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Chidi Anthony Opara, FIIM, CDOA

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Feb 2, 2023, 6:27:17 AMFeb 2
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Anytime Bola Tinubu says "I made Buhari President", he demarkets himself as a presidential aspirant.

-Chidi Anthony Opara (CAO)


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Oga Chidi:

Do poets understand politicians?

TF

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Chidi Anthony Opara, FIIM, CDOA

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"Oga Chidi:

Do poets understand politicians?

TF"


I spoke as a political observer.

-CAO.


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Oga Chidi:

Do poets understand politicians?

TF

 

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Anytime Bola Tinubu says "I made Buhari President", he demarkets himself as a presidential aspirant.

 

-Chidi Anthony Opara (CAO)



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"I've often said that all poetry is political. This is because real poems deal with a human response to reality and politics is part of reality, history in the making. Even if a poet writes about sitting in a glass house drinking tea, it reflects politics."
                                          - Yehuda Amichai

Ọ̀gá Chidi, with your response, you sidesteppedthe relationship between poetry and politics. 





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this seems awfully limited to me.
i agree that "politics" in the broadest sense  entails how we engage the world and people around us, including the relations of power. that's always there, but what does it have to do with my worrying about death? or my love for my granddaughter? or my worry about one of my children? or how the colors that reflect off the surface of the water can lift me for the moment? or that when i see you, i am transported?
or my fears or hatreds or loves or desires or hopes or despair.
always just politics?
ken

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Chidi Anthony Opara, FIIM, CDOA

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Adeshina,

I do not agree with Yehuda Amichai. 

All poetry is not politics (in the conventional sense, that is).

Regards

-Chidi Anthony Opara

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Feb 2, 2023, 9:07:36 PMFeb 2
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The world over, there are political poets and there is political poetry

How many of us have been to Christopher Okigbo's grave

Indisputably, he was a political poet, even if that was not all that he was. 

Ojogbon Falola likes to provoke. I suppose that’s part of his poetic itch and in this case, he appears to be merely teasing Chidi with this apparently innocent question, “Do poets understand politicians?” - which demands, even inspires a response that in this case is reminiscent of the opening of Ishmael Reed’s article, Ma and Pa Clinton Flog Uppity Black Man :

“ During Bill Clinton's first run for President, I appeared on a New York radio panel with some of his black supporters, including Paul Robeson, Jr., son of the actor and singer. I said that Clinton had character problems. They dismissed my comments and said I didn't know anything about politics and should stick to writing novels. (Clarence Page, who has monopoly on the few column inches and airtime made available to black columnists by the corporate media, said the same thing about me. I should stick to creative writing and leave politics alone.)”

The converse of Ojogbon’s question could well be infinitely more cynical: “Do politicians understand poetry?”  it’s the kind of question I would like to ask Rt General Osusegun Obasanjo and Presidential wannabe Alhaji Atiku Abubakar  - in which case I suppose they are both covered; Pastor Obasanjo would probably refer to the poetry of the Bible which we are to assume he understands since he has a PhD degree in Divinity, and the Alhaji can always refer to  what he has in his hand: The miracle that is the Holy Quran 

It’s a question we could have asked people like Leopold Sedar SenghorVáclav Havel  and  someone like Agostinho Neto

Ojogbon Falola, in Chidi’s case, I think  it's a matter of “ The role of the poet is to change the government”, but  the kind, law-abiding citizen that he is ( one  of his favourite words is “ miscreant”) he would not advocate “ by any means necessary, or what Mutabaruka bellowed about: “ any which way”  

I’m anxiously awaiting the moment when Chidi will take to performing - with some musical background to his poetry as spoken word poetry ( I'd like to be in the band)  If “the media is the message” ( McLuhan) then the world over and in Africa in particular, the music is certainly the medium - very much so, take Mzwakhe Mbuli and Linton Kwesi Johnson for example, add Victor Jara, Bob Dylan, Vladimir Vysotsky, Bob Marley 

Much of Chidi Anthony Opara’s  poetry and many of his poetic thoughts, pithy sayings, witticisms, satirical grumbling in the ongoing Nigerian summer of discontent, some of his garrulousness and public outrage so far in print, make us realise  in the broadest possible sense the role of the poet in a society, society in this case, to include all of  Nigeria, and the world in which we live, aware or unaware as we may be, about the poetic dimensions of the universe,  of mere existence, we can still hear Rike’s question in his Duino Elegies ringing in our ears : 

Who, if I cried out, would hear me among the angels' hierarchies? and even if one of them pressed me against his heart: I would be consumed in that overwhelming existence. For beauty is nothing but the beginning of terror, which we still are just able to endure, and we are so awed because it serenely disdains to annihilate us. Every angel is terrifying.”

Adeshina Afoloyan has already quoted one of Israel's National poets ( Yehuda Amichai ) and I suppose that Wole Soyinka is very much a Nigeria’s National Poet and Political Activist  . for change….memorably, Soyinka to Obasanjo :

 Just Go

Go NOW

Obasanjo Go NOW

Hugh Masekela: Bring It Back Home - YouTube


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"Oga Chidi:

Do poets understand politicians?

TF"


I spoke as a political observer.

-CAO.


On Thursday, February 2, 2023, Toyin Falola <toyin.f...@gmail.com> wrote:

Oga Chidi:

Do poets understand politicians?

TF

 

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Anytime Bola Tinubu says "I made Buhari President", he demarkets himself as a presidential aspirant.

 

-Chidi Anthony Opara (CAO)



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Harrow, Kenneth

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Cornelius, that quote from Rilke! What power and beauty!

