FW: Unitech Meeting
Jatinder
From: Jatinder [mailto:j...@airtelmail.in]
Sent: 15/10/2011 9:40 PM
To: 'unitec...@googlegroups.com'
Subject: Unitech Meeting
Gentlemen,
I went for the meeting with Unitech today, but was surprised to see that there were only three of us there; Mr Jatin Aggarwal, Mr Prem Swarup’s son and I. I had definitely presumed that there would be more of us there but this looked like a representation without representatives. It was also evident from the glee on Mr Chaturvedi’s face who was watching us from the balcony above that he had expected quite a few dissenters .
We first met Mr Sinha regarding the penalty clause, who expressed his inability to do anything on the matter except what was in the agreement.
Mr Chaturvedi also seemed to have forgotten what he had told us last time and said as much which was not surprising.
In the context of the above we did not expect anything much but nonetheless drove down to the Verve Site (courtesy Jatin), with Mr Chaturvedi in his own car and a couple of people holding flats in Cascades.
In all honesty we expected a practically deserted or contrived appearance at the site, but this was not so. The entrance gates, the boundary walls and metal grills, the considerable work already done on the landscaping, quite well developed grass lawns and even some Palm trees did show good intention. Though there was not much of a labor force present, it was evident that quite a bit of work had been done since my last visit 4 months ago. Tower 5 & 6 have been plastered outside, and parts of the external paint on them had been done. Mandatory fire protection systems had been set up in the flats we saw on the ground floor. The 100% power backup DG set was already placed in location, the club house was coming up at a fast lick. Jatin inspected the electrical wiring and ancilliaries in the company of the Unitech chief supervisor and found them quite satisfactory. The Greater Noida project manager of Unitech, Mr Sinha was available at the site and informed that he had been shifted there to expedite the completion of Verve as that was the only project considerably lagging behind in the area.
Mr Chaturvedi promises delivery of Tower 5 & 6 by March end 2012, and his project manager promises it a month earlier. The other 4 towers or so would be ready by end next year as informed to us.
I would now like to suggest others to go and visit the site if possible, preferably do it without prior information to Unitech, and then for us to decide on the future course of action.
Regards
Jatinder Jaggi
From: unitec...@googlegroups.com [mailto:unitec...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Jatin Agarwal
Sent: 15/10/2011 5:18 AM
To: unitec...@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Letter to Unitech
Hello All,
Are we meeting today ? . Please let me know if someone is coming from gurgaon.
Kind Regards
Jatin Agrawal
On Wed, Oct 12, 2011 at 11:33 PM, Jatin Agarwal <jatin....@gmail.com> wrote:
Hello All ,
I had re-confirmed with Mr .chaturvedi today for our meeting on 15th oct. Meeting is ok with him .We will have discussion with Mr. Chaturvedi and Mr.Sinha first and then we will move on to see the unitech verve site.
As far as way forward is concerned , I am for taking on the legal course . Atleast I will feel that I have given a fair try.We are only fooling ourselves by listening to the fake promises of unitech representatives.
As per my discussion with Mr.Kshitiz there is no need for taking a lawyer with you. The case will be filled because of one-sided termas & conditions of the builder buyer agreement and for non-fulfillment of the terms laid down in the Agreement.
Please come one and Please come all for the fun filled saturday
Listen to the fake promises of Unitech
See the dummy workers working on Unitech verve sight
Be part of sight seeing tour of unitech verve well guided by Mr . Chaturvedi and accopanied with fake promises
Be a part of this real event
Kind Regards
Jatin Agrawal
On Wed, Oct 12, 2011 at 4:18 PM, Narinder Aggarwal <aggar...@gmail.com> wrote:
Had brief word with Mr. Chaturvedi today, he says slow work on site which means to me status quo. He could not give any assurance on when work will commence full swing to meet March deadline but only that things will become clearer end October. Does this relate to project specific decision or general legal complexities that unitech is involved in I do not know.
The group members meeting on 15th perhaps can get a better feedback.
For me it means choosing between sweating it out or a legal recourse I.e. a choice between the devil and the deep blue sea. Not a pretty site when you are starting a devil in the face. Whatever the group decides will go with it.
Regards
On Oct 12, 2011 8:09 AM, "Jatinder" <j...@airtelmail.in> wrote:
Hello folks
Sorry for having been out of touch as I was away.
