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Byker

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Sep 1, 2003, 10:59:42 PM9/1/03
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"Larry Mundinger" <look....@signature.org> wrote in message
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>
> AMERICAN ATHEISTS, INC.
> Office of the Director for Military Affairs
> http://www.atheists.org
> http://www.atheists.org/mil
> http://www.americanatheist.org
>
> American Atheists called on the Naval Academy to reestablish all
> midshipmen's civil rights by following the lead of the other U.S.
> service academies and immediately stop this divisive practice that
> negatively impacts troop morale and fleet readiness.

Wait until there's a world crisis and they think they're about to get nuked
at any moment. They won't stay atheists very long....


The other Donald

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"Byker" <byker@do~rag.net> wrote in message
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Typical fundy bullshit.


Carl Kaufmann

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Yeah, they'll all become devout Hindus. :-P

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Mark K. Bilbo

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Sep 1, 2003, 11:40:59 PM9/1/03
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Bullshit and fuck you.

Actually, the *truth of the matter is there are no *christians in foxholes.

Every time a christian ducks in fear of flying bullets, he proves he
doesn't believe the "god" myth...

--
Mark K. Bilbo

johac

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In article <yIT4b.5339$tw6....@newsread4.news.pas.earthlink.net>,
"Byker" <byker@do~rag.net> wrote:

Shows how much you know. There are many atheists in foxholes. I
remember that during the 1962 Cuban Missle crisis, I was living in New
York, a prime target. If the nukes were ever going to fly, it was
then. Did I think of a god once? No. I was just hoping that JFK and
Khrushchev could find us a way out of the mess before they blew up the
whole world.
--
John Hachmann, aa #1782

Pierre Laplace, when asked by Napoleon on why he made
no mention of a god in his book on astronomy: "Sire,
I have no need of that hypothesis."

exploratory

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Sep 2, 2003, 2:02:06 AM9/2/03
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"Byker" <byker@do~rag.net> wrote in message news:<yIT4b.5339
> Wait until there's a world crisis and they think they're about to get nuked
> at any moment. They won't stay atheists very long....

Byker, spitting on service women and men, fighting for his freedom.

How would you like it if the situation were reversed:
and NOT praying was mandatory on soldiers?

I have INFINITELY more respect for soldiers who bravely report their
documented ufo and extraterrestrial encounters and sightings
than this made-up fantasy "god" shit.
That's because for the latter, I have ZERO respect.

Christopher A. Lee

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Sep 2, 2003, 3:19:12 AM9/2/03
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A perfect example of all-too-typical Christian stupidity, nastiness,
lying and hupocrisy.

Christopher A. Lee

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On Tue, 02 Sep 2003 02:59:42 GMT, "Byker" <byker@do~rag.net> wrote:

A perfect example of all-too-typical Christian stupidity, nastiness,
lying and hypocrisy.

John Baker

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Sep 2, 2003, 8:43:53 AM9/2/03
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"Claude Balls" <llion...@thecircus.tent> wrote in message
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> Excuse me sirs, but bhuddists outnumber christians 10 to 1.

If only that were true. :-) There are over 700 million Catholics alone. When
you factor in all the other flavors of Christianity, there are probably a
billion or more Christians worldwide. Are you telling us that there are 10
billion Bhuddists in the world? <G>

> They do not believe in "God", but rather, the teachings of Bhudda.
> I am not a true aetheist per se, but I am one who does not believe in
> organized religion.
>
>
>


John Baker

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"Byker" <byker@do~rag.net> wrote in message
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Ah, yes, the old "no atheists in foxholes" bullshit yet again. Tell me, are
you really this fucking stupid, or are you just pretending?


>
>


Therion Ware

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Sep 2, 2003, 8:50:31 AM9/2/03
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On Tue, 02 Sep 2003 12:43:53 GMT in alt.atheism, John Baker ("John
Baker" <nu...@bizniz.net>) said, directing the reply to alt.atheism

>
>"Claude Balls" <llion...@thecircus.tent> wrote in message
>news:vl89j3...@corp.supernews.com...
>> Byker wrote:>>
>>
>> > "Larry Mundinger" <look....@signature.org> wrote in message
>> > news:233ffd3943975d34...@news.teranews.com...
>> >>
>> >> AMERICAN ATHEISTS, INC.
>> >> Office of the Director for Military Affairs
>> >> http://www.atheists.org
>> >> http://www.atheists.org/mil
>> >> http://www.americanatheist.org
>> >>
>> >> American Atheists called on the Naval Academy to reestablish all
>> >> midshipmen's civil rights by following the lead of the other U.S.
>> >> service academies and immediately stop this divisive practice that
>> >> negatively impacts troop morale and fleet readiness.
>>
>> > Wait until there's a world crisis and they think they're about to get
>> > nuked at any moment. They won't stay atheists very long....
>>
>> Excuse me sirs, but bhuddists outnumber christians 10 to 1.
>
>If only that were true. :-) There are over 700 million Catholics alone. When
>you factor in all the other flavors of Christianity, there are probably a
>billion or more Christians worldwide. Are you telling us that there are 10
>billion Bhuddists in the world? <G>

But recall that most American Protestant Christians don't think Roman
Catholics are Christians, so subtract a billion from the Christian
total. Then add the number of reincarnations each Buddhist has had, so
multiply by, what, - say 100.

Yep. Works for me.

