Becoming Genius : Seminar on Cultivating Genius through an Individual/Interpersonal Paradigm of Human Development Inspired by the Work of Omnivorous Scholar Toyin Falola

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Oluwatoyin Vincent Adepoju

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                  Seminar on  Cultivating Genius through an Individual/Interpersonal Paradigm of Human Development  

                                              Inspired by the Work of Omnivorous Scholar Toyin Falola


                                                                                Oluwatoyin Vincent Adepoju

                                                                                            Compcros

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Would you like to be a genius?

 

Would you like to cultivate a level of achievement that can go a long way to shaping humanity?

 

Would you like to actualize a degree of creative power that surprises even you?

 

The origin of the term 'genius' is 'indwelling spirit of a person or a place.'

 

Everyone embodies such a spirit but it is stifled by  conformity to society.

 

The Yoruba concept of ase and the Igbo ike postulate that each person embodies a unique creative potential.

 

Would you like to discover yours?

 

A general view of genius is that it emerges miraculously.

 

The example of Toyin Falola, a scholar, writer, interpersonal builder and institution creator of unprecedented combination of individual/interpersonal  achievement,  makes it clear that genius can be cultivated.


We shall examine the intersection between Falola's example and those of other creatives across time and space, from Setilu, described as the founder of the multidisciplinary  Yoruba Ifa knowledge system, to the Arab philosopher and doctor Ibn Sina, from Aristotle, founder of the disciplinary organization of Western scholarship,  to Leonardo da Vinci, magically unique artist and scientist,  from Wole Soyinka, great imaginative and spiritual writer, to Albert Einstein, who reconfigured humanity's understanding of space, time and energy,  to such figures of contemporary culture as Tim Berners- Lee, founder of the underlying system of the Web, to Bill Gates, creator of Microsoft, one of the most globally impactful companies in history,  Mark Zuckerbeg, founder of Facebook, the world's most successful social media platform,  and Elon Musk, founder of Space-X and Tesla Motors, pioneer in space travel, electric cars and other technologies shaping humanity's future.

 

Falola is what I describe as a systematic genius, a genius whose achievements are reached through the cultivation of a particular lifestyle, a consistent development of orientations and habits that results in genius.

 

Falola's creative development is centred in the correlative  development of self and others.

 

This seminar will introduce you to the manner in which Falola  develops himself and how he develops others and invite you to reflect on how you can apply these observations to yourself.

 

You will be presented with ideas on how to understand yourself and your environment, and work with this understanding in enhancing personal and interpersonal creativity.

 

This understanding is crystallized through my study of Toyin Falola, ongoing since 2018, and integrating my decades long explorations of various streams of knowledge.

 

I have not needed input from Falola nor am I consulting or working with him on this project because the relevant information is in the public domain, only it is inadequately understood by many.  Falola is also hyper-sensitive to the possibility of being seen as self celebrating and so might not be completely comfortable with such a project.

 

The project has to be done anyway, so we may take better advantage of this unique example of creativity. 

 

I have studied Falola's  CV and been following his development since I began close study of him in 2018. I have read a cross-section of his work, examined some of the studies of that work and written and published on various aspects of his productivity. I have spoken with him on a number of occasions. I have compared what I have learnt with what I know of other creatives and filtered what I have understood  through the intimacy represented by my own efforts at self actualization.


 A pattern of orientation and action emerges for me through these engagements. It is that pattern I wish to share with you. 


We shall examine how to apply this knowledge in your own life.

 

All who are interested should contact me using this email address.

 

I am working on deciding the cost and length of time of the seminar and look forward to exploring these parameters with interested participants.

 

Some might want to take the seminar as part of a group or in a private one-on-one session, or both, at different times.

 

Group participation enables sharing ideas with various people.

 

Some people might find a  one-on-one session particularly congenial for  closer examination of their individual needs.

 

The seminar will employ Whatsapp, for smaller groups and one-on-one sessions and Zoom for larger groups.

 

I am an Independent Scholar part of whose work is centred in the comparative exploration of diverse approaches to knowledge. 

 

My latest project in the development of systems of knowledge is the ongoing construction of a philosophy and spirituality inspired by the Yoruba origin Ogboni esoteric order, accessible through the compilation " My Journey in Developing  Universal Ogboni Philosophy and Spirituality, a New School of the Ogboni Esoteric Order."

 

My work across various disciplines, employing varied expressive forms, may be reached through my central website Compcros.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Salimonu Kadiri

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​On Wednesday, 19 September 2018, Oluwatoyin Vincent Adepoju, posted on this forum what he titled, Scholarship in a World of Poor Electricity : The Nigerian Example. In view of Adepoju's claim to metaphysical power to make people become geniuses, I hereby reproduce the afore-mentioned post of his in full.

I have been struggling for days in my home in Lagos with trying to meet externally created and self-generated deadlines on a number of essays.
But there has been a blackout of electricity in our neighbourhood for days.
I have to fall back on prints of essays since access to electronic copies of essays is challenged by poor electricity. How are Nigerian Scholars coping? This situation has not changed for decades. It is horrible. Is it possible to do ones best in such an environment as a Scholar or other creative who requires electricity? May God help Nigeria, Black people and Africa.
Toyin

​If naked person promises to make clothes for one to wear, is it not appropriate to ask why the person self is naked? An educated genius that cannot generate and distribute electricity is to me a  genius in parasitism. Towards the end of April 2020, the power generation in Nigeria, a country of 200 million people, dropped down to 2, 900 Megawatts. https://guardian.ng/news/nigeria-records-electricity-grid-collapse/  
In what could be described as perennial menace, the electricity grip which powers the entire country collapsed in the early hour of Wednesday, leaving the nation in darkness. The grid recorded ...
guardian.ng
​In the wake of this blatant demonstration of gross incompetence in application of knowledge, what Oluwatoyin Vincent Adepoju can offer Nigerians is pre-paid seminars on how to become a genius. After this deception of transforming people into geniuses might have been executed, the next project by the mega-genius will be seminars, instead of the usual and traditional money ritual, on how to get plenty of money without working for it. Now that the proprietor of Seminar on Cultivating genius wants to teach me how to get to the top of the palm-tree without climbing from the bottom, I remember the warning of my late father that I should always distance myself from intellectual aneurysm.
S. Kadiri  



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Great, greater, very great, greatest. Birds of the same feather flock together. True or false? Toyin and Oluwatoyin together, why not? 

Both are Nigerians and both are intellectuals, unlike Jesus’s disciples Peter and his brother Andrew who were mere fishermen - 

until Jesus taught them to be “fishers of men” and indeed they, later on, became great apostles.

Personally, I think that you are being a little too harsh, arrogant and disdainful of the very talented being in our midst as 

Oluwatoyin Vincent Adepoju. In like manner the Jews rejected Jesus, they said, “You’re not Him!” So what if Professor

 Chicken Wings wants to run a course on “Falolaism” and charges $100 for every twenty minutes, can he be legally prevented

 from doing so?  And what if (and this is a question for the theology department of the new religion) what if Bishop Eagle Feathers

 wants to proselytise Oga Falola as the Messiah or as the Mahdi of musicology (Peace be upon him), should the Bishop be 

arrested along with all of his apostles and praise singers?  In my opinion, apart from performing miracles such as transforming 

darkness into light, the geniuses could be working towards this.

Whilst you are busy with your mega-genius I’m still wrestling ( but not in the mud)  with  this question  asked by Einstein:

  "A question that sometimes drives me hazy: Am I or are the others crazy?"

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OLAYINKA AGBETUYI

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Oga Cornelius:

I agree with you that if Vincent Oluwatoyin Adepoju has not said he wanted to do a seminar on how to be a genius in the production of electricity we cannot link the two.  So he has every right to do a seminar on Falolaism and charge those who are willing to pay.

What I dislike is if he is doing work on the intellectual property of others  e.g. Ogboni and using cunny, cunny method to say its different universal Ogboni by trying to turn black into white because the latter scenario is similar to plagiarising and changing the paragraphing to delude the unwary.

The fact I may be unconvinced to attend his seminar  does not mean others cannot attend otherwise I may be charged with anti-intellectualism.

In the academic enterprise there are so many unremarked seminars before you get that paradigm shifter.

OAA





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Great, greater, very great, greatest. Birds of the same feather flock together. True or false? Toyin and Oluwatoyin together, why not? 

Both are Nigerians and both are intellectuals, unlike Jesus’s disciples Peter and his brother Andrew who were mere fishermen - 

until Jesus taught them to be “fishers of men” and indeed they, later on, became great apostles.

Personally, I think that you are being a little too harsh, arrogant and disdainful of the very talented being in our midst as 

Oluwatoyin Vincent Adepoju. In like manner the Jews rejected Jesus, they said, “You’re not Him!” So what if Professor

 Chicken Wings wants to run a course on “Falolaism” and charges $100 for every twenty minutes, can he be legally prevented

 from doing so?  And what if (and this is a question for the theology department of the new religion) what if Bishop Eagle Feathers

 wants to proselytise Oga Falola as the Messiah or as the Mahdi of musicology (Peace be upon him), should the Bishop be 

arrested along with all of his apostles and praise singers?  In my opinion, apart from performing miracles such as transforming 

darkness into light, the geniuses could be working towards this.

Whilst you are busy with your mega-genius I’m still wrestling ( but not in the mud)  with  this question  asked by Einstein:

  "A question that sometimes drives me hazy: Am I or are the others crazy?"