Hi Jatin, Please confirm that we are meeting on 15th October at UNITECH office where we met previously and at what time?
Regards
J M Jaggi
From: unitec...@googlegroups.com [mailto:unitec...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Bill Baladi
Sent: Tuesday, October 11, 2011 7:48 PM
To: Unitech Group
Subject: RE: Letter to Unitech
Good morning folks,
Are we still planning to meet Unitech reps? I have not heard of any agenda or points of discussion for meeting that is suppose to be held on Oct. 15th.
Hope there is still a plan to ahead.
Thanks
Inder
> Date: Tue, 4 Oct 2011 06:59:11 -0700
> Subject: Re: Letter to Unitech
> From: som...@gmail.com
> To: unitec...@googlegroups.com
>
> I agree. Preferably, we should be a critical mass of representatives
> from our side for meeting with Sinha. Otherwise, It is highly likely
> that Sinha may call some of his people in the meting and that will
> outnumber the single rep we send. We need to have some weight on our
> side too.
>
> Alternatively, why can't Sinha join the same meeting that we are
> having with Harsh. If the meetings are separate, they will keep
> refrerring to other guy (like last time) and try to buy time.
>
> Regards
> Somnath Sarkar
>
> On Oct 4, 7:02 pm, Narinder Aggarwal <aggarwa...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > Unitech is imposing erroneous conditions for the meeting. When all members
> > have given payments and have valid bookings with them why are they afraid to
> > meet the group as a whole and here we are only talking of a few (single
> > digit) civilised representatives. Or is there an ulterior motive to this, to
> > create deliberate apprehension between members. We should not give in to
> > this, at least three representatives should go in discussion with Mr. Sinha.
> > That should be the absolute minimum.
> > Actually they are not doing us any favours, but we are by listening to them
> > and all in good faith.
> > Regards
> > Mohan
> > On Oct 4, 2011 8:51 AM, "V Prem Swarup" <vpswa...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> >
> >
> > > Dear Jatin
> >
> > > I request you to take the lead in meeting with Mr Sinha . In my view ,
> > > minutes should be drawn up & signed as Unitech can no longer be
> > > trusted to stand on their oral commitments . We must know view of
> > > Unitech on increase in penalty for delay in handing over the flats .
> >
> > > One may see some other gentleman meeting you next time with new
> > > commitments .
> >
> > > Regards
> >
> > > On Tue, Oct 4, 2011 at 12:44 PM, Jatin Agarwal <jatin.agra...@gmail.com
> > >wrote:
> >
> > >> Hello All,
> >
> > >> I have talked with Mr. Harsh and he has agreed for 15 th oct meeting
> > >> at time 10:30 am.
> > >> I had a word with Mr. Sinha as well and he has also agreed to meet but
> > >> he said that he will not meet with the whole group but only a single
> > >> person. May be one of us can meet him.
> >
> > >> Request you all to make plans for 15th oct meeting.
> >
> > >> On 10/3/11, Trups n Josh <trupsnj...@mailme.ae> wrote:
> > >> > Dear All..We are fine with this. It would be difficult for us to be in
> > >> India
> > >> > for October 15th meeting but would surely like to join via tele
> > >> conference
> > >> > for the meeting amongst group members.
> >
> > >> > Regards,
> > >> > Josh/Trupti
> > >> > ----------------------------------------
> > >> > Email: trupsnj...@mailme.ae
> >
> > >> > -----Original Message-----
> > >> > From: unitec...@googlegroups.com [mailto:
> > >> unitec...@googlegroups.com]
> > >> > On Behalf Of Praveen
> > >> > Sent: 01 October 2011 05:44 PM
> > >> > To: unitech_verve
> > >> > Subject: Re: Letter to Unitech
> >
> > >> > am comfortable with this... my only suggestion is to leave increased
> > >> > penalty... say Rs 15 as a open option on 15th oct... cnt be there in
> > >> > person but ny support to everyone
> >
> > >> > On Sep 28, 12:57 pm, V Prem Swarup <vpswa...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > >> >> I request to all to give their consent for sending the letter to
> > >> > Unitech
> > >> >> . Corrections can be made before sending.