>> They do not believe in "God", but rather, the teachings of Bhudda.
>> I am not a true aetheist per se, but I am one who does not believe in
>> organized religion.
>>
>>
>>
>

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Byker

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> In article <yIT4b.5339$tw6....@newsread4.news.pas.earthlink.net>,
> "Byker" <byker@do~rag.net> wrote:
>
> > "Larry Mundinger" <look....@signature.org> wrote in message
> > news:233ffd3943975d34...@news.teranews.com...
> > >
> > > AMERICAN ATHEISTS, INC.
> > > Office of the Director for Military Affairs
> > > http://www.atheists.org
> > > http://www.atheists.org/mil
> > > http://www.americanatheist.org
> > >
> > > American Atheists called on the Naval Academy to reestablish all
> > > midshipmen's civil rights by following the lead of the other U.S.
> > > service academies and immediately stop this divisive practice that
> > > negatively impacts troop morale and fleet readiness.
> >
> > Wait until there's a world crisis and they think they're about to get
nuked
> > at any moment. They won't stay atheists very long....
> >
>
> Shows how much you know. There are many atheists in foxholes. I
> remember that during the 1962 Cuban Missle crisis, I was living in New
> York, a prime target. If the nukes were ever going to fly, it was
> then. Did I think of a god once? No.

I was at Andersen AFB, Guam, when Nixon pulled his worldwide alert during
the 1973 Arab/Israeli Yom Kippur war. For all we knew World War III was
about to begin, and it was interesting to see people who'd never mentioned
God, save for an expletive, suddenly making peace with their maker...


Douglas Berry

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Sep 2, 2003, 11:28:43 AM9/2/03
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On Tue, 02 Sep 2003 02:59:42 GMT, several witnesses claim to have seen
"Byker" <byker@do~rag.net> scrawl a message on the wall:


>Wait until there's a world crisis and they think they're about to get nuked
>at any moment. They won't stay atheists very long....

Funny, I came through combat just fine and still an atheist.

--

Douglas Berry grid...@mindspring.com
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Ezekiel 13:20 "Wherefore thus saith the
Lord GOD; Behold, I am against your pillows"

Douglas Berry

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On Tue, 02 Sep 2003 13:11:07 GMT, several witnesses claim to have seen

"Byker" <byker@do~rag.net> scrawl a message on the wall:

>> Shows how much you know. There are many atheists in foxholes. I
>> remember that during the 1962 Cuban Missle crisis, I was living in New
>> York, a prime target. If the nukes were ever going to fly, it was
>> then. Did I think of a god once? No.
>
>I was at Andersen AFB, Guam, when Nixon pulled his worldwide alert during
>the 1973 Arab/Israeli Yom Kippur war. For all we knew World War III was
>about to begin, and it was interesting to see people who'd never mentioned
>God, save for an expletive, suddenly making peace with their maker...

So? How many of them dropped it right after the stand down?

Douglas Berry

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On Tue, 02 Sep 2003 12:45:22 GMT, several witnesses claim to have seen
"John Baker" <nu...@bizniz.net> scrawl a message on the wall:

>Ah, yes, the old "no atheists in foxholes" bullshit yet again. Tell me, are
>you really this fucking stupid, or are you just pretending?

He's that stupid. He's also been haging around the military groups
whining about how awful the Army was to him.

Duke of URL

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"Mark K. Bilbo" <iskan...@hoo.com> wrote in message
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> On Tue, 02 Sep 2003 02:59:42 +0000, Byker wrote:
>> "Larry Mundinger" <look....@signature.org> wrote in message
>> news:233ffd3943975d34...@news.teranews.com...
>>>
>>> AMERICAN ATHEISTS, INC.
>>> Office of the Director for Military Affairs
http://www.atheists.org
>>> http://www.atheists.org/mil
>>> http://www.americanatheist.org
>>>
>>> American Atheists called on the Naval Academy to reestablish all
>>> midshipmen's civil rights by following the lead of the other U.S.
>>> service academies and immediately stop this divisive practice that
>>> negatively impacts troop morale and fleet readiness.
>>
>> Wait until there's a world crisis and they think they're about to
get
>> nuked at any moment. They won't stay atheists very long....
>
> Bullshit and fuck you.
>
Ah, the sheer charm and overflowing courtesy of the atheist once again
demonstrates itself.

> Actually, the *truth of the matter is there are no *christians in
foxholes.
>

Odd. I served with many, many of them.

> Every time a christian ducks in fear of flying bullets, he proves he
> doesn't believe the "god" myth...

No, you simply don't understand. A believer (whatever flavor) doesn't
expect his Deity to be constantly hovering about, keeping him from
stubbing his toe or burning himself - People are expected to use
common sense. It's not the 14th Century any longer - people know
better than to look for "guardian angels".


Duke of URL

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"John Baker" <nu...@bizniz.net> wrote in message
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It's a Troll, John - the tipoff is that he can't spell Buddha or
Buddhist.


Duke of URL

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"exploratory" <explo...@comcast.net> wrote in message
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That's nice. But haven't the Voices From Out There told you to be more
polite? Next time the little green men take you up to their
mothership, ask them what church they go to.


Mark Stahl

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"Byker" <byker@do~rag.net> wrote in message
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you mean they called their moms?