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Lord Agbetuyi,

Please permit my little ramble.

We are in essential agreement about your paragraph one. There are serious problems with your paragraph two. Toyin as intellectually curious and inquisitive (investigative?) as he is, has every right to discover anew….

 Someone cannot claim to be a great teacher and yet cannot claim to have any disciples or a large following. For instance, the simplest way of bringing a schizophrenic or one possessed by an evil spirit/inferiority complex/ superiority complex or what’s called  “a Messiah complex “ , one who actually believes that he is Jesus or the Messiah, the easiest way of bringing him safely down back to earth is to ask him, “ OK Mr. Messiah, so you are Jesus but where are your disciples?”

 In the case of Sabbatai Zevi of Izmir who had a large following, when he finally got to the court of the Sultan in Istanbul which is in Turkey, the  Sultan thus greeted him welcome:  “ OK Mr Messiah, now that you are finally here, I only have one thing to say to you : Either you accept Islam, or I execute you!

To the dismay of his disciples, Sabbatai Zevi accepted Islam. It was explained by some of his most faithful disciples that in accordance with some fanciful Kabbalistic doctrine, he has to accept Islam in order to travel to the very depths of hell, to redeem some sparks down there.

More seriously, this is the opening paragraph of  Pirkei Avot- Ethics of the Fathers :

“Moses received the Torah from Sinai and transmitted it to Joshua; Joshua to the elders; the elders to the prophets; and the prophets handed it down to the men of the Great Assembly.  They said three things: Be deliberate in judgment, raise up many disciples, and make a fence around the Torah.”  

Rabbi Akiva had many disciples

The exhortation to “raise up many disciples” testifies to the importance of knowledge, or right knowledge and of the teacher. By way of analogy, I daresay that Professor Toyin Falola having raised and still raising “many disciples” and his unofficial appointment of Moses Ochonu as his crown prince is also testimony to his status as a teacher, professor, and a professional dispenser of light.  

 Oluwatoyin Vincent Adepoju is one of Professor Falola’s admirers.  We have among many others. Count me in and that makes at least two – and let me hasten to add that I am no historian (by any stretch of the imagination - the sometimes-self- aggrandising imagination), but I am also a humble admirer of his literary output (including Etches On Fresh Waters).  Where am I going with all this?

A very long time ago, Job - the proverbially most patient one says in Book of Job 19:25, “But I know that my Redeemer lives, and the last on earth, He will endure”

Today, there are believers who say from their own hearts and not necessarily quoting Job, they say with some confidence, “My Redeemer liveth!” – and by “Redeemer” they mean Jesus, . We cannot disprove their sincerity or their faith in who or what they believe is the source of their sustenance. 

Today, there are the genius Nigerian mega pastors who are not holding seminars on how to  become a genius, or how to produce mere electricity or how to construct a spacecraft that can transport you all the way to Mars  or  beyond Mars or how to walk on water, they are going several steps further than that: They are  teaching, preaching, holding seminars and workshops on How to go to Heaven!

Not only Nigerian pastors are doing that – in Sweden for example we have someone I have met several times and had lots of cups of coffee and long chats  with him,  his name is Christer Roshamn – nice guy, very effective in his preaching, even uses music to communicate what he feels….

 So – what’s wrong if our gifted Brother Oluwtoyin Vincent Adepoju – a student of Oga Falola’s research methods etc.  wants to spread the light, wants to use his role model Oga Falola or indeed Abiola Irele  or  William Shakespeare or Spinoza  or the Chair of Poetry at Oxford or Vincent Van Gogh  or our Brer Kperogi  as the illustrious means or vehicle how to get there?

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Wow.

That's a fine one Cornelius.

Thanks

toyin



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Thank you Cornelius the Wise, for your intervention. You have 

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But you are missing one point, 
Cornelius the wise- or to use your 
new baptismal name given to you
 by Biko, Cornel the wise- Toyin Adepoju 
wanted to violate all the laws of 
disciplehood  by 
equating himself with his master 
 and transforming himself into both
 shepherd and sheep, guru and
apprentice,  hunter and hound,
simultaneously.

Have you come across many such
precedents during your intellectual 
travel? And  how did  it end?

GE

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Gloria Emeagwali

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Correction!

Since hunters may use hounds 
in their hunting expeditions,
I should use a different analogy,
although I  have doubts as to 
whether African hunters use
dogs to hunt.
Let’s say hunter and deer, to
be on the safe side.

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But you are missing one point, 

OLAYINKA AGBETUYI

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Yorùbá hunters use dogs to hunt hence the Yoruba adage: Ajá tó sonù tí kò gbó fèrè odę

The lost hound which refuses to heed the flute of the hunter.

OAA



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But you are missing one point, 
Cornelius the wise- or to use your 
new baptismal name given to you
 by Biko, Cornel the wise- Toyin Adepoju 
wanted to violate all the laws of 
disciplehood  by 
equating himself with his master 
 and transforming himself into both
 shepherd and sheep, guru and
apprentice,  hunter and hound,
simultaneously.

Have you come across many such
precedents during your intellectual 
travel? And  how did  it end?

GE

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Cornelius Hamelberg

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Oluwatotyin Vincent Adepoju,

Here’s the message from Eric Bibb: Don't let nobody bring drag your spirit down

My mother had a yearly almanac of some Biblical scenes and a message that was supposed to go home:  God first, family second. I forget what came third.

I know that I shouldn’t ask this, but what’s more important, Ifa or Falola? Unfair question?

On my side, there’s this balance scale on which my ignorance far outweighs what I think I know.

Tafsir al-Mizan

For me too you could ask, poetry or music and the answer would be both, they are in fact, inseparably linked, like the Holy Trinity….

Your interlocutors probably have in mind inspirational courses such as  Following Steve Jobs or they are being short-sighted about the possibilities offered by the advanced technologies in this our digital age and distance learning  in which you can sit in Boston Massachusetts and learn how to play African guitar

What will be the nice price?

But for the constant lack of electricity in Lagos, I would suggest that the Forum arrange the occasional webinar so that the great debaters – including the guardians of Her Majesty’s Glorious English can debate live and direct with the vermin or the Russian speakers from the Kremlin (smile). Bring it on. In that regard Malcolm X at the Oxford Union Debate is inspirational.

“While preachers preach of evil fates

Teachers teach that knowledge waits

Can lead to hundred-dollar plates

Goodness hides behind its gates

But even the president of the United States

Sometimes must have to stand naked” ( It’s alright Ma)

Just like death and who’s next, “The rifleman's stalking the sick and the lame, preacher man seeks the same, who'll get there first is uncertain.” (Jokerman)

Whilst the mega pastors are busy preaching about the ultimate rewards that await us in heaven and how they themselves are going to get there by hook or by crook or by book, the book in question being The Holy Bible  - and dear Oluwatoyin, whilst some of us are  investing so much time energy effort in book-learning or to acquire the skills to pay the bills, in this song by Joni Mitchell, featuring Seal,  the questions is asked,  “the world is at your feet, but what about your heart?”

Study, study, study, study, the tables turned and for Rumi  the story began with Rumi's first meeting with Shams Tabrizi

Emeagwali, Gloria (History)

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OA, 
Thanks for the info.

GE






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Gloria in Excelsis Emeagwali,

 Some music for you

Oluwatoyin Adepoju could argue,

“Which laws of discipleship are you talking about?”

How did it end?

First of all, I have not been on any “intellectual travel”, unless of course, you want to  refer to my  train journey from Mumbai to Delhi  as that because I travelled with a Parsi who told me all sorts of things.

The company that we keep is very important.  Ram Dass says that if the Buddha is one’s psychiatrist/ therapist, at the end of the” treatment” one should be enlightened.

This thing about “shepherd and sheep, guru and apprentice, hunter and hound, simultaneously”, of course, your background is the academy – about love, Rumi has these lines:

“I have lived on the lip

of insanity, wanting to know reasons,

knocking on a door. It opens.

I've been knocking from the inside”

 Rumi penned these lines: starting with “ One went to the door of the Beloved and knocked.”

A man can only speak from his own personal experience.  So, here we go again. Toyin has been long at it: For example, here .

More Adepoju on Falola

It must have been  a sufficiently poetic moment with Jesus and his disciples at the mountain of the transfiguration. There’s the unity of purpose  expressed by Jesus when he says, “ I and My Father  are One “ and then there’s the physicality of Jesus saying, “Anyone who has seen me has seen The Father”  for which the enraged Pharisees probably wanted to stone Jesus for blasphemy , in the same way that you now want to stone Brother Toyin Adepoju, metaphorically speaking you want to steak him at the stake, although he has not said; “ I and Professor Toyin Falola are one” or “ Anyone who has seen me has seen Professor Toyin Falola” – in which case  - if he said that you must understand that Oluwatoyin  Vincent  Adepoju has probably entered the “Agemo phase

In Siddha Yoga there is a method of doing this and it’s known as Guru Bhava (Installing the Guru) to the extent that at some time - and this was way back in 1976, I started walking like Baba Muktananda. Some outsiders (outside my body) must have thought that I was putting it on, but I wasn’t – the only thing and thank God, I didn’t go and sit on Baba’s throne.

