Broken checkgroups for us.*
Peter J Ross
between newsgroup names and their descriptions instead of tabs.
See Message-ID: <cmsg-20090401070403$18...@vulture.killfile.org> (in
control.checkgroups).
INN (at least in version 2.5.0-rc1) removes whitespace from newsgroup
names, and the result in this case is that the whole line is treated
as a name, with the descriptions being added to the last components of
the group names. New "bogus" groups are created, and the "real" groups
are removed.
IIRC, this "feature" in INN has been removed, but we need a new
checkgroups for us.* quite soon please!
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Julien ÉLIE
> The latest checkgroups for us.*, issued on 01 Apr 2009, has spaces
> between newsgroup names and their descriptions instead of tabs.
Yep, the checkgroups should use tabs.
> INN (at least in version 2.5.0-rc1) removes whitespace from newsgroup
> names, and the result in this case is that the whole line is treated
> as a name, with the descriptions being added to the last components of
> the group names. New "bogus" groups are created, and the "real" groups
> are removed.
I do not understand how you see that with INN 2.5.0-rc1.
The name of the group ends with the first whitespace character in
the line.
Each newsgroups line in a checkgroups is split with:
my ($ngname, $ngdesc) = split(/\s+/, $_, 2);
and I have just tested with the us.* checkgroups (fed to controlchan).
The result is fine in the mail I receive:
/home/news/bin/ctlinnd newgroup us.arts y
/home/news/bin/ctlinnd newgroup us.arts.poetry y
/home/news/bin/ctlinnd newgroup us.config y
[...]
> IIRC, this "feature" in INN has been removed
No "feature" has been removed there.
> but we need a new checkgroups for us.* quite soon please!
It would indeed be great.
--
Julien ÉLIE
« Oublie les injures, n'oublie jamais les bienfaits. »
Peter J Ross
ÉLIE <iul...@nom-de-mon-site.com.invalid> wrote:
> Hi Peter,
>
>> The latest checkgroups for us.*, issued on 01 Apr 2009, has spaces
>> between newsgroup names and their descriptions instead of tabs.
>
> Yep, the checkgroups should use tabs.
>
>> INN (at least in version 2.5.0-rc1) removes whitespace from newsgroup
>> names, and the result in this case is that the whole line is treated
>> as a name, with the descriptions being added to the last components of
>> the group names. New "bogus" groups are created, and the "real" groups
>> are removed.
>
> I do not understand how you see that with INN 2.5.0-rc1.
Sorry, I don't see that. I thought the new groups I saw were coming
from news.motzarella.org. In fact they're either coming from elsewhere
or being generated by Leafnode from an unexpected response to
NEWGROUPS.
debian:/home/pjr# leafnode -V
leafnode 2.0.0.alpha20081229a
debian:/home/pjr# grep ^us\.arts /var/spool/leafnode/leaf.node/groupinfo
us.arts y 0 1 1232554890 General discussion of US fine & performing arts.
us.arts.poetry y 476 120 1232554890 US poetry; poets; original poems.
us.arts.poetryUS y 0 1 1238608084 poetry; poets; original poems.
us.artsGeneral y 0 1 1238608084 discussion of US fine & performing arts.
I'll check what's causing this later.
Daryl Hunt
> The latest checkgroups for us.*, issued on 01 Apr 2009, has spaces
> between newsgroup names and their descriptions instead of tabs.
>
> See Message-ID: <cmsg-20090401070403$18...@vulture.killfile.org> (in
> control.checkgroups).
>
> INN (at least in version 2.5.0-rc1) removes whitespace from newsgroup
> names, and the result in this case is that the whole line is treated
> as a name, with the descriptions being added to the last components of
> the group names. New "bogus" groups are created, and the "real" groups
> are removed.
>
> IIRC, this "feature" in INN has been removed, but we need a new
> checkgroups for us.* quite soon please!
>
Just let it die off until the next generation comes along.
No Check Groups required.
Julien ÉLIE
>> we need a new checkgroups for us.* quite soon please!
>
> Just let it die off until the next generation comes along.
>
> No Check Groups required.
A new checkgroups has already been sent!