Harry Leopold

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On Tue, 2 Sep 2003 10:30:40 -0500, Douglas Berry wrote
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> From: Douglas Berry <grid...@mindspring.com>
> Newsgroups: alt.military, us.military.army, us.military.navy, alt.atheism
>
> On Tue, 02 Sep 2003 13:11:07 GMT, several witnesses claim to have seen
> "Byker" <byker@do~rag.net> scrawl a message on the wall:
>
>
>>> Shows how much you know. There are many atheists in foxholes. I
>>> remember that during the 1962 Cuban Missle crisis, I was living in New
>>> York, a prime target. If the nukes were ever going to fly, it was
>>> then. Did I think of a god once? No.
>>
>> I was at Andersen AFB, Guam, when Nixon pulled his worldwide alert during
>> the 1973 Arab/Israeli Yom Kippur war. For all we knew World War III was
>> about to begin, and it was interesting to see people who'd never mentioned
>> God, save for an expletive, suddenly making peace with their maker...
>
> So? How many of them dropped it right after the stand down?

My ship was sent to the Indian Ocean during the above mentioned hoo-rah,
strangely I never noticed any of my fellow Navy shipmates "turning to god" in
large numbers. The same guys that went to mass on Sundays went as before, but
the rest of us did our usual, we bitched about the food, the weather, and the
officers. The only thing that was a bit different was we also bitched about
not getting mail from home for a couple of months. That tends to rile up we
old Navy boys. Thank Groo that the Wichita finally caught up with us with the
mail, though it was far too late for that Carrot Cake mom had made for me,
may it rest in pieces. ;-)

I fed it to the fish.

--
Harry F. Leopold
aa #2076
AA/Vet #4
The Prints of Darkness

"The space time you are trying to reach has been disconnected..." Stony

Harry Leopold

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On Tue, 2 Sep 2003 10:31:45 -0500, Douglas Berry wrote
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> From: Douglas Berry <grid...@mindspring.com>
> Newsgroups: alt.military, us.military.army, us.military.navy, alt.atheism
>

> On Tue, 02 Sep 2003 12:45:22 GMT, several witnesses claim to have seen
> "John Baker" <nu...@bizniz.net> scrawl a message on the wall:
>
>> Ah, yes, the old "no atheists in foxholes" bullshit yet again. Tell me, are
>> you really this fucking stupid, or are you just pretending?
>
> He's that stupid. He's also been haging around the military groups
> whining about how awful the Army was to him.

Ah, the poor baby. The Army was nasty to him?

Shit, who isn't the Army nasty with? Isn't that their job, to toughen up the
recruits? Of course we had it easier in the Navy.


--
Harry F. Leopold
aa #2076
AA/Vet #4
The Prints of Darkness

"God hates figs."

Byker

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"Douglas Berry" <grid...@mindspring.com> wrote in message
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> On Tue, 02 Sep 2003 02:59:42 GMT, several witnesses claim to have seen
> "Byker" <byker@do~rag.net> scrawl a message on the wall:
>
>
> >Wait until there's a world crisis and they think they're about to get
> > nuked at any moment. They won't stay atheists very long....
>
> Funny, I came through combat just fine and still an atheist.

For now. Give it time...


Byker

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"Douglas Berry" <grid...@mindspring.com> wrote in message
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> On Tue, 02 Sep 2003 12:45:22 GMT, several witnesses claim to have seen
> "John Baker" <nu...@bizniz.net> scrawl a message on the wall:
>
> >Ah, yes, the old "no atheists in foxholes" bullshit yet again. Tell me,
are
> >you really this fucking stupid, or are you just pretending?
>
> He's that stupid. He's also been haging around the military groups
> whining about how awful the Army was to him.

USAF, remember..


Byker

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"Harry Leopold" <hleo...@cox.net> wrote in message
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> Shit, who isn't the Army nasty with? Isn't that their job, to toughen up
> the recruits? Of course we had it easier in the Navy.

With Adm. Elmo Zumwalt running things, I'd imagine you did.

We had it easiest of all in the USAF. It sure as hell beat being drafted,
which is why most of us enlisted in the first place. We saw no sense in
throwing our lives away for nothing in some gook's rice paddy....


Duke of URL

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"Mark Stahl" <st...@aecom.yu.edu> wrote in message
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> "Byker" <byker@do~rag.net> wrote in message

>> I was at Andersen AFB, Guam, when Nixon pulled his worldwide alert


>> during the 1973 Arab/Israeli Yom Kippur war. For all we knew World
>> War III was about to begin, and it was interesting to see people
>> who'd never mentioned God, save for an expletive, suddenly making
>> peace with their maker...
>
> you mean they called their moms?

You joke, but I was stationed in Japan at the time (Negishi Heights).
I did call my mother, just in case it was going to be the last time
I'd get to speak to her. My hometown is central between Omaha (SAC
HQ), Colorado Springs and a couple of other Primary Targets.


Mekkala

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On 02 Sep 2003, "Byker" <byker@do~rag.net> screwed up his face, groaned,
pushed hard, and farted out the following message in news:QI35b.5836
$tw6....@newsread4.news.pas.earthlink.net:

Well I tell you what. When all us evil communist atheists discover the
heinous error of our wicked ways, you'll be the first to know.

--
Mekkala, Atheist #2148
"When did I realize I was God? Well, I was praying and I suddenly
realized I was talking to myself!"
--Peter O'Toole.

John Hattan

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Sep 2, 2003, 3:00:11 PM9/2/03
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"Byker" <byker@do~rag.net> wrote:

Time for what? I know people in their 80's and 90's who've served in the
milatary. They remained atheists the entire time, and they're atheists
today.