 So, imagine if Adepoju were to install Falola his Guru in like manner and all of Falola’s awesome mental powers were to flow through Adepoju!  Sure, he would start having ideas (shmile) that he was Adepoju-Falola and set off by air to occupy the Frances Sanger Mossiker Chair in the Humanities at the University of Texas at Austin.

 Still on the curve of truth, I just want to add that way back then the Kundalini was not awakened  - some people see some light and hear some music ,travel through a little bit of space and think that they’re enlightened, , it was a year later after I visited  the Vajreshwari Temple  that  later that night, Kundalini  was  unmistakably awakened ( with full force)

A disciple “equating himself with his master” is a perennial problem everywhere when people start getting too big for their boots/booty/ illusions of grandeur, but surely with all the evidence available to us on the table, our Oluwatoyin is not even close to being guilty of such a thing. True, he  did make an announcement which on second thoughts he hastily withdrew  shortly after his name’s sake Professor Toyin Falola accidentally posted the scam letter inviting Oluwatoyin to receive an Honorary Doctorate from the University of Oxford which I thought at the time was calculated to put Oluwatoyin in his place,  to show Oluwatoyin that  he had not really quite got there yet  Baba Kadiri his ancient antagonist adding fuel to the fire  did not spare any sarcasm or satire on the theme of “how to get plenty of money without working for it” and  that “ the proprietor of Seminar on Cultivating genius wants to teach me how to get to the top of the palm-tree without climbing from the bottom”. The scam invitation to dear Oluwatoyin Vincent Adepoju coming on the heels of Prof Wole Soyinka and Prof Toyin Falola each being awarded an Honorary D.Litt, I thought that this would be followed by a joint invitation  inviting the trinity of Soyinka ( the Father) Falola ( the son) and Adepoju ( the holy spirit of Yoruba Ifa ) for an Honorary Doctor of Divinity, probably at Yale or Princeton. Fact is you don’t award yourself a Professorship  – you are awarded one, unless of course, you are Professor Griff or Professor Longhair

In my own lifetime there  was this type of problem posed by Bubba Free John who was once a disciple to Baba Muktananda but later on declared his independence, elevated himself  to a position of alleged attainment higher that was supposed to be  higher than that of his master and in addition to that he violated another understanding / unspoken rule by revealing that which had hitherto been concealed even in Baba Muaktanada’s very detailed spiritual autobiography Chitshakti Vilas/ Play of Consciousness, which I’m sure Oluwatoyin has read.  Bubba Free John had made certain obscene allegations against the Kundalini Goddess (which I cannot repeat here.) Baba who was very devoted to his own Guru Bhagawan Nityananda. ,of course, reprimanded Bubba Free John / Franklin Jones : One does not set one’s self up, over one’s own Guru. The other controversy was about whether the journey ends at the sahasrara chakra or if after ascending beyond the sahasrara chakra the kundalini then returns to repose at the Heart Chakra as its final destination and seat of being, so to speak: AS you yourself asked, “How did it end? “Indeed, how does it end?

This kind of problem usually arises when the Pir, Sadguru, Guru, Qutb, a King,  transits to the Hereafter without having named a successor in the case of His Holiness the Pope we have to wait for the White Smoke…

BTW,  there’s no denying his aptitude and with just a little bit of charisma, just like the Niger pastors Toyin could set himself up as a Guru of the Ifa/ Ogboni  emissary to the  West and make a lot of money, easy access to beautiful big booty,  and enjoy a meteoric rise to stardom just like Greta Thunberg

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​Wow Cornelius, this one is like a bat, which can neither be classified as a mouse nor as a bird. Responding to Olayinka, you wrote, "There are serious problems with your paragraph two. Yoyin as intellectually curious and inquisitive (investigative?) as he is, has every right to discover anew….." You omitted, either intentionally or mistakenly, to support your submission in that part with what paragraph two contains. However, here follows what your referenced paragraph two contains, "What I dislike is if he (Oluwatoyin Vincent Adepoju) is doing work on the intellectual property of others e. g. Ogboni, and using cunny, cunny method to say it's different universal Ogboni by trying to turn Black into white because the latter scenario is similar to plagiarism and changing the paragraphing to delude the unwary." Are you Cornelius saying that the intellectually curious and inquisitive Mr. Adepoju has the right to discover anew the Ogboni cult which has been in practice for centuries in Yorubaland and is still being practised  today? It is like someone coming to discover anew Ògún, the muse of creativity, deity of metallurgy and patron of blacksmith. I beg to dis-concur.
"Someone cannot claim to be a great teacher and yet cannot claim to have any disciples or a large following - Cornelius Hamelberg. Who is this someone that claims to be a great teacher but cannot claim to have any disciples or a large following, I wondered as Cornelius danced along far away from the centre of the music. Later he solved the riddle for me thus, "By way of analogy, I daresay that Professor Toyin Falola having raised and still raising *many disciples* and his unofficial appointment of Moses Ochonu as his crown prince is also testimony to his status as a teacher, professor, and a professional dispenser of light."  I am not aware of anytime that Toyin Falola, professor of history, claimed to be a great teacher and much less claiming to have disciples and a large following as if he were a religious leader. Even if Professor Falola had, in private discursion disclosed to Cornelius about his desire to have Moses Ochonu as his successor, it would be unfair or perhaps unethical to disclose that in this connection. "Oluwatoyin Vincent Adepoju is one of Professor Falola's admirers," says Cornelius Hamelberg. Suddenly, Mr. Adepoju was relegated from a follower and a disciple to ordinary admirer just like anyone of us that have read most of the books authored or co-authored by Professor Falola. Does being an admirer of the learned professor license anyone to exploit his name for pecuniary gains with a dubious seminar of how to become a genius. Professor Toyin Falola has never claimed to be a genius and it sounds fraudulent for someone who is not an acclaimed genius to tout self as a maker of geniuses in exchange for money. If that is not 419, what else is?  
​ ​This case reminds me about some parts of Moses Ochonu's post on this forum, Saturday, 16 December 2017, in which he wrote, "I want to argue that we Nigerians may be the most intellectually gullible people on earth. That may be an exaggeration, but we tend to be drawn to bombastic, self-promoting persons and are thus easy prey for fraudulent claimants to academic genius. We also hunger for heroes, making it possible for dubious persons to fulfil that longing for us." 
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In the Pentecostal community, pastors award themselves Bishopships at will,  so Toyin Adepoju might be thinking:  why nit in academics?
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 Baba Kadiri,

 Re- You say that you are “not aware of anytime that Toyin Falola, professor of history, claimed to be a great teacher and much less claiming to have disciples and a large following as if he were a religious leader. Even if Professor Falola had, in private discursion disclosed to Cornelius about his desire to have Moses Ochonu as his successor, it would be unfair or perhaps unethical to disclose that in this connection”

Why do you have to be so pedantic? Or is fastidious a better word?  Professor Falola did not himself  claim to be a great teacher or historian, neither did Hugh Trevor-Roper, but that does not disqualify public adulation,  the Ubuntu definition of who they are  in terms of discipleship or any number of Mister and Miss  Follow-Follow or that Falolaism is a new word in the Oxford Dictionary. Isn’t that what this new book is all about?

 Oga Falola made certain definitive statements a few years ago about the new crop of Nigerian historians and he spoke (wrote) so positively about Moses Ochonu that since then I (Cornelius) am in no doubt that Ochonu is his crown prince. Of course, he did not write it in stone.

 In this post  written on Nigeria’s Impudence Day in 2017,  Oga Falola recounts an amicable meeting with Toyin Adepoju : WE are to normally assume ( I assume) that since then the brotherhood/  relationship between them had grown  from strength to strength and  to the point where Adepoju was feeling confident enough to propose the  genius training.

 What I can’t understand is your venom. Isn’t this forum supposed to be a fraternity, a brotherhood of Pan- Africanists instead of a brood of vipers in which some holier-than- thou and not so clever think that they are better than others, just because some of us originated in the swamp?

 Bro Oluwatoyin made a proposal which he has since modified, and all you can think of is what he said before and not what he has since amended HERE. – in which he explains that” Falola knows nothing about the project, on account of the need to keep the project independent of the figure who inspired it.”

Is it illegal for anyone to have “Proposed Paid Seminars on the Creative Style and Work of Baba Kadiri or indeed to write a conscientious or even malicious review of Baba Kperogi’s Notes from over the Atlantic?

BTW;  about the latter I  would take my inspiration from Mark Steyn

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Great thanks, Cornelius.

You are doing great things for me.

Your descriptions of spirituality are also deeply moving. 

I'm puzzled about these nay saying responses.

Are we to forever rest on descriptions of the likes of Leonardo da Vinci or Albert Einstein in descriptions of genius?

Falola's example is more relevant to the average person than those two figures, for example, they being arch individualists while Falola combines the individualistic and the communal.

Some people are so twisted up about Adepoju's self assessment.

I have a very high opinion of my creative abilities.

I would be foolish not to given my level of investment in those abilities , including and going far beyond intellectual and academic exposure,  and what I achieve with those abilities, achievements open to assessment by all.

If I were to describe myself as a genius, I would be justified in doing that given the quality, volume and consistency of my work.

I have done things not done in the centuries of existence of the systems of knowledge I engage with. 

Ifa, Ogboni, Olokun, I have introduced profoundly creative,  new orientations to these systems. 

I am one of the most broadly multi-cultural writers in history, covering Africa, the West and Asia.

