end-zone fouls: goal or goal-line?

[Peter]

I know this has been discussed here:
http://groups.google.ca/group/UPA_11th_edition_rules/browse_thread/thread/a4d6767796d196e/ca842a76898880c0?hl=en&lnk=gst&q=foul+end-zone#ca842a76898880c0
http://groups.google.ca/group/UPA_11th_edition_rules/browse_thread/thread/ce919d3a4f19dc84/f10d4935746ef820?hl=en&lnk=gst&q=foul+end-zone#f10d4935746ef820

... but can someone please confirm that I am understanding the rules
correctly?

In short:
- If the foul is contested it goes back to the thrower.
- If the foul is uncontested and the receiver had uncontested
possession at the time of the foul then it is a goal.
- If the foul is uncontested and the receiver's possession of the disc
is contested then the disc is carried to the goal line and checked in.
- If the foul is uncontested and the receiver did not have possession
of the disc then the disc is carried to the goal line and checked in.

Thanks,
-Peter

[Alex Peters]

The disc is checked in *at the spot of the foul* not the goal line.
(X.C.) The disc then becomes live at that point, and everyone on the
field can move, then you carry the disc to the goal line. And don't
forget to tap the disc to the ground at the goal line (XIII.B.).

[Mark -Mortakai- Moran]

Except for Alex's correction (check in at spot of foul, then carry to
line, rather than check in at line), you're right in all 4 cases.

On Aug 19, 6:47 pm, Peter <pe...@aoeu.ca> wrote:
> I know this has been discussed here:http://groups.google.ca/group/UPA_11th_edition_rules/browse_thread/th...http://groups.google.ca/group/UPA_11th_edition_rules/browse_thread/th...

[Jackson]

Was it ever resolved if you can stall the player while they bring it
back to the goal line?

On Aug 20, 10:54 am, Mark -Mortakai- Moran <just_morta...@hotmail.com>
wrote:

> Except for Alex's correction (check in at spot of foul, then carry to
> line, rather than check in at line), you're right in all 4 cases.
>
> On Aug 19, 6:47 pm, Peter <pe...@aoeu.ca> wrote:
>

> > I know this has been discussed here:http://groups.google.ca/group/UPA_11th_edition_rules/browse_thread/th......

[Mark -Mortakai- Moran]

Not sure how the last conversation went, but the rules allow it if
you're within 3m of the spot on the line where they'll be putting the
disc into play. That's explicit in the definition of the marker.

So if it's checked in way at the back of the end zone, presumably any
defensive player at the end zone line spot could start the count, but
if the 'marker' is moving back to the line with the thrower, they
couldn't start their count until within 3m of the line.

Whether that's the wish or intent, however, will be clearer as we move
through 11.1 discussions.

M

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[colinmcintyre]

All of this is assuming that the situation does not qualify as
"directly after a turnover."

"XIV.A.2 . . . However, directly after a turnover or when putting the
pull into play the stall may not be initiated before a pivot is
established . . ."

I think the stronger argument is against the marker being allowed to
stall. And I think it's a ot stronger. Turnover just occurred,
fouled player gains possession at the spot, no play has occurred since
the turnover. At minimum the issue has not been resolved. In the
meantime, I think the reasonable way to play it is not to stall. A
few of my reasons:

1) That's what the rules tell you to do, by the most reasonable
interpretation.
2) That's what is consistent with other analogous situations.
3) That's what is fair, based on the uncontested foul.
4) That's what doesn't arbitrarily create a defensive advantage based
on the location of an uncontested foul.
5) There's no compelling justification for stalling.

-Colin