---
John Hattan Grand High UberPope - First Church of Shatnerology
jo...@thecodezone.com http://www.shatnerology.com

Newsgroup Poster

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>
>
> Wait until there's a world crisis and they think they're about to get nuked
> at any moment. They won't stay atheists very long....

LOL -- are you kidding, that seems the final proof for the
non-existence of a caring, all-powerful anthromorphic God!

John Hattan

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ng_p...@yahoo.com (Newsgroup Poster) wrote:

"We're all going to be dead in five minutes. GOD IS SOOOO GOOD!!!"

navyr...@yahoospam.com

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"johac" <jha...@remove.ixpres.com> wrote in message
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> In article <yIT4b.5339$tw6....@newsread4.news.pas.earthlink.net>,
> "Byker" <byker@do~rag.net> wrote:
>
> > "Larry Mundinger" <look....@signature.org> wrote in message
> > news:233ffd3943975d34...@news.teranews.com...
> > >
> > > AMERICAN ATHEISTS, INC.
> > > Office of the Director for Military Affairs
> > > http://www.atheists.org
> > > http://www.atheists.org/mil
> > > http://www.americanatheist.org
> > >
> > > American Atheists called on the Naval Academy to reestablish all
> > > midshipmen's civil rights by following the lead of the other U.S.
> > > service academies and immediately stop this divisive practice that
> > > negatively impacts troop morale and fleet readiness.
> >
> > Wait until there's a world crisis and they think they're about to get
nuked
> > at any moment. They won't stay atheists very long....
> >
> >
>
> Shows how much you know. There are many atheists in foxholes. I
> remember that during the 1962 Cuban Missle crisis, I was living in New
> York, a prime target. If the nukes were ever going to fly, it was
> then. Did I think of a god once? No. I was just hoping that JFK and
> Khrushchev could find us a way out of the mess before they blew up the
> whole world.
While I have no doubt that there may be atheists in foxholes I wonder how
you can equate being in New York during the Cuban Missle Crisis equating to
what life is like in a foxhole?


Elf M. Sternberg

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Sep 2, 2003, 5:30:29 PM9/2/03
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"Byker" <byker@do~rag.net> writes:

Man, Christer dishonesty never gives up, does it? You make claims and
then, when they get blown up, you shift the goalposts or make threats.
Offer us something new and substantial.

Elf

MarkA

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Sep 2, 2003, 5:56:03 PM9/2/03
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It sure is convenient how people's expectations of their diety can change
so that whatever situation you are in, the diety is not going to meddle in
such affairs, and you are expected to use "common sense".
--
MarkA
(still caught in the maze of twisty little passages, all different)

Douglas Berry

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On Tue, 02 Sep 2003 17:59:41 GMT, several witnesses claim to have seen
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And you still couldn't hack it. Amazing. My contact with the USAF
was calling in air support and jumping out of C-130s and -141s, but
from what I saw, it was barely military much of the time.

Douglas Berry

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On Tue, 02 Sep 2003 16:39:12 GMT, several witnesses claim to have seen

"Byker" <byker@do~rag.net> scrawl a message on the wall:

>"Douglas Berry" <grid...@mindspring.com> wrote in message
>news:2ld9lvgu8s2hqjnlj...@4ax.com...

>> Funny, I came through combat just fine and still an atheist.


>
>For now. Give it time...

I also lived through cancer.. still an atheist. 9/11? Lost a friend,
still an antheist. Hell, I died on the table and am still an atheist.

Christopher A. Lee

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On Tue, 2 Sep 2003 10:35:35 -0500, "Duke of URL"
<macbenahATkdsiDOTnet> wrote:

>"Mark K. Bilbo" <iskan...@hoo.com> wrote in message
>news:pan.2003.09.02....@eac.org
>> On Tue, 02 Sep 2003 02:59:42 +0000, Byker wrote:
>>> "Larry Mundinger" <look....@signature.org> wrote in message
>>> news:233ffd3943975d34...@news.teranews.com...
>>>>
>>>> AMERICAN ATHEISTS, INC.
>>>> Office of the Director for Military Affairs
>http://www.atheists.org
>>>> http://www.atheists.org/mil
>>>> http://www.americanatheist.org
>>>>
>>>> American Atheists called on the Naval Academy to reestablish all
>>>> midshipmen's civil rights by following the lead of the other U.S.
>>>> service academies and immediately stop this divisive practice that
>>>> negatively impacts troop morale and fleet readiness.
>>>
>>> Wait until there's a world crisis and they think they're about to
>get
>>> nuked at any moment. They won't stay atheists very long....
>>
>> Bullshit and fuck you.
>>
>Ah, the sheer charm and overflowing courtesy of the atheist once again
>demonstrates itself.

The whining hypocrite repeats one of the theist's nastiest lies about
atheist, to atheists and complains when he is treated as deserved.

Christopher A. Lee

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On Tue, 02 Sep 2003 13:11:07 GMT, "Byker" <byker@do~rag.net> wrote:

>I was at Andersen AFB, Guam, when Nixon pulled his worldwide alert during
>the 1973 Arab/Israeli Yom Kippur war. For all we knew World War III was
>about to begin, and it was interesting to see people who'd never mentioned
>God, save for an expletive, suddenly making peace with their maker...

What maker?

You guys just don't it, do you?