The kind of people I aspire to be like are the greatest in history, from Jesus to Buddha,  from Plato to Aristotle, to Soyinka, to Falola, and many more.

In making progress in that journey, should I not be able to recognize, to some degree, my own progress?

If anyone disagrees with Adepoju's self classification as a genius, and you wish to declare your stance, make the effort to state why you disagree, stating your definition of genius and why you think Adepoju's work does not fall within that category, giving examples from that work.

If you do that, I will respond.

If you dont I will not respond.

I am not interested in arm wrestling with anybody. 

In presenting my seminar, I shall be integrating my own creative strategies with those of Falola. 

I am privy to Falola's creativity as an external observer but privy to my own creativity from within my own inwardness.

In discussing how to access one's indwelling spirit, whose experience can I best draw on, if not mine?

At the same time, one needs to learn from a person like Falola how to harness and direct one's creative fires, he being a master of order, of planning, of institutional organisation, of interpersonal development, a balance to the often solitary journey required to engage one's deepest self.

I am prepared to discuss these issues at the level of serious discourse, of self knowledge, of knowledge of others, of how to assess oneself in relation to various heights of achievement and of how to motivate oneself through examples of great achievers.

Any discourse that is not at that level will not attract my attention.

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Oluwatoyin Vincent Adepoju

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I shall be using this powerful piece from Gloria in my next version of this initiative, giving her credit for the formulation- 

 

'equating himself with his master and transforming himself into both shepherd and sheep, guru and apprentice,  hunter and hound,simultaneously.'

 

This is sublime.

 

Gloria has inadvertently summed up most succinctly and electrifyingly a model of learning in which there is no absolute master, no overarching teacher but only kinds of mastership, within horizontal rather than vertical flows of knowledge, since the teacher may become the student and the student the teacher.

 

Falola is a great scholar and memorable writer but that does not mean he cannot learn from Adepoju. Adepoju has lot to learn from Falola but that does not mean he is going to adapt Falola's strategies in all particulars.

 

Falola is far better known than Adepoju but there are circles where Falola's name might not ring a bell while that of Adepoju would.

 

My next formulation of this initiative, constructed before reading those inspired words by Gloria, places side by side my own kind of creativity and that of Falola's as two contrastive but complementary forms, representing two polarities evident in the history of creativity, of institutions and of development in general.

 

I describe mine as combustive and  recreative while that of Falola is igniting and expansive.

 

but if i discuss my own creativity as recreative in terms of my development of new approaches to cognitive systems what about Falola's projection of the necessity of epistemic  plurality and his exploring its possibilities in his work, is that not recreative?

 

Delightful dialectics demonstrating the ultimate inadequacy of categories  in configuring such protean manifestations as human creativity, like the Greek god Proteus changing shape to various forms  as you try to grab him or the Yoruba Eshu, so tall he cannot look into the cooking pot, so large the veranda and the room are too small  for  him but who is at home in a groundnut shell, as the Ifa poem puts it about that embodiment of the impossible-to-pin-down dynamism of ase, Yoruba cosmology's understanding of  creative potential inhering in all forms of being, in a manner unique to each existent [ Yoruba : Five Centuries of African Art and Thought, ed. Drewal et al and complemented by Achebe on the Igbo ike in 'The Igbo World and its Art' ]

 

What led me to these formulations?

 

In the effort to move my seminar advertising to Facebook, I concluded that most people in my Facebook friends list are not likely to know about Falola. Even Soyinka, who has been around for much longer, is he not better known as an activist? How many who know about him have read up to three of his greatest works?

 

But Falola's creativity demonstrates principles of universal value which everyone should know about and adapt to themselves.

 

But a good no of people in my Facebook list know about the iconoclastic Adepoju, the constructor of a new school of Ogboni esotericism without being a member of any conventional Ogboni school, the person advancing unusual views on Ifa, writing about various kinds of things, from the erotic to the arcane.

 

So, I chose to use myself as a  demonstration of one kind of creativity, and from that platform, introduce Falola as representing another kind of creativity and in order to highlight  the universal values  being addressed through these explorations of kinds of creativity I use iconic, archetypal, elemental symbols, characterizing  mine as the creativity of fire in its wild and potentially enriching force and that of Falola as the creativity of air in its pervasive, universally penetrating and indispensably nourishing presence.

 

So, I am adapting Gloria's lines to indicate one may admire a great example of creativity but also understand it as taking root from a similar fountain as one's own kind of creativity, unique in itself and irreplaceable by any other, while open to complementation by that of  others, judiciously adapted,  and from this recognition, work out how to make the most of others' examples like others could also take advantage of the inspiration radiating from one's own example.

 

Everything is Buddha, declares one view of Buddhism. Why polish the mirror of the mind in order to see more clearly your Buddha nature when the person polishing and the mirror itself are Buddha?

 

Simply let the Buddha you are shine forth, so may be interpreted a Zen Buddhist story from  Paul Reps' Zen Flesh, Zen Bones.

 

thanks

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Indeed, Toyin Adepoju.  I have used collaborative learning in my classroom for years and my students taught me features of knowledge in which they are more knowledgeable than I am like computing in which I am a relative nerd.

I happily learn from them.

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I shall be using this powerful piece from Gloria in my next version of this initiative, giving her credit for the formulation- 

 

'equating himself with his master and transforming himself into both shepherd and sheep, guru and apprentice,  hunter and hound,simultaneously.'

 

This is sublime.

 

Gloria has inadvertently summed up most succinctly and electrifyingly a model of learning in which there is no absolute master, no overarching teacher but only kinds of mastership, within horizontal rather than vertical flows of knowledge, since the teacher may become the student and the student the teacher.

 

Falola is a great scholar and memorable writer but that does not mean he cannot learn from Adepoju. Adepoju has lot to learn from Falola but that does not mean he is going to adapt Falola's strategies in all particulars.

 

Falola is far better known than Adepoju but there are circles where Falola's name might not ring a bell while that of Adepoju would.

 

My next formulation of this initiative, constructed before reading those inspired words by Gloria, places side by side my own kind of creativity and that of Falola's as two contrastive but complementary forms, representing two polarities evident in the history of creativity, of institutions and of development in general.

 

I describe mine as combustive and  recreative while that of Falola is igniting and expansive.

 

but if i discuss my own creativity as recreative in terms of my development of new approaches to cognitive systems what about Falola's projection of the necessity of epistemic  plurality and his exploring its possibilities in his work, is that not recreative?

 

Delightful dialectics demonstrating the ultimate inadequacy of categories  in configuring such protean manifestations as human creativity, like the Greek god Proteus changing shape to various forms  as you try to grab him or the Yoruba Eshu, so tall he cannot look into the cooking pot, so large the veranda and the room are too small  for  him but who is at home in a groundnut shell, as the Ifa poem puts it about that embodiment of the impossible-to-pin-down dynamism of ase, Yoruba cosmology's understanding of  creative potential inhering in all forms of being, in a manner unique to each existent [ Yoruba : Five Centuries of African Art and Thought, ed. Drewal et al and complemented by Achebe on the Igbo ike in 'The Igbo World and its Art' ]

 

What led me to these formulations?

 

In the effort to move my seminar advertising to Facebook, I concluded that most people in my Facebook friends list are not likely to know about Falola. Even Soyinka, who has been around for much longer, is he not better known as an activist? How many who know about him have read up to three of his greatest works?

 

But Falola's creativity demonstrates principles of universal value which everyone should know about and adapt to themselves.

 

But a good no of people in my Facebook list know about the iconoclastic Adepoju, the constructor of a new school of Ogboni esotericism without being a member of any conventional Ogboni school, the person advancing unusual views on Ifa, writing about various kinds of things, from the erotic to the arcane.

 

So, I chose to use myself as a  demonstration of one kind of creativity, and from that platform, introduce Falola as representing another kind of creativity and in order to highlight  the universal values  being addressed through these explorations of kinds of creativity I use iconic, archetypal, elemental symbols, characterizing  mine as the creativity of fire in its wild and potentially enriching force and that of Falola as the creativity of air in its pervasive, universally penetrating and indispensably nourishing presence.

 

So, I am adapting Gloria's lines to indicate one may admire a great example of creativity but also understand it as taking root from a similar fountain as one's own kind of creativity, unique in itself and irreplaceable by any other, while open to complementation by that of  others, judiciously adapted,  and from this recognition, work out how to make the most of others' examples like others could also take advantage of the inspiration radiating from one's own example.

 

Everything is Buddha, declares one view of Buddhism. Why polish the mirror of the mind in order to see more clearly your Buddha nature when the person polishing and the mirror itself are Buddha?

 

Simply let the Buddha you are shine forth, so may be interpreted a Zen Buddhist story from  Paul Reps' Zen Flesh, Zen Bones.

 

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Michael Afolayan

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Toyin Adepoju wrote, among other things:

"I have a very high opinion of my creative abilities."

"I would be foolish not to given my level of investment in those abilities , including and going far beyond intellectual and academic exposure,  and what I achieve with those abilities, achievements open to assessment by all."

"If I were to describe myself as a genius, I would be justified in doing that given the quality, volume and consistency of my work."

"I have done things not done in the centuries of existence of the systems of knowledge I engage with

"Ifa, Ogboni, Olokun, I have introduced profoundly creative,  new orientations to these systems." 

"I am one of the most broadly multi-cultural writers in history, covering Africa, the West and Asia."

