liberals scoff Norman Rockwell paintings
Colossus Of Liberty
Next they plan to ban apple pie as a symbol of
tyranny.................................
William Hunt
Why do you cross-post everything to pdx.general ?
What does this have to do with portland oregon ?
pdx.general used to be a pleasent local interest group....
Colossus Of Liberty wrote:
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William Hunt, Portland Oregon USA
ELurio
dialectic that has been followed for many years, anything or anyone out of it,
like Rockwell, is officially to be ignored or scoffed at.
eric l.
Amused
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Well, I know very little about Great Art, but I have seen and enjoyed lots
of Norman Rockwell's art. It is an important part of Americana, and he is a
Great Artist in my book. YMMV.
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Colossus Of Liberty
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> They've never heard of Rockwell in Portland?
Portland is just full of liberal Rockwell haters.
c...@teleport.com
Dave Thompson
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> http://www.villagevoice.com/issues/0146/saltz.php
>
> Next they plan to ban apple pie as a symbol of
> tyranny.................................
I wondered why you would be troubled by this article and realized that it's
so far over your little pin-head that you couldn't understand it.
There's absolutely nothing political in it. It's an art critique, and a
valid one. It even includes Rockwell's own self-criticism:
"Rockwell didn't think like an artist, but he certainly was tormented like
one. This sense of creative crisis is something many can identify with. He
feared not being "good enough" and was always "terrified" that his covers
for the Post would be rejected (which at 322 covers in 47 years is a lot of
terror). "Am I dodging life?" he worried in his journal, and told his son,
"If I could start over again, I'd paint like Picasso." (Wouldn't we all?)
When asked if he liked being an illustrator, he snapped, "I hate it." When
ranked with his favorite artist, Rembrandt, Rockwell muttered, "I'm sure
he's turning over in his grave." He often said, "People tell me, 'I don't
know anything about art, but I love your stuff.' I wish they'd say the
opposite, 'I know a lot about art, and I love your stuff.' " It's no wonder
people want to rescue him."
So, I ask you, Danny, to explain just what this has to do with liberals, the
U.S., or apple pie.
Nothing, as usual.
Marc Sylvestre
pap.
Why anyone would bother to attack of defend Rockwell is beyond me. Its like
attacking or defending Diana Ross and the Supremes.
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John Judy
> So, I ask you, Danny, to explain just what this has to do with liberals,
the
> U.S., or apple pie.
>
> Nothing, as usual.
You have to remember that we are dealing with the colonosus of stupidity
here. Sometimes he forgets his meds. While there is nothing particularly
innovative or exciting about Rockwell's work, I think the mere fact that it
elicits such instant recognition and warm feelings from so many speaks
volumes about it's place in the history of American art. However, different
strokes (forgive the pun) for different folks.
>
>
>
>
Dave Thompson
It also has a few anti-American, constitution hating, flag wrapped,
loudmouthed, under-educated dittoheads thrown in for a laugh
Colossus Of Liberty
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>
> "Colossus Of Liberty" <colo...@liberty.com> wrote in message
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> > http://www.villagevoice.com/issues/0146/saltz.php
> >
> > Next they plan to ban apple pie as a symbol of
> > tyranny.................................
>
> I wondered why you would be troubled by this article and realized that
it's
> so far over your little pin-head that you couldn't understand it.
>
> There's absolutely nothing political in it.
It's in a political magazine.
Colossus Of Liberty
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> > So, I ask you, Danny, to explain just what this has to do with liberals,
> the
> > U.S., or apple pie.
> >
> > Nothing, as usual.
>
As usual, nothing substantial.
Colossus Of Liberty
>
> "Colossus Of Liberty" <colo...@liberty.com> wrote in message
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> > Amused <amu...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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> > > They've never heard of Rockwell in Portland?
> >
> > Portland is just full of liberal Rockwell haters.
>
> It also has a few anti-American, constitution hating,
True, they will be at the peace rally tonight. You should also add
contitution twisting so you will fit in there.