You would already have to be some kind of believer.

It would no more occur to an atheist to suddenly start believing in
your pretend friend, than a Christian would suddenly pray to the Hindu
deities.

My late father was in the RAF and flew Lancasters over Germany during
WW2. He went in atheist and came out the same. The horrors they faced
made many believers lose their faith. They were too busy trying to
survive, and the last thing they wanted was for one of the crew to put
the others in jeopardy.

Kosmo Threadbane

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"Duke of URL" <macbenahATkdsiDOTnet> wrote:
>
>No, you simply don't understand. A believer (whatever flavor) doesn't
>expect his Deity to be constantly hovering about,

Why not? This mono-god of yours is supposed to be everywhere, all the time,
in every spatial dimension. Or is it not quite so powerful as all that?
It's the sort of thing frequently claimed for your god, at least. I'll
bet your god would be Johnny-on-the-spot to guide in a mortar, if the
guy just happened to be worrying about dying without ever getting laid
(out of wedlock, of course).

Mark K. Bilbo

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On Tue, 02 Sep 2003 10:35:35 -0500, Duke of URL wrote:

> "Mark K. Bilbo" <iskan...@hoo.com> wrote in message
> news:pan.2003.09.02....@eac.org
>> On Tue, 02 Sep 2003 02:59:42 +0000, Byker wrote:
>>> "Larry Mundinger" <look....@signature.org> wrote in message
>>> news:233ffd3943975d34...@news.teranews.com...
>>>>
>>>> AMERICAN ATHEISTS, INC.
>>>> Office of the Director for Military Affairs
> http://www.atheists.org
>>>> http://www.atheists.org/mil
>>>> http://www.americanatheist.org
>>>>
>>>> American Atheists called on the Naval Academy to reestablish all
>>>> midshipmen's civil rights by following the lead of the other U.S.
>>>> service academies and immediately stop this divisive practice that
>>>> negatively impacts troop morale and fleet readiness.
>>>
>>> Wait until there's a world crisis and they think they're about to
> get
>>> nuked at any moment. They won't stay atheists very long....
>>
>> Bullshit and fuck you.
>>
> Ah, the sheer charm and overflowing courtesy of the atheist once again
> demonstrates itself.

Ah, an idiot troll who can't figure out that when you INSULT people with
denigrating stereotypes, they snarl at you.

>> Actually, the *truth of the matter is there are no *christians in
> foxholes.
>>
> Odd. I served with many, many of them.
>
>> Every time a christian ducks in fear of flying bullets, he proves he
>> doesn't believe the "god" myth...
>
> No, you simply don't understand. A believer (whatever flavor) doesn't
> expect his Deity to be constantly hovering about, keeping him from
> stubbing his toe or burning himself - People are expected to use common
> sense. It's not the 14th Century any longer - people know better than to
> look for "guardian angels".

Irrelevant. The "next life" is SAID to be superior to this one and we hear
constantly that "god is in charge" and about "god's will."

Where does the fear of death come from? Shouldn't the atheists be *IN* the
foxholes while the christians are the ones showing no fear nor concern and
be *OUT* of the foxholes?

Or don't they believe what they preach?

--
Mark K. Bilbo

Byker

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"Douglas Berry" <grid...@mindspring.com> wrote in message
news:qb4alvckl64u0fpao...@4ax.com...

> On Tue, 02 Sep 2003 17:59:41 GMT, several witnesses claim to have seen
> "Byker" <byker@do~rag.net> scrawl a message on the wall:
>
> >"Harry Leopold" <hleo...@cox.net> wrote in message
> >news:0001HW.BB7A2DB1...@news.central.cox.net...
> >
> >> Shit, who isn't the Army nasty with? Isn't that their job, to toughen
up
> >> the recruits? Of course we had it easier in the Navy.
> >
> >With Adm. Elmo Zumwalt running things, I'd imagine you did.
> >
> >We had it easiest of all in the USAF. It sure as hell beat being
drafted,
> >which is why most of us enlisted in the first place. We saw no sense in
> >throwing our lives away for nothing in some gook's rice paddy....
>
> And you still couldn't hack it.

I wasn't planning on doing it for twenty years, that's for sure.

> Amazing. My contact with the USAF
> was calling in air support and jumping out of C-130s and -141s, but
> from what I saw, it was barely military much of the time.

After I finished tech school, I never marched another step. For the rest of
my enlistment I was in a grand total of TWO formations, both open-ranks
inspections. That's it ;-)


jaybeatty

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"Byker" <byker@do~rag.net> wrote in message
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Damn! Lucky you.


Douglas Berry

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On Tue, 02 Sep 2003 23:18:01 GMT, several witnesses claim to have seen

"Byker" <byker@do~rag.net> scrawl a message on the wall:

>> And you still couldn't hack it.


>
>I wasn't planning on doing it for twenty years, that's for sure.
>
>> Amazing. My contact with the USAF
>> was calling in air support and jumping out of C-130s and -141s, but
>> from what I saw, it was barely military much of the time.
>
>After I finished tech school, I never marched another step. For the rest of
>my enlistment I was in a grand total of TWO formations, both open-ranks
>inspections. That's it ;-)

Amazing. Glad I was in a military organization then.