The kind of people I aspire to be like are the greatest in history, from Jesus to Buddha,  from Plato to Aristotle, to Soyinka, to Falola, and many more."

(Emphases, mine)

===
Really, Toyin? Wow!

MOA




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Oluwatoyin Vincent Adepoju,

God dae.

The Almighty is on the side of fair play, equity, perseverance, justice. Forget about anyone who would spit at you.

I also have a very high opinion of your creative abilities in the areas that you have shown us thus far. I totally agree with your subjective and objective assessments.  Pray. Go ahead.

The Lord is my Shepherd, I shall not want.

Bitachon.

Psalm 23

Be confident.

Here’s another genius that I admire in quite another area.

Most unfortunately, your interlocutors do not breathe a word about your higher, praiseworthy intention of spreading the light.

But, let’s get down to brass tacks and let’s take the bull by the horns, as the Fulani herdsman would say, in perfect Fulani…

Since he cannot be accused of being “coy”, or indifferent, I think that your namesake (Professor Toyin Falola) is either being unnecessarily ambivalent or is being diplomatically extra-cautious considering that as the moderator cum proprietor-in-chief of this discussion series he is the one who knows exactly what’s going on, exactly which post are allowed to surface and those that we shall never see; since it’s his precious name and reputation that various interlocutors say is at stake, the question remains, why has he not intervened on this issue up till now – when it’s  the advertisement and potential misuse or misappropriation of his name and his genius – some say for monetary gain/ your financial success that is at the centre of the storm ?  

Perhaps, it’s because you have “explained that Falola knows nothing about the project, on account of the need to keep the project independent of the figure who inspired it.” – perhaps that’s enough cause for him to want to interfere one way or the other. Who knows, he is possibly enjoying the back and forth , softly chuckling to himself, and this could go on indefinitely, unless of course someone could  step outta line  and commit the fatal error of what he could perceive as ( God forbid)  some miscreant attempting to drag his good name in the mud at which point you could be sure  he will intervene, maybe viciously with his axe and thus lay the whole issue to rest as some of the interlocutors set t to work – get busy picking up the broken pieces, the debris, as the wind cries Mary

One can only speculate that another possible reason for Professor Falola’s non-intervention - especially an intervention of support and encouragement could be that he does not want to be thought of as promoting himself, his name, his brand, his genius, through Oluwatoyin Vincent Adepoju. But who knows what’s in store for you, maybe brilliant future and every great man has had to encounter and overcome or bypass, circumvent some great or little hindrance, setback, frustration, the prophet of Islam, salallahu alaihi wa salaam is no exception…




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Muhammad  Ali, the King of  
rope - a- dope,  declared himself 
the Greatest, a few decades ago.
Few challenged his audacity because 
of the sector he was in- sports and
entertainment. Showmanship
 was an anticipated variable, granted
 that he was indeed one of the 
world’s greatest boxers - and by 
his critique of  Uncle Sam’s Vietnam
War endeared himself to many.

But in the world of intellect, intelligence,
philosophy, theology, science, 
mathematics and Afro- Asian Studies- 
who does this? Who says this?

 Which of the known geniuses 
in the world ever declared himself 
or herself a genius?

 Imhotep the true originator of the
Hippocratic oath,  about two
thousand five hundred years before
Hippocrates, who visited the 
temples in honor of Imhotep - the
great pyramid builder, medical expert
and mathematician?

Susruta, the great surgeon and 
pioneer  in plastic surgery 
and rhinoplasty?


Leonardo da Vinci?

Einstein?

A true genius is one who is aware of 
his/her limitations. The deeper 
you plunge into a subject, the greater
your realization of your limitations.
In fact a true genius may not even 
care to be called one, for that  very 
reason.If you see someone 
thumping his chest,
and bragging about his  genius
capabilities, pinch yourself.

 Most likely he is not,  but then again, 
Toyin Adepoju disappeared for 
two weeks, without a trace. 
Who knows what fountain 
of wisdom he drank from, what 
mountain of intellectual endurance 
he climbed and what elixir of



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Great thanks, Cornelius.

Thanks, to, to Olayinka for his sensitivity to the dynamism of  the teacher/learner dialectic.

On Integrity of Identity

Responding to Cornelius speculations, I hereby state  that Falola and I dont agree on particular strategic issues.

But to each his own, is his motto, given his actions.

He has reached out privately to me on this subject, copying some others on this group and expressing people's concerns and i have responded by the modifications I have made in my seminar proposal.

But some people are insisting on painting Adepoju as a fraud who purports to guide people to achieving genius even though he is not one although I have explained that genius may be  understood as a vision one may aspire to rather than a definitive state, after all, for every great achievement, there is often a greater one and even the greatest achievements can be qualified.

Since these people made it clear they were not interested in a middle ground on a subject relating to the ceaseless drive towards actualization of human achievement I had to then inform them that Adepoju is indeed a genius and gave my reasons, presenting the conditions on account of which I will respond to rejoinders to this self assessment.

Going forward, in developing this project, I shall be highlighting my own achievements so as to make clear my understanding of how I have adapted the suggestions I am making about cultivating genius and how they are working for me. 

I had preferred something more subtle, more like the creation of a collective vision anchored on a range of admirable persons  which people may collectively strive towards emulating, in the spirit of Paul's great exhortation in Hebrews 11, invoking the names of the great Hebrew ancestors in faith, declaring 'since we are compassed about with so great a cloud of witnesses, let us run the race that is set before us, looking unto Jesus the author and finisher of our faith'',the same Jesus who declared 'what I have done you can do and more', but when people want to trivialize a vision of such magnitude then its time to ''open your eyes for them'' as it is stated in Nigerian pidgin.

Between Academic and Non-Academic Platforms

I also suspect that a good no of respondents are taking aback by the way I am framing the interpretation of Falola. They know Falola only as a scholar. To some extent, also a semi-public intellectual who makes comments from time to time on Nigerian affairs.

"How does that translate to discussions of a value that transcends the carefully guarded protocols of academia?", they might instinctively recoil in response.

They also might be inadequately appreciative of the ongoing shift in academia, from  restriction to the classroom, the academic journal, academic book and academic conference to greater expansion into public platforms, a progression that COVID-19 is likely to accelerate.

The Next Stage in Falola Studies

They also might be inadequately sensitive to the role of the project I am developing to the cycle of development of  fields of study, represented, in this instance, by  Falola Studies.

Articles and books have been published and are still being published on Falola, even as the annual Toyin Falola conference proceeds.

These initiatives  most continue in being central to the foundations of knowledge constituting Falola Studies, but for this field of knowledge to move to the necessary next stage of development in the world of knowledge, it has to be translated from the book, article and even conference presentation to becoming a course or courses of study with its/their own dynamic, constantly  developing methods of exploration.

My own approach, in this context, is to contribute to building Falola Studies into a system of knowledge, one combining theory and practice, demonstrated in both pedagogical and research procedures and applications in the lives of individuals and groups.

 Thus, the seminars I am proposing would explore the significance of Falola's achievement within and beyond academia,  within and beyond the various disciplines and genres in which he has engaged, and explore what relevance his work as historian, as humanities scholar, as student of almost all aspects of African societies and a good part of African Diaspora societies, as autobiographer, biographer , poet, interpersonal cultivator and institution builder  have to people who might never have come across his name and have little or no interest in the various subjects he address, from African history to African politics to various inspiring figures or even his own life.

Distilling such understanding, one is better positioned to map a style of individual  and interpersonal development and institution building applicable across various contexts, illuminating the specificities of Falola's disciplinary achievements as well as distilling their unifying dynamic, in ways applicable to the more general idea of cultivating genius and the more specific  concept of a dynamic unifying various cognitive systems and expressions, a form of what, generating a  German neologism, may be known as ''Geistwissenschaft'','spirit of knowledge', suggesting a creative dynamism running across a diverse but ultimately unified cognitive whole, expressed in different ways at different points but exploding into a collective efflorescence.

I am inspired in this initiative by such understandings of the German cognitive and artistic tradition in terms of certain overarching concepts of human development and possibility, such as 'bildung', self cultivation'' and 'geist', ''mind/spirit'', ideas vital to understanding the formation of some seminal German scholars and people of letters.

The seminars can be expanded into a course of study.

The dialogical character of seminars and other forms of person to person means of developing knowledge provide a dynamism absent in the more static, individualistic character of books, although such dialogical forms can contribute to the writing of books as  books feed  seminars and courses of study.

The seminars and the course of study are also different from the more tightly structured forms of conference presentations and discussions.

These difference emerge most forcefully in the creation and running of courses of study, examining a subject with a group of people over an extended period of time.

Between Scholarship of the Marketplace and Academic Scholarship

People might also wonder why such a project is not being undertaken in an academic context, either in terms of academic seminars,  a research program or an academic book.

I am a Scholar of the Marketplace, not an academic scholar. 

I admire academia and adapt its approaches, the productions of its members being foundational to my work, but I am not motivated by the idea of absorption  into academic systems. 

I am happy to consider suggestions to construct my projects in terms of such academic programs as a PhD, as has been privately suggested, and for which I am grateful to Toyin Falola and the professor at Babcock university with which he linked me.

I am happy to work in such an academic program  as long as the work is centred on my own completed or ongoing self generated project/s and their  progression in their current public form, although with inputs from an academic context suggesting how they may be improved and adapted  to academic formats.