> >
> > >> >> I also request Mr Jatin to send it on our behalf after corrections
> >
> > >> >> Regards
> >
> > >> >> On Tue, Sep 27, 2011 at 7:18 AM, V Prem Swarup <vpswa...@gmail.com>
> > >> wrote:
> >
> > >> >> > I agree with Mr Sarkar . Since we are going to legal route
> > ultimately
> > >> ,
> > >> > we
> > >> >> > must seek opinion of lawyer on what is right process to strengthen
> > >> > our
> > >> >> > case. As suggested , we should submit a individual letter asking for
> > >> >> > increase in rate of interest and refund with interest etc and
> > >> >> > contents of the letter .
> >
> > >> >> > *Can Jatin take the initiative* ?
> >
> > >> >> > Regards
> >
> > >> >> > On Mon, Sep 26, 2011 at 9:38 PM, Somnath Sarkar
> > >> > <som2...@gmail.com>wrote:
> >
> > >> >> >> I do agree with most of us that we should stick to 15th Oct
> > meeting,
> > >> >> >> so as to give an impression to Unitech that we are firm on our
> > dates.
> > >> >> >> Couple of other points that comes to my mind. Let us have views on
> > >> >> >> this -
> >
> > >> >> >> 1. Do we have confirmation from Unitech regarding the 15th meeting
> > >> and
> > >> >> >> who all are attending from their side?
> > >> >> >> 2. Do we need to prepare any letter to Unitech with our demands?
> > This
> > >> >> >> letter should be given to them either during the meeting or later.
> > >> Any
> > >> >> >> such letter should have the registered owners name/ signature &
> > flat
> > >> >> >> numbers. If, we agree on this we need to start praparing a draft
> > for
> > >> >> >> this. Getting signatures from oversees friends/ outside Delhi using
> > a
> > >> >> >> scan copy may take a bit of time.
> > >> >> >> 3. These correspondences will help when we go for any legal action.
> >
> > >> >> >> Regards
> > >> >> >> Somnath Sarkar
> >
> > >> >> >> On Sep 26, 6:19 pm, Narinder Aggarwal <aggarwa...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > >> >> >> > I agree that 15th meeting not be postponed as participation or
> > not
> > >> of
> > >> >> >> one
> > >> >> >> > person would not make any difference.
> > >> >> >> > While taking legal opinion please clarify what documents or
> > >> >> >> authorisation
> > >> >> >> > will be required from those living abroad for legal action either
> > >> for
> > >> >> >> single
> > >> >> >> > or joint ownership. In case of joint ownership can one person
> > take
> > >> >> >> action or
> > >> >> >> > both must take action jointly at the same time.
> > >> >> >> > Regards.
> > >> >> >> > On Sep 26, 2011 7:58 AM, "Jatinder Jaggi" <j...@airtelmail.in>
> > >> > wrote:>
> > >> >> >> Agree in toto on the 15th October meeting and to decide subsequent
> > >> > course
> > >> >> >> > > of action
> >
> > >> >> >> > > Regards
> >
> > >> >> >> > > J M Jaggi
> >
> > >> >> >> > > From: unitec...@googlegroups.com [mailto:
> >
> > >> >> >> > unitec...@googlegroups.com]
> >
> > >> >> >> > > On Behalf Of V Prem Swarup
> > >> >> >> > > Sent: 26/09/2011 8:04 AM
> > >> >> >> > > To: unitec...@googlegroups.com
> > >> >> >> > > Subject: Re: Next meeting on 15th Oct with Unitech
> >
> > >> >> >> > > Dear Jatin
> >
> > >> >> >> > > I agree with Sandeep .Let us not give opportunity to Unitech by
> > >> >> >> delaying
> > >> >> >> > > the date of meeting fruther . We would make the agenda and send
> > >> it
> > >> > to
> > >> >> >> > > them for discussion .
> >
> > >> >> >> > > The main point would be increase in penalty for delay beyond
> > the
> > >> >> >> contrcat
> > >> >> >> > > rate from Rs 5/- to Rs 18% per annum . Visit to site is going
> > to
> > >> be
> > >> >> >> > > incidental . Just an event of putting 200 workers by Unitech on
> > >> > 15th
> > >> >> >> oct
> > >> >> >> > > does not gurantee timely delivery .