John A. Mason

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> > Wait until there's a world crisis and they think they're about to get
nuked
> > at any moment. They won't stay atheists very long....
> >
> >
>
> Yeah, they'll all become devout Hindus. :-P
>
> --

Being a devout Hindu beats being a devout Christian.
John


D Wolf

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On Tue, 02 Sep 2003 02:59:42 GMT, "Byker" <byker@do~rag.net> wrote:

>"Larry Mundinger" <look....@signature.org> wrote in message
>news:233ffd3943975d34...@news.teranews.com...
>>
>> AMERICAN ATHEISTS, INC.
>> Office of the Director for Military Affairs
>> http://www.atheists.org
>> http://www.atheists.org/mil
>> http://www.americanatheist.org
>>
>> American Atheists called on the Naval Academy to reestablish all
>> midshipmen's civil rights by following the lead of the other U.S.
>> service academies and immediately stop this divisive practice that
>> negatively impacts troop morale and fleet readiness.
>

>Wait until there's a world crisis and they think they're about to get nuked
>at any moment. They won't stay atheists very long..


Not that old wheeze again?

John Baker

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"Duke of URL" <macbenahATkdsiDOTnet> wrote in message
news:vl9eafr...@corp.supernews.com...
> "John Baker" <nu...@bizniz.net> wrote in message
> news:dg05b.27054$l41.7...@twister.neo.rr.com
> > "Claude Balls" <llion...@thecircus.tent> wrote in message
> > news:vl89j3...@corp.supernews.com...

> >> Byker wrote:>>
> >>
> >> > "Larry Mundinger" <look....@signature.org> wrote in message
> >> > news:233ffd3943975d34...@news.teranews.com...
> >> >>
> >> >> AMERICAN ATHEISTS, INC.
> >> >> Office of the Director for Military Affairs
> >> >> http://www.atheists.org
> >> >> http://www.atheists.org/mil
> >> >> http://www.americanatheist.org
> >> >>
> >> >> American Atheists called on the Naval Academy to reestablish
> all
> >> >> midshipmen's civil rights by following the lead of the other
> U.S.
> >> >> service academies and immediately stop this divisive practice
> >> that >> negatively impacts troop morale and fleet readiness.
> >>
> >> > Wait until there's a world crisis and they think they're about
> to
> >> get > nuked at any moment. They won't stay atheists very long....
> >>
> >> Excuse me sirs, but bhuddists outnumber christians 10 to 1.
> >
> > If only that were true. :-) There are over 700 million Catholics
> > alone. When you factor in all the other flavors of Christianity,
> > there are probably a billion or more Christians worldwide. Are you
> > telling us that there are 10 billion Bhuddists in the world? <G>
> >
> >> They do not believe in "God", but rather, the teachings of Bhudda.
> >> I am not a true aetheist per se, but I am one who does not believe
> in
> >> organized religion.
>
> It's a Troll, John - the tipoff is that he can't spell Buddha or
> Buddhist.

Sort of figured it might be. I'm a bit embarrassed that I mimicked his
misspelling without even thinking about it, though. I guess there's
something to be said for proofreading. :-)


>
>


Mark K. Bilbo

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Sep 2, 2003, 8:57:36 PM9/2/03
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Maybe their god thing doesn't *care and they know it...

--
Mark K. Bilbo

Mark K. Bilbo

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Sep 2, 2003, 8:58:48 PM9/2/03
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On Tue, 02 Sep 2003 10:35:35 -0500, Duke of URL wrote:

> "Mark K. Bilbo" <iskan...@hoo.com> wrote in message
> news:pan.2003.09.02....@eac.org

>> On Tue, 02 Sep 2003 02:59:42 +0000, Byker wrote:
>>> "Larry Mundinger" <look....@signature.org> wrote in message
>>> news:233ffd3943975d34...@news.teranews.com...
>>>>
>>>> AMERICAN ATHEISTS, INC.
>>>> Office of the Director for Military Affairs
> http://www.atheists.org
>>>> http://www.atheists.org/mil
>>>> http://www.americanatheist.org
>>>>
>>>> American Atheists called on the Naval Academy to reestablish all
>>>> midshipmen's civil rights by following the lead of the other U.S.
>>>> service academies and immediately stop this divisive practice that
>>>> negatively impacts troop morale and fleet readiness.
>>>
>>> Wait until there's a world crisis and they think they're about to
> get
>>> nuked at any moment. They won't stay atheists very long....
>>

>> Bullshit and fuck you.
>>
> Ah, the sheer charm and overflowing courtesy of the atheist once again
> demonstrates itself.

Yeah, I bet you're fun at parties. Like when there's maybe just one
African-American guy around and you make insulting jokes about fried
chicken and watermelon.

Then when the guy calls you an asshole, you say "those people have no
sense of humor!"

--
Mark K. Bilbo

John Baker

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"John A. Mason" <jam...@negia.net> wrote in message
news:10625452...@alpha.negia.net...
And I've never once had a Hindu come knocking on my door at 7:00 AM on my
day off, refusing to go away 'till I get up and answer the door. <G>


>


dummie

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"Byker" <byker@do~rag.net> wrote in message news:<yIT4b.5339$tw6....@newsread4.news.pas.earthlink.net>...

> "Larry Mundinger" <look....@signature.org> wrote in message
> news:233ffd3943975d34...@news.teranews.com...
> >
> > AMERICAN ATHEISTS, INC.
> > Office of the Director for Military Affairs
> > http://www.atheists.org
> > http://www.atheists.org/mil
> > http://www.americanatheist.org
> >
> > American Atheists called on the Naval Academy to reestablish all
> > midshipmen's civil rights by following the lead of the other U.S.
> > service academies and immediately stop this divisive practice that
> > negatively impacts troop morale and fleet readiness.
>
> Wait until there's a world crisis and they think they're about to get nuked
> at any moment. They won't stay atheists very long....