--
Julien ÉLIE
« Ô temps suspends ton vol ! Et vous heures propices,
Suspendez votre cours. » (Alphonse de Lamartine)
Peter J Ross
<iul...@nom-de-mon-site.com.invalid> wrote:
> Hi Daryl,
>
>>> we need a new checkgroups for us.* quite soon please!
>>
>> Just let it die off until the next generation comes along.
>>
>> No Check Groups required.
>
> A new checkgroups has already been sent!
The new one has far more tabs than are required (as many as five in
some cases), but at least it's an improvement, though the recommended
79-column limit is exceeded in some cases.
Here's how the list *should* look.
us.arts General discussion of US fine & performing arts.
us.arts.poetry US poetry; poets; original poems.
us.config Planning a USA national network news hierarchy.
us.issues National social, economic, environmental issues.
us.issues.abortion Abortion and birth control in the USA.
us.legal Q & A about US law and legal issues.
us.legal.self-represent Representing oneself in legal affairs.
us.military General topics related to the US Military.
us.military.army Life and work in the US Army.
us.military.history History of military forces in the USA.
us.military.national-guard National Guard issues, concerns & information.
us.military.navy Life and work in the US Navy.
us.misc US topics not covered by other newsgroups.
us.org.bicycle-greenways.nbg Building a national bicycle greenways system.
us.politics General discussion of US politics.
us.politics.elections Elections of national interest in the USA.
us.talk.constitution The US Constitution & its impact on our lives.
us.talk.headline-news Discussion of major US-related non-political events.
us.taxes Pros and cons of the US tax system.
us.test Test group for the us.* hierarchy.
Name under 8 columns: use three tabs.
Name 8 to 15 columns: use two tabs.
Name over 15 columns: one tab.
It isn't rocket science.
Daryl Hunt
> Hi Daryl,
>
>>> we need a new checkgroups for us.* quite soon please!
>>
>> Just let it die off until the next generation comes along.
>>
>> No Check Groups required.
>
> A new checkgroups has already been sent!
>
Julien, we both kinda know each other due to our servers. I am
wondering who exactly is the Kingpin for usdotsplat these days. does
one exist? If not, why are you sending out check groups messages?
Julien ÉLIE
I am not the one who sent that checkgroups.
When I said that "a new checkgroups has already been sent", I meant
that I saw one in control.checkgroups.
--
Julien �LIE
� H�te-toi de bien vivre et songe que chaque jour
est � lui seul une vie. � (S�n�que)
Peter J Ross
Hunt <dh...@i70westnospam.com> wrote:
> Julien ÉLIE wrote:
>> Hi Daryl,
>>
>>>> we need a new checkgroups for us.* quite soon please!
>>>
>>> Just let it die off until the next generation comes along.
>>>
>>> No Check Groups required.
>>
>> A new checkgroups has already been sent!
>>
>
> Julien, we both kinda know each other due to our servers. I am
> wondering who exactly is the Kingpin for usdotsplat these days. does
> one exist?
There's a committee, whose membersi, last time I checked, were
Tim Skirvin, Control
Geoff Berrow
RTO Trainer
redc1c4
Dave Ratcliffe
edward ohare, Committee Spokesman
See Message-ID: <p29jc49bj21and1i8...@4ax.com>.
> If not, why are you sending out check groups messages?
He isn't.
--
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Daryl Hunt
> Hi Daryl,
>
>>>>> we need a new checkgroups for us.* quite soon please!
>>>>
>>>> Just let it die off until the next generation comes along.
>>>>
>>>> No Check Groups required.
>>>
>>> A new checkgroups has already been sent!
>>
>> Julien, we both kinda know each other due to our servers. I am
>> wondering who exactly is the Kingpin for usdotsplat these days. does
>> one exist? If not, why are you sending out check groups messages?
>
> I am not the one who sent that checkgroups.
> When I said that "a new checkgroups has already been sent", I meant
> that I saw one in control.checkgroups.
>
Are you aware that the "Committee" has absolutely NO support other than
themselves?
In fact, they are the ones primarily of bringing it to the chaos it's
in. Actually, with none of them posting it's not nearly as chaotic.
The bulk of the "Committee" tried to sneak a Control Message before when
HKT was in charge that pretty well left them in complete control of
us.military.army and would have allowed them to "Legalize" their
actions. HKT stopped that in it's tracks. What was left is the milk
toast Charter you see today.