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ovdepoju

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been long tryig to understand/appeciate that line of Rilke's 

Harrow, Kenneth

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Like the kantian sublime—terrifying and awesome and beyond words  

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Chidi Anthony Opara, FIIM, CDOA

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Shallowness everywhere in Nigeria. Comedian Ibu's family problem is now an issue of national importance, relegating general election, scarcity of newly designed currency, petrol scarcity and insecurity to the background.

Oluwatoyin Adepoju

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Harrow, Kenneth

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Rilke said it better than kant!

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Cornelius Hamelberg

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Oluwatoyin Vincent Adepoju : 

We have the latest supreme example -  the Angel Gabriel’s first encounter with the Prophet of Islam sallallahu alaihi wa salaam !

Rilke : “Who, if I cried out, would hear me among the angels' hierarchies? and even if one of them pressed me against his heart: I would be consumed in that overwhelming existence. For beauty is nothing but the beginning of terror, which we still are just able to endure, and we are so awed because it serenely disdains to annihilate us. Every angel is terrifying.”

From Angelology to Adepoju 

The philosophical pedagogue in you Adepoju demands an explanation  - at an earlier time the Pharisees and Sadducees wanted “a sign” from Jesus, “ But he answered and said unto them, “An evil and adulterous generation seeketh after a sign; and there shall no sign be given to it, but the sign of the prophet Jonas

Explanation and explanation, can poetry be ex-plained - Do you mean like the meaning made plain or more plain? Then it’s no longer poetry unless you want to, as Van Morrison sings, go into the mystery from  the album Poetic Champions Compose and that his classic cut “ Queen of the Slipstream

  1.  More seriously if the sublime can be explained, consider Psalm 130  - King James version  translation  “ Out of the depths I cry to you, Lord

  1. Awesome:  Last Thursday, 2. a.m. Stockholm time,  we ( a Bible Study group based in Ottawa) finished the study of The Book of Revelation, the last book in the so-called “ New Testament” - the relevance here is  verses 8- 9 of the last chapter

“8 And I John saw these things and heard them. And when I had heard and seen, I fell down to worship before the feet of the angel which showed me these things.

9 Then saith he unto me, See thou do it not: for I am thy fellow servant, and of thy brethren the prophets, and of them which keep the sayings of this book: worship God.”

From which we are to suppose that John’s encounter with the angel - as all the other encounters related in the Bible and of the Quran, must have been quite awesome experiences; I’m thinking  not so much about the Angel Gabriel’s  appearance to Jesus’s mother Mary - known as the Annunciation, or to the angels’ appearance to Abraham  but of the incident of Balaam and his ass - once referred to here   - the main encounter in question: Bamidbar/ Numbers 22:  21- 39  ) of which verse 23 goes, 

“The she-donkey saw the angel of HASHEM stationed on the road with his sword drawn in his hand; so the she-donkey turned aside from the road and went into a field. Balaam beat the she-donkey to get it back onto the road.”

The Stone Chumash note on verse 23 reads, “ Rashi and Ramban ( two eminent Torah commentators) disagree regarding what the animal saw. According to Rashi, animals are allowed to see spiritual beings that are blocked from the human eye, because human intelligence would cause people to live in constant fear  if they could perceive everything around them,

 Ramban asserts that angels are not physical beings and cannot be seen by people or animals unless they assume a human form - as when they visited Abraham  - in which case they are visible to everyone. In Balaam’s case, it was not that the she-donkey actually saw the angel. Rather, it sensed that it was in danger, for, figuratively.a being with a sword stood before it

According to verse 31, “ Then HASHEM uncovered  Balaam's eyes, and he saw the angel of HASHEM standing in the road, with a sword drawn in his hand. He bowed and prostrated himself on his face.”

The note on verse 31 begins, “ It appears obvious from this verse that Balaam was not accustomed to seeing angels, for if he was, it would not have been necessary for his eyes to have been uncovered. This also proves that he was not a prophet, for even Abraham’s wife Hagar and the prophet Elisha’s servant Gehazi saw angels, though they were not prophets... If Balaam had been a true prophet, he would have had no trouble seeing an angel, actually, Balaam was a sorcerer, not a prophet 

                ( C ) Back to Negative Capability, Keats’ Negative Capability

                (D) Dear Adepoju, whilst we’re still on this theme: The Scream 

Chidi Anthony Opara, FIIM, CDOA

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I prefer to avoid actions that would lead to apologies. 

I urge people in my space to try and follow that course.

Toyin Falola

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Are you not in pursuit of a chimera?

Apologies confirm our humanity that we are not divine and prone to making mistakes.

I have made over a million mistakes in the last 70 years, including coming to the world, instead of staying in heaven.

 

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I said that "I prefer to avoid actions that would lead to apologies".

I try to. I am successful sometimes and unsuccessful sometimes.

When I am not successful, I apologize.

That is the context sir. I did not say that I don't make mistakes, neither did I say that I don't apologize.

For me, making attempts to avoid actions that would lead to apologies are better than apologies.

Warm regards sir,

-CAO.


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Are you not in pursuit of a chimera?

Apologies confirm our humanity that we are not divine and prone to making mistakes.

I have made over a million mistakes in the last 70 years, including coming to the world, instead of staying in heaven.

 

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I prefer to avoid actions that would lead to apologies. 

 

I urge people in my space to try and follow that course.

 

-Chidi Anthony Opara (CAO)



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Are actions not products of the mind?

Actions are motions, artefacts of mentalfacts.

TF

 

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Yes sir, they are and trying to avoid actions that would necessitate apologies to me are more noble than apologies.

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