I am not motivated by the idea of academic recognition and academic positioning  but would be pleased to accept such if offered, as long as it does not disturb my work within my own self generated knowledge platforms, that being the core of my activity, everything else being complementary to it.

I am not motivated by the idea of  academic publication, although I am honoured to receive such offers and am happy to fulfill such requests.

I shall be expanding the publication platforms I am using in my Falola scholarship.

I am happy, however,  to enter into partnership with academia as I continue to develop what amounts to my own system of knowledge, of which Falola scholarship is a part.

I am happy to assist academic institutions develop their own versions of the seminars on genius and the seminar and course on Falola Studies which I am proposing.

Great thanks

Oluwatoyin Vincent Adepoju









thanks

toyin


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A man may declare himself as genius; until the world declares him as such he is not.

These series of seminars may be what solidifies Toyin Adepoju's reputation as genius, until he delivers them successfully he just isnt there yet. If people regard Toyin Adepoju as genius then there wont be this controversy.  Im perfectly happy to say that Toyin Adepoju like anyone else is capable of being a genius.

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There’s someone who was so smart that he said there was a time when nothing existed. Well, even a crazy fool can say that…

There’s a question for the geniuses to answer, it’s from The Quran. The first time that I read that far, I was struck and had to stop and ponder.  Here’s the question:

“Say: Have ye thought: If (all) your water were to disappear into the earth, who then could bring you gushing water?” (Surah Al-Mulk ayat 30)

 To pick up on Gloria in Excelsis Emeagwali’s trajectory, who invented the wheel? What about the circle? Why is the world not flat?

Lest we forget, there are Nigerian Geniuses and Nigerian Inventors. Even in a semiliterate society, one has to hesitate in order to not decorate every Nigerian praise-singer, scientist,  medical doctor, philosopher, professor, associate professor, writer, poet, journalist, with the title genius, in the normal sense of the word when it is not meant as a mere compliment or as a poetic description of the unfathomable ( God is the greatest genius )

Concerning any big bugger post-colonial nuisance who brags about the English Language as the greatest treasure  or source of income  - and looks down on those who don’t know what time it is in English, the way that he knows what time it is, I’d just like to say that when you consider the circumstances and his motivation for acquiring English as a language,  I admire  Georg Henrik von Wright more than I admire the controversial  Joseph Conrad who never did quite overcome his problems with English propositions ( but does that matter awfully?) And does it matter terribly if Grigori Perelman or the President of Poland or China does not speak  great English or does not  pronounce 419 like Mahatma Gandhi or Sir Winston Churchill?

# Boasting is actually not forbidden and this boast (a simple statement of fact) by Imam Ali - alaihi salaam in Nahjul Balagha (The Peak of Eloquence) still makes me smile.

 He said, “The flood water flows down from me and the bird cannot fly up to me.” ( Sermon 3 (the Sermon of ash-Shiqshiqiyah)

Some peace and quiet: Chopin

 


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"But in the world of intellect, intelligence,
philosophy, theology, science, 
mathematics and Afro- Asian Studies- 
who does this? Who says this?"  (GE)

I wish Glory had added "the world of politics" to these worlds she problematized here, I would have quickly raised up my hand and declared, "Yes, I know two: one still living, one dead. The one living just asked us to drink and inject ourselves with lethal house-cleaning chemicals to prevent and cure viruses, while the other one would be the late Idi Amin Dada." They declared themselves geniuses while the likes of Chomsky, Einstein, and the great statistician, Bill James, would cringe at the mere mention of the "g" word in their ears. 

In fairness to Toyin Adepoju, he is smart and has the potential to be great, although not in my wildest dream would I say he could be as smart as Jesus or as wise as Bhudda, Plato, Aristotle, etc. I believe if he applies wisdom and hard work, the latter of which I see in him quite often, he could attain the greatness of Soyinka and and the indefatigable intellectual productivity and smartness of Falola. The only small problem is that by the current age of Toyin Adepoju, Soyinka had published extensively, and Falola had had scores of books and academic journals to his credit. Therefore, if Toyin Adepoju would endeavor to match these two men's achievements, he would have to double, triple, or quadruple-up his intellectual intensity and do so within the four walls of standard academia. A citizen soldier can never attain the rank of a military general; you join the army, the navy or the air force to attain that status. And even when all that is done, as Soyinka once said in his critique of the extremism in the negritude movement of the 1970s, "A tiger does not have to boast of its tigritude." The unquestionable geniuses of chanters in the guild of hunters among the Yoruba would always reject the title of genius with swift immediacy when their counterparts identify them as such in the course of verbal performance and exchanges called "Ìjáálá." The Yoruba phrases "gbígbón bi ifa" and/or "mímòràn bí òpèlè" are the closest renditions of the word "genius" of the English language. Praise them with those locutions and you would see those genius hunter-chanters chant back in quick protest:

I am a year old dog,
I am yet to know the art of hunting;
I am a ram born this past year,
I am yet to have the dewlap.

Don't make a mistake of whom those folks are: these are the best of the bests, the superlative oral performers among griots who, with just one bowl of the palm-wine, could literally (and figuratively) chant until tomorrow, as Karin Barber borrowed from them in her book. They are geniuses that have broadened the horizon of indigenous epistemology without ever stepping into the four walls of the Western citadel of learning. Not only would they not call themselves by that sacred title, they would protest being recognized as such. That, in my book, is called humility, a quality that actually makes them geniuses!

MOA




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What elixir of audacity did 
Toyin Adepoju consume these
last two weeks?

Here is a forthcoming workshop 
that may or may not be relevant
to this present  topic:


Caravans of Gold In Medieval 
West Africa Virtual Workshop, 
sponsored by the Smithsonian
Institute/Howard University 

May 28, 3.30p - 6.00p

GE

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trump has shown us that even idiots can dub themselves geniuses. einstein had a lot of adulation in his life, but i don't think he ever called himself a genius. and he was proven wrong many times on key issues, like quantum; and in the end failed to come up with the unified theory.
why would he waste his time contemplating his degree of intelligence, unless he felt insecure about it.
which he apparently didn't
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i like your posting a lot, michael. but i'd go one step further, to ask, what are we supposed to be gaining by labeling so and so a genius? there's only loss, only the relatively unpleasantness of dividing humanity into superior and...of course...inferior. a genius wouldn't want to do that, would she?
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Ken:

It matters if people are planning to go to the US and are eyeing the specially gifted visa option.  Its a bit like academics being ranked into tenure/non tenure track as indicators of superior and inferior classes.

Over the years I have grown skeptical of these American notorieties.

1. Non tenure track academics have the whole world as their  playing field in my own estimation.  What a particular institution wants to monopolise is given to whomever the academic feels is most deserving ( a la carte) of their efforts.  A first rate academic does not need to be housed in a particular institution to prove their mettle in today's world ( Chomsky will still be Chomsky whether or not he is housed in MIT).  I think this is what Toyin Adepoju is trying to say indirectly ( which is valid)  but he needs a lot more work done to attract the type of recognition he  craves.

2. When it comes to the specially gifted visa ( which may or may not be part of Toyin Adepoju's motivation, that is also an American notoriety for causing brain haemmhorages in other nations to help develop America.  A disingenuous man power theft if you will ( only partially paid for in remuneration differentials which represents only a fraction of the cultural capital  loss to victim nations) which should be discouraged.

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i like your posting a lot, michael. but i'd go one step further, to ask, what are we supposed to be gaining by labeling so and so a genius? there's only loss, only the relatively unpleasantness of dividing humanity into superior and...of course...inferior. a genius wouldn't want to do that, would she?
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OA, that visa motive was really far from my mind.
This assumes gullibility on the part of
US  visa processing agencies.

If true, this could also backfire because the US has a very elastic definition of mail fraud. I believe Marcus Garvey was one of the high profile victims. 

Paid seminars are going to  be red flags.


GE




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Alagba OAA, ulterior motives can't explain off Ken's concern: "what are we supposed to be gaining by labeling so and so a genius? there's only loss, only the relatively unpleasantness of dividing humanity into superior and...of course...inferior"; and neither would it address his overarching lamentation on the cheating on humanity by so doing: "... a genius wouldn't do that, would she?" And my responses would be easy: we gain nothing - absolutely nothing; and s/he would not; but if she does, she ceases to be who she purports to be. 

You see, the call to intellection does not give room for self-glorification. When one of our own once placed himself at the pinnacle of intellectualism, claiming to have invented the fastest known computer (name withheld just not to mess with a good name), the tower of fakery fell to its foundations by simple investigative journalism. Loud barrels often expose themselves to undue attention and are held in suspense of emptiness because an edifice built on the strength of the spittle would crumble under the mere drizzling of the dew. Those are not my words; they belong to our ancestors.  

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Oh, specially gifted is also elastic ( if enough work is submitted) and you will be surprised how many gifted foreigners have tried.  Its not a question of US officials being gullible.


Why do you think there are so many Pentecostal churches in Nigeria ferrying members to and from America?  Ministers visa! This is  knowing fully well Christian denominational ministry is the favourite of American officialdom.

And why should Toyin Adepoju charging for a paid seminar raise brows when for ages people have been attending conferences in America where registration fees are charged?  He has not stated how much will be charged has he?

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Alagba MOA,  My response encapsulated the reason why.  This is a spin off of the American capitalist system.

I call it the American Cogito:

I am because the American system says so.