> >
> > >> >> >> > > We would minutes to be recorded for discussion . Head finance
> > >> > should
> > >> >> >> > > also be there in meeting.
> >
> > >> >> >> > > In case , no agreement is reached , we take the next step of
> > >> filing
> > >> >> >> > > the legal case . Till then let us do our home work with legal
> > >> > experts
> > >> >> >> > > assuming that Unitech is not going to agree so easily.
> >
> > >> >> >> > > Prem Swarup
> >
> > >> >> >> > > On Sun, Sep 25, 2011 at 9:49 PM, Sandeep Verma <
> > >> >> >> vermasandee...@gmail.com>
> > >> >> >> > > wrote:
> >
> > >> >> >> > > Dear Jatin,
> >
> > >> >> >> > > With all due respect to Mr Agarwal, I don't think we should
> > >> > postpone
> > >> >> >> the
> > >> >> >> > > 15th oct meeting.Most of us are not from Delhi and are
> > >> > professionals
> > >> >> >> for
> > >> >> >> > > whom its difficult to keep changing the plans of coming to
> > delhi.
> >
> > >> >> >> > > Moreover it will always be difficult to find a time and date
> > >> > suitable
> > >> >> >> to
> > >> >> >> > > 100% of the members. I suggest that for the 15th meeting if
> > some
> > >> of
> > >> > us
> > >> >> >> > > can't make it in person , we send a representative. This is not
> > >> > just
> > >> >> >> for
> > >> >> >> > the
> > >> >> >> > > Unitech meeting but more so that we can meet in person to
> > decide
> > >> > and
> > >> >> >> > > discuss the legal strategy.
> >
> > >> >> >> > > If it's completely impossible for someone to either come or
> > send
> > >> > their
> > >> >> >> > > representative then they can join through telecon in the
> > meeting
> > >> we
> > >> >> >> have
> > >> >> >> > > after the Unitech meeting..
> >
> > >> >> >> > > It's impractical to plan out the logistics of a legal battle
> > >> > without
> > >> >> >> > meeting
> > >> >> >> > > at least once in person and the sooner the better.
> >
> > >> >> >> > > Cheers,
> >
> > >> >> >> > > Sandeep
> >
> > >> >> >> > > Sent from my iPad
> >
> > >> >> >> > > On Sep 25, 2011, at 9:29 PM, Jatin Agarwal
> > >> > <jatin.agra...@gmail.com>
> > >> >> >> > wrote:
> >
> > >> >> >> > > Hi All,
> >
> > >> >> >> > > As Mr.Narinder is a very active member of our group and he
> > cannot
> > >> > make
> > >> >> >> it
> > >> >> >> > on
> > >> >> >> > > 15th ,I feel it will be better if we shift the date of meeting
> > to
> > >> > last
> > >> >> >> > > saturday of October. Please let me know so that I can arrange
> > the
> > >> >> >> meeting
> > >> >> >> > > accordingly.
> >
> > >> >> >> > > Personally, I have no trust in the fake assurances given by
> > >> unitech
> > >> >> >> and
> > >> >> >> > even
> > >> >> >> > > if 100 people are working on site on last week of october there
> > >> is
> > >> > no
> > >> >> >> > > guarantee that we will get our flats by march. There can be
> > >> further
> > >> >> >> > problems
> > >> >> >> > > and delays and moreover I do not feel that unitech will agree
> > for
> > >> a
> > >> >> >> higher
> > >> >> >> > > penalty rate just based on a discussion.
> >
> > >> >> >> > > According to me,we should not waste our time and should start
> > the
> > >> >> >> process
> > >> >> >> > of
> > >> >> >> > > filing a legal case .We have been made to agree on many one
> > sided
> > >> >> >> points
> > >> >> >> > in
> > >> >> >> > > the agreement and the case is for repealing those points and to
> > >> see
> > >> >> >> that
> > >> >> >> > the
> > >> >> >> > > builder and buyer pay the same penalty when there are
> > violations
> > >> on
> > >> >> >> their
> > >> >> >> > > side.
> >
> > >> >> >> > > We are not loosing anything by filing a legal case .Spending Rs
> > >> > 50000
> > >> >> >> more
> > >> >> >> > > will not make a big dent when we have already spent so much
> >
> > >> >> >> > > In parllel we can follow up with unitech and keep on listening
> > to
> > >> >> >> their
> > >> >> >> > > false promises.