> flag wrapped, loudmouthed, under-educated dittoheads thrown in for a laugh
Sounds like more hate speech from a classic bigoted self ascribed
elitist-thinking-but-not-elite liberal
Dave Thompson
So are ads.
I was right - you didn't even bother to read it or didn't understand it at
all. If you did then tell me what's political about it. Tell me what it
criticizes that reflects on anything but Rockwell the magazine illustrator
and museums' attempt to turn his work into something it isn't?
Bob Tiernan
On Fri, 16 Nov 2001, John Judy wrote:
> While there is nothing particularly innovative or
> exciting about Rockwell's work.....
Well, it does a lot more for me than to look at
a canvas with three big splotches of paint that's
called a "masterpiece" by "critics" who are
pretending to know more than the average joe.
Anyway, I'll take Hopper.
Bob T.
D.G. Porter
"Uhhhh, buhhhhh, duhhhh, me not unnderstand Pollock or Pickasso, me like
painting dat look like purty snapshot, huh huh huh huh..."
Dave Thompson
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>
> On Sat, 17 Nov 2001, D.G. Porter wrote:
>
> > Bob Tiernan wrote:
>
> > > Well, it does a lot more for me than to look at
> > > a canvas with three big splotches of paint that's
> > > called a "masterpiece" by "critics" who are
> > > pretending to know more than the average joe.
> > > Anyway, I'll take Hopper.
>
>
> > like painting dat look like purty snapshot, huh huh huh huh..."
>
>
> a canvas and then decide to sell this "modern artistic
> masterpiece" to some fool for $3,000. Uhhhhh, duhhhhh,
> this must be a great painting because it doesn't
> look like a snapshot!" Duh! to you, fool.
Did you ever hear about the man and woman team that painted by giving each
other paint enemas and then shitting on the canvas?
Of course, you know this isn't a joke. No one could make this up.
Dave Thompson
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I'd rather have some rather odd types deciding what gets exhibited than
people who like the types of pictures hanging in hotel rooms or have "Poker
Playing Dogs" up in their own living room.
Just keeps things interesting. Since art is subjective, most reactions to
most art is going to be negative.
Dave Thompson
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You'll note that Danny has run away from this, as he does any reasonable
debate, challenge, or request. His pattern of late is to completely ignore
anything other than insults. If you don't want to hear from him, ask him for
proof or post a referenced rebuttal. If you want him to respond - call him a
name.
Facts, reason, and rational thought are like kryptonite to him.
Colossus Of Liberty
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Im guessing you prefer looking at lava lamps and tie die while dropping acid
and listening to Jerry Garcia 8 tracks
D.G. Porter
>
> D.G. Porter <dgpo...@pacbell.net> wrote in message
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> > >
> > > On Fri, 16 Nov 2001, John Judy wrote:
> > >
> > > > While there is nothing particularly innovative or
> > > > exciting about Rockwell's work.....
> > >
> > > Well, it does a lot more for me than to look at
> > > a canvas with three big splotches of paint that's
> > > called a "masterpiece" by "critics" who are
> > > pretending to know more than the average joe.
> > > Anyway, I'll take Hopper.
> > >
> > > Bob T.
> >
> > "Uhhhh, buhhhhh, duhhhh, me not unnderstand Pollock or Pickasso, me like
> > painting dat look like purty snapshot, huh huh huh huh..."
>
> Im guessing you prefer looking at lava lamps and tie die while dropping acid
> and listening to Jerry Garcia 8 tracks
Yes, that'd be about what I'd suppose you'd guess at...
Bit of advice, Collio, you can skip the Cleveland Museum of Art, even
though it's free, it'd be totally beyond you.
(There's stuff there that makes some people raise their eyebrows, but
that's presupposing that they have something other than a Zinjanthropian
forehead...)