Many want to validate their nation's standards and their very being with the authoritative American equivalent.  The American standard is the Gold Standard.

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MOA:

I totally endorse your reflection.

If people think America is the Mecca of intellectualism coupled with denial of relative basic cimforts at home and America beckons to those of a particular stance any one who really wants to hurriedly escape the standards at home may marginally upscale their own abilities to take advantage of escape routes.

All we can do as experienced teachers that we are is to show understanding rather than harshly scold them and encourage them to put in a little bit more effort.  Oga Falola is legendary in that sphere.  You cant say dont reach for that goal if you have been in part guilty of such in the past.  

The solution to one man"s problem may then be generic.  Work hard with like minded people to turn the tide of such yearnings.

1. For instance encourage, as you suggested, for budding intellectuals to make their home countries their first and last port of call.

2.  Liaise with figures like Prof Falola to be able to do short exchange programmes like short courses in non- convertible non immigrant visas for short certificate participant-paid courses in their fields (3-6 months;) recipient institutions must be bound by tens of thousands of dollars should they be unable to account for the return of their sponsored professionals.

3.  Tackle the root causes of yearning for immigration by engaging political leaders of home countries of would  be immigrants to eradicate causes of misrule and appropriation of funds meant for development.  ( In the case of Nigeria nothing short of re- introduction of Death sentence would do for cases of undeniable serious fraud involving the value of $10, 000 and above and tell pseudo human rights campaigners to go jump in a lake if they are so lacking in imagination they cannot see the countless households being sentenced to certain death by perpetrators of such grand larceny. 

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Alagba MOA,  My response encapsulated the reason why.  This is a spin off of the American capitalist system.

I call it the American Cogito:

I am because the American system says so.

Many want to validate their nation's standards and their very being with the authoritative American equivalent.  The American standard is the Gold Standard.

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Michael Afolayan’s assessment, ” In fairness to Toyin Adepoju, he is smart and has the potential to be great… if he applies wisdom and hard work, the latter of which I see in him quite often, he could attain the greatness of Soyinka and the indefatigable intellectual productivity and smartness of Falola” then breaks off at the perennial  Nigerian age question – we know that geniuses peak at around nineteen years of age ( whereas some Nigerians at 47 years of age  still think that they are  teenagers aligned with 50% of the Nigerian population or 205 Million who are currently under the age of 30. That must have something to do with their thinking.  Jimi Hendrix died at the age of 27 after less than three years in the studio, Jesus of Nazareth was probably crucified when he was 30 years old, Alexander the Great passed away at 33 years of age,  Bob Marley at 35 years of age, Malcolm X and Martin Luther King Jr. assassinated before they were 40 years old, the Prophet of Islam – salallahu alaihi wa salaam started his prophetic career at 40 years of age and blessed the Hereafter at 63 years of age. The Prophet Moses at 120 years of age, his brother Aron passed away before him at 123 years of age.  That’s some perspective on age. I hope that Oluwatoyin lives to be one hundred and twenty years of age….

If, ages ago there was one Oluwatoyin Adepoju, PhD candidate in the comparative literature program at University College ..then you (plural) are now going overboard with these kinds of sorrowful speculations. For a surety, like many others before him, including those who at their point of entry were less qualified than Oluwatoyin, if Oluwatoyin were to be keen on emigrating to the US or to Canada, based on their meritocracy entry requirements I doubt that he would have to resort to the kind of subterfuge that you are remotely suggesting. Furthermore, to up the ante, he has the special interests that he could further over there where there is an uninterrupted supply of the electric current, so that he does not have to do his research by candlelight (like some other unfortunate Lagosians)

Are there no good-hearted, philanthropic, fellow countrymen over there who could even sponsor him, could sponsor such promise and such talent on the way to securing a brilliant future – assuming that that’s what he wants, a brilliant future?

Song number nine: Long time gone

Some peace and quiet: Chopin

Oluwatoyin Vincent Adepoju

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 great thanks, Cornelius.

God bless you for your  indefatigable  defense of Adepoju.

My broader  destination is that of building a system of knowledge, a body of ideas and a method of human development,  based on the research and publications i have been engaged in across various disciplines.

My engagement with Falola Studies constitutes an aspect of this system.

i am building an educational system combining the equivalents of the German concept of 'bildung', self cultivation, and the university, while drawing on Yoruba and Igbo concepts of creative potential, ase and ike, respectively.

The 'is Adepoju a genius or not' is a digression that has no little or no relevance to the vision of harnessing the insights that may emerge in studying the incontrovertible genius of Toyin Falola as a nexus for a body of ideas and a set of techniques for maximizing human potential.

I shall be rolling out an entire course of study on Falola's work, be inviting people to a seminar on self actualization through the study and adaptation of the mysticism of Nimi Wariboko, inviting people to participate in online and perhaps offline studies in the theory and practice of various classical African systems of thought- Ifa, Ogboni, Benin Olokun, Igbo Uli, Akan Adinkra, and perhaps more,  in addition to Hindu Srividya on which I am developing a project. 

I aspire for my work to be compared with existing institutional systems in terms of creative power, not to seek integration into those systems. The system I am developing could even be superior to what obtains in those places and in the entire Western dominated global educational system.

In other words, I am laying the foundations in building the equivalent of my own Harvard, my own  MIT, my own Oxford etc, and possibly raising the framework of global education to a level higher than those institutions have achieved,  not trying to find my way to those places. 

Great thanks

toyin






Gloria Emeagwali

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Thanks for this.  Is this all because of
the American specially gifted visa? This was really far from my mind. 

Gloria Emeagwali

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Toyin Adepoju,
What  you aspire to build is a 
unified theory of knowledge and 
knowledge production 
drawn from African experiences, 
phenomena  and scholarship.

This is a laudable project , though 
gargantuan, but for it to succeed,
narcissism must be excised from it 
and humility, become the guiding 
light.

You have to learn from China.

In 1976, when  Deng Xiao Peng 
started his economic reforms, 
China was a developing country. 
By 2020 it is indisputably the second 
largest economy in the world and 
from the 👀 look of things is
effectively number one. The little 🦠 
virus, Mr.Covid,
has been more damaging to the 
US economy than China’s, it appears. 

At the same time that Mr. Trump 
was showing off and boasting 
about the US  being the strongest, 
baddest, most invincible
country and economy that ever 
existed in the world, past and present, 
Mr. Covid, a little insignificant virus,
not even alive, according to some, was 
eating away at the fabric of its economy 
and society, dismembering it, and 
pushing it to the edge of endurance. 
No gloves, no masks, no ventilators, 
no tests - no respite. Double digit 
negative growth, unemployment at 
14%, they say. Is that really 30%?
A loss of  at least two thousand citizens 
per day, to put it mildly.

The man at the helm had boasted that
since his uncle was a brilliant MIT
scientist, so was he. He knew more
 than his intelligence officers; and
more than his military advisers and 
even the hard core, battle ready
veteran epidemiologists. In fact, 
he could run the government 
singlehandedly, he claimed.
He could also grab women
by their  $@“@& too.

Dealing with viruses necessitates 
rapid response, a unified non-partisan
approach and most of all humility.
Sentiments of exceptionalist
invincibility can trigger the collapse
of the system and bring it down.
Well,  we are now seeing what a free fall
looks like.

China, the world’s number one 
economy, perhaps, still calls itself
a developing economy, and rightly so,
because unless you are  humble,
vigilant and a master of rapid response 
technologies, a little virus like
 Covid 19 can always bring you down.




On Sun, May 10, 2020 at 8:01 AM Oluwatoyin Vincent Adepoju <toyin....@gmail.com> wrote:
 great thanks, Cornelius.

God bless you for your  indefatigable  defense of Adepoju.

My broader  destination is that of building a system of knowledge, a body of ideas and a method of human development,  based on the research and publications i have been engaged in across various disciplines.

My engagement with Falola Studies constitutes an aspect of this system.

i am building an educational system combining the equivalents of the German concept of 'bildung', self cultivation, and the university, while drawing on Yoruba and Igbo concepts of creative potential, ase and ike, respectively.

The 'is Adepoju a genius or not' is a digression that has no little or no relevance to the vision of harnessing the insights that may emerge in studying the incontrovertible genius of Toyin Falola as a nexus for a body of ideas and a set of techniques for maximizing human potential.

I shall be rolling out an entire course of study on Falola's work, be inviting people to a seminar on self actualization through the study and adaptation of the mysticism of Nimi Wariboko, inviting people to participate in online and perhaps offline studies in the theory and practice of various classical African systems of thought- Ifa, Ogboni, Benin Olokun, Igbo Uli, Akan Adinkra, and perhaps more,  in addition to Hindu Srividya on which I am developing a project. 

I aspire for my work to be compared with existing institutional systems in terms of creative power, not to seek integration into those systems. The system I am developing could even be superior to what obtains in those places and in the entire Western dominated global educational system.

In other words, I am laying the foundations in building the equivalent of my own Harvard, my own  MIT, my own Oxford etc, and possibly raising the framework of global education to a level higher than those institutions have achieved,  not trying to find my way to those places. 