Wait until there's a world crisis and we get nuked. They won't see
many miracles happen and won't stay theist for very long...

(BoNuS parody of what he's thinking-Free of charge)

Just thinking ahead pal, its no use for you to get riled and screech
about certainties, but its funny when you do.

Darwin help us!

------------
-mike#1375
BAAWA Knight!
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Tank Fixer

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In article <77U4b.32448$uh6.460@lakeread05>, cwkau...@netscape.net
says...

> Byker wrote:
> > "Larry Mundinger" <look....@signature.org> wrote in message
> > news:233ffd3943975d34...@news.teranews.com...
> >
> >>AMERICAN ATHEISTS, INC.
> >>Office of the Director for Military Affairs
> >>http://www.atheists.org
> >>http://www.atheists.org/mil
> >>http://www.americanatheist.org
> >>
> >>American Atheists called on the Naval Academy to reestablish all
> >>midshipmen's civil rights by following the lead of the other U.S.
> >>service academies and immediately stop this divisive practice that
> >>negatively impacts troop morale and fleet readiness.
> >
> >
> > Wait until there's a world crisis and they think they're about to get nuked
> > at any moment. They won't stay atheists very long....
> >
> >
>
> Yeah, they'll all become devout Hindus. :-P
>


Where's the bbeef ??


--
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johac

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In article <Mm75b.22682$Om1....@newsread2.news.atl.earthlink.net>,
"St...@NOSPAM.com" <navyr...@yahooSPAM.com> wrote:

No, it's not quite the same. However, that is the only time in my life
that I felt threatened by an outside attack, and that includes 9/11.
One American Navy commander, or one Soviet sub captain with an itchy
trigger finger, and the missles would be launched. New York would have
certainly been a target, and where could I have gone that would have
been safer? If it came to an all out nuclear war, would I even want to
survive anyway? It's not the same but the fear of possible imminent
destruction was also quite real. Fortunately, human common sense
(without any sign of divine intervention) prevailed.
--
John Hachmann, aa #1782

Pierre Laplace, when asked by Napoleon on why he made
no mention of a god in his book on astronomy: "Sire,
I have no need of that hypothesis."

Mark K. Bilbo

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Sep 3, 2003, 2:40:40 AM9/3/03
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Yup.

Hey, if there's a world crisis and people think they're going to be nuked
at any moment, shouldn't all the christians be calm and relaxed about it?

I mean, only the *atheists would think being nuked is the end of life...
--
Mark K. Bilbo

Mark K. Bilbo

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Sep 3, 2003, 2:43:59 AM9/3/03
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Well, true. It's worse.

In a "foxhole" there's a chance you can duck a bullet headed for you. If a
nuke is headed for you, there is *nowhere to run...

--
Mark K. Bilbo

Mark K. Bilbo

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On Tue, 02 Sep 2003 13:11:07 +0000, Byker wrote:

> "johac" <jha...@remove.ixpres.com> wrote in message
> news:jhachm-5D43DB....@central.giganews.com...
>
>> In article <yIT4b.5339$tw6....@newsread4.news.pas.earthlink.net>,
>> "Byker" <byker@do~rag.net> wrote:
>>
>> > "Larry Mundinger" <look....@signature.org> wrote in message
>> > news:233ffd3943975d34...@news.teranews.com...
>> > >
>> > > AMERICAN ATHEISTS, INC.
>> > > Office of the Director for Military Affairs http://www.atheists.org
>> > > http://www.atheists.org/mil
>> > > http://www.americanatheist.org
>> > >
>> > > American Atheists called on the Naval Academy to reestablish all
>> > > midshipmen's civil rights by following the lead of the other U.S.
>> > > service academies and immediately stop this divisive practice that
>> > > negatively impacts troop morale and fleet readiness.
>> >
>> > Wait until there's a world crisis and they think they're about to get
> nuked
>> > at any moment. They won't stay atheists very long....
>> >
>> >
>> Shows how much you know. There are many atheists in foxholes. I remember
>> that during the 1962 Cuban Missle crisis, I was living in New York, a
>> prime target. If the nukes were ever going to fly, it was then. Did I
>> think of a god once? No.
>

> I was at Andersen AFB, Guam, when Nixon pulled his worldwide alert during
> the 1973 Arab/Israeli Yom Kippur war. For all we knew World War III was
> about to begin, and it was interesting to see people who'd never mentioned
> God, save for an expletive, suddenly making peace with their maker...

Obviously they were theists.

Shrug.

--
Mark K. Bilbo

Abner Mintz

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Sep 3, 2003, 7:38:32 AM9/3/03
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Duke of URL <macbenahATkdsiDOTnet> wrote:
> Ah, the sheer charm and overflowing courtesy of the atheist once again
> demonstrates itself.

Well, the original claim (that there are no atheists in foxholes)
is like waving a red flag in front of a bull. If someone
posted 'there are no hardworking black people' to a newsgroup
full of black people, 'there are no generous jews' to a
newsgroup full of jews, 'there are no sensible women' to
a newsgroup full of women, etc. do you really think they'd
get a better response?

Frankly, I think most of the responses to the original
bigotry were quite restrained.

