way to sheer aggression issuing from the barrels of the gun.
Cheers.
IBK
the right to self-determination is a fundamental human right, one of the so-called natural rights. It entails the right to choose how and under what state or bureaucratic auspices one will live out one's aspirations. It is, I would argue, sacrosanct.
Ps.
Ken, I know that you are a specialist in Cameroons – Nigeria border relations. (In April 1981 at the height of the oil border dispute I was detained in Port Harcourt for a whole night; they thought that I was Cameroonian because I could not speak correct Nigerian “Broken” like-e-them - so I was detained at the junction of the first traffic lights in downtown Port Harcourt, all night. When my friend Mallah, the speaker of the Rivers State House of Assembly ( who happened to be going by at that unearthly hour) opened the door of his Peugeot and asked me to hop in - at which point the policeman was protesting to Mallah that I had called him a black monkey, Mallah drove away and left me in distress. By dawn the policeman had become a pan-Africanist and a best friend and were sharing a bottle of beer; in fact he invited me to a big party in the mess when Sani Abacha was in town.
Lord Anunoby,
We hear the loquacious upstarts quacking big words, the need for a “systemic change”, a complete overhaul of the system. I guess that there were no quacks at the national conference. What did they have to say about corruption apart from condemning it.? Did they talk about retributive justice?
Relative to comparatives in the Nigeria-Zimbabwe corruption index of commerce, arises this question: Are some parts/ states/ regions of Nigeria (microcosm of Africa) more corrupt than other parts – and if so, how come?
In the recommendations on how to wipe out corruption – from all levels of the Naija nation, from the bottom to those who take responsibility at the top The Law will have to be administered. And to administer /administrate and institutionalise this transition/ transformation in real time, so that the smallies and the medium- sized will say “Behold! The sleeping giant has woken up O! “
If I were a presidential aspirant I’d be talking like that, communicating that kind of a vision of a Great Nigeria in the world and a Nigeria in which Nigerians are capable of solving their own perennial problems at home...
Re - “what effective mechanisms will imprint obedience to the law or the commitment to do the right thing coming out of one's heart and mind”
Since Sharia Law is against bribery and corruption and using unfair scales, can one safely say that the battle is already half won in the Muslim majority Zamfara State which practices Sharia Law, that the imprints on the hearts means that they are preconditioned so to speak for life under Sharia?
Dear Ken,
Don't forget that it's not all of us who live in the United States you know.
It’s only after watching last week’s Dateline London that I understood that by “let texas go!” you must have surely been referring to the very contemporary currents animating The Texas Nationalist Movement !
In my opinion granting that sort of right ( the right to secede) in the Nigerian constitution, would automatically herald the demise of the federation; in no time at all every village will be applying for Independence and setting up shadow presidents, and cabinets...
As you may observe, in my latest blog update have liberally lifted Professor Ochonu’s words “This reality alone calls for a more positive reception for movements which seek alternative political paths and arrangements” out of context and applied them as apt and plausible US policy statement which can explain why the US is reportedly giving Hezbollah Indirect Military Aid...
Over here there used to be some faint tremors coming from the Scania Party – they’re going for want separation and full independence from Mama Sweden. I hope and pray that we will continue to remain, one undivided Sweden with Stockholm as our capital...
Cornelius
also, to anticipate what would surely be cornelius's question, yes, let texas go!
ken
On 9/20/14, 3:05 PM, kenneth harrow wrote:
i only wish the rest of the world would accept secession subject to vote rather than war.
consider how many died in sudan. was it up to 4 million people? before finally s sudan became a separate state.
there is something about the nation state that fosters extreme violence. we need to step back a second and consider whether it merits our undevoted acceptance of it as a normal entity
ken
On 9/20/14, 10:03 AM, Emeagwali, Gloria (History) wrote:
“The rest of the U.K. neither threatened nor militarily attacked Scotland.”
Westminster did not threaten with arms but used fear tactics about the economy to scare the Scottish nationalists.
They were warned that the new country would have to pay part of the national debt and would face financial
roadblocks with respect to their national currency. Banks and other financial institutions also threatened to withdraw
from Scotland. It is not clear whether the government had a hand in this but the prospect of economic doom
certainly scared a lot of the folks who were sitting on the fence before then.
Prof Gloria Emeagwali
History Department
CCSU
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If people after reasonable time cannot live together in peace and harmony, should they not try not living together? It is dangerous to think that countries are indissoluble even when they do not work for a majority of citizens. That in fact is one reason for necessary change not being made.
Size and diversity (not just ethnicity) are desirable when they deliver expected benefits. When they do not, they should not be desirable. Size and diversity should be more strength than weakness. When they are irreversibly more weakness than strength, some serious becomes necessary.