Great thanks

toyin







On Sat, 9 May 2020 at 16:50, Cornelius Hamelberg <cornelius...@gmail.com> wrote:

Michael Afolayan’s assessment, ” In fairness to Toyin Adepoju, he is smart and has the potential to be great… if he applies wisdom and hard work, the latter of which I see in him quite often, he could attain the greatness of Soyinka and the indefatigable intellectual productivity and smartness of Falola” then breaks off at the perennial  Nigerian age question – we know that geniuses peak at around nineteen years of age ( whereas some Nigerians at 47 years of age  still think that they are  teenagers aligned with 50% of the Nigerian population or 205 Million who are currently under the age of 30. That must have something to do with their thinking.  Jimi Hendrix died at the age of 27 after less than three years in the studio, Jesus of Nazareth was probably crucified when he was 30 years old, Alexander the Great passed away at 33 years of age,  Bob Marley at 35 years of age, Malcolm X and Martin Luther King Jr. assassinated before they were 40 years old, the Prophet of Islam – salallahu alaihi wa salaam started his prophetic career at 40 years of age and blessed the Hereafter at 63 years of age. The Prophet Moses at 120 years of age, his brother Aron passed away before him at 123 years of age.  That’s some perspective on age. I hope that Oluwatoyin lives to be one hundred and twenty years of age….

If, ages ago there was one Oluwatoyin Adepoju, PhD candidate in the comparative literature program at University College ..then you (plural) are now going overboard with these kinds of sorrowful speculations. For a surety, like many others before him, including those who at their point of entry were less qualified than Oluwatoyin, if Oluwatoyin were to be keen on emigrating to the US or to Canada, based on their meritocracy entry requirements I doubt that he would have to resort to the kind of subterfuge that you are remotely suggesting. Furthermore, to up the ante, he has the special interests that he could further over there where there is an uninterrupted supply of the electric current, so that he does not have to do his research by candlelight (like some other unfortunate Lagosians)

Are there no good-hearted, philanthropic, fellow countrymen over there who could even sponsor him, could sponsor such promise and such talent on the way to securing a brilliant future – assuming that that’s what he wants, a brilliant future?

Song number nine: Long time gone

Some peace and quiet: Chopin


On Sat, 9 May 2020 at 16:00, OLAYINKA AGBETUYI <yagb...@hotmail.com> wrote:
Alagba MOA,  My response encapsulated the reason why.  This is a spin off of the American capitalist system.

I call it the American Cogito:

I am because the American system says so.

Many want to validate their nation's standards and their very being with the authoritative American equivalent.  The American standard is the Gold Standard.

OAA



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Alagba OAA, ulterior motives can't explain off Ken's concern: "what are we supposed to be gaining by labeling so and so a genius? there's only loss, only the relatively unpleasantness of dividing humanity into superior and...of course...inferior"; and neither would it address his overarching lamentation on the cheating on humanity by so doing: "... a genius wouldn't do that, would she?" And my responses would be easy: we gain nothing - absolutely nothing; and s/he would not; but if she does, she ceases to be who she purports to be. 

You see, the call to intellection does not give room for self-glorification. When one of our own once placed himself at the pinnacle of intellectualism, claiming to have invented the fastest known computer (name withheld just not to mess with a good name), the tower of fakery fell to its foundations by simple investigative journalism. Loud barrels often expose themselves to undue attention and are held in suspense of emptiness because an edifice built on the strength of the spittle would crumble under the mere drizzling of the dew. Those are not my words; they belong to our ancestors.  

MOA

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Harrow, Kenneth

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i never heard of these specially gifted visas. i wonder how they are designated.
anyway, brain drain is a real issue. for a very long time the u.s. invested in scientific research. if you were a physicist, and wanted a lab with grad students, equipment, money, you needed to go to the u.s. it wasn't the u.s. that mattered, per se, but the realities of the money for the discipline.
i understand that among the stupidities of trump was a reduction of funding for scientific research.
there is a real point about viewing this not through a national lens. i wish we could try to do this. the researchers, their students, are, let us say, scientists. in some domains, like the military, they might become the servants of their home nation state. but much much much of this knowledge is not tied to institutions, much less nations, but is shared among the cohort of scientists around the world. and the grad students, including the best, are not particularly americans these days.
i'd say the same, to some extent, for the humanities.
here it is access that matters. african universities have to have enough internet access to be tied into the world web, to receive online journals, to participate in conferences, etc.
there is a lot of pride in africa on this listserv, which is quite deserved.
but i keep arguing for the wider world of shared knowledge, where we let go of our national identities and appear as specialists in our domains, sharing our knowledge with all the others.
in a sense, it is not where you started that defines you, but what you've become. i think of stuart hall and paul gilroy as exemplifying that. or, if you will, mudimbe or mbembe. both relocated to new worlds, and transterritorialized themselves and their knowledge. isn't that true for most of us?

ken
k

kenneth harrow

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michigan state university

517 803-8839

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Oluwatoyin,

This was Marley: ” Don't let them fool you, or even try to school you”

We hear this kind of open talk (just babble) almost everywhere:

” My Ph.D. is bigger than yours”,

“Moi-même? “

“Yes! And my IQ leaves Einstein far behind!” etc etc.

Here are The Last Poets, jiving again, telling it like it is:

“Niggers talk about the mind

Talk about: My mind is stronger than yours

"I got that bitch's mind uptight!"

Niggers don't know a damn thing about the mind

Or they'd be right.”

Since such are your goals – as you have outlined them to us, it’s up to you how you understand or want to apply Proverbs 3: 5 which advises: “Trust in the Lord with all your heart and do not rely on your own cleverness

Otherwise, all of what you say sounds good to me.

 Unfortunately, there are those who could smirk, and take the summing up in your last paragraph

In other words, I am laying the foundations in building the equivalent of my own Harvard, my own MIT, my own Oxford etc, and possibly raising the framework of global education to a level higher than those institutions have achieved, not trying to find my way to those places.”

as a posture of challenge, that your intentions had better not be announced before their accomplishment.

 This is supposed to be  useful : Adages of imam Ali (puh) in manners of speech and silence

I can think of a similar episode in the history of Islam: three years after the prophet of Islam, salallahu alaihi wa salaam got his first intimations of prophethood, he received this instruction:

And warn thy nearest kinsmen: And lower thy wing to the believers who follow thee.”

(Surah Ash-Shu'ara 214 – 215)

“When this command came down, the Messenger of God invited the descendants of Abdul-Muttalib (they were forty men) to a banquet which contained little amounts of food and milk.  They ate and drank until they became full. Then the Messenger spoke, saying: “O children of Abdul-Muttalib, by God, I do not know any young man from among the Arabs who has ever brought to his people better than I brought you. I brought to you the goodness of the world and of the Hereafter, and God has commanded me to invite you to it. Who among you is willing to be my minister in this mission, and he will be my brother, my executor, and my successor?”

None of them responded but Ali who was the youngest among them. He stood up and said: “Messenger of God, I will be your minister in this mission.”

The Prophet repeated his invitation, but none responded except Ali who repeated his words. The Prophet put his hand on the neck of Ali and said:

This is my brother and my executor, and my successor. Listen to him and obey him”

 They laughed, saying to Abu Talib: “He ordered you to listen to your son and obey him”

(p 63 of “The Brother of the Prophet Mohammad” by Mohammad Jawad Chirri)

Ali was thirteen years old then, humble, dignified and serious.

This is just an illustration of the age thing, illusions of age, too young etc

2500 Adages of Imam Ali

Eddie Palmieri: My spiritual Indian


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great thanks, Cornelius.

apologies for this late response.

i was simply responding to those who preferred to focus on Adepoju is not a genius' or 'who is Adepoju to presume to guide people on how to become geniuses' instead of them to focus on the substantive subject.

As for the Harvard, MIT speech, at times one needs to so motivate oneself and declare oneself publicly particularly when people are imputing such low level motives as visa seeking in the face of a grand vision.

all the best

toyin

great thanks

toyin

Oluwatoyin Vincent Adepoju

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Thanks for this, Gloria.

''Toyin Adepoju,
What  you aspire to build is a 
unified theory of knowledge and 
knowledge production 
drawn from African experiences, 
phenomena  and scholarship.''


  It would also help if people's efforts are appreciated instead of focusing on distractions that are not relevant to the grand vision being presented by such people.

Such distractions as '" Adepoju is not a genius' or ""how dare Adepoju declare he wants to guide people to become geniuses' so that Adepoju would not be compelled to respond in a manner that some may see as narcissistic.  

thanks

toyin

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Go ahead Toyin Adepoju go for it!

People have the right to demand clarifications on what is not clear to them.  You cant shut them up.

It is your responsibility to clear the air.

Best wishes...

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great thanks, Cornelius.

apologies for this late response.

i was simply responding to those who preferred to focus on Adepoju is not a genius' or 'who is Adepoju to presume to guide people on how to become geniuses' instead of them to focus on the substantive subject.

As for the Harvard, MIT speech, at times one needs to so motivate oneself and declare oneself publicly particularly when people are imputing such low level motives as visa seeking in the face of a grand vision.

all the best

toyin

great thanks

toyin

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I just stumbled on this which harmonises with your theory, that people just have to develop that special bent/talent/ shortcoming :

https://www.facebook.com/groups/MichioKakuGroup/permalink/2654124214866003/

Here it says so, in black and white: All kids are born geniuses, everybody is a genius

Frank Zappa is also a genius

Gato Barbieri: Viva Emiliano Zapata

 Oluwatoyin, check this out ( he’s not even the grand wizard of Sweden  

 


Oluwatoyin Vincent Adepoju

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great thanks Cornelius

apologies for this late response

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