The proposed charter would have placed the "Committee" in charge of
policing the NG by any and all methods. Actually, they were already
doing that policing by some pretty nasty methods. If anyone took a
disagreement with them, they would contact outside agencies including
flooding the person they wanted to get rid of with "Group Mission"
postings, contacting their providers with a barrage of Socks complaining
and even contacting some of the peoples Commanders.
Until they learned I ran a NNTP server, I got some of the funniest
complaints from these characters. How they could twist facts,
misrepresent truths and use so many Socks is just astounding. I found
it entertaining to read these. Of course, I was the very first person
that actually stood up to them and they didn't care for that one bit.
Sort of like standing up to a rabid animal. Or in this case, a pack of
wild rabid animals that did the same routines for so long they actually
thought that it was proper for them to do so. Of course, it wasn't
sporting to return the favor.
Yes, I did go after a few of their accounts after that and did contact
at least one of their Commanders and did get results. Afterall, they
made the rules themselves. Sort of like a person popping off a couple
of clips of ammo at another person and then calling foul when that
person shoots back. Yes, they did call foul. Too bad.
The one person I went after through the Military (I am retired AF) was
using faked names to access an area that he was banned from. In order
to do this, he was using Military Equipment and accounts. I just had
them stop him from doing this. But, the last time I checked, his
actions were a felony in the Military. I didn't want it pushed quite
that far as it would have been another black mark on the REAL Heroes we
have out there.
This act of wanton disregard for the accepted behavior caused complete
and utter chaos. This includes the treatment of HKT as well. HKT and I
would never quite see eye to eye on many things but the open calling
her a "Cunt", "Bitch" (among other names) was totally uncalled for. I
didn't like the way that HKT ran things but moved away from the
"Committee" as they would be much worse off than the existing
management. I didn't have to agree with HKT at all but the hell that
these characters were trying to do was totally unacceptable.
The so called "Committee" was disbanded by it's own admission. Of
course, they did publicly announce all they had to do is wait for HKT to
die.
Geoff Berrow
RTO Trainer
redc1c4
edward ohare
This is just a partial list of the folks that are still attempting to
gain access. You can allow them to on your server but I don't choose to
on mine. And there are others of us out here that won't pay any
attention to anything these fine upstanding folks are trying to do at
all. As it stands, I am just as capable of producing a Check Message as
any of them are and it should be honored the same way. Totally ignored.
How about just let it die completely off and let the next generation
have a go at it without these bad influences.
Daryl Hunt
USAF Retired
I70West Admin
Peter J Ross
Hunt <dh...@i70westnospam.com> wrote:
> Are you aware that the "Committee" has absolutely NO support other than
> themselves?
Wrong. For example, I think that, despite some questionable decisions
and the temporary technical mistakes that prompted this thread,
they're doing an adequate job of keeping the hierarchy alive. They
have *some* support from me, especially when I see them being traduced
on the basis of mere anecdotes about them.
<...>
> The so called "Committee" was disbanded by it's own admission.
Either they were disbanded or they have no support. Which is it? I
don't see how both statements can be true.
Daryl Hunt
> In news.admin.hierarchies on Sat, 18 Jul 2009 21:02:49 -0600, Daryl
> Hunt <dh...@i70westnospam.com> wrote:
>
>> Are you aware that the "Committee" has absolutely NO support other than
>> themselves?
>
> Wrong. For example, I think that, despite some questionable decisions
> and the temporary technical mistakes that prompted this thread,
> they're doing an adequate job of keeping the hierarchy alive. They
> have *some* support from me, especially when I see them being traduced
> on the basis of mere anecdotes about them.
Actually, they are doing nothing of import. The Hierarchy lives on on
it's own. Your support means even less than mine does and that's not
very much.
Those "Temporary" technical mistakes was made with the "Honorable"
timmay at the helm. Tells me loads.
It's dead and just living on it's own. Let it do this for awhile until
another group of new bloods comes along without all the blood on their
hands.
>
> <...>
>
>> The so called "Committee" was disbanded by it's own admission.
>
> Either they were disbanded or they have no support. Which is it? I
> don't see how both statements can be true.
That's easy. Under HKT, they disbanded. And they have no support.
Your support is pretty well meaningless in the grand scheme. Others
support is important and I doubt seriously they will ever get that.