D.G. Porter
> "Bob Tiernan" <zu...@pacifier.com> wrote in message
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> >
> > On Sat, 17 Nov 2001, D.G. Porter wrote:
> >
> > > Bob Tiernan wrote:
> >
> > > > Well, it does a lot more for me than to look at
> > > > a canvas with three big splotches of paint that's
> > > > called a "masterpiece" by "critics" who are
> > > > pretending to know more than the average joe.
> > > > Anyway, I'll take Hopper.
> >
> >
> > > "Uhhhh, buhhhhh, duhhhh, me not unnderstand Pollock or Pickasso, me
> > > like painting dat look like purty snapshot, huh huh huh huh..."
> >
> >
> > One could accidentally kick over a can of paint onto
> > a canvas and then decide to sell this "modern artistic
> > masterpiece" to some fool for $3,000. Uhhhhh, duhhhhh,
> > this must be a great painting because it doesn't
> > look like a snapshot!" Duh! to you, fool.
I guess it's totally lost on you, but have you ever seen a Jackson
Pollock up close and live? It's really meaningless when reduced to a
4-foot square print. The pieces are huge really do have an active
dynamism when you get up close to them and see how it all works
together.
Oh well, they rioted when Le Sacre was premiered in Paris... that
bassoon solo wigged a lot of people out.
I take it Charlie Parker is beyond your taste too...
Bob Tiernan
On Sat, 17 Nov 2001, Colossus Of Idiocy wrote:
> D.G. Porter wrote:
> > "Uhhhh, buhhhhh, duhhhh, me not unnderstand Pollock
> > or Pickasso, me like painting dat look like purty
> > snapshot, huh huh huh huh..."
> Im guessing you prefer looking at lava lamps and tie dies
> while dropping acid and listening to Jerry Garcia 8 tracks
Well, so what. Besides, Garcia was a great capitalist
who really understood it, tho' many of his fans probably
don't want to hear this.
Bob T.
D.G. Porter
It is good ice cream...
ELurio
Jeez....The fact is that Rockwell wasn't part of the offical dialectic of 20th
century art history, Rockwell was a visual commentator on his time, and as that
produced a great deal of first rate work that wasn't "progressive." Claude
Monet went about as far as one could go with abstract art and not being
useless.
Look at Piet Mondrian. His early stuff was brilliant. Some landscapes he did
during the 1910s were some of the best ever produced. But then he was told by
the critics that the way to go was "abstraction" so he spent much of the next
25 years painting squares, not moving into something decent until near the end
of his career.
Picasso basically imploded around 1922, and became a mediocre cartoonist, only
returning to something resembling genious with "Guernica." He traded off his
name for the rest of his life, producing little of merit before his death in
1973. When Spain became fully democratic after the attempted coup of 1981. The
museum of modern art had it's famous farewell to "Guernica" and I still have
the catalogue. Not all that great.
There are many truly great artists that don't fit into the general art
historical dialectic. Take sculptor Frederick Hart, for example. His style was
based on that of the Italian renaissance, and as such was pretty much ignored
by the critics, who were more interested in "progressive" artists who produced
works that were made from junk and looked like melted sandcastles. But the
stuff is astounding, and was stolen by director Taylor Hackford for his film
"The Devil's Advocate." [Hart won the lawsuit, too].
What's really more artistic, Roy Lictenstein's copy of a panel from a Disney
comic or the comic itself?
Having worked with Andy Warhol's assistants after he died, I know that he was a
poser who's main achievement was as a PR person.
The simple fact is that the most talented artists of the 20th century were
illustrators, cartoonists and graphic designers. That's where the money was and
that's where they went.
Rockwell was among the best of them.
eric l.
John Judy
Newsflash.. The apprication of art is a subject experience. Your tastes are
no more valid than Bobs.
Amused
Then I grew up.
Amused
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Dave Thompson
You're merely like the 16 year old that thinks they know everything.
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Colossus Of Liberty
> Your post is evidence that you didn't.
> You're merely like the 16 year old that thinks they know everything.