Just to try to bring this on-topic to the various newsgroups
... In a discussion I had a while back with an ex-military
Christian, he explained to me that atheists were hated by
military men even more than gays, and that they were even
worse for unit cohesion, so he felt that they should be
banned from the armed forces (not just don't ask, don't
tell, but actively hunted out). Is this sort of attitude
common among the military, or was he unusual in your
experience?

Christopher A. Lee

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Sep 3, 2003, 7:50:31 AM9/3/03
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On Wed, 03 Sep 2003 11:38:32 GMT, abner...@earthlink.net (Abner
Mintz) wrote:

>Just to try to bring this on-topic to the various newsgroups
> ... In a discussion I had a while back with an ex-military
> Christian, he explained to me that atheists were hated by
> military men even more than gays, and that they were even
> worse for unit cohesion, so he felt that they should be
> banned from the armed forces (not just don't ask, don't
> tell, but actively hunted out). Is this sort of attitude
> common among the military, or was he unusual in your
> experience?

I'm guessing that religion is part of team-building and getting
everybody into the same mould. A lot of sports teams do it, and a
player who won't join in doesn't last because he's not part of the
team.

Dr. DuFonet

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"Byker" <byker@do~rag.net> wrote in message
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> "Larry Mundinger" <look....@signature.org> wrote in message
> news:233ffd3943975d34...@news.teranews.com...
> >
> > AMERICAN ATHEISTS, INC.
> > Office of the Director for Military Affairs
> > http://www.atheists.org
> > http://www.atheists.org/mil
> > http://www.americanatheist.org
> >
> > American Atheists called on the Naval Academy to reestablish all
> > midshipmen's civil rights by following the lead of the other U.S.
> > service academies and immediately stop this divisive practice that
> > negatively impacts troop morale and fleet readiness.
>
> Wait until there's a world crisis and they think they're about to get
nuked
> at any moment. They won't stay atheists very long....
>
How many world crises will that take? How long has it been since there was
no such crisis?

--
:"Everythin's better with DoFunny on it."

Brian E. Clark

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Sep 3, 2003, 1:08:13 PM9/3/03
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"Duke of URL" <macbenahATkdsiDOTnet> <"Duke of URL"
<macbenahATkdsiDOTnet>> wrote:

> Ah, the sheer charm and overflowing courtesy of the atheist once again
> demonstrates itself.

The inflammatory "no atheists in foxholes" evokes no condemnation from
you, but the justifiably angry response to it does?

Worse, you treat this reaction to outright bigotry as indicative of
atheist behavior in general?

That's a good trick you've learned, Duke: twisting reality to conform to
your predispositions. I wonder where you learned to do that?

--
-----------
Brian E. Clark

Doug O'Neal

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Sep 3, 2003, 9:43:17 PM9/3/03
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Abner Mintz wrote:

> Just to try to bring this on-topic to the various newsgroups
> ... In a discussion I had a while back with an ex-military
> Christian, he explained to me that atheists were hated by
> military men even more than gays, and that they were even
> worse for unit cohesion, so he felt that they should be
> banned from the armed forces (not just don't ask, don't
> tell, but actively hunted out). Is this sort of attitude
> common among the military, or was he unusual in your
> experience?

Not too long ago, it was considered bad for unit cohesion to have white
and black soldiers together.

Can a place in the military be considered a public office? The
Constitution explicitly says that there shall be no religious tests for
public office. Even if it can't be so considered, that doesn't make it
right to discriminate on the basis of religion or lack thereof.

As for gays, the ancient Greeks thought that a little lovin' of your
fellow man made you a *better* comrade and soldier.

Doug

Thomas

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Sep 4, 2003, 5:51:49 AM9/4/03
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Doug O'Neal <tycho...@alltel.net> wrote in message news:<3F5698B5...@alltel.net>...

Ah yes. If I recall my classics correctly, the ancient greeks*
encouraged soldiers sleeping with someone from their phalanx
on the grounds that young men would mostly rather fight to the
death than have their lovers see them flee like gutless chickens.

nifty/nasty piece of applied psycology.

*Well. Sparta was particularily known for this.

John Baker

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"--" <--@--.---> wrote in message
news:e58flvcei8gkr8tgn...@4ax.com...
> I usually answer the door in my underwear, carrying a loaded .44 Mag with
an 8.5" barrel. They leave real quick, and
> never ever come back.

I've never tried that, but I can vouch for the fact that answering the door
with an 8 foot python draped around your neck works well. <G>


>
> >
> >
> >>
> >
>


David Formosa (aka ? the Platypus)

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Sep 9, 2003, 8:48:32 AM9/9/03
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On Tue, 02 Sep 2003 02:59:42 GMT, Byker <byker@do~rag.net> wrote:

[...]

> Wait until there's a world crisis and they think they're about to get nuked
> at any moment. They won't stay atheists very long....

I know that meany christions and other people with religious
backgrounds gain a greate deal of confort from there beleafs. And I
know that they gain support from the fellow members of there religious
communities. To some of you it must be inconsivable that people can
live threw a crisis without that confort or support.

However some people religion doesn't produce that type of confort,
they find non-relious copeing stratagies for such crisies and go on to
live lives just as productive. Please don't just assume that because
your faith has helped you threw crisies that this feature is universal.

--
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http://dformosa.zeta.org.au/~dformosa/Spelling.html to find out more.
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