FormatDistData() question

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Thomas McLaren

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Oct 22, 2025, 1:24:25 PM (8 days ago) Oct 22
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Hi,
I'm working with a point count data set that is organized as row-per-detection.  I'm using the FormatDistData() function to organize the detections for analysis.  In addition to distance, the data set also has a column for "count", to record multiple individuals detected together. Rows mostly have a count of 1 but occasionally the value is higher to represent flocks of birds etc.
Is there a way to incorporate the values in the "count" column into my call to FormatDistData()?
Thanks!
-Tom

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Jeffrey Royle

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Oct 23, 2025, 6:48:50 PM (7 days ago) Oct 23
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hi Tom, 
 I'm afraid formatDistData does not accommodate that situation. But more importantly, the models in unmarked DO NOT accommodate non-independent detections so you should be careful with that.
 Having group detections is complicated because you might have to model group-size dependent detection and _also_ imperfect counting of group size so more complex models are needed. There are some Bayesian analysis papers out there on that (including in the AHM1 book, chapter 9).  Also of course Program Distance should handle these situations.
regards
andy


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