Or possibly visa versa?
Amused
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Dave Thompson
This from a guy that either didn't read the article he based his post on, or
didn't understand it.
Chuckle.
Don Homuth
wrote:
>When I was a teenager I was quite liberal.
>
>Then I grew up.
No -- you just got older.
Not the same thing at all.
Bob Tiernan
On Sat, 17 Nov 2001, D.G. Porter wrote:
> "Uhhhh, buhhhhh, duhhhh, me not unnderstand Pollock or
> Pickasso, me like painting dat look like purty snapshot,
> huh huh huh huh..."
I note that while i did not ridicule the intelligence
of people who like this sort of stuff, you ridiculed
the intelligence of people who prefer Hopper etc
to the newer stuff. Figures. Elitist.
Bob T.
D.G. Porter
Not everyone who doesn't "get" 20th-Century art is a dumb-ass, but every
dumb-ass I've ever met hates "modern art." They all say the same old
shit too.
> Figures. Elitist.
Yes, I am an elite.
Have you ever tried your hand at art? -- of any kind?
bit...@rochester.rr.com
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>
>> Figures. Elitist.
>
>Yes, I am an elite.
Which by the liberal lights you follow, makes you the scum of the
earth.
-1-
Oh, Bomb a binLaden
American Liberals:The new fascists
D.G. Porter
>
> On Fri, 23 Nov 2001 20:05:44 GMT, "D.G. Porter" <dgpo...@pacbell.net>
> wrote:
>
> >
> >> Figures. Elitist.
> >
> >Yes, I am an elite.
>
> Which by the liberal lights you follow, makes you the scum of the
> earth.
Well, I'd better watch out for myself before you start sucking on me!
... Asshole...
bit...@rochester.rr.com
wrote:
>bit...@rochester.rr.com wrote:
>>
>> On Fri, 23 Nov 2001 20:05:44 GMT, "D.G. Porter" <dgpo...@pacbell.net>
>> wrote:
>>
>> >
>> >> Figures. Elitist.
>> >
>> >Yes, I am an elite.
>>
>> Which by the liberal lights you follow, makes you the scum of the
>> earth.
>
>Well, I'd better watch out for myself before you start sucking on me!
>... Asshole...
Can't have it both ways, moron.
D.G. Porter
>
> On Sat, 24 Nov 2001 00:43:35 GMT, "D.G. Porter" <dgpo...@pacbell.net>
> wrote:
>
> >bit...@rochester.rr.com wrote:
> >>
> >> On Fri, 23 Nov 2001 20:05:44 GMT, "D.G. Porter" <dgpo...@pacbell.net>
> >> wrote:
> >>
> >> >
> >> >> Figures. Elitist.
> >> >
> >> >Yes, I am an elite.
> >>
> >> Which by the liberal lights you follow, makes you the scum of the
> >> earth.
> >
> >Well, I'd better watch out for myself before you start sucking on me!
> >... Asshole...
>
> Can't have it both ways, moron.
What's the difference between a Republican and a sturgeon?
One's a scum-sucking bottom-feeder, and the other is a fish.
bit...@rochester.rr.com
wrote:
So nice of you to expose your idiocy for all to see.
Colossus Of Liberty
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> >What's the difference between a Republican and a sturgeon?
> >One's a scum-sucking bottom-feeder, and the other is a fish.
> So nice of you to expose your idiocy for all to see.
Yeah really. That wasn't even funny. A good one would be to use "sucker
fish" instead of sturgeon. That would have a double irony to it whereas your
joke had nothing.
Your joke reminds me of Biff in Back to the Future. Just a big oaf thinking
he's funny while everyone else rolls their eyes.
bit...@rochester.rr.com
Yeah.
Now, make like a tree and get outta here.
LOL!
Dusty Rhodes
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And for the Colostomy Bag of Liberty, that qualifies as a literary
reference. WHAT - A - FUCKING - MORON!
Cheers,
Dusty