> >
> > >> >> >> > > Kind Regards
> >
> > >> >> >> > > Jatin
> >
> > >> >> >> > > On Sun, Sep 25, 2011 at 5:49 PM, Narinder Aggarwal <
> > >> >> >> aggarwa...@gmail.com>
> > >> >> >> > > wrote:
> >
> > >> >> >> > > Hi All,
> >
> > >> >> >> > > Agree with all previous said but personally can't make it for
> > >> 15th.
> >
> > >> >> >> > > In my view we should forward the Agenda in advance for the
> > >> meeting
> > >> > and
> > >> >> >> > > request for presence of Finance Head and/or others relevant to
> > >> the
> > >> >> >> > > discussion.
> >
> > ...
> >
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Ravi Marwah
join the group but looks like they were not contacted, and in last few
weeks, i got no mails so i thought everyone accepted the situation and
stopped fighting the battle. Good i was wrong though!
did u clicked some photos of the apartment. Please post them and also
please update on the surrounding places to the vicinity. is there any
major change you felt like some new development around the place,
which can boost our hopes.
i was hearing metro reaching Greater Noida by 2012. is that a scoop or
reality?
btw My contact no. is changed to 09972830460. Please update in the
owners spreadsheet which we are maintaining.
Thanks,
Ravi Marwah
>
> Hello All ,
>
> I had re-confirmed with Mr .chaturvedi today for our meeting on 15th oct.
> Meeting is ok with him .We will have discussion with Mr. Chaturvedi and
> Mr.Sinha first and then we will move on to see the unitech verve site.
>
> As far as way forward is concerned , I am for taking on the legal course .
> Atleast I will feel that I have given a fair try.We are only fooling
> ourselves by listening to the fake promises of unitech representatives.
>
> As per my discussion with Mr.Kshitiz there is no need for taking a lawyer
> with you. The case will be filled because of one-sided termas & conditions
> of the builder buyer agreement and for non-fulfillment of the terms laid
> down in the Agreement.
>
> Please come one and Please come all for the fun filled saturday
>
> Listen to the fake promises of Unitech
>
> See the dummy workers working on Unitech verve sight
>
> Be part of sight seeing tour of unitech verve well guided by Mr . Chaturvedi
> and accopanied with fake promises
>
> Be a part of this real event
>
> Kind Regards
>
> Jatin Agrawal
>
Somnath Sarkar
My brother-in-law visited the site 2 days back and he did see some
developments to the whole complex as compared to what he saw 3 months
back. A good amount of work has been done over the last few weeks, but
he failed to see too many workers working there. The workers present
were mostly labourers cleaning the debris and a few of them moving
around without any work. On asking, he was told that labours are off
due to Dussehra/ Diwali. Even the response from the reception office
at the site was lackluster without much knowledge on what's going on.
Seems Unitech has done some work after we started following up as a
group. We are not sure however whether it is a short burst to make us
feel happy or they are seriously considering handing over few towers
by March next year.
As such it proves that we have to continue our battle either by
following up with them continuously with a subsequent meeting or
threatening them legally. Suggestion will be to start charting our
next step.
Regarding other developments in G Noida, I was told that there is a
slowness in general but the other nearby buildings are coming up much
faster. Also other developnents like Metro, Formula-1, the big Wipro
complex in front of us which is already functional are all promising
in general.
Thanks for all efforts.
Somnath Sarkar
(852) 69052299
Narinder Aggarwal
I am going back to common floor platform as it is coming up on google
searches quite high and there is better chance that other investors in
Unitech Verve will join and expand the community.
It was good to get feedback from 15th October meeting and I do not think
that things should rest there. As 6 months down the line we may be still no
further.
With this in mind I am planning to be visit Unitech site in mid-November but
the dates will be quite specific due to travel arrangements from UK. Either
13th Sunday or 14th Monday. It will be good to see how things are
progressing and whether there is change in labour force numbers on the site.
I would appreciate if other members wish to join in going to the site even
if we meet up on Sunday somewhere common. I will be staying in Gurgaon but
am willing to travel.
Await your response and any feedback will be helpful on what can be asked or
achieved at that meeting..
Regards
Mohan